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Title: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on February 16, 2024, 10:51:16 PM
Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion

Creating this topic to move any discussion related to signature campaigns away from Overview of Altcoinstalks Signature Campaigns (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314333.0) so it could stay limited to posting updates only. Otherwise it'll be hard for the OP (or other readers) to keep track of any changes.


Feel free to share any thoughts/opinions on anything related to signature campaigns here.

mods - if this is not a right place for this kind of topic, please move it.


Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on February 16, 2024, 11:18:17 PM
I want to hear from other members what type of changes and improvements they want to see in altcoinstalks forum campaigns.

Everyone surely wants to see higher payment rates but please write anything else as your suggestions except payment.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: BitMaxz on February 16, 2024, 11:36:03 PM
I want to hear from other members what type of changes and improvements they want to see in altcoinstalks forum campaigns.

Everyone surely wants to see higher payment rates but please write anything else as your suggestions except payment.

Currently, the forum impressions are not as high as the other forum and I don't think we will see an increase in payment rates maybe after 2 or 3 months if we see many people joining here on the forum and get huge impressions we might see rates increase.
Don't forget altcoin season is coming I think after a few months or maybe next year but for now it's too vague to see payment rates increase soon unless they force people to make high-quality posts.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on February 17, 2024, 12:11:56 AM
Currently, the forum impressions are not as high as the other forum and I don't think we will see an increase in payment rates maybe after 2 or 3 months if we see many people joining here on the forum and get huge impressions we might see rates increase.
Don't forget altcoin season is coming I think after a few months or maybe next year but for now it's too vague to see payment rates increase soon unless they force people to make high-quality posts.

Things could pick up if we have more active campaigns. As of now, all of them are mixers except for SWGT (a token). I can't see any reason why more services of any type could not start advertising here. The audience is smaller than on bitcointalk, but so are the costs.
Maybe managers could pitch the idea to their contacts and e.g. encourage them to run a parallel campaign here in addition to bitcointalk.

As for the rates, it's funny how all the highest-paid campaigns are run by icopress, he must some good negotiation skills.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Yamane_Keto on February 17, 2024, 03:13:09 AM
Not everyone follows the discussions on every page, but what is required is the main page, where the list must be updated on a daily or weekly basis, so there is no problem with the discussions there, but there is nothing wrong with a separate topic about them, as the experience of signature campaigns here is relatively recent, and I think that a month from now, the evaluation stage will be whether Advertising in ALTT is valuable and will the campaigns continue or stop?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on February 17, 2024, 06:49:20 AM
I want to hear from other members what type of changes and improvements they want to see in altcoinstalks forum campaigns.
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.

When they increase the number of paid posts then users who consistently make 30 posts a week will try their best to make 50 posts or week in order to get a little higher payment.

When users post more on daily basis that will somehow increase the traffic of this forum, and when new users who are interested in Bitcoin or mixers find out this forum then they will also continue to be active here.

That way those users who really want to use mixers and the ones which mixers want as well will visit this forum and if they see more activity here then they might use the mixing services that are advertising here instead of finding those on Bitcointalk or somewhere else.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: PX-Z on February 17, 2024, 02:04:31 PM
I want to hear from other members what type of changes and improvements they want to see in altcoinstalks forum campaigns.
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.

When they increase the number of paid posts then users who consistently make 30 posts a week will try their best to make 50 posts or week in order to get a little higher payment.
That's the best suggestion if the signature manager wants to spam the forum. 25 paid posts a week is enough but because of lower rates they make it to 30 and its reasonable.
With that kind of suggestion, budget is needed to take in consideration too. If majority wants improvement, then being active here with 2-4 posts a day is enough to make this forum improve. Forum improvements won't happen 2-3 months. It should be at least 6 months of comparison of the old stats, even in 2 months people see improvements.

Later on i will give stats of forum's activity, karma, posting, etc. with the one i'm developing in connection of the telegram bot.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on February 17, 2024, 03:17:24 PM
That's the best suggestion if the signature manager wants to spam the forum. 25 paid posts a week is enough but because of lower rates they make it to 30 and its reasonable.
With that kind of suggestion, budget is needed to take in consideration too. If majority wants improvement, then being active here with 2-4 posts a day is enough to make this forum improve. Forum improvements won't happen 2-3 months. It should be at least 6 months of comparison of the old stats, even in 2 months people see improvements.

Later on i will give stats of forum's activity, karma, posting, etc. with the one i'm developing in connection of the telegram bot.

Well, that's what you think but that's not what I was thinking when I created that post of mine. I think you still don't understand the managers that we have on this forum. They are professional campaign managers because they have been managing so many campaigns on Bitcointalk, and that's why it's not hard for them to check the members who make spamming posts and the members who make constructive posts. So spamming will never be an issue as far as I understand.

The current pay rates are okay in my mind because the traffic on this forum is pretty low as compare to Bitcointalk and most people still don't know the name of this forum to be honest. It'll take sometime before we see others noticing this forum but until then I believe such rates are not bad at all. I think I posted a valid opinion as we all know the more posts a forum gets the higher will be its chance to rank up on search engines like Google, Bing and others.

This forum is already indexed on Google and huge community of the Bitcointalk is present on this forum who don't only make good posts but they also know how to make constructive and valuable posts. Such users can help this forum to grow and if the manager somehow increase the number of paid posts then such users also get motivated to make even more posts on this forum. That will help this forum to rank up faster on search engines and other crypto communities will also start talking about it in their discussions, and the ones who make best crypto forum lists will include this one in the lists when they hear about this forum and visit it.

I truly appreciate you for that amazing Telegram bot that you have made and I'm also a very active user of that bot and I hope to see the program that you're making which will show the stats of the forum. Let's see how improved stats we see once you introduce that program.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: yhiaali3 on February 17, 2024, 06:45:41 PM
That's the best suggestion if the signature manager wants to spam the forum. 25 paid posts a week is enough but because of lower rates they make it to 30 and its reasonable.
With that kind of suggestion, budget is needed to take in consideration too. If majority wants improvement, then being active here with 2-4 posts a day is enough to make this forum improve. Forum improvements won't happen 2-3 months. It should be at least 6 months of comparison of the old stats, even in 2 months people see improvements.
I also agree with you, increasing paid posts to 50 or 60 per week will lead to complete chaos and everyone will try to write to increase their weekly payment.

I expect that the quality of posts will decrease in this case because it is difficult to write 50 or 60 high-quality posts per week. Maybe some people are able to write 8-10 high-quality posts on a daily basis, but the majority will not have the ability, but they will write to get paid.

Campaign managers will not be able to monitor all this huge number of posts. For example, in my campaign there are 55 participants. If each of them writes 60 posts per week, this equals 3,300 posts!!! How can a campaign manager check all this huge number on a weekly basis?!!
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on February 17, 2024, 10:11:20 PM
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.
This is worst idea ever :P
Only result from this would be increase of spam and worthless junk posts.
There is not enough discussions to pay for that, and I would reduce number of posts from 30 to 20 or 25 any slightly increase payrate.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: BitMaxz on February 17, 2024, 11:29:45 PM
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.
This is worst idea ever :P
Only result from this would be increase of spam and worthless junk posts.
There is not enough discussions to pay for that, and I would reduce number of posts from 30 to 20 or 25 any slightly increase payrate.

The forum is pretty new adding more paid posts could lead to spam it would surely be hated by Google and other SERPs.

If the forum needs more traffic I think the admin should improve the forum's SEO performance look at Google Insight there are many things the forum should fix the first one is the forum speed performance this is one of the important things in SEO.
I see drops in traffic after January according to similarweb I don't know what the cause but my guess is it is due to performance issues.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: milewilda on February 18, 2024, 03:18:01 AM
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.
This is worst idea ever :P
Only result from this would be increase of spam and worthless junk posts.
There is not enough discussions to pay for that, and I would reduce number of posts from 30 to 20 or 25 any slightly increase payrate.
The current post counts is playing in between 25-30 as of this moment on which i would say that it would be understandable that those campaigns would be needing up
some more exposure but since this forum isnt really that still having some good crypto traffic then its expected that pay would be less but honestly
i dont really remove out that possibilities that this one could also becoming big, it would really be that just depending on the recognition of the community
but well this isnt something that could be controlled.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Yamane_Keto on February 18, 2024, 07:05:39 AM
I want to hear from other members what type of changes and improvements they want to see in altcoinstalks forum campaigns.
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.

If signature campaigns make the average weekly posts 30, you will find that most members will make 20 to 40 posts. If the same campaign increases it to 50, you will find that the average has shifted to 30 to 60.  the higher number of paid posts will force more to post, but it is difficult to do weekly 50 High quality posts, many of your posts will turn into a spam.
25 posts as a maximum is a good limit, and I don’t know why 30 is the average here.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on February 18, 2024, 10:55:31 AM
Currently, the forum impressions are not as high as the other forum and I don't think we will see an increase in payment rates maybe after 2 or 3 months if we see many people joining here on the forum and get huge impressions we might see rates increase.
Don't forget altcoin season is coming I think after a few months or maybe next year but for now it's too vague to see payment rates increase soon unless they force people to make high-quality posts.

The fact that a couple of campaigns have been paused does not help either. In the medium to long term, if the traffic and quality of the forum continues to increase, if more and more businesses want to advertise here, we may see a rise in rates, but not now, as you say. And I wouldn't expect huge increases when that happens either, maybe a few tens of dollars a week but not much more. It will take years to reach the rates paid by BTT mixers if everything goes well, I think.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on February 18, 2024, 08:08:06 PM
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.
This is worst idea ever :P
Only result from this would be increase of spam and worthless junk posts.
There is not enough discussions to pay for that, and I would reduce number of posts from 30 to 20 or 25 any slightly increase payrate.

You're probably right, but increasing the number of max paid posts + managers actively kicking out spammers could still work.
But 60 is just too high, no "natural" poster would be posting that many posts, so it's asking for trouble. If I were a service operator advertising via signature campaigns, I'd definitely prefer to hire 3 people posting 20 posts/week rather than 1 person posting 60 posts.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on February 18, 2024, 09:54:48 PM
Yeah, I like the idea of having this new thread, which can enable members to have a general discussion about any paid campaign on the forum, unlike the first topic you created, which to me should just be a thread for any current and latest updates about signatures for running campaigns, ending campaigns, etc. 

