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Currently, besides BTC Spot ETF providers, Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy is also famous as a unit that is actively collecting BTC from the market. MicroStrategy purchased an additional 850 BTC in January 2024 to demonstrate that BTC is still in a very good price range for accumulation[1]. Currently, when the investment in BTC has helped MicroStrategy profit about 4B USD[2], we no longer hear sarcasm about their BTC tactics like in mid-2022, when MicroStrategy suffered losses of up to 1B USD[3]. Everyone is hailing Saylor as the brother who led the crypto market through the winter, many people expect that MicroStrategy will buy more BTC, but I am thinking about another problem: when will MicroStrategy sell BTC?
Although Michel Saylor once said that MicroStrategy will never sell BTC, meaning that MicroStrategy will be a permanent BTC holder[4], I think things are not that simple.
MicroStrategy is a publicly traded company, it has shareholders, and it operates to make a profit. MicroStrategy started BTC strategy to profit from BTC, not to hold and show diamond hands. Investors in MicroStrategy are Capital International Investors, Vanguard, Blackrock, Morgan Stanley[5], they all want to profit from the price increase of MSTR and dividends from MicroStrategy. Since the start of the BTC strategy in July 2020[6], the MSTR price has increased by nearly 500% and brought great profits to investors, however, missing out on the opportunity to take BTC profits in 2021 is not the best investment decision.
(https://www.tradingview.com/x/KSn9UnTS/)
I think it's possible that Saylor truly believes in the future of BTC and MicroStrategy has no plans to sell BTC in the future, but investors could put pressure on them if BTC hits $160K USD in 2025 and there are signs of a reversal from increase to decrease. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if MicroStrategy would sell BTC in 2025, which is expected to be the next peak of a 4-year cycle.
(https://www.tradingview.com/x/axmjN5qO/)
If MicroStrategy will sell BTC in 2025, I think the crypto market will have a lot of interesting fluctuations.
- Positive impact: MicroStrategy needs to announce the amount of BTC it buys or sells each month. Thanks to that, we can know MicroStrategy's perspective on BTC and the crypto market. When MicroStrategy will sell BTC, I will also sell my BTC.
- Negative impact: the event of MicroStrategy selling BTC could create extreme fear in the market and trigger an extremely sharp decline on the BTC price chart. Investors will have no reason to continue holding BTC if diamond hands MicroStrategy has also let go of BTC. BTC price will likely fall below 60K USD by 2026.
The cyclical nature of BTC price fluctuations existed before MicroStrategy entered this market, Saylor and MicroStrategy are smart enough to recognize that. If in this cycle they continue to hold BTC through the crypto winter 2026-2027, I will be very surprised!
I would like to know your opinion on this issue:
- What are your thoughts on the possibility of Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy selling Bitcoin during the current bull cycle's distribution phase?
- If such a sale were to occur, how do you anticipate it affecting the price of Bitcoin and the broader cryptocurrency market?
- Do you consider the actions of individual entities, such as MicroStrategy, when making investment decisions?
References:
[1] MicroStrategy acquired 850 bitcoin for $37.2 million in January (https://www.theblock.co/post/276343/microstrategy-acquired-850-bitcoin-for-37-2-million-in-january)
[2] Michael Saylor’s MicroStrategy Bitcoin Bet Tops $4B in Profit (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/02/15/michael-saylors-microstrategy-bitcoin-bet-tops-4b-in-profit/)
[3] MicroStrategy’s Losses on Its Bitcoin Bet Near $1 Billion (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-13/microstrategy-s-bitcoin-bet-backfires-as-losses-near-1-billion)
[4] Michael Saylor Suggests MicroStrategy Will Never Sell Its Bitcoin (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/05/10/michael-saylor-suggests-microstrategy-will-never-sell-its-bitcoin/)
[5] MicroStrategy Incorporated (MSTR): Holders (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSTR/holders/)
[6] MicroStrategy becomes first listed company to buy bitcoin as part of its capital allocation strategy (https://www.theblock.co/linked/74534/microstrategy-becomes-first-listed-company-to-buy-bitcoin)
Note:
- My opinion was posted first in that topic, on Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5485752)
- I leave the source link to avoid plagiarism accusation.
