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Title: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 12, 2024, 10:07:31 AM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bounceback on April 12, 2024, 12:32:16 PM
For bitcoin transaction congestion we must acceptable unusual activities how high fees transfer when sending bitcoin, its not good for us signature campaign participants will get trouble when receiving payment from campaign and the manager need to pay higher fees with transaction take more longer time.
Usually high transaction or congestion with bitcoin depend on price pump, but bitcoin looks stable and must face how bitcoin transaction fee too high and take more longer time for sending than usually need few minutes for sending.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: tranthidung on April 12, 2024, 12:49:15 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
It's hard to say but there will be upgrades on Bitcoin blockchain. There will be migrations of Ordinals to like Bitcoin layer-2 and even something new in future.

The bottom line is, we must ask ourselves, whether Ordinals are here to stay?

I believe they will not be able to stay here for too long, bear market will kill them.

Only Bitcoin is here to stay but to prepare for non-1- to 2-sat/vbyte time back, you must observe Bitcoin mempools and consider of consolidation when fee rates drop to like 5-6 sat/vbyte like days ago.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Lucius on April 12, 2024, 01:13:30 PM
Never say never, but considering that we are in a period when the number of transactions will probably increase, it is logical to expect that the price of the same will be higher than many expect. I think that we simply need to get used to it, and that for microtransactions we should use LN, and for on-chain transactions we should choose periods when the mempool is empty.

I don't know if the current increase in transaction prices is some kind of "ordinal spam" or something else - but we currently have just under 190 000 unconfirmed transactions, of which even 173 000+ pays 1-42 sats/vB.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Zed0X on April 12, 2024, 01:36:04 PM
I think this loop will continue for as long as Bitcoin is still active and there are BTC to mine. I doubt there will come a time that there will be a consensus to significantly reduce network congestion. The interest of miners and regular users are on the opposite sides.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: NotATether on April 12, 2024, 01:37:51 PM
Wow, I didn't even notice that the bitcoin fees have rocked up so much.

It makes me glad that I have started a Lightning node and got it working.

The only problem I think is that I only have one channel open which does not have a large local balance so it might be hard for me to actually pay for anything.

Nevertheless, there isn't any problem that can't be solved with a LNBTC <=> BTC loan.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Charles-Tim on April 12, 2024, 01:40:08 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?
Was the normal transaction went below 5 sat/vbyte? Before the Ordinance and its BRC20 tokens, the normal fee rate is 1 sat/vbyte. Although, I understood you, it is true that it decreased to like 5 sat/vbyte or so.

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
I am not hoping for this. For frequent transactions, I use lightning network at times, while I also use altcoins at times. The only time I use the normal network is when the fee become lower and I consolidate high inputs.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: NotATether on April 12, 2024, 01:56:27 PM
So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
I am not hoping for this. For frequent transactions, I use lightning network at times, while I also use altcoins at times. The only time I use the normal network is when the fee become lower and I consolidate high inputs.

Very nice that you are using the Lightning Network too. What is your LN wallet? Is it a custodial kind or do you run your own lnd/clightning node?

Altcoins - eh, I'll pass most of them. The acceptence rate of various altcoins in most stores is much lower than even Lightning Network so it makes buying most of them not worth it.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Charles-Tim on April 12, 2024, 02:16:14 PM
Very nice that you are using the Lightning Network too. What is your LN wallet? Is it a custodial kind or do you run your own lnd/clightning node?
I use it just for little amount of money and it is custodial. I use Muun, Wallet of Satoshi and Phoenix. I have tried lightning network on Electrum testnet before but I have not used it on the mainnet. Probably if the fee become cheaper, I may try it. Any coin I do not want to spend are mainly on blockchain and not offchain.

Altcoins - eh, I'll pass most of them. The acceptence rate of various altcoins in most stores is much lower than even Lightning Network so it makes buying most of them not worth it.
You are right. Aside that, altcoins are very volatile.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 12, 2024, 03:37:41 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?
Was the normal transaction went below 5 sat/vbyte? Before the Ordinance and its BRC20 tokens, the normal fee rate is 1 sat/vbyte. Although, I understood you, it is true that it decreased to like 5 sat/vbyte or so.

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
I am not hoping for this. For frequent transactions, I use lightning network at times, while I also use altcoins at times. The only time I use the normal network is when the fee become lower and I consolidate high inputs.

Even 10sat/vb is quite normal considering the number of unconfirmed TX can increase due to the volatile swing but jumping from 5 or 6sat/vb to 200+sat/vb is quite different and make bitcoin to be not used in everyday situation.

Yes, LN allows us to send/recieve funds for very cheap price but we are still having users who are yet to adopt to Segwit address and we have to accept LN is not for everyone unless wallet providers makes it easier for them.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: examplens on April 12, 2024, 04:28:54 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?

No, this is just another warning that Trashdinals should be finally removed/disabled on the Bitcoin blockchain.
Ordinals are an obvious attack on the Bitcoin network, with short-lived entertainment.

Yeah, this looks pretty bad.
(https://bitcoindata.science/api/bitcoinfees.php?&currency=USD&hex=000000) (https://bitcoindata.science/bitcointalk-api.html#bitcoin-fees)
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: rdluffy on April 12, 2024, 04:32:40 PM
I was surprised that today the fees are 124 sat/vB
It seems to have spiked to 200 or more

A few days ago I managed to consolidate a portfolio with 7sat/vB

It should normalize soon, but I don't know the reason for this spike, we'll probably know in a few hours or days who is "congesting" the network
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: jeraldskie11 on April 12, 2024, 04:44:15 PM
The immediate increase of transaction fee is cause by a network congestion. So we need to focus on how we can solve the congestion. This similar problem is trying to be solved by the second largest cryptocurrency which is ETH but it won't work. If ever the time will come that the network congestion is solved, the problem of high fees will never end. When the price of Bitcoin increases, as well as the fee.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 12, 2024, 05:35:54 PM
The immediate increase of transaction fee is cause by a network congestion. So we need to focus on how we can solve the congestion. This similar problem is trying to be solved by the second largest cryptocurrency which is ETH but it won't work. If ever the time will come that the network congestion is solved, the problem of high fees will never end. When the price of Bitcoin increases, as well as the fee.

ETH switched to PoS to deal with this but the Bitcoin network is not really created to manage these token spams and people find ways to do just to exploit Bitcoin's reputation and make millions for them and people believe that these craps will make them rich are the stupidest investors.

As users we don't have any control over this event, we can halt that can decrease the incoming traffic but spammers will not be affected at all so devs should remove the ordinals for the better future of Bitcoin itself.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 12, 2024, 05:44:31 PM
So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?

If you want more people to use Bitcoin you do two things
- you increase the capacity of the blockchain, meaning you offer more space for more demand
- you do nothing, so you have more demand for the same offer driving the price of one tx higher proportionally

Pretty simple, if there will be demand for that space you're going to see higher fees, if not, we go back to 1sat/b
What will happen, that's crystal ball territory!

ETH switched to PoS to deal with this

The mining algorithm doesn't matter, Doge is POW and is cheaper than ETH with more daily transactions.
Bitcoin could increase the blocksize to 20vMB and would outclass ETH by a wide margin.

I think this loop will continue for as long as Bitcoin is still active and there are BTC to mine.

The reward is keeping the security up, the fees are up because of demand for transactions,  those are two different things.
You could have one guy mining with a CPU and getting 500 satoshi a day once the reward is done and have 1 sat/vb fees since nobody is making tx, but the chain could be attacked by a guy with a better CPU.
You can have one trillion ASIC miners competing for the 70 million in reward, but the maximum capacity will be the same, the difference is that you would need one trillion ASICS to attack the chain.






Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: dkbit98 on April 12, 2024, 08:51:49 PM
So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
I would not wait for fees to come down to 1 sat/vb any time soon, but they will come down eventually when mempool cools down.
Something around 10 sat/vb is acceptable for me and that is not so expensive, but you can always use second layer solutions (Liquid Network or Lightning) if you want to have minimal transactions fees.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: KingsDen on April 12, 2024, 09:03:30 PM
Considering the daily increase of congestions in Bitcoin transactions, I don't think there's gonna be an end to high fees charged by Bitcoin miners any time soon and that's because we are approaching bull run. In this period, Bitcoin and other major digital assets will continue to sustain upward movement in prices which as a result will continue to attract more people to engage in Bitcoin transactions on a daily basis thereby increasing the congestion of transactions. In a nutshell, what we are experiencing at the moment in transaction fee could be little compared to what will happen during the bull run.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 12, 2024, 09:24:37 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
I didn't noticed tx fee for BTC network is high, because few days ago I used TW and paid around $3 for TX and now the tx fee is higher, I don't have any idea about why the fee is high besides the congestion reason. Well thanks for sharing it. Haha you are calling it loop mode like its a fixed algorithm. I don't think its a algorithm its just depend on various factors.

I don't think, fee is going to be 1sat/vb anytime soon we are far away from that time. If your target is to seek 1sat/vb then I would definitely call it a never ending story because it will never reach that target. As of now prices are so high but who knows maybe in future they might come down to your point.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Agbe on April 12, 2024, 09:27:04 PM
It's hard to say but there will be upgrades on Bitcoin blockchain. There will be migrations of Ordinals to like Bitcoin layer-2 and even something new in future.
That is what we are waiting to see because the migration will help the bitcoin network to reduce transaction cost. Really the high transaction fee in bitcoin network is so much worrisome that some people are eve afraid to keep their coins in the non custodial wallets, mostly the signature campaign participants, they use Centralized Exchanges to receive pay and once they received, they sell it off without wasting of time. We are praying that let the transaction fee reduce even in the future.
The bottom line is, we must ask ourselves, whether Ordinals are here to stay?
The way they are feeding from bitcoin , I don't think they are planning to leave the Blockchain at anytime soon. And if care is not taking they might take there as their resident place.

I believe they will not be able to stay here for too long, bear market will kill them.
If that happens then it will be a good news but after the bear market, won't they come back again? My own is that they should look for a way to remove them automatically from the network if it is possible.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Gurujebs on April 12, 2024, 09:45:08 PM
I didn't noticed tx fee for BTC network is high, because few days ago I used TW and paid around $3 for TX and now the tx fee is higher, I don't have any idea about why the fee is high besides the congestion reason. Well thanks for sharing it. Haha you are calling it loop mode like its a fixed algorithm. I don't think its a algorithm its just depend on various factors.

I think you should use wallet like Electrum, I'm not saying Trust wallet is bad but they are not free to use like to customize fees like you want and even if they might have updated that, they don't allow coin controls features and with this, you can't spend an outputs singularly and when they are joined together, it will make you pay more. The more the inputs you add together the more fees you will likely pay.

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I don't think, fee is going to be 1sat/vb anytime soon we are far away from that time. If your target is to seek 1sat/vb then I would definitely call it a never ending story because it will never reach that target. As of now prices are so high but who knows maybe in future they might come down to your point.

The only time that we might see fees in that range is going to be in bear market, that's the only time Bitcoin don't get demand and the lesser the demand, the less activity the Chain becomes and the less fee people pay for transaction, gradually on it own it will reduce to that level but not now in this bull run. Ordinals are also contributing to the increase in the fees.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: MrSpasybo on April 12, 2024, 10:06:59 PM
I would not wait for fees to come down to 1 sat/vb any time soon, but they will come down eventually when mempool cools down.
Something around 10 sat/vb is acceptable for me and that is not so expensive, but you can always use second layer solutions (Liquid Network or Lightning) if you want to have minimal transactions fees.
Bitcoin has successfully escaped the Inscription trend, and we can consider current transactions to be driven by real user demand. It is rare to see transaction fees below 40 sat/vB. As the Bitcoin network grows in terms of users and utilities, I don't think we will see 1 sat/vB in the future. If this were to happen, it would likely indicate that Bitcoin has encountered a truly serious problem and lost users.