For the time being, I think I feel satisfied with how the campaign on the forum is still running. As time goes on and if new campaigns continue to launch here to the extent that they pose a competition among similar brands, there will definitely be some adjustments to the campaign rules, and the campaign manager knows what best rules to add that can make the promoted projects more visible. For example, I can say that Coinomiz has the most number of campaign participants on this forum, and it's a good strategy for them to be very visible. 
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: electronicash on February 18, 2024, 10:24:01 PM
what about allowing us to use the ref program link? a referral contest maybe? the forum does reward referral as we have read it. Mixers can also do the same.

and article writing contest most probably about mixers. it will be a big promotion if one could publish it to big audience. there's got to be users out there wanted mix their ETH to make it anonymous but are not aware they could do this.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on February 19, 2024, 07:08:26 PM
Yeah, I like the idea of having this new thread, which can enable members to have a general discussion about any paid campaign on the forum, unlike the first topic you created, which to me should just be a thread for any current and latest updates about signatures for running campaigns, ending campaigns, etc.

Thanks. I haven't started the first topic though. It was tranthidung.

what about allowing us to use the ref program link?

That's a good one. It's very rarely specified in campaigns terms and conditions, but from my experience, every service that offers referral programmes is happy with participants using referral links, as it offers an extra incentive, that makes people keep posting even after hitting the maximum paid posts number, or to keep the signature even after the campaign is ended or paused.
Sometimes all it takes is to ask if they're OK with it.

Funny enough, I was participating in campaigns that openly allowed and encouraged participants to use their referral links, but only a small percentage of them bothered to do it.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on February 19, 2024, 09:41:38 PM
This is worst idea ever :P
Only result from this would be increase of spam and worthless junk posts.
There is not enough discussions to pay for that, and I would reduce number of posts from 30 to 20 or 25 any slightly increase payrate.
It's not the worst idea trust me, if you remember Mixero campaign on Bitcointalk, then you will understand that this idea was working back then and it was a good one. Though, the amount paid per post on that forum was way high than on this forum for the posts but none of the members were making spam posts, in fact they were putting their best efforts to make those extra posts.

I didn't said that it would be compulsory to make 40, 50, or 60 posts, I just said that maximum paid posts should be increased from current 30 to 40, 50 or possibly 60. The minimum posts still should be around 20 posts or whatever a user can post but the maximum paid posts should be increased.

In initial days when signatures shifted on this forum then many people were thinking that it would be hard to make those 30 posts here on weekly basis but now many members make more than 30 posts a week and I believe that those posts doesn't fall into the category of spamming.

If signature campaigns make the average weekly posts 30, you will find that most members will make 20 to 40 posts. If the same campaign increases it to 50, you will find that the average has shifted to 30 to 60.  the higher number of paid posts will force more to post, but it is difficult to do weekly 50 High quality posts, many of your posts will turn into a spam.
25 posts as a maximum is a good limit, and I don’t know why 30 is the average here.
Even if a manager makes the maximum weekly paid posts to 50 I believe a few members will manage to make that number of posts without spamming. I believe the maximum number of paid posts should get increased but the minimum should remain the same.

However, once the forum gets some good traffic and more exposure on search engines then most of the services could increase the rate of the posts and may reduce the number of max paid posts to 40.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on February 20, 2024, 10:18:11 AM
It's not the worst idea trust me, if you remember Mixero campaign on Bitcointalk, then you will understand that this idea was working back then and it was a good one. Though, the amount paid per post on that forum was way high than on this forum for the posts but none of the members were making spam posts, in fact they were putting their best efforts to make those extra posts.

I remember back in the days, there were some campaigns on btctalk with no max limit of paid posts, they would pay for every single one as long as the manager considered it to be constructive.
You have a point it could work well when managers are only taking in trusted posters and are ready to boot out spammers, and when participants don't want to risk losing good earning opportunities by spamming with low-quality posts.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on February 20, 2024, 12:08:26 PM
I didn't said that it would be compulsory to make 40, 50, or 60 posts, I just said that maximum paid posts should be increased from current 30 to 40, 50 or possibly 60. The minimum posts still should be around 20 posts or whatever a user can post but the maximum paid posts should be increased.

Paying for 50 or 60 posts is an introduction to spamfest. And such posts will certainly be of lower quality, so you will then receive a payment rate of $0.5 or even less, per post.
Even on BTT, there are not many people who write such a large number of posts and they are of good quality.

Limiting to a minimum of 20 posts is nothing more than forcing users to spam to get paid. Someone here does not want to go to the maximum, but writes as much as he thinks is necessary and as much as suits him.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on February 20, 2024, 02:46:39 PM
We can all agree that things can not be the same here as in bitcointalk forum.
I want to see more quality members here but for that you need to have higher payment and better terms, it is as simple as that.
And maybe current campaign services could share information what results they have since they joined altcoinstalks forum.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: milewilda on February 20, 2024, 09:05:29 PM
We can all agree that things can not be the same here as in bitcointalk forum.
I want to see more quality members here but for that you need to have higher payment and better terms, it is as simple as that.
And maybe current campaign services could share information what results they have since they joined altcoinstalks forum.
For sure those amounts could neither be a

*Test up purpose
*Less pay for a non-popular forum

It would be always reflecting out and this is why projects wont really be putting up big into something which they do saw that this isnt
something as big with BTT. This is why its not really that shocking that campaign payments were less but actually its not really that a
bad start specially now that it is actually getting some traction or attention from BTT forum members gradually and make those
teleportation of their accounts.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on February 20, 2024, 09:19:27 PM
You have a point it could work well when managers are only taking in trusted posters and are ready to boot out spammers
Yes, that's what I was trying to say, good posters would never ever make spam posts and even if they get paid for less posts but still they will keep up the quality of the posts. Some users who are good posters would manage to make even 40-50 posts easily by devoting more time on this forum. They don't really have to post spam in order to get paid for that.

Paying for 50 or 60 posts is an introduction to spamfest. And such posts will certainly be of lower quality, so you will then receive a payment rate of $0.5 or even less, per post.
It won't be introduction of spamfest if managers accept trusted posters. If someone has to spam then that user doesn't need to make 50-60 posts even 10 posts would be enough to create spam on a forum but the users who who understand the importance of quality posts will not spam even if they make 50, 60, or 80 posts a week.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: JoyMarsha on February 24, 2024, 10:30:55 PM
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.
It's not about having an increased number of paid posts, is about how quality are the posts made. What campaign managers want are quality posts.

Asking for an increased number of posts from 30-60 per week is not a good idea if am to say, because it will attract spam in the forum. People will post for nothing's sake just to meet up for weekly post counts without being constructive in the posts they make. Remember, the majority of people teleported their account here and also in another forum promoting a signature paid campaign. Asking them to post 60 here, coupled with the post they made in another forum will be way too much for them to take up per week. 
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on February 25, 2024, 01:10:00 AM
Asking for an increased number of posts from 30-60 per week is not a good idea if am to say, because it will attract spam in the forum. People will post for nothing's sake just to meet up for weekly post counts without being constructive in the posts they make. Remember, the majority of people teleported their account here and also in another forum promoting a signature paid campaign. Asking them to post 60 here, coupled with the post they made in another forum will be way too much for them to take up per week.

SamReomo is not asking for participants to post 60 post a week. He suggested increasing the max paid post number, not the minimum required.
Any paid posting attracts spam and there's no magic number for how many posts should be paid. If managers are willing to take on board only high-quality posters and actively fight blatant spammers, then it shouldn't be a problem. As mentioned above, there already have been campaigns even without any max limits and it worked pretty well.
The better the earning opportunities - the more likely the participants will be cautious not to spam and not lose their spot.

Looking at the last week of Coinomize campaign, there were almost 20 people who didn't even hit the max paid 30 posts. We also had 5 people posting more than 60 posts despite only being paid for 30 (there's a $10 bonus for best posters though).

So again, it could work as long as managers are willing to weed out low-quality posters.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on February 26, 2024, 09:42:15 AM
How do you see the fact that three campaigns have already been paused? At the moment I don't see it as too catastrophic but if I see another one put on hold I'm going to start thinking that the sponsors are not getting a sufficiently profitable return on investment. If things stay as they are and we hook up with the bull market, I think new campaigns will come to the forum, but one more step in the other direction and it looks black.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Doovla on February 26, 2024, 10:02:23 AM
How do you see the fact that three campaigns have already been paused? At the moment I don't see it as too catastrophic but if I see another one put on hold I'm going to start thinking that the sponsors are not getting a sufficiently profitable return on investment. If things stay as they are and we hook up with the bull market, I think new campaigns will come to the forum, but one more step in the other direction and it looks black.
The best thing would be in meantime is to be more empty slots created for each project ,in that way everything get in faster movement for promotion development and so for people that are long waiting for slot for them to get open.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on February 26, 2024, 02:15:02 PM
The best thing would be in meantime is to be more empty slots created for each project ,in that way everything get in faster movement for promotion development and so for people that are long waiting for slot for them to get open.

These are not bounty campaigns where you pay with worthless tokens but with real money. There is a big difference because, in campaigns with useless tokens, you can promise everything unlimited, while with real money it is coordinated with the budget.

Mixers that are currently the most active here with signature campaigns are not projects, but independent and fully functional businesses. They do not need mass, but the best possible promotion within the budget.

Don't be frustrated, stay active on the forum and give some quality, in time a free slot will be open.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: paid2 on February 26, 2024, 11:12:32 PM
The best thing would be in meantime is to be more empty slots created for each project ,in that way everything get in faster movement for promotion development and so for people that are long waiting for slot for them to get open.

Campaigns are a privilege, not a right, and someone need to pay the bill at the end. So I think the managers manage the number of slots according to the budget and the volume of posts on the forum.

It's easier for a big casino like Stake to offer a campaign (on Bitcointalk I mean) with lots of slots, than it is for a new small business. It is possible that the latter would probably prefer fewer people to wear their signature but for a longer period of time at equal budget for example, etc..etc..
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on February 26, 2024, 11:57:19 PM
..

Have you noticed how different the way signature campaigns are understood between Btt/teleported users and Altt natives?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on February 28, 2024, 12:18:50 AM
How do you see the fact that three campaigns have already been paused? At the moment I don't see it as too catastrophic but if I see another one put on hold I'm going to start thinking that the sponsors are not getting a sufficiently profitable return on investment. If things stay as they are and we hook up with the bull market, I think new campaigns will come to the forum, but one more step in the other direction and it looks black.

I'm more concerned about all the active campaigns being mixers and no new campaigns, especially for other services are coming in. There are many gambling sites and crypto-casinos that are supporting multiple different cryptos, so this forum would seem like a good place to advertise on, and yet, we don't have a single one.
Maybe it's not just the cost and return on investment, but maybe the audience in this forum is still not big enough for them to even bother.
Mixers had no choice, they got pushed off the btctalk and there aren't that many alternatives for them.

These are not bounty campaigns where you pay with worthless tokens but with real money. There is a big difference because, in campaigns with useless tokens, you can promise everything unlimited, while with real money it is coordinated with the budget.

