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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: Fivestar4everMVP on April 15, 2024, 09:59:09 PM
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Hi ladies and gentlemen..
The question is pretty straight forward, I actually have create a good number of threads on this forum in general, never had any intention of self moderating any of my threads, but then, I noticed that I've also never come across any thread that is self moderated by the op of that thread, so I felt like asking here.
Is there a reason why such ability or feature was not added to this forum? Or is the toggle for ability to do this hiding someone in our individual account setting?
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There's none. If you want access to delete your post it can be gotten from the shop section and why self moderation wasn't introduced into the forum. It can be seen here from the admins message around 2018
self moderated topics are not good, because they silence any critics,
however, for the right price, we sell our soul to the devil,
patrons and royalty have the possibility to delete replies to own posts, thus effectively having self moderated topics.
however to avoid abuse, nothing is really deleted, it goes to recycle bin, thus if caught really abusing the patrons can be stripped of rank.
definition of abusing : mass deleting replies or deleting bounty/ airdrop submissions.
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If you think about it deeply, you will understand that self moderation does not silent critics as admin suggested. Rather it reduces spam. If anyone's post is deleted by a self moderator and he feels that he is being silenced, he can simply go create a new thread for that respect. So, if you don't want to be moderated by anyone apart from admin, you should avoid posting in self moderated threads.
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Rather it reduces spam.
Report to moderator button is under every post. If there is spam you can just inform moderators about that and this will reduce it. I have statistics not about all sections, but all where I see have no unprocessed reports. It takes maximum several hours to process mostly all reports. ???
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There is a possibility to create self-moderated posts, but they are for a paid account.
Donor and up ---> https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315406.0
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Rather it reduces spam.
Report to moderator button is under every post. If there is spam you can just inform moderators about that and this will reduce it. I have statistics not about all sections, but all where I see have no unprocessed reports. It takes maximum several hours to process mostly all reports. ???
That's nice. Maybe the traffic here is not yet tedious for moderators to handle. It will get to a time that the admin will want the community to do most of the moderation themselves and allowing a self moderation thread is one of the ways to achieve that.
There is a possibility to create self-moderated posts, but they are for a paid account.
Donor and up ---> https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315406.0
Seen! And there are alot of other features to be enjoyed. Here is not as free as I think.
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Have seen abused about self moderated threads from the other forum though this is also very helpful to keep a thread from spamming but the problem is that even scammers can use this features to silence those who will criticize or give their proofs of their bad dealings.
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Have seen abused about self moderated threads from the other forum though this is also very helpful to keep a thread from spamming but the problem is that even scammers can use this features to silence those who will criticize or give their proofs of their bad dealings.
I think that's easy to solve, anyone who posts the proof of the scam can easily screenshot it and make a thread if their post got deleted. But I don't think it is necessary since there is a recycle bin feature on this forum if I read it correctly.
It will get to a time that the admin will want the community to do most of the moderation themselves and allowing a self moderation thread is one of the ways to achieve that.
If the traffic gets really big, I'd rather have more moderators instead of encouraging members to manage threads on their own. Unless we can make sure that most of them understand forum rules, there is a high chance they will abuse it even if it was unintentional.
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We talked about this before, so try to search forum topics before creating new one:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315233
Admin won't allow self-moderated topics, but I think there is an option to burn alt tokens and enable option to delete posts.
Some members would probably like to have option to burn tokens for self-moderation enabled.
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There's none. If you want access to delete your post it can be gotten from the shop section and why self moderation wasn't introduced into the forum. It can be seen here from the admins message around 2018 self moderated topics are not good, because they silence any critics,
however, for the right price, we sell our soul to the devil,
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That's why I love the admin, haha, its not that I hate self-moderation, it's just the facts that Admin has stated are so generic and I have witnessed them. Fore example, on BTT there was a post that was self-moderated, and it was in the economic section so you can assume the context of the post. I made a good and heavy reply which was long enough, and when I posted it after some time I got a notification that my reply had been deleted I got furious and then gave up on replying again.
That's why I think self-moderation should not be allowed on this forum, because only mods and admins should have the privilege of deleting posts of others, this way we will totally get the freedom of speech. Even if I will say something that will expose the support party of OP, my message will not be deleted as its not self moderated.
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We talked about this before, so try to search forum topics before creating new one:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315233
Admin won't allow self-moderated topics, but I think there is an option to burn alt tokens and enable option to delete posts.
Some members would probably like to have option to burn tokens for self-moderation enabled.
Yes, this is due to possible abuse of the points earned per post. Maybe there's a situation regarding this in the past or the admin simply found this loophole that might be a future problem which he resolved as quickly as he could.
The option of deleting replies on your topic is too expensive, I think some will prefer to purchase a special rank than this. Especially if it is someone who always creates a thread.