One possibility is that in the future, BTC will become a reserve asset for nations or a unit of account for fiat currencies. BTC transactions would only be conducted between countries in large orders for imports and exports. I do not really look forward to this scenario; BTC should be an asset and belong to everyone.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 12, 2024, 10:22:44 PM
Bitcoin has successfully escaped the Inscription trend, and we can consider current transactions to be driven by real user demand.

Not even close!

This is how blocks 3 and 4 look in the mempool:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/12/jC9aT.png)
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/12/jCBTl.png)

Today ordinals and brc-20 accounted for 40% of the total transactions, and possibly more in space taken.

Considering the daily increase of congestions in Bitcoin transactions, I don't think there's gonna be an end to high fees charged by Bitcoin miners any time soon and that's because we are approaching bull run.

Miners can't and don't charge fees, Bitcoin has always worked on the pay as you want model, if you want to pay 1 sat or 1000sat per byte you're free to do it, the users themselves drive the competition, miners can't charge you ten times more just because they want that.

Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: vegasus on April 12, 2024, 10:35:48 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
It cannot be denied that one of the weaknesses of Bitcoin is that its fees are quite high. Actually this will also vary. depending on what network conditions are when the transaction takes place. Here, there are several things we need to pay attention to. Usually there are several fee levels, including low, medium and high. So we can manage it. on the other hand, we can also check the current transaction fee first, check it in BTC explorer. So this could be one of the considerations whether we will transfer the BTC now or later wait for the fee to go down a bit.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on April 13, 2024, 12:58:38 AM


If there was really nothing that would have been done to reduce the transaction fee of Bitcoin from skyrocketing last year, nothing would have been done to subsidize the fee, but nothing was instantly done, so it had to last for some weeks before going normal again. That's to say that nothing can just immediately be done to fix that challenge, and I believe it will continue to happen, but not all the time. We would just have to get used to it.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Lucius on April 13, 2024, 12:33:27 PM
~snip~
Miners can't and don't charge fees, Bitcoin has always worked on the pay as you want model, if you want to pay 1 sat or 1000sat per byte you're free to do it, the users themselves drive the competition, miners can't charge you ten times more just because they want that.


It is true that users who compete for the fastest possible confirmation of their transactions cause fees to increase, with of course all these ordinals and the like spamming the blockchain - but can we rule out the possibility that some of the miners are behind the ordinals?

It's no secret that halving will significantly affect miners' earnings, and why wouldn't they find another way for extra income through increased fees?
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: SamReomo on April 13, 2024, 02:35:17 PM
or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
I don't think that we will see Bitcoin fees going down to that level anytime soon, not even in coming years. The ordinals have caused the spike of the fees and after that the fees have been unstable. The fees change many times per day and that's been happening after the introduction of those useless ordinals.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on April 13, 2024, 04:30:45 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
I honestly have lost hope in believing that one day, we will return back to the era when we were charged 1 satoshi per vbyte, and our transaction gets confirmed in less than 2 to 3 minutes, oh gosh, how I miss those days..

And looking at the way things currently are, and doing with the bitcoin network, I am afraid to say that, we gave to unfortunately, accept the high transaction fees as a new norm, in fact, it is even more painful knowing that this fees might keep rising year after year as Bitcoin gains more and more adoption..
And if nothing is done to either proffer alternative, like lightning network adoption and so on, transacting in bitcoin may turn out to become something that is reserved for the whales in the industry, that is the money bags, those who can afford to pay the high fees without stress.

All the same, I am hoping that for the sake of the common man, for the sake of why bitcoin was introduced, that developers will work hard to make the bitcoin lightening network an attractive alternative for investors to choose and utilize.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 13, 2024, 04:36:56 PM
It is true that users who compete for the fastest possible confirmation of their transactions cause fees to increase, with of course all these ordinals and the like spamming the blockchain - but can we rule out the possibility that some of the miners are behind the ordinals?

It's no secret that halving will significantly affect miners' earnings, and why wouldn't they find another way for extra income through increased fees?

Just some miners being part of this would really make no impact on their earnings, a they will have to pump the tx burning their own coins and have a few of those extra fees getting confirmed by other miners, plus the main problem is with the block finding.

Let's assume you launch an attack with high fees and then, you get really unlucky, there are numerous examples where even pools like Foundry which normally by their size should;t see much fluctuation have days of mining into the 20 to 50 blocks range, just two days ago they mined 23 blocks and then 40 next day, smaller guys have it even worse. So there is a risk of spending money to make less money while the competitor makes more.
If we go deeper in the conspiracy theory and assume they are forming a cartel, then they would have a way cheaper and far more effective way of controlling those, one of them would be just to mine empty blocks by a quota, no need to make all those transactions and waste lot of time and effort.

Don't underestimate hype and craziness, remember crypto kittens?  ;)
Sometimes the truth is weirder than fiction.


Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Lucius on April 13, 2024, 05:07:20 PM
I honestly have lost hope in believing that one day, we will return back to the era when we were charged 1 satoshi per vbyte, and our transaction gets confirmed in less than 2 to 3 minutes, oh gosh, how I miss those days..
~snip~


An old saying says that you should be careful what you wish for, because it might come true. Because if your wish comes true, maybe you will have 1 sat/vB, but you will also have a price that will be x10 lower than today. In addition, the average time between blocks is about 10 minutes and has nothing to do with fees - sometimes you are lucky enough to broadcast your transaction at the right moment, and other times the time between two blocks can be more than 60 minutes.



~snip~
Don't underestimate hype and craziness, remember crypto kittens?  ;)
Sometimes the truth is weirder than fiction.


I'm not a person who believes in coincidences, and besides, Bitcoin is a big business where most of the big players don't hesitate to play dirty. I may have accused the miners completely wrongly, but they cannot be completely ruled out as suspects, given that higher fees go directly to their benefit.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Sim_card on April 13, 2024, 05:23:19 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
It cannot be denied that one of the weaknesses of Bitcoin is that its fees are quite high. Actually this will also vary. depending on what network conditions are when the transaction takes place. Here, there are several things we need to pay attention to. Usually there are several fee levels, including low, medium and high. So we can manage it. on the other hand, we can also check the current transaction fee first, check it in BTC explorer. So this could be one of the considerations whether we will transfer the BTC now or later wait for the fee to go down a bit.
Bitcoin network congestion is one of the challenges that discourages people to be using bitcoin in their daily business, especially small businesses. I don't have plans of selling any bitcoin now, and that was why I have never noticed this. However, I think if ordinals problem is not solved, we might continue with seeing such high fees, and we must accept to live with it.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Google+ on April 13, 2024, 05:48:35 PM
I don't think that we will see Bitcoin fees going down to that level anytime soon, not even in coming years. The ordinals have caused the spike of the fees and after that the fees have been unstable. The fees change many times per day and that's been happening after the introduction of those useless ordinals.
This possibility has become a natural thing when Ordinal has started to have an influence on bitcoin price movements on exchanges, it will also have an impact on the decline in Bitcoin prices. Usually bad news can also trigger a collapse in Bitcoin prices.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: alltalk on April 13, 2024, 09:12:31 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?
How do you define "normal" on Bitcoin transfer fees?
If you want to see Bitcoin transfer fees to be as cheap as in the bearish season, I think it won't happen until this bullish season ends. The increase of Bitcoin transfer fees is caused by the higher volume of Bitcoin transaction in Bitcoin network during the bullish season. Bitcoin holders become more active to move their Bitcoin because they are preparing for exit target in this bullrun season. This will end only, when the Bitcoin holders have reached their targets.

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
It seems a bit impossible to see again the transfer fees around 1 sat/vb. As far as I know, the cheapest transfer fees I ever saw currently was around 5 sat/vb. Since it is getting closer of Bitcoin halving, the transfer fees should tend to increase gradually. I don't see a chance of the decline of Bitcoin transfer fees in the near future.

Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: UNIVERSE on April 13, 2024, 11:58:15 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
Seriously, this is true, sometimes, we are also surprised because the fees can change that much in a very short period of time. Therefore, often check the fees before we carry out the transaction, I agree with various opinions from memes. because the fee will change along with the condition of the network. The more full it is, the more expensive it will be. That's it, just check in explorer first to find out the fee conditions at that time. This may also ifnelucne how fast the blcoka dn confirmation to be passed.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: SamReomo on April 14, 2024, 04:32:30 AM
This possibility has become a natural thing when Ordinal has started to have an influence on bitcoin price movements on exchanges, it will also have an impact on the decline in Bitcoin prices.
The ordinals have caused spikes in the transaction fees but I don't think that they have impacted the price of Bitcoin in anyway. So far Bitcoin has been gaining value time after time even after the addition of BRC-20 protocol on the Bitcoin blockchain.

I believe that the ordinals won't be an issue when it comes to the price of Bitcoin but surely they'll always impact the transaction fees and that's why I believe we won't be able to see low fee transactions until the developers find a solution to remove those ordinals from Bitcoin blockchain.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: goaldigger on April 14, 2024, 08:12:34 AM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
High traffic with a few miners, so I think this is the problem and we are going to deal with this especially now that the supply will become lesser.
This has been the scenario, this is also why many new good project emerge simply because they are offering a faster and cheaper way to transact.

This is not with Bitcoin network though, we can also experience the same thing with the ETH network.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 14, 2024, 10:01:46 AM
It seems a bit impossible to see again the transfer fees around 1 sat/vb.

That, if we see it again, will take a long time, with the bull market the fees are not going to go down and if we have ordinals for a while, even less.

Surely in the long term we have to get the idea that this will be the case, because as the block reward goes down it is logical that the fees will go up, although I am not 100% sure that this will be the case.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: 0t3p0t on April 14, 2024, 11:30:06 AM
I think we'll leave that issue to devs as they are the one who can apply upgrades on the system. It actually affects not only as a digital currency but also as an investment because yeah who wants to spend much more on fees right? I believe that there are still solutions to this and that is what we are waiting for right now so just be patient.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bayu7adi on April 14, 2024, 11:55:52 AM
I checked the mempool to see today's Bitcoin transaction fees, and the average is still normal and not that high. Even a few hours ago there was a transaction with a fee below 30 sat/vb... meaning that the fee this time was not as high as the previous fee which even reached 200 sat/vb for making transactions in Bitcoin. As far as I have experienced, high fees on Bitcoin's blockchain network will not last forever, there will be a time when fees will return to normal below 20 sat/vb or even below 10 sat/vb.... this is just a matter of time and patience

If you feel the current fees are too high and unfair, just hold on until the fees return to normal. HOLD BTC actually has the potential to provide profits if you do it for a long time.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bitbit97 on April 14, 2024, 11:57:12 AM
It seems a bit impossible to see again the transfer fees around 1 sat/vb. As far as I know, the cheapest transfer fees I ever saw currently was around 5 sat/vb. Since it is getting closer of Bitcoin halving, the transfer fees should tend to increase gradually. I don't see a chance of the decline of Bitcoin transfer fees in the near future.

Well, since popularity of Bitcoin grows, there is no way there would cheap transactions anymore. Mining becomes more complicated. Will it even be possible/profitable for miners to confirm transactions with such low fees? As to change in fees - few days ago I have seen ~150sat/vb fees, followed by drop to ~15-20. Today I see a bit higher fees. I dont think that halving will make any influence on the fees. Why would it? Bitcoin price before or after few days or week halving dont change much historically. Those who wanted, already bought Bitcoin. Those who are going to be disappointed for not becoming instantly rich next after halving, wont be a significant amount to influence on the fees when they start to withdraw and sell.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: _act_ on April 14, 2024, 12:07:11 PM
This possibility has become a natural thing when Ordinal has started to have an influence on bitcoin price movements on exchanges, it will also have an impact on the decline in Bitcoin prices.
Ordinals having effect on bitcoin price? You are not right about this. It is bitcoin that is having effect on Ordinals price and not only Ordinals but cryptocurrencies in general. If bitcoin price deceasing, ordinals and other altcoins will also be decreasing in price.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 14, 2024, 01:54:22 PM
If you want to see Bitcoin transfer fees to be as cheap as in the bearish season, I think it won't happen until this bullish season ends. The increase of Bitcoin transfer fees is caused by the higher volume of Bitcoin transaction in Bitcoin network during the bullish season. Bitcoin holders become more active to move their Bitcoin because they are preparing for exit target in this bullrun season.