- I excluded/ included minor things from an original thread if necessary.
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Holding forever? That's complete joke. These are people we don't even know, so we can't assume they have clear intentions for Bitcoin. You mentioned some of Microstrategy's investors, and we know what they represent in our community. What makes us think Saylor won't one day sell those Bitcoins? Are they meant to be held forever? We can't trust those who hold a large portion of this coin, so it's best to take precautions and stay as up-to-date as possible.
We've seen how prices drop when there's news. It's often the work of Bitcoin whales. They're always on 24-hour standby to sell at any time, so as not to incur losses.
I would like to know your opinion on this issue:
- What are your thoughts on the possibility of Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy selling Bitcoin during the current bull cycle's distribution phase?
- If such a sale were to occur, how do you anticipate it affecting the price of Bitcoin and the broader cryptocurrency market?
- Do you consider the actions of individual entities, such as MicroStrategy, when making investment decisions?
Answer 1: Not sure if MicroStrategy will be having any sales soon, but we still need to stay at alert because we can't read their minds.
Answer 2: Truth be told, it's going to be very ugly. The reason is that other whales, who hold a significant amount, would not want to incur losses. This could lead to many people selling and later buying at a lower rate.
Answer 3: Of course, since every news from their direction might have positive or negative impact.
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The emergence of the BTC Spot ETF does not mean that companies like MicroStrategy will be forced to sell, but that they will lose their status as a bitcoin proxy, as there will be different and cheaper ways to invest in bitcoin.
we no longer hear sarcasm about their BTC tactics like in mid-2022, when MicroStrategy suffered losses of up to 1B USD[3].
If we remove Bitcoin, MicroStrategy MSTR is a worthless company or in fact they have no investment other than Bitcoin.
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What are your thoughts on the possibility of Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy selling Bitcoin during the current bull cycle's distribution phase?
That would be fun to be honest as we all know that they have huge amount of Bitcoin on their hands enough to manipulate the market so this should be an eye opener for those who has plans to trade.
If such a sale were to occur, how do you anticipate it affecting the price of Bitcoin and the broader cryptocurrency market?
We cannot really predict but by observing the flow in the market I think we can find a clue if something has to happen and we should be watchful and find the best timing to jump-in or exit when they are dumping their BTC's.
Do you consider the actions of individual entities, such as MicroStrategy, when making investment decisions?
Yes, as we all know they possess tremendous amount of Bitcoins so they can control/manipulate the market and that is where our trades will be filled depending on what they are doing either dumping or accumulating. If they wanted to play the market I think we should learn to go with the flow so we don't end up missing opportunities it might bring.
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The emergence of the BTC Spot ETF does not mean that companies like MicroStrategy will be forced to sell, but that they will lose their status as a bitcoin proxy, as there will be different and cheaper ways to invest in bitcoin.
They will sell but because they invest with solid plan, they will probably exit with solid plan too. They will not sell their bitcoins because of Bitcoin Spot ETFs but they will sell their coins when they need money or need to rebalance their capital after a while.
When they sell their coins, they will not mind whether Bitcoin Spot ETFs will be buyers or retail investors.
If we remove Bitcoin, MicroStrategy MSTR is a worthless company or in fact they have no investment other than Bitcoin.
I don't think so. They have their successful company with products and income, profit. They became more famous with their investment in Bitcoin since 2020 and their stock got benefit too. However I really disagree to say they will become a worthless company if they stop investing in Bitcoin.
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I would like to know your opinion on this issue:
- What are your thoughts on the possibility of Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy selling Bitcoin during the current bull cycle's distribution phase?
- If such a sale were to occur, how do you anticipate it affecting the price of Bitcoin and the broader cryptocurrency market?
- Do you consider the actions of individual entities, such as MicroStrategy, when making investment decisions?
1 - Who knows, that could happen, or maybe they're still holding because it's their only investment. But we all understand that MS still needs money, so there might come a time when they sell at an unpredictable moment.
2 - Hopefully, I'll get that news first so I can sell at a better price. Even though it's tough, maybe the only way is to DCA again by buying gradually at lower prices.