Exactly. They can't just multiply spots. The more people they are willing to take onboard = lower payment per person.
That's unless they're happy with the results and can slowly and gradually increase headcount until they reach the optimal number.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Agbe on March 01, 2024, 04:46:29 PM
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.
The normal post rate is 25 post per week so that the participants can produce quality posts and anything more that, campaign managers should expect low quality posts from the participants because the pressure for them to meet up the quota is high. And the only way to create more traffic in this forum is to keep the post in 25 per week and and increase the pay to $70-80 and above and just like bitcointalk then you will see more people will come here to participate. That your idea is not really good. 50-60 post, my brother that is not easy oh. Assuming you are participating in signature campaign for the both sides. That will be heavy work load for you.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Cryptsafe on March 01, 2024, 10:07:56 PM
How do you see the fact that three campaigns have already been paused? At the moment I don't see it as too catastrophic but if I see another one put on hold I'm going to start thinking that the sponsors are not getting a sufficiently profitable return on investment. If things stay as they are and we hook up with the bull market, I think new campaigns will come to the forum, but one more step in the other direction and it looks black.

I'm more concerned about all the active campaigns being mixers and no new campaigns, especially for other services are coming in. There are many gambling sites and crypto-casinos that are supporting multiple different cryptos, so this forum would seem like a good place to advertise on, and yet, we don't have a single one.
Maybe it's not just the cost and return on investment, but maybe the audience in this forum is still not big enough for them to even bother.
Mixers had no choice, they got pushed off the btctalk and there aren't that many alternatives for them.

These are not bounty campaigns where you pay with worthless tokens but with real money. There is a big difference because, in campaigns with useless tokens, you can promise everything unlimited, while with real money it is coordinated with the budget.

Exactly. They can't just multiply spots. The more people they are willing to take onboard = lower payment per person.
That's unless they're happy with the results and can slowly and gradually increase headcount until they reach the optimal number.

The traffic here is gradually growing and I believe it would get to a point where the publicity of this platform would be very visible and big names would have no option than wanting to identify with the platform.

Looking at the presence of projects here, the mixers I think are doing well for them to have stayed up to this moment then it means that they are gaining more publicity here irrespective of the fact that this platform is not as visible  and command traffic like btt platform. Although the project that paused have their reasons for doing that but that does not mean that their is no publicity here. I read a post here were a manager was saying he  is hopeful of launching a campaign here very soon. This is a sign that this platform is beginning to gain wider publicity than it is.

Lastly for the campaigns paused or put on hold, I had the opportunity to do a little check on them and I noticed they are entirely new to the market which means they would need a strong budget to compete with the already existing ones which means they would have to go extra miles to doing their publicity. It is likely they are out of budget or something else which can not be disclosed.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on March 01, 2024, 11:47:04 PM
The traffic here is gradually growing and I believe it would get to a point where the publicity of this platform would be very visible and big names would have no option than wanting to identify with the platform.

I'm sure the traffic will go further up when we have another bull run on Bitcoin and altcoins.

Lastly for the campaigns paused or put on hold, I had the opportunity to do a little check on them and I noticed they are entirely new to the market which means they would need a strong budget to compete with the already existing ones which means they would have to go extra miles to doing their publicity. It is likely they are out of budget or something else which can not be disclosed.

Good to know, I didn't even think about checking the history of those businesses.
If that's true, it's possible they paused to evaluate results, re-think their strategies, costs and budget and maybe they'll be back eventually.
As far as we know, if a service is "paused" or "on-hold", that doesn't necessarily mean they opted out of running campaigns for good.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Cryptsafe on March 02, 2024, 12:05:25 AM
The traffic here is gradually growing and I believe it would get to a point where the publicity of this platform would be very visible and big names would have no option than wanting to identify with the platform.

I'm sure the traffic will go further up when we have another bull run on Bitcoin and altcoins.

Lastly for the campaigns paused or put on hold, I had the opportunity to do a little check on them and I noticed they are entirely new to the market which means they would need a strong budget to compete with the already existing ones which means they would have to go extra miles to doing their publicity. It is likely they are out of budget or something else which can not be disclosed.

Good to know, I didn't even think about checking the history of those businesses.
If that's true, it's possible they paused to evaluate results, re-think their strategies, costs and budget and maybe they'll be back eventually.
As far as we know, if a service is "paused" or "on-hold", that doesn't necessarily mean they opted out of running campaigns for good.

Definitely we are anticipating traffic here as it is nearly bull run and already some managers already giving hints of possibly bringing campaign here for launch which I think it is good news and worth waiting for.

Nevertheless, the projects must have paused for just the reasons you have mentioned here but no one can tell. Pausing to evaluate or strategize is the best thing an organisation could  when they are in the market for the first time.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on March 02, 2024, 11:04:26 AM
Nobody comments on the new casino campaign that has been launched on the forum? Well, technically speaking it starts tomorrow and is still accepting applications. It's good news, the first casino campaign on the forum, and I just saw yahoo62278 in the chat saying he's going to bring one more casino campaign to the forum, and maybe 2. I think it's logical that with the bull market there will start to be more campaigns.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: bitbit97 on March 02, 2024, 11:15:09 AM
Thanks for pointing out on a new signature campaign. I was a little confused with campaign name. Read it first as bonds, not bons. Thought it was something about investing. Glad that we have a casino representative here. It is always nice to be first, as you can dictate rules or direction. I think people will pay attention to $25 weekly reward and complain about it. But take it into consideration that this is just a start for gambling signature campaign, and no one promised that it will be easy to earn. After all it is pressing keyboard keys for money, and that require to special skill.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on March 02, 2024, 08:01:17 PM
Nobody comments on the new casino campaign that has been launched on the forum? Well, technically speaking it starts tomorrow and is still accepting applications. It's good news, the first casino campaign on the forum, and I just saw yahoo62278 in the chat saying he's going to bring one more casino campaign to the forum, and maybe 2. I think it's logical that with the bull market there will start to be more campaigns.

Finally! That's a good news indeed.
Nice to see that campaigns are no longer limited only to mixers, that can't advertise on btctalk. I guess credit should be given to managers who pointed their clients to this forum.
This forum seems ideal to all casinos supporting multiple cryptos. The only concern may be that the traffic is not high enough to even bother, but looking at how many teleported members are there and on the number of views topics have, I think it's clear that activity has increased a lot in the recent time.

Link to bons. io campaign for those interested:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318616.0
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: milewilda on March 02, 2024, 08:28:47 PM
Nobody comments on the new casino campaign that has been launched on the forum? Well, technically speaking it starts tomorrow and is still accepting applications. It's good news, the first casino campaign on the forum, and I just saw yahoo62278 in the chat saying he's going to bring one more casino campaign to the forum, and maybe 2. I think it's logical that with the bull market there will start to be more campaigns.

Finally! That's a good news indeed.
Nice to see that campaigns are no longer limited only to mixers, that can't advertise on btctalk. I guess credit should be given to managers who pointed their clients to this forum.
This forum seems ideal to all casinos supporting multiple cryptos. The only concern may be that the traffic is not high enough to even bother, but looking at how many teleported members are there and on the number of views topics have, I think it's clear that activity has increased a lot in the recent time.

Link to bons. io campaign for those interested:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318616.0
The main reason on why this forum did get some sudden traffic is because;

Teleport ranks + signature campaign

Both things are the reason on why this forum is getting some attention now. Although the numbers are not that something to boast on but at least
they arent that blind not to see those increase of people that been posting up on here. Lets just accept the fact that one thing that driven
off some attention is on where people could be able to earn some quick bucks. Dont you agree?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on March 02, 2024, 09:25:04 PM
I'm more concerned about all the active campaigns being mixers and no new campaigns, especially for other services are coming in.
Now we have a new casino campaign showing up so you don't have to be concerned anymore ;)
I think that most crypto companies are observing to see results and feedback from mixer campaigns in forum, and they can always promote casinos in other forums if they want.
I visited Gambling board few times and I think it needs a lot more quality improvement before we can see other campaigns coming here.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on March 02, 2024, 11:43:19 PM
Now we have a new casino campaign showing up so you don't have to be concerned anymore ;)
(...)

I know, I commented on it above.
Looking at their campaign, it seems to be a trial run. They only have 9 participants (excluding manager) which is much fewer than most of other campaigns (i.e. coinomize currently has 55). They also have tracker links, so will be able to monitor traffic coming in from this forum. Interested to see how it'll play out and will they decide to expand the campaign.
Nevertheless, it's a good sign.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on March 03, 2024, 10:55:29 AM
The main reason on why this forum did get some sudden traffic is because;

Teleport ranks + signature campaign

Both things are the reason on why this forum is getting some attention now.

Well, I think there is also another reason now: the bull market. In the past this forum grew in activity during the bull market and lost activity when the crypto winter came. Maybe it is not so noticeable now but I think that the moment bitcoin surpasses the previous ath and we start to hear of some altcoin going to the moon, the bounties will also multiply and the traffic in the altcoins part of the forum will multiply.

Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: robelneo on March 03, 2024, 03:03:52 PM
I think probably the best thing these signature campaigns can do is to increase the number of paid posts from 30 to 50 or 60.
This is worst idea ever :P
Only result from this would be increase of spam and worthless junk posts.
There is not enough discussions to pay for that, and I would reduce number of posts from 30 to 20 or 25 any slightly increase payrate.

I also agree we must concentrate on quality rather than quantity, we will eventually get a good rate since the increase in activity happened just at the start of this year and many more members of Bitcointalk are teleporting here I am satisfied with the rate I just hope I can keep up and many more platforms will pick Altcoinstalks fort their promotion.
I want to see popular casinos launching campaigns here if they launch a long-term campaign here then we can say that Altcoinstalk really level up
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on March 04, 2024, 01:24:25 PM
Looking at their campaign, it seems to be a trial run. They only have 9 participants (excluding manager) which is much fewer than most of other campaigns (i.e. coinomize currently has 55). They also have tracker links, so will be able to monitor traffic coming in from this forum. Interested to see how it'll play out and will they decide to expand the campaign.
Nevertheless, it's a good sign.
If I was a manager of some campaign I would choose smaller number of members, but I would make sure they are all quality posters and I would increase payrate.
I don't see any point in hiring spammers and people who write low value posts and don't contribute anything to forum conversation.

I also agree we must concentrate on quality rather than quantity, we will eventually get a good rate since the increase in activity happened just at the start of this year and many more members of Bitcointalk are teleporting here I am satisfied with the rate I just hope I can keep up and many more platforms will pick Altcoinstalks fort their promotion.
I want to see popular casinos launching campaigns here if they launch a long-term campaign here then we can say that Altcoinstalk really level up
I think standards are a bit higher in bitcointalk forum and there is more quality discussion there, at least for now.
Sponsors and managers are probably thinking that if something is working they should not change it and experiment.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: bitbit97 on March 04, 2024, 03:29:07 PM
Looking at their campaign, it seems to be a trial run. They only have 9 participants (excluding manager) which is much fewer than most of other campaigns (i.e. coinomize currently has 55). They also have tracker links, so will be able to monitor traffic coming in from this forum. Interested to see how it'll play out and will they decide to expand the campaign.
Nevertheless, it's a good sign.
If I was a manager of some campaign I would choose smaller number of members, but I would make sure they are all quality posters and I would increase payrate.
I don't see any point in hiring spammers and people who write low value posts and don't contribute anything to forum conversation.