This bull run was completely the opposite.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/14/jRT3W.png)

You can see that the fees peaked back in December, the price didn't reach 40k by than and at the last bump it was still under 45k, despite rising to 73 k , almost doubling the fees steadily went down as the action on the exchanges is not matched by the action on the blockchain.
Too many have their funds on CEX, too many rely on custodial wallets and also a ton of the action happened because of ETFs and that's a lot of off money with really really small on chain activity.

Even now as we experience this dump and rising fees, it's all driven by ordials spam and not people rushing to sell their coins!


High traffic with a few miners, so I think this is the problem and we are going to deal with this especially now that the supply will become lesser.

The amount of miners doesn't influence the blockchain capacity.
10 or 1 trillion ASICs it's still 1vMB every 10 minutes.

Well, since popularity of Bitcoin grows, there is no way there would cheap transactions anymore. Mining becomes more complicated. Will it even be possible/profitable for miners to confirm transactions with such low fees? 

Again, it doesn't matter.
Mining worked with 2sat/vb fee it will work with 100sat/vb it will work with 1sat/vb again.
If some miners will not be able to cover the expenses they will shut down, so there revenue will be split between fewer miners that will keep on mining, and as long there is even one guy with a S9 mining blocks will keep being found.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: KingsDen on April 14, 2024, 04:19:08 PM


If there was really nothing that would have been done to reduce the transaction fee of Bitcoin from skyrocketing last year, nothing would have been done to subsidize the fee, but nothing was instantly done, so it had to last for some weeks before going normal again. That's to say that nothing can just immediately be done to fix that challenge, and I believe it will continue to happen, but not all the time. We would just have to get used to it.
When the mempool congestion of a thing began to happen newly, it was strange to people and there were many complaints. But at a time people began to get used to it and the complaints were lesser. Now, I didn't even know there have been congestion because people are complaining much about it. So, it is time we understand that the ordinance are part of the system and they will continue to spam the blockchain in order to raise the transaction fee. We should instead concentrate on how to deal with it.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: PX-Z on April 14, 2024, 04:59:25 PM
So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
Maybe if bitcoin becomes more stable regardless the price, other than that even without the ordinals if its just these days where suddenly bitcoin plummet or pump, transaction fee will always be affected due to frequent transfers then the buy and sells to prevent fomo.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on April 14, 2024, 06:38:57 PM
        -      I think that such opportunities will not go away in my opinion, it seems that the opportunity will really come and arrive when a network will be really congested when many transactions are being made.

just like that one day the bitcoin fees went up again but then went down after a few days, because the people doing the transaction have relaxed again and slowed down.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: taufik123 on April 14, 2024, 10:11:45 PM


If there was really nothing that would have been done to reduce the transaction fee of Bitcoin from skyrocketing last year, nothing would have been done to subsidize the fee, but nothing was instantly done, so it had to last for some weeks before going normal again. That's to say that nothing can just immediately be done to fix that challenge, and I believe it will continue to happen, but not all the time. We would just have to get used to it.
When the mempool congestion of a thing began to happen newly, it was strange to people and there were many complaints. But at a time people began to get used to it and the complaints were lesser. Now, I didn't even know there have been congestion because people are complaining much about it. So, it is time we understand that the ordinance are part of the system and they will continue to spam the blockchain in order to raise the transaction fee. We should instead concentrate on how to deal with it.
This is a strong current caused by Bitcoin's Ordinal network that makes transactions even more congested.
It cannot be denied that the more transactions in Ordinal, the more congested the Bitcoin network will be.

And later after the halving will appear Rune Protocol which is Bitcoin Layer-2 which will be more efficient and can reduce the burden on the Bitcoin network.

In the future, Rune Protocol can function as a Layer-2 solution on top of Bitcoin, facilitating off-chain token transactions at lower costs.
This reduces the burden on the main Bitcoin network and helps manage transaction fees.

https://community.magiceden.io/learn/runes-guide
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: KingsDen on April 14, 2024, 10:20:02 PM
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This is a strong current caused by Bitcoin's Ordinal network that makes transactions even more congested.
It cannot be denied that the more transactions in Ordinal, the more congested the Bitcoin network will be.
Yea, that is the truth... But then, are we eradicating the Ordinals any moment? No! We have to learn to deal with the situation because this guys will continue to spam the blockchain in intervals.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: PX-Z on April 15, 2024, 12:54:24 AM
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This is a strong current caused by Bitcoin's Ordinal network that makes transactions even more congested.
It cannot be denied that the more transactions in Ordinal, the more congested the Bitcoin network will be.
Yea, that is the truth... But then, are we eradicating the Ordinals any moment? No! We have to learn to deal with the situation because this guys will continue to spam the blockchain in intervals.
Even if the ordinals will be ended as core developers planned to do. Transactions fees will always be at high when it comes a session like this where bitcoin plummet so suddenly or pumps.
At this moment looks like the fees are much lower than before but it's still high, it's 35sat/vB as per writing unlike it reached 80-100sat/vB before when Ordinals are so active.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 15, 2024, 09:42:16 AM
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This is a strong current caused by Bitcoin's Ordinal network that makes transactions even more congested.
It cannot be denied that the more transactions in Ordinal, the more congested the Bitcoin network will be.
Yea, that is the truth... But then, are we eradicating the Ordinals any moment? No! We have to learn to deal with the situation because this guys will continue to spam the blockchain in intervals.
Even if the ordinals will be ended as core developers planned to do. Transactions fees will always be at high when it comes a session like this where bitcoin plummet so suddenly or pumps.
At this moment looks like the fees are much lower than before but it's still high, it's 35sat/vB as per writing unlike it reached 80-100sat/vB before when Ordinals are so active.

You can check again the fee shoot over 110sat/vb and definitely this is not really due to the price bumps and dumps cause inscriptions are occupying around 30 - 40% of the blocks which is what forcing other users to pay more.

So for smaller transfers we have no other options than LN or better use altcoin like LTC which can be perfect alternative for BTC in my opinion.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bitterguy28 on April 15, 2024, 01:58:19 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
We are all hoping that 1 sat/vb will happen again but the sad part is that it seems that this will never be coming again ,   and this  even happening in Ethereum so what could we expect in the coming years? that all crypto will have this same faith?
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: examplens on April 15, 2024, 02:42:02 PM
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/14/jRT3W.png)

You can see that the fees peaked back in December, the price didn't reach 40k by than and at the last bump it was still under 45k, despite rising to 73 k , almost doubling the fees steadily went down as the action on the exchanges is not matched by the action on the blockchain.

Showing the Bitcoin fee movement in dollars is quite irrelevant, at least for any analysis. The price of Bitcoin can only indirectly affect the fee, and only if it causes an increase or decrease in the number of transactions.
For example, the current fee is a modest 232 sat/vB and the current value of Bitcoin has no significant effect on it.

Also, the fee is always paid in Bitcoin, never in $.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bitbit97 on April 15, 2024, 04:38:31 PM
Does anyone knows why today fees went so high? During 7 days, fees have increased almost 20 times. I doubt that incoming halving has any impact on that. I doubt also that recent price drop has any influence either, as bitcoin already had those enormous drops, but fees did not react like that.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: dkbit98 on April 15, 2024, 07:36:57 PM
Maybe if bitcoin becomes more stable regardless the price, other than that even without the ordinals if its just these days where suddenly bitcoin plummet or pump, transaction fee will always be affected due to frequent transfers then the buy and sells to prevent fomo.
It's not going to happen, unless governments, institutions and big corporations take over, and than they can crush the price and keep it low.
We can see similar thing is happening with price of gold, silver and other precious metals, with unrealistic low prices that you can't find in real life.
This is probably one of the biggest dangers for bitcoin, along with making it unusable for everyday transactions with high fees.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Gurujebs on April 15, 2024, 07:45:28 PM
Does anyone knows why today fees went so high? During 7 days, fees have increased almost 20 times. I doubt that incoming halving has any impact on that. I doubt also that recent price drop has any influence either, as bitcoin already had those enormous drops, but fees did not react like that.

I have a feeling that this thing is done voluntarily by some groups of people that just wake up and spam the Bitcoin network over nothing. It might be done by the miners or just any random person who have its own motive for making the fees so expensive and unaffordable because I can't afford to pay that ridiculous fees of $13 for a single input and output transaction.

Either ways, I believe they are temporary. Halving is less than 4 days now and after that, the network might not see more activities like we are seeing now unless the miners want to spam the pool and then make transactions to be expensive so they can make money from the fees.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Agbe on April 15, 2024, 09:44:30 PM
Does anyone knows why today fees went so high? During 7 days, fees have increased almost 20 times. I doubt that incoming halving has any impact on that. I doubt also that recent price drop has any influence either, as bitcoin already had those enormous drops, but fees did not react like that.
Yes I noticed it as well. I even cancelled two transactions yesterday because of the high transaction fee and even today too. I was Making a transaction of 25 USA dollar to settle some bills but the but the transaction fee was 5 dollars and when I checked everything, there would be no much that would be left in my receiving wallet so I have to cancel the transaction and wait for the time when the fee will go down again. And add it with full of the mempool. Someone send coins since yesterday till now he has not received the coins.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: taufik123 on April 16, 2024, 01:01:53 AM
Yea, that is the truth... But then, are we eradicating the Ordinals any moment? No! We have to learn to deal with the situation because this guys will continue to spam the blockchain in intervals.
When a new network provides convenience, lower costs and higher efficiency,
ordinals are abandoned and all migrate to a better network.

I see lately Rune Protocol has become very Hype, and it will be present when the halving happens,
this will be much awaited by all bitcoin users.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Jating on April 16, 2024, 01:42:13 AM
Yea, that is the truth... But then, are we eradicating the Ordinals any moment? No! We have to learn to deal with the situation because this guys will continue to spam the blockchain in intervals.
When a new network provides convenience, lower costs and higher efficiency,
ordinals are abandoned and all migrate to a better network.

I see lately Rune Protocol has become very Hype, and it will be present when the halving happens,
this will be much awaited by all bitcoin users.
That is the main issue that affected the network again, it congested that we have seen above 100 sat/vB transaction. And the timing of the developer pushing for Rune Protocol, he can't deny that he is doing this to disrupt the network again as what he did with his BRC20 ordinals . So this will cause another friction on the Bitcoin core dev side, as there could be Bitcoin enthusiast that says that they are not doing anything to prevent this or close the exploit that the BRC20 and Rune developer has found on in the code. Nevertheless, if we have endured the high fees before, I think we can live with it right now and let it die a natural death in the next coming months.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: robelneo on April 16, 2024, 05:28:30 PM
Does anyone knows why today fees went so high? During 7 days, fees have increased almost 20 times. I doubt that incoming halving has any impact on that. I doubt also that recent price drop has any influence either, as bitcoin already had those enormous drops, but fees did not react like that.
Yes I noticed it as well. I even cancelled two transactions yesterday because of the high transaction fee and even today too. I was Making a transaction of 25 USA dollar to settle some bills but the but the transaction fee was 5 dollars and when I checked everything, there would be no much that would be left in my receiving wallet so I have to cancel the transaction and wait for the time when the fee will go down again. And add it with full of the mempool. Someone send coins since yesterday till now he has not received the coins.