- Delete replies to own topics >> Be able to delete replies to your own topics. >>> Burn 10$ worth of ALTT token
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Have seen abused about self moderated threads from the other forum though this is also very helpful to keep a thread from spamming but the problem is that even scammers can use this features to silence those who will criticize or give their proofs of their bad dealings.
I think that's easy to solve, anyone who posts the proof of the scam can easily screenshot it and make a thread if their post got deleted. But I don't think it is necessary since there is a recycle bin feature on this forum if I read it correctly.
really there is a recycle bin in this forum ? this means post deletion is also not necessary here because we cannot completely hide anything from this forum lol.
but self moderated thread is also something that the forum may not be concern of because of this recycle bin feature .
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The option of deleting replies on your topic is too expensive, I think some will prefer to purchase a special rank than this. Especially if it is someone who always creates a thread.
I'm just wondering if the option is to delete topics or to create a self-moderated topic. Meaning, if it is possible to just delete topics without creating a moderated topic (a big warning sign), then this option would likely be ideal for scammers who might want to delete negative comments without anyone noticing.
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If you think about it deeply, you will understand that self moderation does not silent critics as admin suggested. Rather it reduces spam. If anyone's post is deleted by a self moderator and he feels that he is being silenced, he can simply go create a new thread for that respect. So, if you don't want to be moderated by anyone apart from admin, you should avoid posting in self moderated threads.
You are completely right, but again, I think it's a two way thing though, like something having it's advantage and disadvantage, or to be more appropriate, we could say "a pro" and "a con".
Like the admin said, some scammers, bad eggs in the community could as well leverage on their liberty to self moderate their own thread, and use it for scam, dubious activities, deleting any sort of comments that tries to warn others users coming into such thread for the first time - this is very possible and I believe that what the admin meant is very understandable.
But again on the other hand, you are right too, a user who created an important thread which requires only important comments might as well want to self moderate the thread to make sure every comment coming in are up to standard, and this is possibly because, we all know that using the report button does imply that a spam comment will be deleted immediately, sometimes, it takes days before the mods take action on a reported spam post, in the area, we discover the ability to create a self moderated thread is still as important.
But then, and unfortunately, many of the nice features are for sale here.
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sometimes, it takes days before the mods take action on a reported spam post
If there is an obvious example of a spam post, it is impossible for the report to be processed only after a few days. There can be reports that are not clear for different reasons and are awaiting for a moderator to make a deeper research before acting, but obvious cases are processed in hours maximum. ???
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The option of deleting replies on your topic is too expensive, I think some will prefer to purchase a special rank than this. Especially if it is someone who always creates a thread.
I'm just wondering if the option is to delete topics or to create a self-moderated topic. Meaning, if it is possible to just delete topics without creating a moderated topic (a big warning sign), then this option would likely be ideal for scammers who might want to delete negative comments without anyone noticing.
This option is only applicable to delete topics/delete replies to your topics. However, to achieve this benefit, you need to purchase the special rank "Donor". That would be 1.1 ETH, I don't know if we can still call it ideal for scammers as they need to invest that huge amount of money to initiate their plan.
And if it's about burning ALTT to Delete replies to own topics, I think it is still not ideal. It will take quite some time to delete the replies by burning them as it is manually being done and requested by the admin. I'm sure before they can even initiate their plan to scam other people or remove the negative comments about their thread, users can see it right away.
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And if it's about burning ALTT to Delete replies to own topics, I think it is still not ideal. It will take quite some time to delete the replies by burning them as it is manually being done and requested by the admin. I'm sure before they can even initiate their plan to scam other people or remove the negative comments about their thread, users can see it right away.
And as soon as it would be found that someone misuses the function he got, he'll lose this function not depending on if he paid for it or not. Getting some privilege doesn't give a right on breaking the rules. So right you are, users will see that something is going wrong and inform moderators and admin about that, and we'll try do do our best with the situation. :)
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@Fivestar4everMVP, if you would be so kind, I would like you to put here an example of those spam posts that take days to be deleted. I don't know where you get that information from or what makes you think that, since it is very far from reality. As @Jokers says, the clearest cases of spam can take hours at most, and in most cases they don't even take hours.
Moderation on this forum is active and many posts are deleted/moved every day to maintain order. Before making statements without verified data, as you have done on more than one occasion, ask for information and it will be shared publicly whenever possible. Thank you.
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Exactly since when I came to this side of the ecosystem forums from the month of December 2023, I have not seen any thread that is self moderated. Though self moderated threads are good because it control many things in the thread, spamming and shitposts. It would have been good it is functional because it will reduce the stress.of moderators.
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The option of deleting replies on your topic is too expensive, I think some will prefer to purchase a special rank than this. Especially if it is someone who always creates a thread.
Too expensive? :o
I don't think so, unless your real life paycheck is few dollars per month.
And If I remember correctly admin was also doing some token giveaways and airdrops.
Moderation on this forum is active and many posts are deleted/moved every day to maintain order. Before making statements without verified data, as you have done on more than one occasion, ask for information and it will be shared publicly whenever possible. Thank you.