3 - Nope. Right now, I'm using the DCA method, where my buying price will average out better. Even if MS makes a big purchase, I'm still sticking to accumulating it according to schedule.
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It's seems I saw that news just now that , A reporter asks Michael Saylor when he plans to sell Bitcoin.
Michael Saylor: I'll be buying forever.
Although I do not fully believe in the words of these big whales, I do not see anything impossible here because Bitcoin is digital gold, and whoever has more of this digital gold will be stronger. As currently we can see that the more gold the country or the person has, the stronger it is economically. Not only are they economically strong, they are also militarily strong, as currently the top gold reserve holder is the United States of America. So maybe these big whales have not understood the meaning of Bitcoin, so they want to keep Bitcoin in their reserve.
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MicroStrategy is a publicly traded company, it has shareholders, and it operates to make a profit. MicroStrategy started BTC strategy to profit from BTC, not to hold and show diamond hands. Investors in MicroStrategy are Capital International Investors, Vanguard, Blackrock, Morgan Stanley[5], they all want to profit from the price increase of MSTR and dividends from MicroStrategy. Since the start of the BTC strategy in July 2020[6], the MSTR price has increased by nearly 500% and brought great profits to investors, however, missing out on the opportunity to take BTC profits in 2021 is not the best investment decision.
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- What are your thoughts on the possibility of Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy selling Bitcoin during the current bull cycle's distribution phase?
- If such a sale were to occur, how do you anticipate it affecting the price of Bitcoin and the broader cryptocurrency market?
- Do you consider the actions of individual entities, such as MicroStrategy, when making investment decisions?
I believe that missing the opportunity to take profits in 2021, the losses and pressures in 2022 have become valuable lessons for Saylor and MicroStrategy to do better in this cycle: that is, sell at the peak and buy back more BTC at the bottom. Only the right decisions will help the company strengthen investors' confidence, not recklessly collecting and holding as they did.
1. I believe Saylor and MicroStrategy will sell their BTC in 2025.
2. If this happens, we will see a repeat of the cyclicality in the market: meaning nothing too different from the past.
3. It would be better if I could sell before there is an official announcement from MicroStrategy. In the opposite case, I will also sell according to Saylor!
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I believe that missing the opportunity to take profits in 2021, the losses and pressures in 2022 have become valuable lessons for Saylor and MicroStrategy to do better in this cycle: that is, sell at the peak and buy back more BTC at the bottom. Only the right decisions will help the company strengthen investors' confidence, not recklessly collecting and holding as they did.
They will have to take profit because profit is actual profit after they take it, cash it out. Profit is only an estimated number and is not real if they don't take profit.
1. I believe Saylor and MicroStrategy will sell their BTC in 2025.
2. If this happens, we will see a repeat of the cyclicality in the market: meaning nothing too different from the past.
3. It would be better if I could sell before there is an official announcement from MicroStrategy. In the opposite case, I will also sell according to Saylor!
They might take profit but possibly won't sell all bitcoins they have and wait for chances to enter again in a next bear market. If they 100% exit the market, it will cause big market shock and even MicroStrategy plan to come back, they will not use this exit style that is not favorite by institutional investors.
I also very agree with you that even Bitcoin market now have MicroStrategy, Bitcoin Spot ETFs, its cycle will be repeated and not too different than past cycles. An older traditional assets like Gold has its cycle too and Bitcoin will not be an exception.
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I would like to know your opinion on this issue:
- What are your thoughts on the possibility of Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy selling Bitcoin during the current bull cycle's distribution phase?
- If such a sale were to occur, how do you anticipate it affecting the price of Bitcoin and the broader cryptocurrency market?
- Do you consider the actions of individual entities, such as MicroStrategy, when making investment decisions?
1. There is always an open ground for Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy to sell their bitcoin at any given time, and we don't know when will that time be "coming bull run or before 10 years''. One certain thing is that they will sell it someday. Maybe little by little as the year goes by.
2. it will have a big negative impact on the price of bitcoin, many investors lose out on their investment in a twinkle of an eye, as they would prefer to sell their bitcoin than hodling it for when the market bounces back.