It's been a roller coaster this week a few days ago the fee was less than $2 but now while trying to send $50 Bitcoin from my Electrum to our local exchange this is the fee.

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/04/16/jk4U1.png) (https://talkimg.com/image/jk4U1)

I have to delay my transaction until the fee normalizes but if you have an emergency and trading your Bitcoin is your only option then you're in a bit of tough luck.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Agbe on April 16, 2024, 05:37:19 PM
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From on Sunday to date the few just skyrocket to a very high price I cancelled two transactions yesterday because of the high transaction fee. At first I don't know that the transaction is high so in my investment wallet I was trying to make some transaction and the fee was about $6.7 and it delayed for hours so I have to visit the transaction and pumped the fee. That one went and finally delivered but the second transactions didn't went through so I canceled them. This period that everyone is planning to sell their bitcoin in the ATH is the time bitcoin transaction fee is getting worse.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 16, 2024, 05:37:39 PM
Don't expect this to end now, we should instead rather prepare ourself for the possible challenges whereby we may not be that affected whenever we are having increasing rates on the bitcoin transaction fees, but if we are also to compare this same to the way other networks charges, we can be able to see that bitcoin is nothing much to compare with them all, while this high fee may not even last long before it all comes down to ease.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bounceback on April 16, 2024, 05:37:54 PM
Its my reason why prefer for using exchange wallet for receiving payment from signature campaign, high fees for sending bitcoin is never has good ending story after last week the current fee transaction up drastically and take more than almost one hour with normally fees for payment completing.
I use exchange wallet and directly sell or convert to stable coins before withdrawing to bank account, for using bitcoin as transaction awhile need more patience with slowly transaction process and take higher fees for sending. Use small or lower fees sending need waiting more than few hours but to get faster transaction need recovery with bigger fee.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: SamReomo on April 16, 2024, 08:06:22 PM
I use exchange wallet and directly sell or convert to stable coins before withdrawing to bank account, for using bitcoin as transaction awhile need more patience with slowly transaction process and take higher fees for sending.
I would never recommend you to use exchange wallet for receiving your signature payments. I used to do that but a mixer named Sinbad was seized by SEC and all those members who had used their exchange's wallet got warning notification from the exchange.

I faced that issue myself for few days and later on I decided to use my own personal wallet for receiving of payments instead of going with an exchange's wallet. That's why I will never recommend anyone to use an exchange's wallet for receiving of funds.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: 0t3p0t on April 16, 2024, 09:04:29 PM
27 sat/vB
$2.38
29 sat/vB
$2.55
30 sat/vB
$2.64
This is the current fees which is slightly lower compared to what we have six hours ago and it's quite normal. But even though it cost me around 3 dollars for the transaction I don't mind using exchange wallets as what others did because of the fact that my signature campaign is a mixer I don't want to have trouble with the weekly rewards as exchanges might detect it as suspicious transactions since I personally do not know where that funds come from. 
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: TomPluz on April 17, 2024, 06:38:41 AM
There is always the tug of war between our wish for Bitcoin to go bullish and its corresponding increase in transaction fees as there will surely be network congestion when BTC market is getting hyperactive. We can be happy that Bitcoin is breaking new records from time to time in terms of price but we ca also be sad to see the fees skyrocketing especially these days. According to this Ycharts site (https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee), the Bitcoin Average Transaction Fee (I:BATF) is 13.30 USD/tx for Apr 16 2024. And it is quite high for a cryptocurrency transaction but it is find if you are sending  Bitcoin worth at least $1000 maybe but definitely not for small transactions much more like buying some groceries or a cup of coffee. And with this reality alone, I am not wondering why BTC is carving its reputation more like a store of value rather than a usual currency you can use to buy anything you want. With the way it is right now, I don't see a viable solution for this problem in the near future.


Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 17, 2024, 02:49:52 PM
Showing the Bitcoin fee movement in dollars is quite irrelevant, at least for any analysis. The price of Bitcoin can only indirectly affect the fee, and only if it causes an increase or decrease in the number of transactions.

The value in $ is what people care about when buying something.
Do you think somebody would care if they paid 10,000 sat/vb if that's 1 cent?
People still think in $, you buy stuff that's priced in $ so you will think about how much of that you spend transferring it, if Bitcoin reaches 700k do you think anyone would say, oh, it's just 10 sat/vb let me pay 40sat/vb for it as I got used to it or will they say that no way in hell are they paying $100 to buy something a visa card charges zero and doge a quarter of a cent?

Anyhow, sat/vb or USD per tx, fees are still lower by both metrics right now compared to December, on chain usage other than ordinals is simply dead, I hope some migrated to LN, but I'm still waiting for true signs of this.

For example, the current fee is a modest 232 sat/vB and the current value of Bitcoin has no significant effect on it.

I don't get this one...
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: taufik123 on April 18, 2024, 12:00:17 AM
That is the main issue that affected the network again, it congested that we have seen above 100 sat/vB transaction. And the timing of the developer pushing for Rune Protocol, he can't deny that he is doing this to disrupt the network again as what he did with his BRC20 ordinals . So this will cause another friction on the Bitcoin core dev side, as there could be Bitcoin enthusiast that says that they are not doing anything to prevent this or close the exploit that the BRC20 and Rune developer has found on in the code. Nevertheless, if we have endured the high fees before, I think we can live with it right now and let it die a natural death in the next coming months.
But I don't know, many claims that Rune Protocol would be better, even though a few years ago the bitcoin network was indeed disrupted with ordinals and BRC-20.

Bitcoin is open source and anyone can develop the project, but if the development of a new network is very burdensome for the Bitcoin network, of course the community has the authority to remove it.

But is it entirely doable, as technological developments are getting better and there may be a major way out so that the Bitcoin L2 network does not significantly disrupt the main network so that there is no surge in transactions that will bring the network to a standstill.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Baofeng on April 18, 2024, 12:25:06 AM
That is the main issue that affected the network again, it congested that we have seen above 100 sat/vB transaction. And the timing of the developer pushing for Rune Protocol, he can't deny that he is doing this to disrupt the network again as what he did with his BRC20 ordinals . So this will cause another friction on the Bitcoin core dev side, as there could be Bitcoin enthusiast that says that they are not doing anything to prevent this or close the exploit that the BRC20 and Rune developer has found on in the code. Nevertheless, if we have endured the high fees before, I think we can live with it right now and let it die a natural death in the next coming months.
But I don't know, many claims that Rune Protocol would be better, even though a few years ago the bitcoin network was indeed disrupted with ordinals and BRC-20.

Bitcoin is open source and anyone can develop the project, but if the development of a new network is very burdensome for the Bitcoin network, of course the community has the authority to remove it.

But is it entirely doable, as technological developments are getting better and there may be a major way out so that the Bitcoin L2 network does not significantly disrupt the main network so that there is no surge in transactions that will bring the network to a standstill.

It's just another protocol, so I don't think it will succeed. And it's just an obvious thing that this developer is trying to do again. Either way, it is disrupting the main network so what can do you or who can you define them that is a breakthrough as far as Bitcoin L2 network goes?

It will still be look that way, BRC-20 or ordinals or Runes, the same effect on the network. And for average joe Bitcoin investors, it's not like we wanted to see the fees going up again.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: dwyane36 on April 18, 2024, 01:29:38 AM
It will still be look that way, BRC-20 or ordinals or Runes, the same effect on the network. And for average joe Bitcoin investors, it's not like we wanted to see the fees going up again.

I think that regular users and those who are not interested in ordinals hate those who create all this hype around ordinals and consequently provoke an increase in fees in the Bitcoin network. The only ones who can be happy about it are the miners because they earn even more because of it.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: KingsDen on April 18, 2024, 11:48:23 AM
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Nevertheless, if we have endured the high fees before, I think we can live with it right now and let it die a natural death in the next coming months.
We have endured the high fee before and we are also living with it. But seeing it dying naturally is something I don't think will happen any moment. How will the mempool congestion be something of the past? Are core developers able to displace ordinals and how are they going to do that? I would just want to know a little about how this is going to be.
If the fees are still high now, I wonder what will happen if BTC makes $100k and there will be alot of selling pressure.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 18, 2024, 02:41:13 PM
It wont be funny that when some of us discover on what we called to be high fees is nothing compared to what other crypto network or fiat system charges, and moreover, this is not something that may last long concerning bitcoin and we cannot predict if any development will occur in finding a permanent solution to it, if we really understand the value of bitcoin, we will realized that the transaction fee is nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Gurujebs on April 18, 2024, 02:48:29 PM
It wont be funny that when some of us discover on what we called to be high fees is nothing compared to what other crypto network or fiat system charges, and moreover, this is not something that may last long concerning bitcoin and we cannot predict if any development will occur in finding a permanent solution to it, if we really understand the value of bitcoin, we will realized that the transaction fee is nothing to worry about.

Let's be honest for once, the fees asked by some crypto chain are very ridiculous. There was a time ethereum do ask for $100 to execute a smart contract call, even now if you check the ethereum Explorer, the asking fee for contract execution and some transaction can go as high as $10 which is very high compared to fiat transactions you are talking about.

Bitcoin is not different from this but where I love Bitcoin network is that the fees only fluctuate when the mempool is congested and sometimes when the inscription are much on the network due to ordinals transactions.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 18, 2024, 05:36:29 PM
It wont be funny that when some of us discover on what we called to be high fees is nothing compared to what other crypto network or fiat system charges,

It won't be funny when you realize it's the opposite!
Most banks here offer you a free account with free interbaking transactions, I pay exactly zero for an instant transfer to a friend in another town and his account gets credited in seconds, basically, he can give me a call while going down the stairs and by the time he arrives at the ATM next to his house he already can withdraw, again, with zero fees.
Only a few banks still charge 1 euro for cash deposits or maintenance fees depending on what extra services you have.

Unlike some cryptos banks haven't stayed by 2000 standards and have improved quite a bit, of course not in all countries but at least in Europe you simply can't find fault with fees and time.

Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: taufik123 on April 18, 2024, 06:21:12 PM
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It will still be look that way, BRC-20 or ordinals or Runes, the same effect on the network. And for average joe Bitcoin investors, it's not like we wanted to see the fees going up again.
I don't know what the Bitcoin network will be like when the Rune Protocol comes into existence and it will be a memecoin Protocol for Bitcoin and more NFTs that own memecoins.

Now the lowest transaction fee is at 10 sat/vb and the highest is 79 sat/vb, but I hope it doesn't give a bad congestion effect like in the last few months before when ordinal and BRC-20 appeared.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/18/j1GIC.png)
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: dkbit98 on April 18, 2024, 08:44:01 PM
It's just another protocol, so I don't think it will succeed. And it's just an obvious thing that this developer is trying to do again. Either way, it is disrupting the main network so what can do you or who can you define them that is a breakthrough as far as Bitcoin L2 network goes?
Rune protocol is not my thing.
I think that Bitcoin sidechain implementation would fix most problems we have today with fees, and this could also give us much better privacy for bitcoin.
There are people who are against this and they want to keep bitcoin as it is now, but that could make it unusable for most people in future.
I don't think Lightning Network will ever be adopted enough, and I always hear people complaining about it.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 18, 2024, 10:54:50 PM
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It will still be look that way, BRC-20 or ordinals or Runes, the same effect on the network. And for average joe Bitcoin investors, it's not like we wanted to see the fees going up again.
I don't know what the Bitcoin network will be like when the Rune Protocol comes into existence and it will be a memecoin Protocol for Bitcoin and more NFTs that own memecoins.