I also agree we must concentrate on quality rather than quantity, we will eventually get a good rate since the increase in activity happened just at the start of this year and many more members of Bitcointalk are teleporting here I am satisfied with the rate I just hope I can keep up and many more platforms will pick Altcoinstalks fort their promotion.
I want to see popular casinos launching campaigns here if they launch a long-term campaign here then we can say that Altcoinstalk really level up
I think standards are a bit higher in bitcointalk forum and there is more quality discussion there, at least for now.
Sponsors and managers are probably thinking that if something is working they should not change it and experiment.

While you discuss quality of posters and suggest quality over quantity tactics, you have forgotten about such thing as variety. The most members are in campaign, the more different opinions they could have. What is the point of having only 5-10 members, when half of them discuss one and the same thing, have similar vision of things. They make discussion boring or it will go to a dead end someday. While 20+ members can build a real discussion between each other as minimum. It will attract more attention to topic, search engines, signature and project recognition.

What do you think about such option?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on March 06, 2024, 12:43:14 AM
While you discuss quality of posters and suggest quality over quantity tactics, you have forgotten about such thing as variety. The most members are in campaign, the more different opinions they could have. What is the point of having only 5-10 members, when half of them discuss one and the same thing, have similar vision of things. They make discussion boring or it will go to a dead end someday. While 20+ members can build a real discussion between each other as minimum. It will attract more attention to topic, search engines, signature and project recognition.
I think this is a bunch of bollocks.
It's not true that quality members are talking about one and the same things, this is an insult to all of them.
If they are boring to you than maybe you have much bigger problems if you find conversation from spammers more interesting.  :P
Welcome to my ignore list.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: bitbit97 on March 06, 2024, 02:58:24 PM
Before making that comment, you would better open any thread that has 50+ pages minimum and go through all of them. If you would have done it, you have noticed that in general a bunch of 5-10 users discuss one and the same thing all the time.

You probably know how advertisement work only from one side of the coin. From your point of view, you would better hire one person, who would post wall of text and pay him, then instead hire 3 or 5 members who would make brand more noticeable.

P.S. I was never planning to offend or insult you with my post, but it looks like you have taken things personal and showed weakness. Good luck then, bye and have a wonderful day.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on March 07, 2024, 01:12:30 AM
You probably know how advertisement work only from one side of the coin. From your point of view, you would better hire one person, who would post wall of text and pay him, then instead hire 3 or 5 members who would make brand more noticeable.

This is a completely wrong view of the matter.
It makes a big difference if the discussion you read makes sense and adds some value. More attention is being paid to it, and thus to the ads that come with it.
Some uninteresting and endless discussions will certainly not attract attention, therefore the promotion of something will be ignored.

Likewise, the human psyche will connect the brand you promote with what you write. If you write spam and useless posts, whoever reads them will characterize the brand from your signature as such.

Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: bitbit97 on March 07, 2024, 08:31:46 AM
Then I dont know nor understand how promotion work. Then I ask for explanation, why in situation when the manager has gone through users posting history, selected those who are eligible and make quality post, he should decrease number of campaign members and choose only «most quality poster among quality posters» and pay him more. Then maybe it is better to disband all participants, choose only one and pay him $500-1000 per week, just because he most famous poster on the whole forum and grab all the attention?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on March 07, 2024, 11:15:14 AM
Then maybe it is better to disband all participants, choose only one and pay him $500-1000 per week, just because he most famous poster on the whole forum and grab all the attention?

- It is quite possible that there is more than one quality poster.
- Aren't all campaigns limited to a certain number of participants? Some of them have 10-15 participants, according to your understanding, they should halve the payment rate to hire another 10-15 participants.
- Even on the Altt forum there are custom deals where members are paid a fixed amount, regardless of the number of posts.
- There are deals on Btt that you mention. I don't know the exact amount, it may be under $1000 a week, but it's not a negligible amount. And yes, the posts of such users attract much more attention than some nonsense.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: bitbit97 on March 07, 2024, 12:10:28 PM
My original post was related to dkbit98 wish to reduce number of participants in one campaign, but increase their payments. I dont understand why it is going to work. That is why I have posted with irony, that wont it  be better than to hire only 1 instead of reducing?

I dont understand following situation. Projects wants to run a promotional signature campaign to get recognition, new clients. Bounty managers create thread and users post there applications. Manager goes through the list of applications and choose appropriate ones. How ever, dkbit98 suggests to decrease number of already selected participants (because " they are spammers and people who write low value posts and don't contribute anything to forum conversation.") and increase rate.

How is that going to help project to get more recognition? Because the best among best always attract more attention? Then comes my post with irony. Why not then select a God among best of the best and pay him all the money?

Further even more questions rises from me. If there is that one unique member (or few), who he (they) would talk to then? Most effective and quality poster can not post an effective and quality post if he talks with spammers and low quality posters only. I hope that is clear. Then this turns into a bunch of people (those selected quality posters) only talking among each others. How that is going to help project?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on March 08, 2024, 12:37:56 AM
Then this turns into a bunch of people (those selected quality posters) only talking among each others. How that is going to help project?

I have the impression that you are contradicting yourself for a moment, but can you give an example of what I quoted above?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: bitbit97 on March 08, 2024, 10:18:20 AM
Then this turns into a bunch of people (those selected quality posters) only talking among each others. How that is going to help project?

I have the impression that you are contradicting yourself for a moment, but can you give an example of what I quoted above?

Please point where it sounds controversial or I am contradicting myself and I will rephrase that. English is not my native language.

My points were:
1. Decreasing amount of signature participants, but increasing payment rate for those who are left isnt helpful for project that is promoted in signature.
2. Fewer participants, shorten specter of topic to be discussed.

I dont know what should I reply to you about those 4 points you have asked me.

1. I never supported idea of decreasing amount of participants of signature campaign. dbkbit98 wanted to decrease them.
2. Did I really said that? That BM should add more members and decrease current members reward in half? Point please where I have said that.
3. Dont understand what should I comment on here
4. Please point where I have mentioned BTT.

I will try to make it more clear.

Lets say we have a budget of $1000 per week. BM accepts 20 participants with $50/w payment. The campaign receives 100 applications, but BM selects only best 20 among them. dkbit98 suggest to decrease number of participants to 5 or 10, and pay them $200/w or 100$/w, when I suggest to keep those 20 because they would make discussion/conversation/posting on the forum more rich. As a joke, I have asked wont it be better instead to accept just 1 member and pay him $1000/w because his posting is way better than those 19 ?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 05, 2024, 04:10:32 PM
What do you think about this new rule introduced by yahoo62278?

Payments were sent to everyone, there are no open spots this week. I did add a new rule that 1 post MUST be in the winz.io announcement thread. I asked if it was allowed before deciding to add the rule, and it is. This isn't bitcointalk. Failure to follow this new rule will result in no payment.

I've been hesitating whether to comment in the Altcoinstalks Signature Campaign Observer thread, but I think this one is better suited for that matter.

Now the question I have is whether this will induce a copycat effect in the other campaigns, and whether it will lead to spamming the Anns of the services being advertised. I'm not saying it will but it's certainly a possibility.

I myself have commented on the Ann thead of the service I advertise but if I had to do it compulsorily at least 1 time a week to get paid, I'm not saying I would shitpost but surely what I would say would be more generic. Let's multiply that by all the members of the campaign.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: yahoo62278 on April 05, 2024, 04:17:45 PM
What do you think about this new rule introduced by yahoo62278?

Payments were sent to everyone, there are no open spots this week. I did add a new rule that 1 post MUST be in the winz.io announcement thread. I asked if it was allowed before deciding to add the rule, and it is. This isn't bitcointalk. Failure to follow this new rule will result in no payment.

I've been hesitating whether to comment in the Altcoinstalks Signature Campaign Observer thread, but I think this one is better suited for that matter.

Now the question I have is whether this will induce a copycat effect in the other campaigns, and whether it will lead to spamming the Anns of the services being advertised. I'm not saying it will but it's certainly a possibility.

I myself have commented on the Ann thead of the service I advertise but if I had to do it compulsorily at least 1 time a week to get paid, I'm not saying I would shitpost but surely what I would say would be more generic. Let's multiply that by all the members of the campaign.
I personally believe that users should want to help a service that has hired them. Apparently, users do not care who hired them though, only thing that they care about is getting paid.

Do I want to encourage spam in the announcement threads? No, I want to encourage engagement. I want to encourage users to actually visit the site and look around. I want users to say some negative or positive things about the company to help them improve.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: bitbit97 on April 05, 2024, 04:58:53 PM
This might encourage people to post fake info. Not everyone that wear a gambling signature gambles on the platform or gambles at all. I would be good if people would share their experience with winz.io, but I feel like people would go and post something like "I have played game X, I won, I like that game and winz", which wont look organic.

Similar rule was once in one of crypto projects signature campaigns on no link to CT and people mostly go to topic and post a question, when the answer could easily be found in FAQ. Or they never came to read reply or show any engagement. If week started from Monday, then topic was active for few days only; participants made their obligatory post and return in a week.

Such rules is useful from promotion point of view, but from users it will look like forcing to do something. And from my experience, when someone is forced to do something (especially when people are used to freedom), quality suffers greatly.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 05, 2024, 05:22:59 PM
What do you think about this new rule introduced by yahoo62278?

Payments were sent to everyone, there are no open spots this week. I did add a new rule that 1 post MUST be in the winz.io announcement thread. I asked if it was allowed before deciding to add the rule, and it is. This isn't bitcointalk. Failure to follow this new rule will result in no payment.

I would not condition the payment with this rule, but I would keep in the campaign only those who actively participate in the discussion of the brand they are promoting. It can happen to me for a week when I can't constructively participate in a thread and I don't want to spam. I shouldn't be punished for that.

Also, It is not logical for someone to promote a certain brand without knowing anything about it.

I saw it quite a few times on Btt, I think I wrote about it. As an example, in the Bestchange campaign where for more than 4 years, only 7 (out of 25) campaign participants wrote at least one post in their ANN. At the same time, everyone is quite active in the signature thread when discussing why the payment is one day late or why the fee for the payment transaction was set too low.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: paid2 on April 05, 2024, 05:38:03 PM
I agree with examplens, this could be positive in the sense that it would avoid the situation we had on the other forum in the Sinbad campaign, where a participant asked "what is a BTC mixer" after several months of running campaign..