3. Not at all. Because everyone is mindful of the amount they invest and what they will make in the future. No one is looking at what others have invested already because the crypto market is open to everyone and it is not a competitive market of who invested more than others.
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I believe that missing the opportunity to take profits in 2021, the losses and pressures in 2022 have become valuable lessons for Saylor and MicroStrategy to do better in this cycle: that is, sell at the peak and buy back more BTC at the bottom. Only the right decisions will help the company strengthen investors' confidence, not recklessly collecting and holding as they did.
Is there any verifiable data for this, or are you basing your judgment on their public statement? I find it hard to believe that they never sold anything or took profits in one way or the other back when the bull run happened. Even if that is true, it is hard to verify if they really regret it or if that is profitable for them since they can just buy cheaper. As pro-Bitcoin as they are, it is hard to believe they don't make any sustainable profit to keep them running and keep buying BTC every month or so. I don't trust their public statement either, if they truly do have investors they probably told them other data to keep their trust intact so they can keep buying BTC as usual.
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Is there any verifiable data for this, or are you basing your judgment on their public statement? I find it hard to believe that they never sold anything or took profits in one way or the other back when the bull run happened.
Only if they hide something, we all don't know but with what we know, they only purchased Bitcoin so far and did not make any sale.
Some trackers on MicroStrategy investment in Bitcoin. Temporarily they have $3.78B in estimated profit and ROI is about 60%. [1]
- Saylor Portfolio Tracker (https://saylortracker.com/)
- https://bitcointreasuries.net/entities/1
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- What are your thoughts on the possibility of Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy selling Bitcoin during the current bull cycle's distribution phase?
Well, never say never ever but I think the probability of him selling bitcoin precisely during the bull run is close to zero, other than a small amount for tax purposes as he did once before.
- If such a sale were to occur, how do you anticipate it affecting the price of Bitcoin and the broader cryptocurrency market?
If we are talking about selling a large amount, which is extremely unlikely, I believe that FUD would occur and would at least temporarily and in the short term affect the market downwards.
- Do you consider the actions of individual entities, such as MicroStrategy, when making investment decisions?
Not at all.
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Those are some quite strong wealth people and company, so its not going to be that easy for them to sell. When you are "that" rich, do you even need to sell? You could just ride or die type of thing with it and not sell it ever. The more money they make, the more they could put it into bitcoin. They are not an ETF really, they just invest into bitcoin as a software company and that's quite good, it is really a benefit for them because when the price of bitcoin goes up, their cash liquid value increases as well. This could either be used to grow as a company later on, or just keep it as it is and be rich forever.
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Is there any verifiable data for this, or are you basing your judgment on their public statement? I find it hard to believe that they never sold anything or took profits in one way or the other back when the bull run happened. Even if that is true, it is hard to verify if they really regret it or if that is profitable for them since they can just buy cheaper. As pro-Bitcoin as they are, it is hard to believe they don't make any sustainable profit to keep them running and keep buying BTC every month or so. I don't trust their public statement either, if they truly do have investors they probably told them other data to keep their trust intact so they can keep buying BTC as usual.
Maybe they give statements like that to maintain the issue, remain humble, and hope that investors will come in and provide support for them, because, as you said, they still have several strong people, but they don't want to make this known to the public.
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MicroStrategy did not sell their Bitcoin during the last bull run. This makes many investors wonder whether it was a strategy or a wrong decision. But I personally think since they have a big investment they are definitely working to make profit they may definitely try to sell their bitcoins in the upcoming Bull run. But if MicroStrategy were to hold Bitcoin, that wouldn't be a bad decision either. Because in the long run they will be more profitable than their investment. From 2021 they are only collecting bitcoins. I think they have no loss by holding bitcoins rather they will be profitable investing in bitcoins in terms of other investments. If Saylor sells bitcoins, the amount may be small. Moreover, no one knows what strategy they will adopt. Of course they care about their profits.
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Those are some quite strong wealth people and company, so its not going to be that easy for them to sell. When you are "that" rich, do you even need to sell? You could just ride or die type of thing with it and not sell it ever. The more money they make, the more they could put it into bitcoin. They are not an ETF really, they just invest into bitcoin as a software company and that's quite good, it is really a benefit for them because when the price of bitcoin goes up, their cash liquid value increases as well. This could either be used to grow as a company later on, or just keep it as it is and be rich forever.