Now the lowest transaction fee is at 10 sat/vb and the highest is 79 sat/vb, but I hope it doesn't give a bad congestion effect like in the last few months before when ordinal and BRC-20 appeared.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/18/j1GIC.png)

Well, it can be Said that for some people it can be somewhat Expensive , I think that if a New Network is created where the Effect of fees is minimized , not bad , then People will be more Willing to operate more. with Bitcoin , sometimes Almost 7 usd Because it harms the People , and Almost leaves it without priority because it takes a Long time for the transaction to Arrive , so Everything has its price, but in another aspect, as the Improvements are Coming , it is speculated that Bitcoin can reach over $100k and if this happens I don't want to imagine how Much the Transaction Fees will be , even if the BTC fraction is the one that Moves, because it always Turns out to be the Biggest problem all the Time , and that makes many people feel self-conscious About Moving some Btc.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 20, 2024, 07:17:12 PM
I think you should use wallet like Electrum, I'm not saying Trust wallet is bad but they are not free to use like to customize fees like you want and even if they might have updated that, they don't allow coin controls features and with this, you can't spend an outputs singularly and when they are joined together, it will make you pay more. The more the inputs you add together the more fees you will likely pay.
I can't agree more with you, I have used Electrum Wallet and I am well aware of the pros and cons of Electrum Wallet in compared to Trust wallet, as a matter of fact, I also suggest people to use electrum, but I have my own reasons due to which I was using TW and might be using for sometime. Shifting to Electrum overall is a little hard for me haha its looks funny but its the same feeling that we get when shifting from one home to a new one. So I don't want to leave the old one completely. hehe I hope you understand.

The only time that we might see fees in that range is going to be in bear market, that's the only time Bitcoin don't get demand and the lesser the demand, the less activity the Chain becomes and the less fee people pay for transaction, gradually on it own it will reduce to that level but not now in this bull run. Ordinals are also contributing to the increase in the fees.
You are right to some extent means we might see fee going to 1sat/vb in bear market but not because the demand is very low, and speaking of demand only, it is not going to decrease in future as it will be adopted in a lot of countries till 2028. Plus the value in dollars per sat is also going to increase overall. Which means even if the fee goes to 1sat/vb the dollar value will be higher than before due to inflation and the deflation factor of BTC price.

Halving is the main factor that will increase the price of tx more and more. Currently we are already seeing an increment and in future like after 1 or 2 months we will see where the tx fee will set there limits like what the average fee rate will be.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on April 20, 2024, 07:34:48 PM
I use exchange wallet and directly sell or convert to stable coins before withdrawing to bank account, for using bitcoin as transaction awhile need more patience with slowly transaction process and take higher fees for sending.
I would never recommend you to use exchange wallet for receiving your signature payments. I used to do that but a mixer named Sinbad was seized by SEC and all those members who had used their exchange's wallet got warning notification from the exchange.

I faced that issue myself for few days and later on I decided to use my own personal wallet for receiving of payments instead of going with an exchange's wallet. That's why I will never recommend anyone to use an exchange's wallet for receiving of funds.
Without being told, anyone should know that self costodial wallets are best when receiving funds, whether signature payments or any other payment. Using an exchange wallet may actually appear to be a lot more convenient but as you've experienced, they do not really guarantee the your privacy and sometimes the safety of your funds could be compromised.

Safety and privacy is primary and you should always be in full control of your funds without third party interference. And asides the security reasons, the protection of your financial data is also very crucial too. Exchange wallets could be easily tracked by the authorities incase something happens or goes wrong and you need to hide your identity, that won't be possible with exchange wallets.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: pacar_tiri on April 21, 2024, 05:17:29 PM
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It will still be look that way, BRC-20 or ordinals or Runes, the same effect on the network. And for average joe Bitcoin investors, it's not like we wanted to see the fees going up again.
I don't know what the Bitcoin network will be like when the Rune Protocol comes into existence and it will be a memecoin Protocol for Bitcoin and more NFTs that own memecoins.

Now the lowest transaction fee is at 10 sat/vb and the highest is 79 sat/vb, but I hope it doesn't give a bad congestion effect like in the last few months before when ordinal and BRC-20 appeared.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/18/j1GIC.png)
Currently mempool transaction fees are still increasing after the halving, even a few minutes after the halving transaction fees became very crazy, I don't know for sure why it is like that, does this have an impact because miners are starting to restart the machines so that many miners are shutting down the machine and making it difficult for validators to execute transactions so that costs increase very high.
(https://i.imgur.com/SgfSYMu.jpeg)
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 21, 2024, 07:28:06 PM
I don't know for sure why it is like that, does this have an impact because miners are starting to restart the machines so that many miners are shutting down the machine and making it difficult for validators to execute transactions so that costs increase very high.

Sorry, but nothing of what you say makes sense.
First, there are no validators on Bitcoin, there are only nodes, nodes don't have a say in the fees, they just check the validity of a transaction.
I don't understand how miners are starting to restart machines and end up with miners shutting down, again no sense in this, and again it's not happening, the expected difficulty is still in green so there are more miners active now than two weeks ago.
Third, the number of miners has no influence on either the capacity of the chain or the fees.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: PX-Z on April 21, 2024, 11:35:34 PM
I used to do that but a mixer named Sinbad was seized by SEC and all those members who had used their exchange's wallet got warning notification from the exchange.
That's a wrong move though if you knew that the process if sending of the payment, that's why it's good to ask the manager if the funds were held by him or paid by the company itself.
But yeah, regardless of the reason if who is the sender, you should always use a non-custodial wallet for safety, privacy and more security reasons.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on April 22, 2024, 09:13:15 AM
The average bitcoin transaction fee has fallen to $34 after reaching $127 triggered by the launch of Runes, data from the Blockchain platform shows.

Daily revenue for miners reached a record $106.7 million on April 20, Glassnode data shows. 75% of the figure came from commissions paid for hitting the historic first block after halving.


(https://i.ibb.co/zRYBrVr/photo-2024-04-22-10-09-46.jpg)
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: SamReomo on April 22, 2024, 12:11:09 PM
That's a wrong move though if you knew that the process if sending of the payment, that's why it's good to ask the manager if the funds were held by him or paid by the company itself.
But yeah, regardless of the reason if who is the sender, you should always use a non-custodial wallet for safety, privacy and more security reasons.
Yeah, it was a wrong move but I learnt a lesson from it. One should never use a custodial wallet or an exchange's wallet for the signature payments. Although, the escrow wallet of Sinbad was handled by Royse, but still it's always better to use your own personal wallet for receiving of payments instead of relying on custodial wallets.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 22, 2024, 03:49:53 PM
The average bitcoin transaction fee has fallen to $34 after reaching $127 triggered by the launch of Runes, data from the Blockchain platform shows.

Daily revenue for miners reached a record $106.7 million on April 20, Glassnode data shows. 75% of the figure came from commissions paid for hitting the historic first block after halving.


The fee dropped to 150sat/vb market since yesterday.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/22/jbjAv.png)

Still the fee is quite high and not suitable for smaller payments, since the spammers found a way to abuse the mempool with inscriptions, is it really possible for them to be moved to L2 layer which is the only hope right now to keep the blockchain unable for every transaction.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on April 22, 2024, 06:13:03 PM
The average bitcoin transaction fee has fallen to $34 after reaching $127 triggered by the launch of Runes, data from the Blockchain platform shows.

Daily revenue for miners reached a record $106.7 million on April 20, Glassnode data shows. 75% of the figure came from commissions paid for hitting the historic first block after halving.


The fee dropped to 150sat/vb market since yesterday.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/22/jbjAv.png)

Still the fee is quite high and not suitable for smaller payments, since the spammers found a way to abuse the mempool with inscriptions, is it really possible for them to be moved to L2 layer which is the only hope right now to keep the blockchain unable for every transaction.
If I understand you correctly, then I suppose you are asking a question, so my answer would be that "I don't know, but then, I do not think it's possible", if it was, I believe someone in the bitcoin blockchain #DevelopmentTeam  who also feel bad for the high transaction fees would have suggested this idea.

I mean, taking ethereum as an example, we have several EVM compatible blockchains running as layer 2 of Ethereum, completely independent on the ethereum blockchain, this move or ability have eased what would have been a heavy network load on the ethereum blockchain.
If it was possible for ordinals and inscriptions to build a layer 2 blockchain that is supported by bitcoin but completely independent on the bitcoin network, this would have been a good thing to do, and sure would easy the constant mempool congestion on the bitcoin network.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bitmover on April 22, 2024, 06:57:31 PM
Still the fee is quite high and not suitable for smaller payments, since the spammers found a way to abuse the mempool with inscriptions, is it really possible for them to be moved to L2 layer which is the only hope right now to keep the blockchain unable for every transaction.
If I understand you correctly, then I suppose you are asking a question, so my answer would be that "I don't know, but then, I do not think it's possible", if it was, I believe someone in the bitcoin blockchain #DevelopmentTeam  who also feel bad for the high transaction fees would have suggested this idea.

I mean, taking ethereum as an example, we have several EVM compatible blockchains running as layer 2 of Ethereum, completely independent on the ethereum blockchain, this move or ability have eased what would have been a heavy network load on the ethereum blockchain.
If it was possible for ordinals and inscriptions to build a layer 2 blockchain that is supported by bitcoin but completely independent on the bitcoin network, this would have been a good thing to do, and sure would easy the constant mempool congestion on the bitcoin network.
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I also would love to see those ordinal/runes using a Layer 2 solution.

however, there aren't any decent layer 2 in bitcoin right now. Maybe the best one is Liquid?

I think Lightning Network has very serious User Interface issues, and it is very hard to use.

Maybe those ordinals will speed up L2 solutions
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: examplens on April 23, 2024, 02:00:53 PM
I also would love to see those ordinal/runes using a Layer 2 solution.

however, there aren't any decent layer 2 in bitcoin right now. Maybe the best one is Liquid?

I think Lightning Network has very serious User Interface issues, and it is very hard to use.

Maybe those ordinals will speed up L2 solutions

Something has to be done because the Runes trolls will not give up until they screw up the Bitcoin network.
We will also have gaming in the Bitcoin network.

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GAMETY and Runes Protocol: Pioneering the Future of Blockchain Gaming on Bitcoin
https://medium.com/@metafighter/gamety-and-runes-protocol-pioneering-the-future-of-blockchain-gaming-on-bitcoin-668074762cec
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bitmover on April 23, 2024, 06:34:29 PM
Something has to be done because the Runes trolls will not give up until they screw up the Bitcoin network.
We will also have gaming in the Bitcoin network.

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GAMETY and Runes Protocol: Pioneering the Future of Blockchain Gaming on Bitcoin
https://medium.com/@metafighter/gamety-and-runes-protocol-pioneering-the-future-of-blockchain-gaming-on-bitcoin-668074762cec

I think the community should really think about those other uses of the bitcoin network.

Bitcoin is extremely successful as a p2p electronic cash and financial reserve.

These other use cases might cause serious damage to the main use case.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: dkbit98 on April 23, 2024, 09:55:24 PM
These other use cases might cause serious damage to the main use case.
You can't prevent people to use money however they want, even if that doesn't make any sense to most of us, and this is even more important for open source money like Bitcoin.
If it wasn't for runes, there was ordinals, and before them it was normal transactions that created very high fees and stuck mempool.
Bitcoin in current state is obviously not p2p money, especially if we are forced to use something like Lightning.
It's obvious that something needs to change, and I think Bitcoin sidechains could be a good solution.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bitmover on April 24, 2024, 04:40:03 AM
These other use cases might cause serious damage to the main use case.
You can't prevent people to use money however they want, even if that doesn't make any sense to most of us, and this is even more important for open source money like Bitcoin.

The point is that they are not using money. They are storing short videos (runes) and images and in the future games.