At the same time, once a week per participant is clearly too much. It's easier for a casino than for a mixer, for example. If a business is doing well and not producing new products, it's going to be difficult for some members to stick to 1 post a week. You might as well just ask for bumps from your participants, at least their ANN won't be polluted by meaningless and uninteresting messages...
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on April 05, 2024, 06:02:24 PM
Making a rule that members must create posts in topic of service they are advertising in signature campaign can only result in filling that topic with bunch of spam and worthless posts.
This is the opposite end of not making any posts in topic and not knowing anything about the service you are promoting with your signature.
We should avoid every type of extremism, especially in forums like this. 
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: yahoo62278 on April 06, 2024, 12:15:44 AM
I hear you guys, but need to try something new. If it looks shitty and non organic, then I can always remove the rule.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on April 06, 2024, 05:03:56 AM
I hear you guys, but need to try something new. If it looks shitty and non organic, then I can always remove the rule.

I think you may rethink once again before making that rule a compulsory one. I also agree with the users who said that such rule could lead to spamming on an announcement thread and nothing else.

However, instead of making it a rule, you may make it a suggestion to the applicants of the campaign as that won't be a forced thing and users who get paid from a campaign might spend sometime on their announcement thread willingly.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 06, 2024, 08:40:31 AM
Let's look at things from another angle, what the service/project owner and their manager see here.

I hear you guys, but need to try something new. If it looks shitty and non organic, then I can always remove the rule.

I think you may rethink once again before making that rule a compulsory one. I also agree with the users who said that such rule could lead to spamming on an announcement thread and nothing else.

Although I would act differently, this is a completely legitimate condition for participating in the campaign. (Unlike Btt, it is not forbidden to set such a condition in the campaign here)

Quote
However, instead of making it a rule, you may make it a suggestion to the applicants of the campaign as that won't be a forced thing and users who get paid from a campaign might spend sometime on their announcement thread willingly.

Let's talk about when a rule is set but seems isn't mandatory, and how the participants will behave.

For example, for participation in Unijoin's signature campaign, icopress added a rule that all participants are expected to test Unijoin's service at least once.
The campaign lasts 3+ months, can you check how many participants of their signature campaign tested the service and wrote a review? I found only 3 out of 18 members.
➥ By submitting your application, you agree that once accepted you will test UniJoin and post your review.

An obvious example that justifies yahoo62278's position, if you leave things like this as optional, nobody will care.

I'm curious, how would it look if the manager decided to exclude from the campaign everyone who didn't do a test/review? He would have every right to do that, right?
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 06, 2024, 10:21:35 AM
I see that my comment has sparked an interesting debate, and it has also made me know some curious anecdote like this one:

I agree with examplens, this could be positive in the sense that it would avoid the situation we had on the other forum in the Sinbad campaign, where a participant asked "what is a BTC mixer" after several months of running campaign..

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/06/V70sZ.jpeg)

Source. (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facepalm)

For example, for participation in Unijoin's signature campaign, icopress added a rule that all participants are expected to test Unijoin's service at least once.
The campaign lasts 3+ months, can you check how many participants of their signature campaign tested the service and wrote a review? I found only 3 out of 18 members.

This has caught my attention, and coming to page 8 of the thread I count 5.

notblox1 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314441.msg1466152#msg1466152)

dwyane36 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=post;quote=1534534;topic=317805.45)

Don Pedro Dinero (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314441.msg1473422#msg1473422)

BitMaxz (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314441.msg1473744#msg1473744) (not a review but he shows he has accessed the site)

klarki (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314441.msg1481625#msg1481625)

Stompix (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314441.msg1484645#msg1484645)

And there are others who have not explicitly written a review but you can see in comments that they are familiar with the site, such as paid2, who is very involved, but there are also others who although they have not written a review participate in the thread and you can see that they know what they are talking about.

So the results are not as bad as it might seem in those 3 that you have counted. I think the best solution is to encourage participants to try the service and comment on the thread, without requiring a weekly post but telling them that their participation or not will be taken into account to decide who stays in the campaign.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 06, 2024, 10:46:22 AM
And there are others who have not explicitly written a review but you can see in comments that they are familiar with the site, such as paid2, who is very involved, but there are also others who although they have not written a review participate in the thread and you can see that they know what they are talking about.

I understand this condition as a test Unijoin and wrote a review. Not like, visit the site and write that you visited it.
So I'll quote one more time to make sure I'm reading correctly:
➥ By submitting your application, you agree that once accepted you will test UniJoin and post your review.

If I were to act as a neutral visitor to the forum, I recognized only three reviews that would help me get a clearer picture of what this service offers.
Even if the standards were lowered and this solution accepted as satisfactory, it is still only 6 out of 18 participants even made an effort in 100 days of this campaign.

To be clear, I have nothing against anyone from the campaign, nor is it my business, but if I were the manager, I would not be satisfied with this kind of relationship.

Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: paid2 on April 06, 2024, 11:10:54 AM
If I were to act as a neutral visitor to the forum, I recognized only three reviews that would help me get a clearer picture of what this service offers.
Even if the standards were lowered and this solution accepted as satisfactory, it is still only 6 out of 18 participants even made an effort in 100 days of this campaign.

To be clear, I have nothing against anyone from the campaign, nor is it my business, but if I were the manager, I would not be satisfied with this kind of relationship.

I agree with the idea, a deal is a deal, while at the same time I think that as long as the overall engagement is good, the manager should probably be satisfied. There are many different things that can impact the success of a campaign. For me the only question should be: when a manager is asking for reviews/mandatory ANN posts, is it for the sake of the reviews/posts or to try to give a maximal engagement in the said campaign?

For example, I think it's just as positive to have reviews scattered all over the pages of the ANN, as it is to have them all in one block at the beginning of the topic. This would appear like "fake" to a neutral visitor in my opinion (like empty reviews, superficial content), whereas an organic discussion seems to me to be much more representative of the interest that the participants have in their project.
From my side, I'd prefer post a review using it like a "useful bump" when the ANN is too inactive for a period of time, than post one in the middle of an organic conversation.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 06, 2024, 03:39:13 PM
I agree with the idea, a deal is a deal, while at the same time I think that as long as the overall engagement is good, the manager should probably be satisfied.

I think so. What would be the other way? Kick 12 to 15 participants out of the campaign? If things go as well as they seem to be going, it would be crazy to do that.

There are many different things that can impact the success of a campaign. For me the only question should be: when a manager is asking for reviews/mandatory ANN posts, is it for the sake of the reviews/posts or to try to give a maximal engagement in the said campaign?

That's what I think. I regularly visit the thread and I think there is a good engagement of those who participate in the campaign, many of us are customers of the service, others have not written a review but have a very good involvement with the project, like paid2. In my case I did not write a full review but an addition of comments to the previous one. However, I have made the translation to Spanish of the Ann, I am a customer of the service and I have offered along with paid2 to improve the translation of the site.

I think the manager values this more that people have made a review on page 6 of a thread that is on page 16 today, and that a supposedly neutral visitor of the forum will try to find it.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on April 06, 2024, 08:04:57 PM
I see that my comment has sparked an interesting debate, and it has also made me know some curious anecdote like this one
This was one time post, and I am not going to write there all the time.
It is the same for review, I wont post reviews all the time for the same service.
I dont need to write all the time in that topic if I dont have anything normal to ask or comment.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on April 07, 2024, 07:07:27 AM
Although I would act differently, this is a completely legitimate condition for participating in the campaign. (Unlike Btt, it is not forbidden to set such a condition in the campaign here)
I agree that it's not forbidden on this forum and lies under the rights of a campaign manager but what's the benefit of something that could lead to more spamming? If you are active on Bitcointalk reputation board then you might have idea about the thoughts of the members regarding Stake's signature campaign.
 
Although, the Stake's manager allow the users to make more posts so the platform will have more visibility, and the participants of that campaign are bombarding gambling board with their posts. Many of the members consider the posts of some Stake participants as spam and even if that's allowed by the rules of Bitcointalk but still users aren't happy because they can see spamming by the participants who only post to get paid.

The situation is quite different here, I agree that the rule which yahoo62278 has added isn't a harmful one, but I still fear that if participants are forced then that could lead to spamming in those announcement threads.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 07, 2024, 01:35:42 PM
I agree with the idea, a deal is a deal, while at the same time I think that as long as the overall engagement is good, the manager should probably be satisfied.

I think so. What would be the other way? Kick 12 to 15 participants out of the campaign? If things go as well as they seem to be going, it would be crazy to do that.

Why not? I've seen big purges in the campaign before. At least the participants in the campaign are replaceable.
After all, it doesn't have to be excluded from the campaign, it can also be a halved payment until the criteria set at the opening of the campaign are met.

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I think the manager values this more that people have made a review on page 6 of a thread that is on page 16 today, and that a supposedly neutral visitor of the forum will try to find it.

Links to good review posts can always be added to the first post.

To emphasize once again, this is just a discussion and I'm just stating what I notice. The case with the campaign we are discussing is just one example.

Although, the Stake's manager allow the users to make more posts so the platform will have more visibility, and the participants of that campaign are bombarding gambling board with their posts.

Do not compare amateurs who managed Stake campaigns with serious managers who know their job.  ;)
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 07, 2024, 03:14:27 PM
Why not? I've seen big purges in the campaign before.

In which one? Not on Unijoin.io one as fas as I can remember in ATT. Not of the order of more than 50% of the members of the campaign. Also, I would say that if icopress was not happy with what you say, before taking action he would issue a reminder/warning in the signature campaign thread.

Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 07, 2024, 03:26:17 PM
In which one? Not on Unijoin.io one as fas as I can remember in ATT. Not of the order of more than 50% of the members of the campaign. Also, I would say that if icopress was not happy with what you say, before taking action he would issue a reminder/warning in the signature campaign thread.

In 6 days it will be exactly 10 years since I registered on Bitcointalk. I must say that I have seen many different things when we talk about signature campaigns.
If we ignore the size and payment rate, why do you think that all other conditions should be different just because this is an Altt forum and not a Btt? In the end, signature campaigns always have the same goal, building and promoting the brand.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 08, 2024, 03:03:10 PM
In 6 days it will be exactly 10 years since I registered on Bitcointalk. I must say that I have seen many different things when we talk about signature campaigns.
If we ignore the size and payment rate, why do you think that all other conditions should be different just because this is an Altt forum and not a Btt? In the end, signature campaigns always have the same goal, building and promoting the brand.

Hey examplens, I wouldn't want to argue much more with you because sometimes when two people don't stop arguing about something, in the end instead of trying to find common ground, what they do is find reasons to try to further justify their position. What I said before I said because you said:

I think so. What would be the other way? Kick 12 to 15 participants out of the campaign? If things go as well as they seem to be going, it would be crazy to do that.

Why not? I've seen big purges in the campaign before.

So said it would appear that you have seen purges in this campaign at ATT, which I doubt.

