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How would you describe mainly your activity with cryptos?

Saving
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Investing
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Trading
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Speculating
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Gambling
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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #180 on: May 11, 2024, 09:18:27 AM »
but actually at this time we don't really need that feature because when the price goes down we just hold onto our coins and the price will go up again.
It depends on the strategy applied for a person's trading or investment. Because if you think about it, the stock exchange would not include useless features, therefore the stop loss and stop limit features are often used by traders, especially daily traders who monitor prices every day.

Currently the price of Bitcoin is experiencing a correction again, there are still many reasons to hodl, and I'm sure some people have set their stop loss at a certain level according to the loss tolerance they can bear.

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #181 on: May 11, 2024, 02:45:50 PM »
but actually at this time we don't really need that feature because when the price goes down we just hold onto our coins and the price will go up again.
It depends on the strategy applied for a person's trading or investment. Because if you think about it, the stock exchange would not include useless features, therefore the stop loss and stop limit features are often used by traders, especially daily traders who monitor prices every day.

Currently the price of Bitcoin is experiencing a correction again, there are still many reasons to hodl, and I'm sure some people have set their stop loss at a certain level according to the loss tolerance they can bear.
As a trader, I prefer to use the stop loss feature for my altcoins. This minimizes the losses that I will experience, because market conditions are still undergoing correction, so we have to be careful in this matter.

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #182 on: May 11, 2024, 04:40:10 PM »
but actually at this time we don't really need that feature because when the price goes down we just hold onto our coins and the price will go up again.
It depends on the strategy applied for a person's trading or investment. Because if you think about it, the stock exchange would not include useless features, therefore the stop loss and stop limit features are often used by traders, especially daily traders who monitor prices every day.

Currently the price of Bitcoin is experiencing a correction again, there are still many reasons to hodl, and I'm sure some people have set their stop loss at a certain level according to the loss tolerance they can bear.
As a trader, I prefer to use the stop loss feature for my altcoins. This minimizes the losses that I will experience, because market conditions are still undergoing correction, so we have to be careful in this matter.

I never believe in Altcoin investing, only fools invest in Altcoins.  All and sundry investors only invest in Bitcoin because it is a trusted coin where investment is sure to lead to success. But investing in bitcoins must be done with long-term investment, long-term investment is the only way to get the most benefits. The higher the investment in Bitcoin, the higher the benefits.

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #183 on: May 11, 2024, 08:25:11 PM »
I never believe in Altcoin investing, only fools invest in Altcoins.  All and sundry investors only invest in Bitcoin because it is a trusted coin where investment is sure to lead to success. But investing in bitcoins must be done with long-term investment, long-term investment is the only way to get the most benefits. The higher the investment in Bitcoin, the higher the benefits.

Not every altcoin investor is a fool because there are so many individuals who are earning lots of money due to altcoins investment and there is no doubt that bitcoin is good investment assets but all the people around the world cannot afford this investment so altcoins is a better way to make money.

There are top altcoins like Ethereum and Solana about which you will have knowledge and you will also be familiar that with Ethereum investment the majority have earned a good amount but those who have not experienced investment in top altcoins cannot understand the reality.
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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #184 on: May 17, 2024, 02:24:48 AM »
I invest, I trade and I gamble. Lol. Most time, I invest on strong altcoins and Trade top coins..
I gamble with low cap shitcoins and I mostly lose money doing all these.. Although, I made profits in few especially when I used Bitget smart portfolio. But so far, I'm at loss.

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #185 on: May 17, 2024, 02:01:02 PM »
but actually at this time we don't really need that feature because when the price goes down we just hold onto our coins and the price will go up again.
It depends on the strategy applied for a person's trading or investment. Because if you think about it, the stock exchange would not include useless features, therefore the stop loss and stop limit features are often used by traders, especially daily traders who monitor prices every day.

Currently the price of Bitcoin is experiencing a correction again, there are still many reasons to hodl, and I'm sure some people have set their stop loss at a certain level according to the loss tolerance they can bear.
As a trader, I prefer to use the stop loss feature for my altcoins. This minimizes the losses that I will experience, because market conditions are still undergoing correction, so we have to be careful in this matter.
The market has been doing the stable attitude for a long time. It's trying to settle between $62-$64k but it just can't settle. I think it will correct again in 50k. Almost everyone who is an alt holder has set a stop loss limit. If there is any major change in the market then they will be safe there. Different strategies work for each trader. However, I am taking utmost caution in investing in altcoins at this time because there is a possibility of correction.

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #186 on: May 18, 2024, 09:21:09 PM »
but actually at this time we don't really need that feature because when the price goes down we just hold onto our coins and the price will go up again.
It depends on the strategy applied for a person's trading or investment. Because if you think about it, the stock exchange would not include useless features, therefore the stop loss and stop limit features are often used by traders, especially daily traders who monitor prices every day.

Currently the price of Bitcoin is experiencing a correction again, there are still many reasons to hodl, and I'm sure some people have set their stop loss at a certain level according to the loss tolerance they can bear.
As a trader, I prefer to use the stop loss feature for my altcoins. This minimizes the losses that I will experience, because market conditions are still undergoing correction, so we have to be careful in this matter.
The market has been doing the stable attitude for a long time. It's trying to settle between $62-$64k but it just can't settle. I think it will correct again in 50k. Almost everyone who is an alt holder has set a stop loss limit. If there is any major change in the market then they will be safe there. Different strategies work for each trader. However, I am taking utmost caution in investing in altcoins at this time because there is a possibility of correction.
Each investor has their own strategy. some use stop loss, that's also good. I prefer to hold it because I believe the market will improve again, because now we will finally see a market correction. If there is a bearish situation, it will only last forever and the market will reverse again.