Imagine if you try to use your visa card and it won't work because someone is using their network to watch porn. Basically the same imo.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bayu7adi on April 24, 2024, 11:45:25 AM
As far as I know, high fees from transactions that occur on the Bitcoin Blockchain network always return to normal after some time... hype is still one of the triggers for dense transactions on the network and there are fee wars to get ahead of each other in transactions.

A few days ago, transaction fees on the Bitcoin Blockchain network also experienced a fantastic increase... up to 1,400 sat/vb and that happened on the same day when the Bitcoin halving occurred.. However, look now... transaction fees for the fastest it has dropped to 140 sat/vb... although not as low as before, this is a drastic decrease.

I'm sure that high fees on the Bitcoin blockchain network are just a matter of time and will return to normal after some time.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: examplens on April 24, 2024, 05:08:27 PM
Are Runers bored, the fee is slowly going down.

(https://bitcoindata.science/api/bitcoinfees.php?&currency=USD&hex=000000) (https://bitcoindata.science/bitcointalk-api.html#bitcoin-fees)
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 24, 2024, 05:21:07 PM
If it was possible for ordinals and inscriptions to build a layer 2 blockchain that is supported by bitcoin but completely independent on the bitcoin network, this would have been a good thing to do, and sure would easy the constant mempool congestion on the bitcoin network.

Think of public transport and personal car.
You will not make people drop their car unless you tax them for one and you offer them a cheaper reliable alternative.

Why would rune and ordinals go to the second layer when this means losing their main marketing point?
By just offering an alternative and not forcing them somehow this will be always the path not taken, it will only work the other way, making normal users migrate to the l2 since they can't afford the fees. But since to migrate you need to first pay....back to square 1.

Imagine if you try to use your visa card and it won't work because someone is using their network to watch porn. Basically the same imo.

Neah, it's more like in the early days of the internet, someone torrenting in the block of flats was destroying the speed for everyone else.
Things are not like that anymore and everyone can download at 500Mbps, cause....capacity!  ;)

I'm sure that high fees on the Bitcoin blockchain network are just a matter of time and will return to normal after some time.

Define normal!

Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Gurujebs on April 24, 2024, 06:12:25 PM
The fee dropped to 150sat/vb market since yesterday.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/22/jbjAv.png)

Still the fee is quite high and not suitable for smaller payments, since the spammers found a way to abuse the mempool with inscriptions, is it really possible for them to be moved to L2 layer which is the only hope right now to keep the blockchain unable for every transaction.

Sometimes I asked myself if Bitcoin that we are are clamoring to be number is even the best with this decentralization, security and scalability. We all can agreed that Bitcoin is fully decentralized but on the issue of security and scalability issues, it's debatable because why watch people send a vector spam on the mempool which reduced chance of transaction.

Another question is that why are the miners not doing anything about this attack on mempool, it seems they enjoy the fees they make from transactions that's why they haven't fix this, Bitcoin is just what it is but it's not the best if we want to be sincere enough.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 24, 2024, 06:21:03 PM

Another question is that why are the miners not doing anything about this attack on mempool, it seems they enjoy the fees they make from transactions that's why they haven't fix this, Bitcoin is just what it is but it's not the best if we want to be sincere enough.

Miners are here to make money so they just stick with their principle of prioritising TXs that pays higher fee.

If we want things to change then it should be made by the devs that should eliminate these spams transactions congesting the network and there are also some people out there who debate against doing this cause the real decentralisation means users should be allowed whatever they can.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 24, 2024, 06:56:30 PM
The fee dropped to 150sat/vb market since yesterday.

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/22/jbjAv.png)

Still the fee is quite high and not suitable for smaller payments, since the spammers found a way to abuse the mempool with inscriptions, is it really possible for them to be moved to L2 layer which is the only hope right now to keep the blockchain unable for every transaction.

Sometimes I asked myself if Bitcoin that we are are clamoring to be number is even the best with this decentralization, security and scalability. We all can agreed that Bitcoin is fully decentralized but on the issue of security and scalability issues, it's debatable because why watch people send a vector spam on the mempool which reduced chance of transaction.

Another question is that why are the miners not doing anything about this attack on mempool, it seems they enjoy the fees they make from transactions that's why they haven't fix this, Bitcoin is just what it is but it's not the best if we want to be sincere enough.

Am not in support for ordinals, but we have to consider the challenge as a temporary one, though it has been escalating before now and it seems to be getting more worsened than before, we should expect a long and lasting solution soon as this may not be what we can encounter for life, which shouldn't also serves as barrier to how effective we are going to engage on making use of bitcoin for our daily transactions.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on April 24, 2024, 07:45:27 PM
Am not in support for ordinals, but we have to consider the challenge as a temporary one, though it has been escalating before now and it seems to be getting more worsened than before, we should expect a long and lasting solution soon as this may not be what we can encounter for life, which shouldn't also serves as barrier to how effective we are going to engage on making use of bitcoin for our daily transactions.
Well, to be honest with you, with all that has happened so far, I think we should just see bitcoin for what it truely and really is, which is a digital gold and a very good store of value, it no longer makes sense to consider bitcoin to be good to be  used for day to day payment for goods and services like what Satoshi envisioned initially.
Right now, I think it's clear that Bitcoin can't really win in both ways, that is, become a digital gold/a good store of value, and still be considered as a good alternative for payment for goods and service for our day to day activities.

I agree that the high fees will definitely return back to normal again some time in the future no one knows, but then, what's the guarantee that it won't happen again? None if you ask me.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: dkbit98 on April 24, 2024, 08:57:23 PM
The point is that they are not using money. They are storing short videos (runes) and images and in the future games.
Making transaction on blockchain IS using a money aka Bitcoin.
It doesn't really matter how and why someone is making stupid transactions like this, or what information they are trying to share with others.
I think taproot update enabled all this and there is no going back now, it would be even worse if some censorship would be applied because of this.




Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Litzki1990 on April 25, 2024, 09:52:15 AM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
I don't know why the problem of Bitcoin's excessive transaction fees does not want to end. Last night the problem of Bitcoin's excessive transaction fees may have been temporarily removed as last night we saw Mempool drop significantly lower than the previous few days. When we need to trade bitcoins we can't trade bitcoins because of the extra transaction fee problem but we miss the opportunity to trade when Mempool comes back to some normal level. Why is the problem of excessive transaction fees of Bitcoin not solved permanently? If there was a permanent solution then we could easily trade bitcoin whenever we want.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bhadz on April 25, 2024, 11:03:54 AM
As much as I don't want to accept it as a new norm for Bitcoin, it seems that we'd see more often spams on the network soon. The fees are starting to get down for now but compared to before, it's still quite high. We have to accept the fact that whenever the bull run is coming, something like this could commence. But let's all hope for the best for Bitcoin that there will be changes and the stability of Bitcoin's low fee will be the new norm next time.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: robelneo on April 25, 2024, 04:48:15 PM
As much as I don't want to accept it as a new norm for Bitcoin, it seems that we'd see more often spams on the network soon. The fees are starting to get down for now but compared to before, it's still quite high. We have to accept the fact that whenever the bull run is coming, something like this could commence. But let's all hope for the best for Bitcoin that there will be changes and the stability of Bitcoin's low fee will be the new norm next time.

The gap before this was 4 months so it's going to be recurring we just don't know after it normalizes when the next disruption will be, so from now on we should have an alternative, and that includes platforms and merchants.

With this, altcoins will take the spotlight, right now my choice is USDT, Bitcoin's dominance if this continues will go down right now it is 52% because of the halving, we don't know in the coming months.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: 0t3p0t on April 25, 2024, 05:01:25 PM
It's now down to more or less $5 so it's good to have transaction right now as it might go back up again later on. But if the fee will continue to drop I think it would be better since that is the only way transactions will become convenient and worth it. But my transaction just recently got me I think that was more or less $15 for a small amount of Bitcoin transfer.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Gurujebs on April 25, 2024, 06:04:21 PM
It's now down to more or less $5 so it's good to have transaction right now as it might go back up again later on. But if the fee will continue to drop I think it would be better since that is the only way transactions will become convenient and worth it. But my transaction just recently got me I think that was more or less $15 for a small amount of Bitcoin transfer.

Isn't it strange that transaction just become less empty in the memory pool within yesterday or those guys just stop their attack? With this development we should have more less fees during the weekend and I hope to see my stuck transactions comes out of the mempool and be verified as soon as possible.

By the way, I want to see some relationship between how Bitcoin price and the amount miners will be able to make monthly since the halving reward has reduce by half, maybe they will continue to manipulate the mempool to suit their revenue or not.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on April 29, 2024, 09:33:37 AM
It's just awful. Now everything hangs online, no idea when the situation will be +/- better. But clearly it will not be for one week. The same problem was already at the beginning of the year, so those who are worried about it, I advise not to think about it too much. In time, everything will fall into place, it's just a matter of time.  ;D

P.S. I also have transactions hang, so you are not the only one who has encountered this problem.  ???
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on April 29, 2024, 04:41:42 PM
Isn't it strange that transaction just become less empty in the memory pool within yesterday or those guys just stop their attack? With this development we should have more less fees during the weekend and I hope to see my stuck transactions comes out of the mempool and be verified as soon as possible.

The weekend is always low on transactions, it has been that for years, the lowest point is usually right before the working day on Monday begins for Central Europe, that's when Asia is fully awake and back and activity starts picking up in the western part also, you can see that we dropped to 16sat/vb during that time.

Nothing new, it started to look just as road traffic, pretty predictable!

It's just awful. Now everything hangs online, no idea when the situation will be +/- better. But clearly it will not be for one week.

One week ago we had 70vMB over 10sat/vb in the mempool, now we're down to 30vMB,  assuming no spike in inscriptions even with them keeping the same pace as the week before we might touch under 10sat/vb by next weekend.

Also, there is Labour day and the Orthodox Easter so that would also put a dent in the mempool.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: SmartGold01 on April 29, 2024, 07:04:48 PM
The weekend is always low on transactions, it has been that for years, the lowest point is usually right before the working day on Monday begins for Central Europe, that's when Asia is fully awake and back and activity starts picking up in the western part also, you can see that we dropped to 16sat/vb during that time.

Nothing new, it started to look just as road traffic, pretty predictable!

I never come to know about this but sometimes I do noticed something like this, I don't know is real because when I do carry out transaction on weekend, like Saturday or Sunday I usually observed that network fee is always low, but from Monday to Friday I often see it very higher even without the Runes compromising the network that cause the surge of gas fee to that level it was last week.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: EthereumDev_ on April 30, 2024, 10:08:58 AM
The weekend is always low on transactions, it has been that for years, the lowest point is usually right before the working day on Monday begins for Central Europe, that's when Asia is fully awake and back and activity starts picking up in the western part also, you can see that we dropped to 16sat/vb during that time.

Nothing new, it started to look just as road traffic, pretty predictable!

I never come to know about this but sometimes I do noticed something like this, I don't know is real because when I do carry out transaction on weekend, like Saturday or Sunday I usually observed that network fee is always low, but from Monday to Friday I often see it very higher even without the Runes compromising the network that cause the surge of gas fee to that level it was last week.
Usually I make transactions at certain times and not using the daily method like you do. We know that humans need time to sleep and stop all their activities, so I take advantage of opportunities like that to make transactions and so far it is quite efficient because I always get transaction fees. which is quite low.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bitbit97 on April 30, 2024, 11:33:16 AM
Something makes me feel, that we are going to see high fees again. Here is why. First I saw really high fees about half a year ago, then I saw them again somewhere in January, and again after halving. For me shows that someone really likes them and earns good on them, otherwise they wont have repeated. So while we see situation is being normalized, someone somewhere thinks what to invent next (and people cant stop inventing new) for blockchain, that obviously is going to push fees up high again. It isnt have to be a malice, but a pure curiosity.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: doc on April 30, 2024, 02:24:56 PM
The weekend is always low on transactions, it has been that for years, the lowest point is usually right before the working day on Monday begins for Central Europe, that's when Asia is fully awake and back and activity starts picking up in the western part also, you can see that we dropped to 16sat/vb during that time.