But it seems that this debate has somehow drawn attention to the manager, as in his most recent post in the campaign (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314529.msg1536223#msg1536223) he refers to this thread, with which I understand that he may consider those who have not done the review on Unijoin as possible candidates if he decides to get rid of someone.

Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on April 08, 2024, 03:43:05 PM
I hear you guys, but need to try something new. If it looks shitty and non organic, then I can always remove the rule.
You have this rule in one or more of your campaigns?  :o
Was it you who came up with this idea, or the service you are working with asked you to make this rule change in their campaign?
I understand some rules need to exist in any campaign but I am for giving more liberty to members than limitations.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on April 08, 2024, 04:38:11 PM
I personally believe that users should want to help a service that has hired them. Apparently, users do not care who hired them though, only thing that they care about is getting paid.

Do I want to encourage spam in the announcement threads? No, I want to encourage engagement. I want to encourage users to actually visit the site and look around. I want users to say some negative or positive things about the company to help them improve.

Hired them? Do you consider signature participants to be employees of the business they advertising?
I think the general agreement was that signature spaces were being hired, not participants themselves. But this is crossing into a different territory.

I do understand your logic, but this is effectively paying for bumping ANN threads, which is ethically dubious to say the least.

And we all know that people posting negative things about the service (e.g. pointing out higher house edge than that of competitors or criticising lack of transparency in disclosing house edge) will probably not be welcomed by the service being advertised, so you'll likely end up with astroturfing.

I hear you guys, but need to try something new. If it looks shitty and non organic, then I can always remove the rule.

Fair enough. But I think if you have to force participants to post in ANN threads, it'll be non-organic by definition.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 09, 2024, 04:00:29 PM
I would like to open another point of discussion here. How do you think converting karma into tokens can influence campaigns? If it is a metric that has been used so far to evaluate candidates, it should be less taken into account if at all. Because someone has a lot of karma they can convert it to tokens and become 0 karma.

I also see that my campaign manager notes in the spreadsheet the evolution of the karma we are earning weekly. I don't know if this will continue to make sense if people start exchanging their karma for tokens on a massive scale.

In my case, I don't think I'm going to do it, because I think it's going to be pennies.

Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 09, 2024, 08:18:10 PM
I would like to open another point of discussion here. How do you think converting karma into tokens can influence campaigns? If it is a metric that has been used so far to evaluate candidates, it should be less taken into account if at all. Because someone has a lot of karma they can convert it to tokens and become 0 karma.

I also see that my campaign manager notes in the spreadsheet the evolution of the karma we are earning weekly. I don't know if this will continue to make sense if people start exchanging their karma for tokens on a massive scale.

In my case, I don't think I'm going to do it, because I think it's going to be pennies.

I believe that you will roll your eyes when you see that I am replying to you   :D

I can't find the admin's post, but I read it somewhere and I think that there is no conversion of karma points into ALTT tokens anymore, but only activity points.
Take this with a grain of salt because I can't find a reference (I guess it's not from the chatbox) but I am quite convinced of it.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: yahoo62278 on April 10, 2024, 02:11:34 AM
I personally believe that users should want to help a service that has hired them. Apparently, users do not care who hired them though, only thing that they care about is getting paid.

Do I want to encourage spam in the announcement threads? No, I want to encourage engagement. I want to encourage users to actually visit the site and look around. I want users to say some negative or positive things about the company to help them improve.

Hired them? Do you consider signature participants to be employees of the business they advertising?
I think the general agreement was that signature spaces were being hired, not participants themselves. But this is crossing into a different territory.

I do understand your logic, but this is effectively paying for bumping ANN threads, which is ethically dubious to say the least.

And we all know that people posting negative things about the service (e.g. pointing out higher house edge than that of competitors or criticising lack of transparency in disclosing house edge) will probably not be welcomed by the service being advertised, so you'll likely end up with astroturfing.

I hear you guys, but need to try something new. If it looks shitty and non organic, then I can always remove the rule.

Fair enough. But I think if you have to force participants to post in ANN threads, it'll be non-organic by definition.
Not disputing your thoughts 1 bit. Normally I wouldn't even consider making a rule asking for a post in the announcement thread either, but when a campaign has ran for 3 weeks and has a total of 9 posts made in it during that 3 weeks....  It just showed me a I might consider couple different things, A. there is not enough traffic to bring campaigns to this forum and B. people just don't care to support the companies that might be renting their space.

I agree that people are renting their space and normally, if there is enough traffic or activity in the company thread, that users can just go posting like normal and have no worries. Honestly, when I barely see any activity in the gambling sections period, I wonder how to we keep gambling sites interested in advertising here?

I know making them make a post in the company thread isn't the answer. I'll likely remove the rule after this week, but hopefully it opens up some eyes. Hopefully it makes users think about how thery might be of more help not only to their wallets, but to the idea of signature campaigns. Noone interested in advertising, means no more money to be made, means people weren't doing what was needed IMO.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Jokers on April 10, 2024, 10:57:23 AM
I can't find the admin's post, but I read it somewhere and I think that there is no conversion of karma points into ALTT tokens anymore, but only activity points.
Take this with a grain of salt because I can't find a reference (I guess it's not from the chatbox) but I am quite convinced of it.

These things are not something eternal, there are many things on the forum which can change with time. Like rank requirements, time gap for giving karma, possibility of changing karma into forum tokens. This possibility first was revoked several years ago, then this year admin said (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320027.msg1535178#msg1535178) that it likely will be available next withdrawal time. Don't think about it as about something absolute, just look at the rules when the next withdrawal time. ;)

I don't know if this will continue to make sense if people start exchanging their karma for tokens on a massive scale.

If someone wishes to change their reputation into tokens, why shouldn't it still have sense? It's a personal choice and why others should give an opportunity for him both to get tokens for karma and to keep karma beneficial attitude? ;)

Honestly, when I barely see any activity in the gambling sections period, I wonder how to we keep gambling sites interested in advertising here?

Yes, that's the point, we still need more activity and traffic. If we'll succeed, there will be more interested in advertising here, if not then no imitation of activity will work in the long prospective. ???
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 10, 2024, 03:47:40 PM
I can't find the admin's post, but I read it somewhere and I think that there is no conversion of karma points into ALTT tokens anymore, but only activity points.
Take this with a grain of salt because I can't find a reference (I guess it's not from the chatbox) but I am quite convinced of it.

Look, the thread is a bit confusing because the title says this:

Karma can no longer be converted into Tokens (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320027.0)

So someone who looks at the 'forum related' section but doesn't enter the thread gets the idea from the title, however:

a switch back might be possible , still working on some issues.
but might allow karma to ALTT again

updated, rule valid again

I asked in the thread for the title to be changed, but the OP has not listened to me, at least so far.

If someone wishes to change their reputation into tokens, why shouldn't it still have sense?

I meant that it doesn't make sense that in that hypothetical case campaign managers would still use karma as a good metric to decide if you are a good poster or not, because you could be a great poster and have a 0 karma because you have converted.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on April 10, 2024, 09:26:34 PM
I'll likely remove the rule after this week, but hopefully it opens up some eyes. Hopefully it makes users think about how thery might be of more help not only to their wallets, but to the idea of signature campaigns.
That is a move in good direction.
You can still be creative and have other rules that can ask from members to test and write reviews about service they are advertising in their signatures.
This is better for everyone and it would make members actually learn something more about specific service.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on April 10, 2024, 11:19:45 PM
(...) but when a campaign has ran for 3 weeks and has a total of 9 posts made in it during that 3 weeks....  It just showed me a I might consider couple different things, A. there is not enough traffic to bring campaigns to this forum and B. people just don't care to support the companies that might be renting their space.

To be fair, activity in the ANN thread doesn't have to go in line with website traffic. Often times the most active gambling ANNs are casinos that are having some problems, i.e. delayed withdrawals, non-responsive customer service, rumours of site owner being dead  ;D (see BitVest) etc.
If the site operates smoothly and doesn't have any contests/promos going on, it's quite normal that their ANN thread can get very quiet.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Jokers on April 11, 2024, 12:42:16 PM
If someone wishes to change their reputation into tokens, why shouldn't it still have sense?

I meant that it doesn't make sense that in that hypothetical case campaign managers would still use karma as a good metric to decide if you are a good poster or not, because you could be a great poster and have a 0 karma because you have converted.

Right, but isn't it the problem of the one who will decide to change his reputation into tokens? ;)

There are many good posters on the forum and as for now there is no big shortage of them for the campaigns. And I guess most good posters will not change their karma (this process is not mandatory, it is a personal choice always), so campaign managers can ignore the problem of single ones who would like to change their reputation into tokens. ::)
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: bettercrypto on April 11, 2024, 12:43:59 PM
I want to hear from other members what type of changes and improvements they want to see in altcoinstalks forum campaigns.

Everyone surely wants to see higher payment rates but please write anything else as your suggestions except payment.

Currently, the forum impressions are not as high as the other forum and I don't think we will see an increase in payment rates maybe after 2 or 3 months if we see many people joining here on the forum and get huge impressions we might see rates increase.
Don't forget altcoin season is coming I think after a few months or maybe next year but for now it's too vague to see payment rates increase soon unless they force people to make high-quality posts.

Maybe it's better that others don't think that the rate here in this forum is low, because the important thing that I see that the community members should focus on here on this platform is the quality discussion that can benefit many. the idea or knowledge that can be used even if we are outside of this field.

And it should not be compared as much as other communities in other platform forums because it has something that other platforms don't have. So for now, let's enjoy our discussions in this forum and do the right tasks that we have on this platform.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on April 14, 2024, 11:37:16 PM
On bitcointalk, theymos has banned Jambler campaign yesterday (effective from April 22nd):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63941099#msg63941099
So there's a chance another campaign will be moved to this forum.

I think they had ~24 participants and were the highest-paying campaign.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: armanda90 on April 14, 2024, 11:56:17 PM
On bitcointalk, theymos has banned Jambler campaign yesterday (effective from April 22nd):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63941099#msg63941099
So there's a chance another campaign will be moved to this forum.

I think they had ~24 participants and were the highest-paying campaign.
Seems waiting will Jmbler moving their campaign to altcoinstalk forum? currently the had 24 active participants there with rate $4 per post, its mean get many participants in altcoinstalk forum has more lower rate than bitcointalk.
Currently Theymos have banned Jambler as final decision although in board mixer thread still discussing and some user of Jembler presented about Jambler is different than other mixer project.
Lets waiting the continues with Jambler and wish both side get good result and seems good if promote on both side btt and altcoinstalk.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on April 15, 2024, 11:23:21 PM
On bitcointalk, theymos has banned Jambler campaign yesterday (effective from April 22nd):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63941099#msg63941099
So there's a chance another campaign will be moved to this forum.
Many people are expecting to see higher payrates in Altcoinstalks forum campaigns and maybe Jambler will make that happen if they continue with their signature campaign here.

