[ANN] BitMixList.org - Bitcoin Mixer List [Unofficial Thread]

[hugeblack]

I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.

[examplens]

I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.

It seems to me that in order to clarify (at least temporarily) they should simply be marked as non-working.

I agree. There are no scam accusations or opportunities for scams here because both sites are offline. Looking at their past reputation and reliability, they don't need to be removed. The information that they are offline is quite enough.

I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.

I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.

[NotATether]

I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.

It seems to me that in order to clarify (at least temporarily) they should simply be marked as non-working.

I agree. There are no scam accusations or opportunities for scams here because both sites are offline. Looking at their past reputation and reliability, they don't need to be removed. The information that they are offline is quite enough.

I am not sure about this. We have not heard from either representative and currently do not even know if they will even come back.

I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.

I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.

This is becoming a bit of a non-issue as the sites with referral links happen to be the ones who are/have shut down. The Jambler family of mixers don't have direct affiliate programs.

[dkbit98]

I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.

So what? 
There is no rule anywhere that is not allowing me to add million ref links on my own website, so this is really silly coming from you.
It's not like you are going to get infected with malware if you click something that is using ref links, and he needs to maintain payments for server, hosting, etc.
And you can even add any ref links directly in forum signature, so they are technically in forum.

[hugeblack]

I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.

I did not suggest removing them, but putting an option for ref links if you want to support the service.

So what? 
There is no rule anywhere that is not allowing me to add million ref links on my own website, so this is really silly coming from you.

I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.

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I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.

You are right about this. But that's how it is in the affiliate business, those links that can bring profit to the blog owner are always highlighted first. It is logical to expect some kind of reward for the effort or at least possibly cover the costs.
Given that arriving directly or via a referral link does not change anything for the visitor, I do not see a particular problem with that.

For example, Bestchange is designed exclusively for this way of profit, and only services that have an affiliate/partner program can be included in their monitoring. It is their only source of income. (No sponsors, ads or anything similar)

[NotATether]

I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.

The site has to be financially sustaining somehow, as the servers aren't going to pay for themselves.

Besides, before, the sites used to be in an alphabetical order. All of the sites on the website are indeed privacy services.

I actually think that adding two kinds of links would be more a burden than a benefit. If you don;t like the referral link then just remove it from the URL.

[dkbit98]

I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.

Have you ever donated to this service, since you value privacy so much? 
I don't think so, but you are big on words and criticism, and you clearly have no idea what it takes to operate any website that was attacked by multiple DDOS attacks...
Blaming someone with statement that ref links are not allowed in forum feels like someone is trying to snitch to admin for something that is clearly allowed
This reminds me a lot on something that happened in bitcointalk forum not long ago...

[SamReomo]

I actually think that adding two kinds of links would be more a burden than a benefit. If you don;t like the referral link then just remove it from the URL.

Yes, adding two different links might be burdensome but you could have a disclaimer about the links are referral links. However, that's not needed but if added then I think it won't impact the site in anyway.

[hugeblack]

I do not see a particular problem with that.

I actually think that adding two kinds of links would be more a burden than a benefit. If you don;t like the referral link then just remove it from the URL.

Ok, since you both don't see a problem, I think I overreacted.

I don't think so, but you are big on words and criticism, and you clearly have no idea what it takes to operate any website that was attacked by multiple DDOS attacks...
Blaming someone with statement that ref links are not allowed in forum feels like someone is trying to snitch to admin for something that is clearly allowed
This reminds me a lot on something that happened in bitcointalk forum not long ago...

@dkbit98 Is this your usual way of responding to others, we have

Please READ before commenting anything about this subject.

There is no rule anywhere that is not allowing me to add million ref links on my own website, so this is really silly coming from you.

I don't think so, but you are big on words and criticism, and you clearly have no idea what it takes to operate any website that was attacked by multiple DDOS attacks...

I didn't notice this until you mentioned what happened in the forum, so let me ask you, is that the reason? If it's true then to avoid drama I think it's better to ignore each other, otherwise I'm sorry for thinking about it.

Yes, adding two different links might be burdensome but you could have a disclaimer about the links are referral links. However, that's not needed but if added then I think it won't impact the site in anyway.

+1

[NotATether]

Finally the update has been published.

Some mirrors are not responding to this update so one of these days I will have to remove the dead and/or out-of-date items.

All:

Do you think it would be a good idea to offer a simulation of how a bitcoin mixer would work, on testnet maybe?

It could be useful for people to understand exactly what is happening when people use a mixer.

(of course it will never go on mainnet)

[dkbit98]

Do you think it would be a good idea to offer a simulation of how a bitcoin mixer would work, on testnet maybe?

No, there is nothing complicated about using a mixer, and they are not all working exactly the same way, so simulation is worthless.
There was one testnet mixer before as CM clone (in bitcointalk forum), but they turned into mainnet mixer soon enough, and I think they even created ANN topic here.
I am suspicious about that service and I wouldn't recommend it.

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Do you think it would be a good idea to offer a simulation of how a bitcoin mixer would work, on testnet maybe?

It could be useful for people to understand exactly what is happening when people use a mixer.

(of course it will never go on mainnet)

Honestly, who is involved in assessing the legality of service, I would not be surprised if at some point your educational material is also marked as risky. It's probably better for you not to risk it that way.

Some instructions, animations and an explanation of how everything works is always a good thing, who knows, maybe one day it will help so that mixers are not viewed exclusively as an illegal activity.