Selling Bitcoin at this expensive price is indeed a very high temptation because you will definitely get a lot of profit, but unfortunately the halving is still in the next few days, so I feel there is still a chance for it to become even more expensive, so maybe everyone has their own needs for money. differently, I might sell some Bitcoin when I make a profit and wait until the price collapses again to buy again.
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Holding forever? That's complete joke. These are people we don't even know, so we can't assume they have clear intentions for Bitcoin. You mentioned some of Microstrategy's investors, and we know what they represent in our community. What makes us think Saylor won't one day sell those Bitcoins? Are they meant to be held forever? We can't trust those who hold a large portion of this coin, so it's best to take precautions and stay as up-to-date as possible.
We've seen how prices drop when there's news. It's often the work of Bitcoin whales. They're always on 24-hour standby to sell at any time, so as not to incur losses.
Answer 1: Not sure if MicroStrategy will be having any sales soon, but we still need to stay at alert because we can't read their minds.
Answer 2: Truth be told, it's going to be very ugly. The reason is that other whales, who hold a significant amount, would not want to incur losses. This could lead to many people selling and later buying at a lower rate.
Answer 3: Of course, since every news from their direction might have positive or negative impact.
It is true that we cannot predict the plans and actions of Saylor and MS, at least we do not believe that they will hold BTC until the end of the world. Anything is possible because if possible everyone wants to maximize profits in this market by buying low and selling high. MS is just a company in the economy, it does not exist just to hold BTC.
The emergence of the BTC Spot ETF does not mean that companies like MicroStrategy will be forced to sell, but that they will lose their status as a bitcoin proxy, as there will be different and cheaper ways to invest in bitcoin.
If we remove Bitcoin, MicroStrategy MSTR is a worthless company or in fact they have no investment other than Bitcoin.
Saylor once explained that investing in MSTR is more efficient than the BTC Spot ETF, and I think this makes sense as MS has a software business and can make a profit and continue to buy BTC. BTC Spot ETF is not a reason for MS to sell BTC.
I want to talk about the cycle itself and the existence of the crypto winter in 2026-2027, every investor has the opportunity sell at the peak to buy back a lot of BTC at a cheaper price. I personally don't think that even knowing about it, MS still wants to hold BTC forever.
It's seems I saw that news just now that , A reporter asks Michael Saylor when he plans to sell Bitcoin.
Michael Saylor: I'll be buying forever.
Although I do not fully believe in the words of these big whales, I do not see anything impossible here because Bitcoin is digital gold, and whoever has more of this digital gold will be stronger. As currently we can see that the more gold the country or the person has, the stronger it is economically. Not only are they economically strong, they are also militarily strong, as currently the top gold reserve holder is the United States of America. So maybe these big whales have not understood the meaning of Bitcoin, so they want to keep Bitcoin in their reserve.
I also hope that Salor and MS will keep their word and not sell any BTC from their reserves during this uptrend. We will soon have the answer in 2026 or 2027. If MS continues to hold BTC, even continuously buy more BTC, Saylor will have high respect from me because his faith in BTC is extremely big.
I believe that missing the opportunity to take profits in 2021, the losses and pressures in 2022 have become valuable lessons for Saylor and MicroStrategy to do better in this cycle: that is, sell at the peak and buy back more BTC at the bottom. Only the right decisions will help the company strengthen investors' confidence, not recklessly collecting and holding as they did.
1. I believe Saylor and MicroStrategy will sell their BTC in 2025.
2. If this happens, we will see a repeat of the cyclicality in the market: meaning nothing too different from the past.
3. It would be better if I could sell before there is an official announcement from MicroStrategy. In the opposite case, I will also sell according to Saylor!
I also believe that after gaining experience from the crypto winter that lasted throughout 2022, Saylor was able to create the most suitable strategy for MS's BTC investment. Currently we are in an uptrend, MS is continuously buying more BTC like whales in the market. Downtrend will be the time for us to test Saylor's diamond hands.