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« Reply #187 on: May 18, 2024, 09:58:53 PM »
but actually at this time we don't really need that feature because when the price goes down we just hold onto our coins and the price will go up again.
It depends on the strategy applied for a person's trading or investment. Because if you think about it, the stock exchange would not include useless features, therefore the stop loss and stop limit features are often used by traders, especially daily traders who monitor prices every day.

Currently the price of Bitcoin is experiencing a correction again, there are still many reasons to hodl, and I'm sure some people have set their stop loss at a certain level according to the loss tolerance they can bear.
As a trader, I prefer to use the stop loss feature for my altcoins. This minimizes the losses that I will experience, because market conditions are still undergoing correction, so we have to be careful in this matter.
The market has been doing the stable attitude for a long time. It's trying to settle between $62-$64k but it just can't settle. I think it will correct again in 50k. Almost everyone who is an alt holder has set a stop loss limit. If there is any major change in the market then they will be safe there. Different strategies work for each trader. However, I am taking utmost caution in investing in altcoins at this time because there is a possibility of correction.
Each investor has their own strategy. some use stop loss, that's also good. I prefer to hold it because I believe the market will improve again, because now we will finally see a market correction. If there is a bearish situation, it will only last forever and the market will reverse again.
Once you do step your foot into this market then it would really be just that normal that you would really be needing up to make yourself that realize that you are really that riding on a roller coaster ride. So that you wont really be that making yourself that freaking out on the moment that you would be seeing the market making out some random movements or something that you arent that expecting. Each of us would really be having their own ways or methods on how to handle ourselves. Someones experience would be the ones will really be reflecting out on the actions
that they would really be making.

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #188 on: May 20, 2024, 02:50:55 PM »
but actually at this time we don't really need that feature because when the price goes down we just hold onto our coins and the price will go up again.
It depends on the strategy applied for a person's trading or investment. Because if you think about it, the stock exchange would not include useless features, therefore the stop loss and stop limit features are often used by traders, especially daily traders who monitor prices every day.

Currently the price of Bitcoin is experiencing a correction again, there are still many reasons to hodl, and I'm sure some people have set their stop loss at a certain level according to the loss tolerance they can bear.


I don't remember who made this statistic
that if instead of making trades you did a very simple hold since bitcoin was born, you would be the most expert and richest trader of all the good ones
so it depends on what you want to do and if you believe in the project in my opinion
if you believe in the project and have flair, and simply hold, you will make more profits

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #189 on: May 20, 2024, 03:07:04 PM »
I never believe in Altcoin investing, only fools invest in Altcoins.  All and sundry investors only invest in Bitcoin because it is a trusted coin where investment is sure to lead to success. But investing in bitcoins must be done with long-term investment, long-term investment is the only way to get the most benefits. The higher the investment in Bitcoin, the higher the benefits.

You sound harsh my friend.
People invest in altcoins for many reasons, the hype, the money, the opportunity and fast money makers.
The people that invest because of hype are mostly the newbies who get as they don't do research, they got into altcoins due to what other people says and not their own beliefs on the project.

The people who invest because of money have reasons because altcoins has made a lot of people profits in the past and it's actually valid to invest in altcoins.

Some people invest in altcoins because they wbat to create something unique, like when Defi came around some new projects has to invest in some projects because they don't have choice, you need money to make money.

Money makers are just people that scalp profit from one projects to another and they actually do make it big. So, I don't think none of this people are foolisg, perhaps the noobs who refuse to do personal research.
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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #190 on: May 20, 2024, 06:27:33 PM »
I invest, I trade and I gamble. Lol. Most time, I invest on strong altcoins and Trade top coins..
I gamble with low cap shitcoins and I mostly lose money doing all these.. Although, I made profits in few especially when I used Bitget smart portfolio. But so far, I'm at loss.
I sometimes also do this on some new altcoins. Because currently, even new altcoin projects with strong fundamentals may continue to decline in price like shitcoins. So yeah, it becomes a trade that initially starts with careful analysis and ends up being like speculation. But as long as we are ready to bear the risks we take then it is not a problem.

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #191 on: May 20, 2024, 10:00:16 PM »
It is nice to see my answer is leading by a huge margin, and also when you look at the poll and the results here, you can see that this forum is getting more crowded than the other one, which is a great thing for the forum. Investing is of course the better option, we are talking about something that is getting quite good attention for a while now, and I think it is quite good that people are realizing that trading is nice and all, and could do with a small amount on the side, but the real money maker in this market is investment. You can't go anywhere without investment and you should always do it.

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Re: Saving... Investing... Speculating... Gambling? (Poll)
« Reply #192 on: Today at 11:34:14 AM »
It is nice to see my answer is leading by a huge margin, and also when you look at the poll and the results here, you can see that this forum is getting more crowded than the other one, which is a great thing for the forum. Investing is of course the better option, we are talking about something that is getting quite good attention for a while now, and I think it is quite good that people are realizing that trading is nice and all, and could do with a small amount on the side, but the real money maker in this market is investment. You can't go anywhere without investment and you should always do it.

Investors are serious people  :)

- What's your job?
- Investor
Sounds good

- What's your job
- Saver
Sounds boring

- What's you job?
- Trader
Sounds less good then Investor

-What's your job
- Speculator
Bad
She's not going to merry you






Let's put those 2 gamblers on the wall!
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