I think this stupid campaign manager war will continue until the last member is standing alive, or until everything is destroyed.  :o
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Jokers on April 16, 2024, 07:10:12 AM
Many people are expecting to see higher payrates in Altcoinstalks forum campaigns and maybe Jambler will make that happen if they continue with their signature campaign here.

It's more likely that the payrates will depend on activity on the forum and its traffic for long time, more than on which campaign is starting here. Even if they want to get some certain posters purposefully the overall forum activity impacts a lot. So those who are still without a sig and who want to get some in the future still can try to make some positive contributions so that the projects wanted to start more campaigns here. :)
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 16, 2024, 03:48:03 PM
It's more likely that the payrates will depend on activity on the forum and its traffic for long time, more than on which campaign is starting here. Even if they want to get some certain posters purposefully the overall forum activity impacts a lot. So those who are still without a sig and who want to get some in the future still can try to make some positive contributions so that the projects wanted to start more campaigns here. :)

More activity is needed on this forum. I mean the activity of several different users, not just a few.

Maybe managers can attract some users through (mostly gambling) contests similar to those on Btt. From this, small rather active communities are created, maybe they can be comfortable here too.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 16, 2024, 05:58:39 PM
It's more likely that the payrates will depend on activity on the forum and its traffic for long time, more than on which campaign is starting here. Even if they want to get some certain posters purposefully the overall forum activity impacts a lot. So those who are still without a sig and who want to get some in the future still can try to make some positive contributions so that the projects wanted to start more campaigns here. :)

Yes, well, but the way I see it, if that campaign were to come here and some of its members were to teleport too, it could only be positive for the forum, as they are generally members who write of a high quality. It would be another small step to further increase the quality and traffic, which can snowball, in a positive sense, and make more companies think about advertising here. So I think it would help to improve the overall performance of the forum, even if it's just one more boost.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on April 16, 2024, 07:55:47 PM
Yes, well, but the way I see it, if that campaign were to come here and some of its members were to teleport too, it could only be positive for the forum, as they are generally members who write of a high quality.
I think you have a valid point and I agree with it. The members at the campaign are some of the top quality posters, and if they teleport here to join that campaign then that could be beneficial for the forum.

Good quality posters can be valuable assets for a forum because their posts/threads can help the forum to gain more exposure on search engines and that results in more traffic. Overtime, the pay rates of the campaigns will increase on this forum.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on April 16, 2024, 08:45:00 PM
It's more likely that the payrates will depend on activity on the forum and its traffic for long time, more than on which campaign is starting here. Even if they want to get some certain posters purposefully the overall forum activity impacts a lot. So those who are still without a sig and who want to get some in the future still can try to make some positive contributions so that the projects wanted to start more campaigns here. :)
This is all connected with activity.
When managers offer members better payrates they can attract more quality members that can increase activity in a good way.
One quality member is worth more than ten family members with all their altaccounts from uncles, wifes and grandparents.  ;D


Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Jokers on April 17, 2024, 11:11:05 AM
One quality member is worth more than ten family members with all their altaccounts from uncles, wifes and grandparents.  ;D

You forget about separate accounts for goldfish, pet turtle and cat, they also want to say their own words about crypto on the forum! Unfortunately forum staff is cruel and tries to prevent pets from using our forum, it's only for human beings, with enough intelligence! ;D

And I hope our efforts are good enough for the crypto projects to hold a representative on the forum and for some to have a campaign as well. :)
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on April 17, 2024, 01:09:16 PM
You forget about separate accounts for goldfish, pet turtle and cat, they also want to say their own words about crypto on the forum! Unfortunately forum staff is cruel and tries to prevent pets from using our forum, it's only for human beings, with enough intelligence! ;D
When someone think himself too smart and other too stupid then such things take place. That guy could literally prove that even pets in his home have accounts and they know how to write good articles about crypto currencies.

Ah, that's when the person forgets that others are also smart enough and they will one day found that the pets weren't writing the posts but their owners was the one writing those posts. The owner leaves the forum by saying that you guys insulted my pets. ;)

The situation of that guy was quite tough, and he did his best to prove that it wasn't only he who was running those accounts but his whole family was having accounts and they all were present on this forum. What a fail attempt to convince others.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 17, 2024, 03:59:30 PM
Well, so far we already have the Jambler.io's ANN thread  (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320473.0)on the forum. We would expect a signature campaign to try to capture the best posters and maybe some more to teleport in. Let's hope this will be the case and contribute to further increase the quality and traffic of the forum.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 17, 2024, 04:15:04 PM
Well, so far we already have the Jambler.io's ANN thread  (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320473.0)on the forum. We would expect a signature campaign to try to capture the best posters and maybe some more to teleport in. Let's hope this will be the case and contribute to further increase the quality and traffic of the forum.
Several of their partners are already present here, I honestly don't think they will launch a signature campaign because they are already present here in marketing.
They did not insist on a signature campaign at Btt either, while all the mixers were present there.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on April 17, 2024, 04:15:21 PM
Well, so far we already have the Jambler.io's ANN thread  (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320473.0)on the forum. We would expect a signature campaign to try to capture the best posters and maybe some more to teleport in. Let's hope this will be the case and contribute to further increase the quality and traffic of the forum.

Good spot.
I'm almost sure that the campaign will follow. I don't think they would bother to have presence in this forum with the ANN thread only. They have nothing to lose and no real alternatives.
Or maybe they'll just go with buying some forum ads instead. We'll see soon.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on April 17, 2024, 10:26:15 PM
I'm almost sure that the campaign will follow. I don't think they would bother to have presence in this forum with the ANN thread only. They have nothing to lose and no real alternatives.
I think the same as you, but there is no need for them to rush things with new campaign, they are going to leave competition sweating a little and thinking about what could happen and when.
Interesting times ahead of us here with signature campaigns, so everyone better improve quality of your posts ;)
I think we can soon see a new wave of members joining this forum.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: JoyMarsha on April 17, 2024, 10:55:32 PM
Yes, well, but the way I see it, if that campaign were to come here and some of its members were to teleport too, it could only be positive for the forum, as they are generally members who write of a high quality.
I think we have seen them here, quality posters and campaign managers teleporting themselves here because of the campaigns that are been host or to be hosted.

I think this forum has made a positive dimension since the arrival of mixer campaigns and the visitors that visits this forum is regularly increasing by day since January that campaigns are being launch here.

Currently, there should be five or more campaigns running in this forum and those campaigns project are getting the audience that needed their services they rendered
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: milewilda on April 17, 2024, 11:28:42 PM
Yes, well, but the way I see it, if that campaign were to come here and some of its members were to teleport too, it could only be positive for the forum, as they are generally members who write of a high quality.
I think we have seen them here, quality posters and campaign managers teleporting themselves here because of the campaigns that are been host or to be hosted.

I think this forum has made a positive dimension since the arrival of mixer campaigns and the visitors that visits this forum is regularly increasing by day since January that campaigns are being launch here.

Currently, there should be five or more campaigns running in this forum and those campaigns project are getting the audience that needed their services they rendered
Based up on my own observation on which this forum had been up for a while now, it is really just that this time it did really have that spike specially of teleported users
and that was just because of that Mixer campaign ban on BTT itself on which there's no other place on which those things would really be making out their ads or something
that would really be relevant place or correlated with it. This is why its not really that shocking that this place did really get that much attention.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on April 18, 2024, 08:13:50 PM
I think this forum has made a positive dimension since the arrival of mixer campaigns and the visitors that visits this forum is regularly increasing by day since January that campaigns are being launch here.
I think you're right, the forum has made some growth in number of posts/members after the arrival of mixer campaigns, and admin has played his role by allowing teleportation of accounts from Bitcointalk to this forum.

This forum is no more a hidden forum in crypto community because it's the 2nd top forum for crypto users after Bitcointalk, and it's only because of the mixer campaigns. I think in those mixer campaigns Icopress has played a very important role by increasing the payrates of the members who are participating in the signature campaigns that are under his management.

I know the forum doesn't have similar kind of traffic like Bitcointalk but the amount he's paying to the participants of the campaigns is appreciate worthy. I hope that overtime other mixer campaigns and campaign managers will thinking about increasing the pay rates of the campaigns to make the rates more competitive.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: JoyMarsha on April 18, 2024, 11:43:15 PM
I think this forum has made a positive dimension since the arrival of mixer campaigns and the visitors that visits this forum is regularly increasing by day since January that campaigns are being launch here.
I think you're right, the forum has made some growth in number of posts/members after the arrival of mixer campaigns, and admin has played his role by allowing teleportation of accounts from Bitcointalk to this forum.

This forum is no more a hidden forum in crypto community because it's the 2nd top forum for crypto users after Bitcointalk, and it's only because of the mixer campaigns. I think in those mixer campaigns Icopress has played a very important role by increasing the payrates of the members who are participating in the signature campaigns that are under his management.

I know the forum doesn't have similar kind of traffic like Bitcointalk but the amount he's paying to the participants of the campaigns is appreciate worthy. I hope that overtime other mixer campaigns and campaign managers will thinking about increasing the pay rates of the campaigns to make the rates more competitive.
Yeah, over time when the traffic has increased many other mixer campaigns that will be launched as the forum progresses with a lot of traffic. At least this forum has been known as the second most active forum where related topics of crypto are talked about.

on that note, I appreciate those who have kept this forum going before the arrival mixers campaigns and the teleported members of BTT.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on April 19, 2024, 03:36:48 PM
At least this forum has been known as the second most active forum where related topics of crypto are talked about.
Yes, this forum is the 2nd most visited forum for crypto related topics after Bitcointalk, and I believe it could have its own genre because of the mixers. The mixer campaigns and the reputed manager who brought those campaigns on this forum are appreciate worthy.

The Bitcointalk doesn't allow mixers and all those services that have any kind of link with mixers. If we look deep at that then Jambler.io isn't a mixer technically but now Bitcointalk has banned it as well because it allows others to create mixers.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on April 20, 2024, 12:26:05 AM
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Interesting times ahead of us here with signature campaigns, so everyone better improve quality of your posts ;)
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Nah, let's not get so drastic  ;D

Yes, this forum is the 2nd most visited forum for crypto related topics after Bitcointalk, and I believe it could have its own genre because of the mixers.
Yup, mixers simply don't have anywhere else to go. The only other alternatives are ads on crypto-related sites, but I think signatures work better.

