🦎 SwampLizard.io - Bitcoin Mixer

[dkbit98]

Boilerplate ToS to try to distance themselves from US and EU AML laws. Whir.to does that too, but I don't think these people are actually enforcing any of these restrictions unlike say Ginger Wallet.

They can't enforce anything but customers should be aware of that in case of any legal issues arise.

Hi dkbit98, I agree with you, it's a strange name, I couldn't think of anything better that day. but I found it funny and original and finally I decided to register it.

Name is less important if you take your business seriously and if you provide a good service.
I would probably choose something different, but it is easier to remember SwampLizard between all other mixing services

[NotATether]

Can't we decide earlier how many inputs we want? I know we can add 2 addresses,  maybe we could add more, one for each transaction,?

I had the opportunity to try SwampLizard with two addresses yesterday (simple mode), and I've got to say, it was pretty good, but there can be improvements.

Before starting I did use a VPN and also a user agent switcher in order to avoid my location and device being sent to the service or to any CDN.

First of all, splitting up the address into two parts means that you're going to receive one large part in the first address, and then a small part in the second address a few blocks later.* The mixing process was finished after about 6 hours, although I was expecting it to take longer.

Second, it's using Jambler for the mixing. I was able to verify my letter of guarantee with Jambler's PGP key, so that's how I know. And also it looks like a boilerplate Jambler letter so there is that. When I checked on the block explorer, the receiving address for the mixer did not even move the funds anywhere - there was only the one receiving transaction, so there is a complete disconnect between the source and the destination addresses.

I also did some AML checking using Bestchange (which uses WhiteBit's checker) and AMLbot. By the way, I feel as though AMLbot's pricing is a ripoff - literally one check for $3 compared to $0.20 for Bestchange's service. But I did do that and I got some good results. Addresses redacted for privacy reasons. Duh.

BestChange:

For address 1:
● Sanctions 0.30%
● Exchange licensed 95.10%
● Miner 4.50%

For address 2:
● Miner 100.00%

Strangely, BestChange labels the first address "risky" because of the 0.30% sanctions amount, while the second one is "reliable". This is despite neither address having any other transactions associated with them. I wasn't able to get an AML percentage from BestChange's service though.

Also, may I take some time to talk about this?

Trusted sources

...
Seized assets — assets seized as a result of law enforcement actions for the victim's benefit.

WTF?? So a western government touching dark market money or North Korea's stolen money automatically becomes "clean" just because the AML source said so?

AMLbot:

For address 1:
Low risk address
Risk: 11.5%

Detailed analysis:

 Low risk
  •   Miner - 4.5%
  •   Exchange - 95.2%

 High Risk
  •   Sanctions - 0.2%

For address 2:
Low risk address
Risk: 10.9%

Detailed analysis:

 Low risk
  •   Miner - 96.6%
  •   Exchange - 2.2%

 Medium risk
  •   Exchange | High Risk - 1.1%

The fact that these checkers disagree with each other on the nature of these type of funds goes on to show that they are just using some pseudo-scientific guesswork in order to slap a label on the address.

But hey at least the AML level is between 0% - 25%, right?

We might hate AML scores, and exchanges might not want to care about them, but the fact of the law is that we need to at least know the scores of our various addresses in order to avoid having to give even more sensitive and irrelevant documents to these platforms.

*Actually, the two transactions were just two blocks apart. Which is very strange since I was thinking for privacy purposes it would be better to send the second transaction after a few dozen more blocks had been mined.

[examplens]

Nevertheless, I decided to test the mixing process itself on swamplizard.io
So here are my observations

The calculator is missing, I would like to know exactly how much Bitcoin I will get back before going to the mix process. I assume that it is difficult to set up a precise calculator due to the random determination of the service fee.

The whole process is quite clear and simple, I would say that it is difficult to make a mistake, which is desirable for a service of this type.
Download the Letter of guarantee is clearly visible, plus it is printed in mix order, so the inspection is reduced to a minimum.
- I would add some suggestions here as well. For example, the "paste" button in the address field. It makes things easier and also reduces the possibility of mistakes. The same thing is with the deposit address, I would add a "copy" button here for the same reasons.