Nothing new, it started to look just as road traffic, pretty predictable!

I never come to know about this but sometimes I do noticed something like this, I don't know is real because when I do carry out transaction on weekend, like Saturday or Sunday I usually observed that network fee is always low, but from Monday to Friday I often see it very higher even without the Runes compromising the network that cause the surge of gas fee to that level it was last week.
Usually I make transactions at certain times and not using the daily method like you do. We know that humans need time to sleep and stop all their activities, so I take advantage of opportunities like that to make transactions and so far it is quite efficient because I always get transaction fees. which is quite low.
You are smart in finding the right time to get lower gas fees. I sometimes have difficulty waiting when the gas fee will go down. I tried it several times and avoided rush hours where there is high traffic and in the end I also got a cheap fee.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Gladitorcomeback on May 01, 2024, 03:49:09 AM
Something makes me feel, that we are going to see high fees again. Here is why. First I saw really high fees about half a year ago, then I saw them again somewhere in January, and again after halving. For me shows that someone really likes them and earns good on them, otherwise they wont have repeated. So while we see situation is being normalized, someone somewhere thinks what to invent next (and people cant stop inventing new) for blockchain, that obviously is going to push fees up high again. It isnt have to be a malice, but a pure curiosity.

It's not as easy as you make it sound. Bitcoin's transaction fees aren't in the control of an individual and it's not that easy for someone to invent something that would make the network become congested and fees soar high once again because even if someone does that, it depends on whether people will use it or not just like ordinals, so even if someone tries, they can't succeed in doing that.

However, there is no doubt that this wasn't the last time for fees to go so high, and we are surely going to see something similar again very soon, but the reason would only be the excess of dust transactions or a lot of investors getting into the market at once.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: dwyane36 on May 01, 2024, 12:05:35 PM
However, there is no doubt that this wasn't the last time for fees to go so high, and we are surely going to see something similar again very soon, but the reason would only be the excess of dust transactions or a lot of investors getting into the market at once.

To be honest, I initially expected that the high fees after halving would be for a longer time, but as we can see, the hype around the runes came to naught quite quickly. Nevertheless, you're right to point out that there will still be such bursts of activity in the Bitcoin network. There will probably be at least a couple more times this year.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: bitbit97 on May 01, 2024, 06:56:45 PM
Something makes me feel, that we are going to see high fees again. Here is why. First I saw really high fees about half a year ago, then I saw them again somewhere in January, and again after halving. For me shows that someone really likes them and earns good on them, otherwise they wont have repeated. So while we see situation is being normalized, someone somewhere thinks what to invent next (and people cant stop inventing new) for blockchain, that obviously is going to push fees up high again. It isnt have to be a malice, but a pure curiosity.

It's not as easy as you make it sound. Bitcoin's transaction fees aren't in the control of an individual and it's not that easy for someone to invent something that would make the network become congested and fees soar high once again because even if someone does that, it depends on whether people will use it or not just like ordinals, so even if someone tries, they can't succeed in doing that.

However, there is no doubt that this wasn't the last time for fees to go so high, and we are surely going to see something similar again very soon, but the reason would only be the excess of dust transactions or a lot of investors getting into the market at once.

Indeed bitcoin isnt controlled by individuals, but still someone created NFTs on bitcoin blockchain, we got runes recently. And there is more to come. Why dont we have something like meme-coins on bitcoin blockchain? Or lots of metaverse madness? That is a good idea to think how to implement that to bitcoin blockchain, and that person will get rich. I expect more things that were once in trend in crypto to appear on bitcoin blockchain one day.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: NotATether on May 02, 2024, 12:52:27 PM
Indeed bitcoin isnt controlled by individuals, but still someone created NFTs on bitcoin blockchain, we got runes recently. And there is more to come. Why dont we have something like meme-coins on bitcoin blockchain? Or lots of metaverse madness? That is a good idea to think how to implement that to bitcoin blockchain, and that person will get rich. I expect more things that were once in trend in crypto to appear on bitcoin blockchain one day.

We have a word for that in the English dictionary. It's called "greed".

Many awesome internet sites were ruined by greed.

First, YouTube. Youtube became so corporate that it drove normal users and creators off the platform. Then, the enshittification of most social media websites followed. And now, Twitter and Reddit have been gutted recently. And that's not to mention all the offline experiences that were ruined by some people who wanted to get extremely rich.

You're supposed to do entrepreneurship by making people's lives better, not by making them worse.

For Bitcoin it is not any different. I was initially sympathetic of Rodarmor when he made Ordinals, but with Runes now he is just showing that he's after the money.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: ABCbits on May 02, 2024, 01:04:47 PM
Indeed bitcoin isnt controlled by individuals, but still someone created NFTs on bitcoin blockchain, we got runes recently. And there is more to come. Why dont we have something like meme-coins on bitcoin blockchain? Or lots of metaverse madness? That is a good idea to think how to implement that to bitcoin blockchain, and that person will get rich. I expect more things that were once in trend in crypto to appear on bitcoin blockchain one day.

Normally i would say "Don't give them idea". But quick google search shows it's already exist,
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/pepe-ordinals (https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/pepe-ordinals) (it's meme token rather than meme coin)
https://help.magiceden.io/en/articles/8175699-understanding-bitmap-and-the-ordinals-metaverse (https://help.magiceden.io/en/articles/8175699-understanding-bitmap-and-the-ordinals-metaverse)

I really hope those trend would use Bitcoin sidechain, layer 2 or LN though.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: SmartGold01 on May 02, 2024, 01:24:27 PM
I never come to know about this but sometimes I do noticed something like this, I don't know is real because when I do carry out transaction on weekend, like Saturday or Sunday I usually observed that network fee is always low, but from Monday to Friday I often see it very higher even without the Runes compromising the network that cause the surge of gas fee to that level it was last week.
Usually I make transactions at certain times and not using the daily method like you do. We know that humans need time to sleep and stop all their activities, so I take advantage of opportunities like that to make transactions and so far it is quite efficient because I always get transaction fees. which is quite low.
I see now, this cool anyway but most times it's very hard to know when is the normal time to carry out transaction at the night since we don't share same time zone, for instance the Asian and Africans, North American and the Europeans.
Whenever someone can be able to detects all this then he can surely know the right time to carry out transactions without waiting for the weekend pee say.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: KingsDen on May 02, 2024, 04:25:14 PM
I never come to know about this but sometimes I do noticed something like this, I don't know is real because when I do carry out transaction on weekend, like Saturday or Sunday I usually observed that network fee is always low, but from Monday to Friday I often see it very higher even without the Runes compromising the network that cause the surge of gas fee to that level it was last week.
Usually I make transactions at certain times and not using the daily method like you do. We know that humans need time to sleep and stop all their activities, so I take advantage of opportunities like that to make transactions and so far it is quite efficient because I always get transaction fees. which is quite low.
I see now, this cool anyway but most times it's very hard to know when is the normal time to carry out transaction at the night since we don't share same time zone, for instance the Asian and Africans, North American and the Europeans.
Whenever someone can be able to detects all this then he can surely know the right time to carry out transactions without waiting for the weekend pee say.
I unconsciously noticed that it is not fine to make transactions on Mondays and Wednesdays, especially the afternoon. I always go with weekend midnights. Transaction fee are relatively cheap and also the time lesser. So, I had sticked to this method before the main congestions started.

@SmartGold, the time zone has a way to take care of itself. All the miners are not in one time zone. So the situation sorts itself out.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: SmartGold01 on May 02, 2024, 04:50:19 PM
I never come to know about this but sometimes I do noticed something like this, I don't know is real because when I do carry out transaction on weekend, like Saturday or Sunday I usually observed that network fee is always low, but from Monday to Friday I often see it very higher even without the Runes compromising the network that cause the surge of gas fee to that level it was last week.
Usually I make transactions at certain times and not using the daily method like you do. We know that humans need time to sleep and stop all their activities, so I take advantage of opportunities like that to make transactions and so far it is quite efficient because I always get transaction fees. which is quite low.
I see now, this cool anyway but most times it's very hard to know when is the normal time to carry out transaction at the night since we don't share same time zone, for instance the Asian and Africans, North American and the Europeans.
Whenever someone can be able to detects all this then he can surely know the right time to carry out transactions without waiting for the weekend pee say.
I unconsciously noticed that it is not fine to make transactions on Mondays and Wednesdays, especially the afternoon. I always go with weekend midnights. Transaction fee are relatively cheap and also the time lesser. So, I had sticked to this method before the main congestions started.

@SmartGold, the time zone has a way to take care of itself. All the miners are not in one time zone. So the situation sorts itself out.
Thank you KingsDen then I have to relatively stick to weekend if so, few many people has already recommended weekend transaction.
I will check this weekend to how cheap it could be.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Findingnemo on May 02, 2024, 06:31:55 PM
I will check this weekend to how cheap it could be.

Already the fee went down 16sat/vb and that could be the cheapest for near term cause there is much TXs that left below this rate which makes it not really possible to go beyond this fee rate at the moment.

But definitely 16sat is a lot cheaper and congestion due to runes cleared pretty quick than expected.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Charles-Tim on May 02, 2024, 07:17:03 PM
Already the fee went down 16sat/vb and that could be the cheapest for near term cause there is much TXs that left below this rate which makes it not really possible to go beyond this fee rate at the moment.
The Runes can be the problem in the next bullrun. I have not seen the fee rate gone up to 2000 sat/vbyte before. I do not think that has happen before in history of bitcoin. If Runes hype come again, it will be another network spamming.

But definitely 16sat is a lot cheaper and congestion due to runes cleared pretty quick than expected.
Before we were using 1 sat/vbyte when the network was less congested. 16 sat/vbyte means the transaction is now 16 times more than what we have enjoyed in the past.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Gurujebs on May 02, 2024, 07:33:53 PM
Indeed bitcoin isnt controlled by individuals, but still someone created NFTs on bitcoin blockchain, we got runes recently. And there is more to come. Why dont we have something like meme-coins on bitcoin blockchain? Or lots of metaverse madness? That is a good idea to think how to implement that to bitcoin blockchain, and that person will get rich. I expect more things that were once in trend in crypto to appear on bitcoin blockchain one day.

If there is any one that is capable of doing all of these that you mentioned, it's going to be nobody but one greedy miner. If we take 100% of people that will confidently tells you that they bought things that were listed on Bitcoin network be it ordinals, brc tokens and NFTs, they are just less number of people that own bitcoin and most of these creativity didn't do well. Who is now benefiting from all of this, it's nobody but miners because they are the only people that refuse to listen to people about this shitty activity on the Bitcoin network.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on May 02, 2024, 09:10:58 PM
Indeed bitcoin isnt controlled by individuals, but still someone created NFTs on bitcoin blockchain, we got runes recently. And there is more to come. Why dont we have something like meme-coins on bitcoin blockchain? Or lots of metaverse madness? That is a good idea to think how to implement that to bitcoin blockchain, and that person will get rich. I expect more things that were once in trend in crypto to appear on bitcoin blockchain one day.

If there is any one that is capable of doing all of these that you mentioned, it's going to be nobody but one greedy miner. If we take 100% of people that will confidently tells you that they bought things that were listed on Bitcoin network be it ordinals, brc tokens and NFTs, they are just less number of people that own bitcoin and most of these creativity didn't do well. Who is now benefiting from all of this, it's nobody but miners because they are the only people that refuse to listen to people about this shitty activity on the Bitcoin network.