If we look deep at that then Jambler.io isn't a mixer technically but now Bitcointalk has banned it as well because it allows others to create mixers.
I haven't dived too deep into whether Jambler is or isn't a mixer. From the quick reading I did, I understand they do the mixing themselves but on behalf of their partners rather than individual customers.
Anyhow, I don't expect theymos to change his mind on this one.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: examplens on April 20, 2024, 02:46:10 AM
Yes, this forum is the 2nd most visited forum for crypto related topics after Bitcointalk, and I believe it could have its own genre because of the mixers.
Yup, mixers simply don't have anywhere else to go. The only other alternatives are ads on crypto-related sites, but I think signatures work better.
Maybe I will disappoint you, but there are other places besides Btt and Altt where crypto users gather. More than half of currently known and active mixers are not present on any mentioned forum, but they still have their users.
There is no room for relaxation under the pretext that this is the only promotion channel and that mixers are forced to use it. And here I agree with dkbit98, we should pay attention to the quality of the discussion if we want to keep sponsors.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on April 20, 2024, 10:08:41 PM
What do you guys think is the best way for managers to pay weekly signature campaigns when bitcoin fees are so high?

Yup, mixers simply don't have anywhere else to go. The only other alternatives are ads on crypto-related sites, but I think signatures work better.
Are you sure there are no other forums or places they can go to advertise their services?

I have one crazy idea to get altcoinstalk forum more popular, by creating promotional campaign in bitcointalk forum  ;D
I dont know if admin is interested in doing that, but they can create signatures and start with their accounts.

Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: electronicash on April 20, 2024, 10:35:05 PM

^ what about the russian no link to CT?
its not so busy but i found users here that are also there. they use to be promoting in BTT but since its related to yobit, its been frowned upon. i thin the forum is busy still. i'm just not aware how things work there. mixers has to be with crypto related contents but the casino companies i think can target users in sports and casino forums, internet users are already aware cryptocurrencies, anyone who have been making transactions online knows stablecoin and BTC.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: paid2 on April 21, 2024, 12:38:03 AM
What so you guys think is the best way for managers to pay weekly signature campaigns when bitcoin fees are so high?

If we promote a BTC service, payment should be done in BTC in my opinion. I know some people consider LTC for sig campaigns payments when fees are high,

From my side, I would prefer a monthly BTC payment instead of weekly.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on April 21, 2024, 04:43:51 AM
If we promote a BTC service, payment should be done in BTC in my opinion. I know some people consider LTC for sig campaigns payments when fees are high,

From my side, I would prefer a monthly BTC payment instead of weekly.
I also agree with your opinion, the payments should be done in BTC instead of any other cryptocurrency because here we are promoting a service which is for Bitcoin mixing, and that's why payment of such service should also be in Bitcoin.

I also prefer monthly Bitcoin payment if fees remain high the way they are right now. Yesterday the fees were too high but today they have calmed down a little bit. However, until fees don't go down, a monthly payment in BTC would be much better.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 21, 2024, 10:01:31 AM
If we promote a BTC service, payment should be done in BTC in my opinion. I know some people consider LTC for sig campaigns payments when fees are high,

From my side, I would prefer a monthly BTC payment instead of weekly.

I also agree with your opinion, the payments should be done in BTC instead of any other cryptocurrency because here we are promoting a service which is for Bitcoin mixing, and that's why payment of such service should also be in Bitcoin.

Same. And from what I read from our manager on other occasions, payment in anything other than bitcoin is not even on the table. All the more reason because we advertise a bitcoin mixer as you both say. I would also say that if the fees remain high but not too high he will try to continue with the weekly payment. In this war of managers, in BTT some time ago with the increase of the fees some managers delayed the payments while icopress kept the weekly payments.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on April 21, 2024, 12:34:55 PM
If we promote a BTC service, payment should be done in BTC in my opinion. I know some people consider LTC for sig campaigns payments when fees are high,

From my side, I would prefer a monthly BTC payment instead of weekly.
Monthly payment in bitcoin would work better for me, but maybe this wont be the best for all campaigns and all members.
I think we should have something ready whenever situations like this with high bitcoin fees happening.
It is going to be beneficial for everyone.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: pawel7777 on April 22, 2024, 11:55:48 PM
Are you sure there are no other forums or places they can go to advertise their services?
Oh, I'm sure there are many, but this is the 2nd biggest crypto-forum, so if it's not big enough to be worth advertising here, then there's no point of moving to even less active places.

I have one crazy idea to get altcoinstalk forum more popular, by creating promotional campaign in bitcointalk forum  ;D
I dont know if admin is interested in doing that, but they can create signatures and start with their accounts.

Haha, that's some outside-of-box thinking. I like the idea. They should do it even just for a laugh. They could start some low-budget campaign aimed for Senior members or below who can't find a place in any other campaign and just run it for a month or so and see if there's any effect.
And, to be fair, if they approached it seriously and hit the right tone, i.e. emphasising that a lot of banned signature campaigns have moved here and that anyone can teleport their account, that could give quite good results.


What do you guys think is the best way for managers to pay weekly signature campaigns when bitcoin fees are so high?

In exceptional circumstances, most people would probably be OK if the payment frequency was temporarily reduced or just payments delayed by a week. Those who are desperate to get their earnings on time, could ask to get paid in other crypto, either by a manager or even by other participants, who then could get their BTC payment instead.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: SamReomo on April 23, 2024, 04:26:59 AM
I'm sure there are many, but this is the 2nd biggest crypto-forum, so if it's not big enough to be worth advertising here, then there's no point of moving to even less active places.
I believe you're right if they miss the 2nd most active crypto forum for advertising then what would they gain by advertising on forums where activity is far less than this forum.

The projects who are serious about their growth would first prefer Bitcointalk and after that they will consider this forum.

These two forums are far more active than other crypto forums we have on the internet, and if I'm not wrong then only on those two forums members can currently earn from signature campaigns.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: paid2 on April 23, 2024, 09:58:00 AM
Oh, I'm sure there are many, but this is the 2nd biggest crypto-forum, so if it's not big enough to be worth advertising here, then there's no point of moving to even less active places.

Ok but some other kind of places than crypto forums works too, for example forums or websites related to online privacy/OPSEC management, some on Tor network are very popular for example.

And there are many other way to do advertisement than forums, a simpler banner on the right static website can do miracles sometimes.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Jokers on April 23, 2024, 10:15:30 AM
Ok but some other kind of places than crypto forums works too, for example forums or websites related to online privacy/OPSEC management, some on Tor network are very popular for example.

And there are many other way to do advertisement than forums, a simpler banner on the right static website can do miracles sometimes.

When there was a discussion about the ban on mixer promoting on BTT, some mixer representatives said that BTT was a good place for them to have a platform in the open net where to communicate with their clients or potential clients and where they can solve the problems their clients can have. So it is not just about advertising, it is about a place of interaction. BTT was traditional and useful for that, AltcoinsTalks is trying to be a new place for that. Let's see what result we'll get. :)
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: paid2 on April 23, 2024, 10:58:30 AM
When there was a discussion about the ban on mixer promoting on BTT, some mixer representatives said that BTT was a good place for them to have a platform in the open net where to communicate with their clients or potential clients and where they can solve the problems their clients can have. So it is not just about advertising, it is about a place of interaction. BTT was traditional and useful for that, AltcoinsTalks is trying to be a new place for that. Let's see what result we'll get. :)

I totally agree with you, indeed it's essential for them to be present on the clear. I myself believe in altcointalks' potential for promoting privacy oriented projects, due to the admin's flexibility and responsiveness; and I have the impression that discussions are becoming more and more numerous on the forum, so I'm confident. But my previous answer to pawel7777 was meant in the sense that we can't pretend that there aren't other forums and places for online promotion.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: dkbit98 on April 23, 2024, 10:09:50 PM
When there was a discussion about the ban on mixer promoting on BTT, some mixer representatives said that BTT was a good place for them to have a platform in the open net where to communicate with their clients or potential clients and where they can solve the problems their clients can have. So it is not just about advertising, it is about a place of interaction. BTT was traditional and useful for that, AltcoinsTalks is trying to be a new place for that. Let's see what result we'll get. :)
I think they are still testing the ''waters''.
They should first start with creating accounts here and being more active, and I don't see many of them doing this.
It's fine if campaign managers create ANN topics and do most of the things related with their service, but members always prefer to hear directly from service representatives.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on April 23, 2024, 11:52:08 PM
Oh, I'm sure there are many, but this is the 2nd biggest crypto-forum, so if it's not big enough to be worth advertising here, then there's no point of moving to even less active places.
I am sure there are big darknet forums that have some promotion campaigns.
I dont know any other active forums that are similar to bitcointalk and this forum.

Haha, that's some outside-of-box thinking. I like the idea. They should do it even just for a laugh. They could start some low-budget campaign aimed for Senior members or below who can't find a place in any other campaign and just run it for a month or so and see if there's any effect.
And, to be fair, if they approached it seriously and hit the right tone, i.e. emphasising that a lot of banned signature campaigns have moved here and that anyone can teleport their account, that could give quite good results.
It can be free for start.
Admin and other members have accounts in bitcointalk forum so they can start promotion campaign,
We are not allowed to advertise mixers there, but we can promote altcoinstalks forum with mixers.
I am expecting a bonus from campaign managers if they adopt my proposal  ;D

Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: Cantsay on April 24, 2024, 12:26:46 AM
Monthly payment in bitcoin would work better for me, but maybe this wont be the best for all campaigns and all members.

Even if they send it weekly we still won’t be able to receive it until there’s a drop in transaction fee so instead of allowing the payment to remain stock in mempool while not just allow campaign manager hold them and send at the end of the month. It might not be convenient for all members but thats still much better than the current situation that’s wasting sats.

I’m also in for monthly payments if the campaign manager would agree to it.
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: JoyMarsha on April 26, 2024, 10:44:25 PM
If we promote a BTC service, payment should be done in BTC in my opinion. I know some people consider LTC for sig campaigns payments when fees are high,

From my side, I would prefer a monthly BTC payment instead of weekly.
I don't think the majority of forum members would go with the idea since there will be some members who would like to sell some part of their bitcoin payment to cater for themselves and family.

Don't be surprised that there are members of the forum who depend solely on the weekly payments, some who don't depend on their weekly payment in bitcoin, still prefer to be paid for their work done for promoting a campaign weekly rather than monthly. All the same, the campaign managers should decide the best way to go about paying their signature participants in a way that will suit everyone, even if it is to have a delayed payment because of the high rise in bitcoin transaction fees
Title: Re: Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.
Post by: notblox1 on April 26, 2024, 11:18:07 PM
Even if they send it weekly we still won’t be able to receive it until there’s a drop in transaction fee so instead of allowing the payment to remain stock in mempool while not just allow campaign manager hold them and send at the end of the month. It might not be convenient for all members but thats still much better than the current situation that’s wasting sats.
I think this is going to work better for everyone, members and campaign managers, but I didnt see any manager commenting if they are interested to make this changes happen.
There are not many of them I am sure they saw us writing about that, but maybe we can ask them again in private.
Better to do this only for established campaigns and trusted managers to avoid scams.