- It would be desirable to have a PGP fingerprint on the order page. I checked the validity of the letter of guarantee, it would simplify if I didn't have to open a new tab because PGP is only on the home page. Especially because when I close the order page, I can't go back to the same one

The letter of guarantee is verified and contains the necessary information.

I sent 0.005 BTC to the deposit address. Exactly one hour later I received the first batch of 0.0026 BTC and 17 minutes later second transaction of 0.001415 BTC. So, for my 0.005 I received a total of two transactions of 0.004015 BTC.
The charged fee is (0.005 - 0.004015) 0.000985.

As for the basic functionality of a mixer, I checked the AML score and the result is more than satisfactory. By tracking the transaction, I was not able to find any connection with my initial coins
AMLbot found a 10% risk score, Which makes this mixer more than satisfactory


I looked for another confirmation about the source of funds, the address from which I received the Bitcoin. It looks quite reliable, most of the coins came from miners, and we will agree that there are no coins more clean than them.


In conclusion, I mentioned some details that might be worth considering and correcting, in my opinion, it would improve the user experience when using the mixer.
Certainly, the most important part, which is the anonymity and privacy that this mixer offers, is at a fairly high level.

[icopress]

As for the basic functionality of a mixer, I checked the AML score and the result is more than satisfactory. By tracking the transaction, I was not able to find any connection with my initial coins / AMLbot found a 10% risk score, Which makes this mixer more than satisfactory [...]

I confirm. I also made an independent check.



Unfortunately, I had to check the letter of guarantee manually since SwampLizard had not yet been added to BitMixList (I'm just talking about checking letters of guarantee). I already said this in the NotATether thread, but I'll say it again.. that BitList will also soon implement a function to verify letters of guarantee. The idea is very cool and I could not pass by.

I also did some AML checking using Bestchange (which uses WhiteBit's checker) and AMLbot. By the way, I feel as though AMLbot's pricing is a ripoff - literally one check for $3 compared to $0.20 for Bestchange's service.

In the future, feel free to contact me, I have activated the subscription in the AML bot, and I have 30-40 more checks available.

 I will be glad to help. 

[examplens]

I also did some AML checking using Bestchange (which uses WhiteBit's checker) and AMLbot. By the way, I feel as though AMLbot's pricing is a ripoff - literally one check for $3 compared to $0.20 for Bestchange's service.

In the future, feel free to contact me, I have activated the subscription in the AML bot, and I have 30-40 more checks available.

 I will be glad to help. 

Checking through Bestchange can be useful because a large number of their affiliate partners may rely on the same check method. The case presented by eXch shows that it may present a problem in working with a large number of their partners.

[Swamplizard]

Hello, thanks a lot for using swamplizard and for your feedback.

@NotATether

@NotATether: I had the opportunity to try SwampLizard with two addresses yesterday (simple mode), and I've got to say, it was pretty good, but there can be improvements.

Hi @NotATether, Thanks a lot for testing the swamplizard.io mixing process.

@NotATether: *Actually, the two transactions were just two blocks apart. Which is very strange since I was thinking for privacy purposes it would be better to send the second transaction after a few dozen more blocks had been mined. 

It seems to be different for every transaction. In your case it was fast, but sometimes the second transaction is sent after more blocks had been mined. Sometimes hours.


@examplens

@examplens: Nevertheless, I decided to test the mixing process itself on swamplizard.io
So here are my observations

Hi @exanplens, Thank you for using the mixer!

@examplens: The calculator is missing, I would like to know exactly how much Bitcoin I will get back before going to the mix process. I assume that it is difficult to set up a precise calculator due to the random determination of the service fee.

I tried it but I didn't like the result, it needs JS.

@examplens: I would add some suggestions here as well. For example, the "paste" button in the address field. It makes things easier and also reduces the possibility of mistakes. The same thing is with the deposit address, I would add a "copy" button here for the same reasons.

This is something I would like to implement but it is not available if you disable JS. Copy text to clipboard on click needs JS.


@icopress

  @icopress: I confirm. I also made an independent check.