The idea was something different from what we later found out with the implementation of what they have done earlier, the idea begins from how they have thought about increasing blocks size a d that is all,  never to know that such could transpired to having ordinals to the bitcoin network, what we are seeing today as ordinals challenge is what won't last for long because even the miners have their own season they earn more and less, there is nothing permanent in life.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: SmartGold01 on May 02, 2024, 11:44:26 PM
I will check this weekend to how cheap it could be.

Already the fee went down 16sat/vb and that could be the cheapest for near term cause there is much TXs that left below this rate which makes it not really possible to go beyond this fee rate at the moment.

But definitely 16sat is a lot cheaper and congestion due to runes cleared pretty quick than expected.
I checked mempool.space and noticed same thing, for being It has never been this low right from the second week of halving, even as halving ends it's not still that cool making transactions except for this evening. Sincerely the runes really came to cause serious distraction and attack on the bitcoin chain.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on May 03, 2024, 01:56:42 AM
I will check this weekend to how cheap it could be.

Already the fee went down 16sat/vb and that could be the cheapest for near term cause there is much TXs that left below this rate which makes it not really possible to go beyond this fee rate at the moment.

But definitely 16sat is a lot cheaper and congestion due to runes cleared pretty quick than expected.
I checked mempool.space and noticed same thing, for being It has never been this low right from the second week of halving, even as halving ends it's not still that cool making transactions except for this evening. Sincerely the runes really came to cause serious distraction and attack on the bitcoin chain.
Yeah the memepool has indeed been really empty lately, which means that the volume of transactions on the network has been relatively low.
We can indeed consider this to be abnormally unusual, especially after considering that the just concluded halving was supposed to typically increase the number of activities that goes on in the network.

Saying that the Rune token  airdrop was one of the reasons for this unusual behaviour in the network because it has really caused a lot distractions and congestion on the network making the memepool to be relatively empty and leading to transactions being slowed down and also paying high fees for a single transaction.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Findingnemo on May 03, 2024, 03:25:17 AM

The Runes can be the problem in the next bullrun. I have not seen the fee rate gone up to 2000 sat/vbyte before. I do not think that has happen before in history of bitcoin. If Runes hype come again, it will be another network spamming.


AFAIK, in 2018 we had a similar period when the fee went crazy like 500sat/vb for a little longer than what we had witnessed after this halving but over 1200sat/vb is the first time ever.

The inscriptions should be moved to Layer to or else this high fee and congestion will never come to an end, we have to remember this much of congestion is just only dew to a few projects, imagine everyone going after brc20 projects due to this success?

That would lead to total mess.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Litzki1990 on May 03, 2024, 04:17:44 AM
I will check this weekend to how cheap it could be.

Already the fee went down 16sat/vb and that could be the cheapest for near term cause there is much TXs that left below this rate which makes it not really possible to go beyond this fee rate at the moment.

But definitely 16sat is a lot cheaper and congestion due to runes cleared pretty quick than expected.
I checked mempool.space and noticed same thing, for being It has never been this low right from the second week of halving, even as halving ends it's not still that cool making transactions except for this evening. Sincerely the runes really came to cause serious distraction and attack on the bitcoin chain.
Bitcoin transaction fees are now much lower than at other times, but it still costs a user two and a half to three dollars to complete a transaction. I think $2 and a half to $5 more as a transaction fee for those doing $20 to $50 transactions. The transaction fee should be lower so that all types of investors or all bitcoin users can trade bitcoin with ease and not worry much about trading bitcoin.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: de_prof on May 03, 2024, 04:29:52 AM
The immediate increase of transaction fee is cause by a network congestion. So we need to focus on how we can solve the congestion. This similar problem is trying to be solved by the second largest cryptocurrency which is ETH but it won't work. If ever the time will come that the network congestion is solved, the problem of high fees will never end. When the price of Bitcoin increases, as well as the fee.
Yes, when traffic is high there will be an increase in gas fees, this makes many investors complain. Ethereum does not have a high gas fee solution, because it is still expensive until now. This is what makes users switch to Binance smart chain, Solana and Tron.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: jeraldskie11 on May 03, 2024, 08:46:11 AM
The immediate increase of transaction fee is cause by a network congestion. So we need to focus on how we can solve the congestion. This similar problem is trying to be solved by the second largest cryptocurrency which is ETH but it won't work. If ever the time will come that the network congestion is solved, the problem of high fees will never end. When the price of Bitcoin increases, as well as the fee.
Yes, when traffic is high there will be an increase in gas fees, this makes many investors complain. Ethereum does not have a high gas fee solution, because it is still expensive until now. This is what makes users switch to Binance smart chain, Solana and Tron.
Yes, several investors switched to other networks to reduce fees while transferring or trading their assets. But instead of seeing Eth decline due of that difficulty, it remains at the top, and even Solana, which has been in the trend for a while, cannot surpass Eth. Probably, heavy gas fees did not disturb their investors; only tiny investors were affected by these high fees.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on May 04, 2024, 08:12:49 PM
We can indeed consider this to be abnormally unusual, especially after considering that the just concluded halving was supposed to typically increase the number of activities that goes on in the network.

Why would it?
From the average users perspective pre halving or post halving he had the same incentive to transfer coins, there was no major price change that would have triggered transactions and besides, even it were so we haven't seen any spikes in tx even when we have in December and Janaury more than 2x.
On-chain activity has been at its lowest for years already, if it wasn't for ordinals half empty blocks would be a daily occurrence.

The transaction fee should be lower so that all types of investors or all bitcoin users can trade bitcoin with ease and not worry much about trading bitcoin.

Trading has nothing to do with the fees on chain, you don't move coins all day if you want to have coins on exchange to trade them.


Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: LogitechMouse on May 05, 2024, 04:59:20 PM
As we all know Bitcoin network is facing high fee due to congestion since the last years especially from ordinals but it came back to normal then again hike and it keep on loop mode?

So this is something that we have to accept as new normal or we can still hope that Bitcoin fee will reach 1sat/vb to include our TX in the upcoming block?
1 sat/vb for me is kind of impossible to happen anymore.
I believe that the transaction fees of Bitcoin right now will go at around 1$ at least.

Currently, the transaction fee of Bitcoin is at around 30 sat/vb which is around 2.5$ base on Mempool. I remember a few days after the halving event where the transaction fees went to as high as $200 I think just because of this Runes Protocol. Right now, it seems like it's coming back to normal already, but the normal transaction fees right now is at least a dollar.

With Ordinals and Runes congesting the network already, I expect more of it coming soon in Bitcoin and with that, expect higher fees in the future. :D
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: NotATether on May 09, 2024, 03:19:18 PM
There are blocks and blocks of 10 sat/vbyte transactions alone. Same for 5 sats/vbyte. But anyway, I am content with a 20 sat/vbyte fee for Bitcoin. As long as fees do not shoot up again, I think the conditions are going to be very good for making transactions for the next few weeks at least.

Although with the volatile nature of fees, you can't really predict anything.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Stompix on May 09, 2024, 04:43:51 PM
Fees are back to let's say acceptable levels for simple payments, meaning 1 input, and not buying a coffee.
The bad thing in this is that it also means usage is dead, the blocks are full of runes and ordinals, a ton of them are coinjoins, we had 100 fewer blocks in the last two weeks that would have cleared the patch down to 6sat/vb and it keeps dropping, so probably a lot of users have either gone altcoin or (hopefully LN) and you're not going to see them coming back too soon.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Google+ on May 11, 2024, 07:57:02 PM
Fees are back to let's say acceptable levels for simple payments, meaning 1 input, and not buying a coffee.
The bad thing in this is that it also means usage is dead, the blocks are full of runes and ordinals, a ton of them are coinjoins, we had 100 fewer blocks in the last two weeks that would have cleared the patch down to 6sat/vb and it keeps dropping, so probably a lot of users have either gone altcoin or (hopefully LN) and you're not going to see them coming back too soon.
That's right, fortunately at this time there is not too much use of the Ethereum network, which makes Ethereum transactions run smoothly without any obstacles and makes the gas fees required very cheap. Hopefully gas fees like this will last for a long time.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on May 12, 2024, 03:38:30 PM
Something makes me feel, that we are going to see high fees again. Here is why. First I saw really high fees about half a year ago, then I saw them again somewhere in January, and again after halving. For me shows that someone really likes them and earns good on them, otherwise they wont have repeated. So while we see situation is being normalized, someone somewhere thinks what to invent next (and people cant stop inventing new) for blockchain, that obviously is going to push fees up high again. It isnt have to be a malice, but a pure curiosity.
That's probably exactly what's going to happen. I wouldn't like it much, but +/- similar situations will happen again. As you can see, now the price for a transfer is already 6-10 dollars. For this reason, if there is no urgent need to transfer bitcoin - up to 2 weeks and the transfer price will return to previous prices.

P.S. I've got a few transactions stuck myself, come to expect a price reduction. Unpleasant that transactions were 2 weeks, alas nothing can be done. In this case, we are hostage to the situation, alas.  ::)
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on May 12, 2024, 05:50:15 PM
         -   Maybe the issue like that will not disappear in the bitcoin network in terms of fees. It seems that when there is traffic, you can expect our heads to heat up; of course, the network is congested. Now, if we want our transaction to be completed immediately, it is up to us if we are willing to pay a high fee, depending on whether you are the high bidder.

But that being said, not every opportunity is always traffic, so if we are patient and can wait, let's just do this so that we can still take advantage of it. Instead of paying high fees to the miners, we don't have to.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: NotATether on May 12, 2024, 06:16:54 PM
Fees are back to let's say acceptable levels for simple payments, meaning 1 input, and not buying a coffee.
The bad thing in this is that it also means usage is dead, the blocks are full of runes and ordinals, a ton of them are coinjoins, we had 100 fewer blocks in the last two weeks that would have cleared the patch down to 6sat/vb and it keeps dropping, so probably a lot of users have either gone altcoin or (hopefully LN) and you're not going to see them coming back too soon.
That's right, fortunately at this time there is not too much use of the Ethereum network, which makes Ethereum transactions run smoothly without any obstacles and makes the gas fees required very cheap. Hopefully gas fees like this will last for a long time.

No, I wouldn't say that. Ethereum always has a steady transaction volume, but these days you don't hear about transaction throughput that is as bad as Bitcoin's, because they have a higher TPS and block generation rate. In the past, it was an issue though (google CryptoKitties, which ironically reminds me of BRC-20) but I think the Ethereum developers have found a way to remedy that.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: Power420 on May 12, 2024, 06:35:50 PM
The 2024 halving saw the highest gas fee increase, never before in history has such a halving day occurred.  2024 Halving Maximum Bitcoin Holders Transaction Completed  Originally the increase was several times higher than current transaction fees, but the best bitcoin price increase in history will occur after the 2024 halving and the start of the bull run in 2025. So those who are still without investment should invest in Bitcoin quickly as this year will reap maximum benefits.
Title: Re: High fees is a never ending story?
Post by: alltalk on May 15, 2024, 12:54:01 PM
There are blocks and blocks of 10 sat/vbyte transactions alone. Same for 5 sats/vbyte. But anyway, I am content with a 20 sat/vbyte fee for Bitcoin. As long as fees do not shoot up again, I think the conditions are going to be very good for making transactions for the next few weeks at least.
The current transfer fees around 10 sat/vB, it is actually quite cheap. It's rather rare to see transfer fees of 5 sat/Vb or lower. If you are satisfied with the transfer fess around 20 sat/vB, it means you have no problem with the current transfer fees. With 20 sat/vB, your transaction will be faster. I'm actually doing the bad decision to customize the transfer fees few days ago, I set the transfer fees about 8 sat/vB. Until now, it cannot be processed, the transaction status is pending until now. There is no solution for this case, it just hope for the miracle that the transfer fees will be around 8 sat/vB again. This is a lesson, don't set too small transfer fees!!