Is it possible for members to move their topics with post to different boards?
I think this would be good compromise for some members.
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Is it possible for members to move their topics with post to different boards?
I think this would be good compromise for some members.
And another headache for moderators: to monitor the sections many pages in depth. If to look at what's happening on BTT, there is a number of trolls who move topics from one section to another and forward. And you can eventually find some topic without a content with multiple answers in some random language somewhere in Hebrew section, because there's no own moderator in there on BTT and the trash topic can stay there for long. Seems terrible! :o
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The option of deleting replies on your topic is too expensive, I think some will prefer to purchase a special rank than this. Especially if it is someone who always creates a thread.
Too expensive? :o
I don't think so, unless your real life paycheck is few dollars per month.
And If I remember correctly admin was also doing some token giveaways and airdrops.
A little expensive, yeah? haha, $10 is enough to make you have at least 2-3 meals. (Not sure in your country)
I mean, it would be expensive if you are the type of user who always makes a thread (for some purposes where you always try to limit spam posts.) We can expect to burn ALTT tokens worth 10$ not just one, but a lot. Though I know we can use the report to moderator which is applicable if we are patient enough. But in the end, it still depends on the user who would want to keep his thread clean.
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There is a possibility to create self-moderated posts, but they are for a paid account.
Donor and up ---> https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315406.0
ah ok in fact I thought I saw it
another question, is there a possibility to pay for something using points or ALTT tokens? it would be nice since we have these tokens that we can spend rather than making cryptocurrency claims
I would like to be able to spend ALTT
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And another headache for moderators: to monitor the sections many pages in depth. If to look at what's happening on BTT, there is a number of trolls who move topics from one section to another and forward. And you can eventually find some topic without a content with multiple answers in some random language somewhere in Hebrew section, because there's no own moderator in there on BTT and the trash topic can stay there for long. Seems terrible! :o
As if you guys have so much work here ;)
I never noticed any real big problems in bitcointalk forum connected with moving of topics, except few members who were persistent in moving some topics in wrong boards.
It would be nice to show me some stats of members and moderators activity.
A little expensive, yeah? haha, $10 is enough to make you have at least 2-3 meals. (Not sure in your country)
So what you are saing is that 2-3 meals are expensive? :o
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And another headache for moderators: to monitor the sections many pages in depth. If to look at what's happening on BTT, there is a number of trolls who move topics from one section to another and forward. And you can eventually find some topic without a content with multiple answers in some random language somewhere in Hebrew section, because there's no own moderator in there on BTT and the trash topic can stay there for long. Seems terrible! :o
As if you guys have so much work here ;)
I never noticed any real big problems in bitcointalk forum connected with moving of topics, except few members who were persistent in moving some topics in wrong boards.
It would be nice to show me some stats of members and moderators activity.
A little expensive, yeah? haha, $10 is enough to make you have at least 2-3 meals. (Not sure in your country)
So what you are saing is that 2-3 meals are expensive? :o
honestly, as a moderator, self-moderated topics don't bother me, on the contrary
they are particular threads and in the hands of competent and recognized fast and reliable people they are threads worth seeing
Furthermore, moderators do not have to see all threads
just look at the queue of reports, the moderator's job is to remedy but the users' job is to report
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really there is a recycle bin in this forum ? this means post deletion is also not necessary here because we cannot completely hide anything from this forum lol.
but self moderated thread is also something that the forum may not be concern of because of this recycle bin feature .
Simple Machines Forum software doesn't have recycle bins. They have a trash can for deleted topics, but that is usually only visible to administrators.
Anyway, why would you guys need to self-moderate a topic? That is only needed if you have tolls running amok on the forum who you don't want replying to your posts. I haven't seen any here so far.
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sometimes, it takes days before the mods take action on a reported spam post
If there is an obvious example of a spam post, it is impossible for the report to be processed only after a few days. There can be reports that are not clear for different reasons and are awaiting for a moderator to make a deeper research before acting, but obvious cases are processed in hours maximum. ???
This (in other words) is to say that the moderator of a board is always online 24 hours a day and 7 days in a week?
well, hard to believe since from what I've seen here, most boards have just one user moderating that baord, and common sense tells me that when ever a post or comment in or on a particular board is reported by other user(s), the report appears only to the moderator of that board, and there is no way one person can be online 24/7, even if they appear to be online through their forum status.
Except reported posts or comments are broadcasted generally to all the forum moderators, regardless of which board the reported post or comment was made or posted, then I will agree that yeah, such report can indeed be treated within hours.
Anyways, I am just thinking out loud, no big deal regardless.
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This (in other words) is to say that the moderator of a board is always online 24 hours a day and 7 days in a week?
No, except the section moderator there are several global moderators who can see all reports in any boards, so they can take needed actions as well. So if some case is obvious somebody will react.