Respuesta: Hi @icopress Thank you for testing Swamplizard and analyzing it with AMLBot. Good score: Low Risk 10% and Blacklist Free

[Husires]

In conclusion, I mentioned some details that might be worth considering and correcting, in my opinion, it would improve the user experience when using the mixer.
Certainly, the most important part, which is the anonymity and privacy that this mixer offers, is at a fairly high level.

Does this mean that the mixer runs a mining pool or how is the source of the coins determined?
I thought that after mixing, they are sent mixed coin to exchanges and then withdrawn to your address, but if the coins come directly from miners, the mixing quality will be higher.

[SamReomo]

Name is less important if you take your business seriously and if you provide a good service.
I would probably choose something different, but it is easier to remember SwampLizard between all other mixing services

I think it wasn't a bad choice by choosing SwampLizard as the name of the mixer. If I'm not wrong then only it's the mixer that doesn't contain word mixer in its domain name. I hope this name may work well for them and I agree that it's much easier to remember that name.

[NotATether]

I confirm. I also made an independent check.

Is that the AMLbot report? I can't recognize it from the screenshot, because I've only looked at its results through the Telegram bot's chats.

Unfortunately, I had to check the letter of guarantee manually since SwampLizard had not yet been added to BitMixList (I'm just talking about checking letters of guarantee). I already said this in the NotATether thread, but I'll say it again.. that BitList will also soon implement a function to verify letters of guarantee. The idea is very cool and I could not pass by.

As a temporary workaround, since it's just a Jambler frontend, you can actually select any Jambler affiliate like Mixtum, Thormixer, etc, and it should display that the letter is genuine. The same PGP key is used for all of those mixers.

[examplens]

Is that the AMLbot report? I can't recognize it from the screenshot, because I've only looked at its results through the Telegram bot's chats.

Yes, this screenshot is from AMLbot.

[dkbit98]

Yes, this screenshot is from AMLbot.

Are you paying something for this AMLbot or you are using it for free?
I am very suspicious with all this AML bot checkers, especially after recent issue that of them created with eXch exchange addresses, and I think it was connected with bestchange.
If Chainalysis is operated by three letter government agency, than I have the reason to suspect on this risk checkers.

[examplens]

Are you paying something for this AMLbot or you are using it for free?
I am very suspicious with all this AML bot checkers, especially after recent issue that of them created with eXch exchange addresses, and I think it was connected with bestchange.
If Chainalysis is operated by three letter government agency, than I have the reason to suspect on this risk checkers.

Yes, paid AMLbot.
The thing that exch mentioned is because of Whitebit's AML checker, which is implemented (or at least partially) by Bestchange. A large number of BC partners also use the same ^Whitebit method.

If an AML check is a necessary evil that we obviously have to have, then it should definitely come from an independent party, and never from someone against whom there are numerous scam accusations.

btw, That's why I didn't limit myself to AMLbot, I also checked the transaction with crystalintelligence (second screenshot), which showed an even better AML score.

[dkbit98]

btw, That's why I didn't limit myself to AMLbot, I also checked the transaction with crystalintelligence (second screenshot), which showed an even better AML score.

How much are you paying to use amlbot ands crystalintelligence?
I am strongly against using any of this risk checking tools, I think they are hurting everyone in multiple ways, with privacy, tracking, fake scores, etc.
Anyone can do whatever they want, but I don't want to support something I am against and pay for this.

[NotATether]

Anyone can do whatever they want, but I don't want to support something I am against and pay for this.

They also only take USDT (TRC-20) and card payments to do the checks, like it's so pathetic. I ended up paying with a card but when doing this you'd not only have to exchange your coins for USDT-TRC20, but you'd also have to make sure you have some TRON on the address so that you can send the USDT out to AMLbot.

[dkbit98]

They also only take USDT (TRC-20) and card payments to do the checks, like it's so pathetic. I ended up paying with a card but when doing this you'd not only have to exchange your coins for USDT-TRC20, but you'd also have to make sure you have some TRON on the address so that you can send the USDT out to AMLbot.

Yes I sadly know all about that tron crap and usdt on that chain
One solution is using Aqua wallet and sending L-USDT from Liquid Network to Tron address, it is doing automatic conversion, and than you don't need to have a single tron crap anywhere.