Whether selling or buying BTC, MS is still just a part of the crypto market. If flexible enough, I believe MS will be able to accumulate more BTC next season. If they insist on holding BTC forever, I will wait for the expiration date of that perpetuity.
3. Not at all. Because everyone is mindful of the amount they invest and what they will make in the future. No one is looking at what others have invested already because the crypto market is open to everyone and it is not a competitive market of who invested more than others.
I like your point of view, although the more information we have, the easier it is to judge the state of the market, we still have to master our own investment strategies. MS is also just a famous big whale in the extremely large BTC market!
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MicroStrategy did not sell their Bitcoin during the last bull run. This makes many investors wonder whether it was a strategy or a wrong decision. But I personally think since they have a big investment they are definitely working to make profit they may definitely try to sell their bitcoins in the upcoming Bull run. But if MicroStrategy were to hold Bitcoin, that wouldn't be a bad decision either. Because in the long run they will be more profitable than their investment. From 2021 they are only collecting bitcoins. I think they have no loss by holding bitcoins rather they will be profitable investing in bitcoins in terms of other investments. If Saylor sells bitcoins, the amount may be small. Moreover, no one knows what strategy they will adopt. Of course they care about their profits.
If Micro has to sell nearly tens of billions of dollars worth of BTC next season right at the peak, the BTC price will fall to the depths similar to the case of Terra selling BTC to subsidize Ust in 2022. I think this is not the case. Strangely, large investors will put pressure on Micro to sell BTC to take profits and pay dividends, or simply need to sell to optimize and buy more BTC in the next bottom zone instead of continuously holding it and suffer losses like in 2022.
If I have BTC in 2025 and know that Micro sold BTC last month, I will no longer hesitate and will immediately sell BTC at any price. We sshould swim with the whales, not resist the inevitable trend of this market.
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If Micro has to sell nearly tens of billions of dollars worth of BTC next season right at the peak, the BTC price will fall to the depths similar to the case of Terra selling BTC to subsidize Ust in 2022. I think this is not the case. Strangely, large investors will put pressure on Micro to sell BTC to take profits and pay dividends, or simply need to sell to optimize and buy more BTC in the next bottom zone instead of continuously holding it and suffer losses like in 2022.
If I have BTC in 2025 and know that Micro sold BTC last month, I will no longer hesitate and will immediately sell BTC at any price. We sshould swim with the whales, not resist the inevitable trend of this market.
Maybe things will be just as tense as in 2022, because the trading volume is larger, more companies are investing, and each sell order will cost tens of billions of dollars, not the actions of retail investors. Normally things will happen slowly at the peak, when whales take profits and distribute, and then there will be periods of sell-off by retail investors, but in 2025 there will likely be negative and positive events continuously following each other because a fund sells and the other buys, similar to the current selling and buying of BTC Spot ETF.
When Saylor will announce that he was selling BTC, I think most investors will do the same as you. If it was just a fun trick because Saylor sold a small portion of BTC to test liquidity like Tesla and then bought back more BTC at a cheaper price, the market would be very chaotic!
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When Saylor will announce that he was selling BTC, I think most investors will do the same as you. If it was just a fun trick because Saylor sold a small portion of BTC to test liquidity like Tesla and then bought back more BTC at a cheaper price, the market would be very chaotic!
He just wants to raise $600M to buy more Bitcoin for MicroStrategy.
I don't know when MicroStrategy will sell their bitcoins but with investment in Bitcoin, they get massive profit and also get double effects. Their stock gets good growth in price in stock market too.
See
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GH5sDxaaEAA-bfk?format=jpg&name=900x900) (https://twitter.com/ecoinometrics/status/1764967202565001448)
I don't think it is a coincidence of Bitcoin price growth and MSTR price growth. Their company get big profit from Bitcoin and it makes sense for their company stock to rise in price.
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I have this assurance with some of the bitcoin holders that they will not keep holding the coin for life, it will be released once it got to a certain point, especially when they have gotten to the stage of marking out their profits on investment, they cannot keep hodl but rather to sell, the same way those buying will also have to release anytime soon while the miners keep mining new coins and they are being released into circulation.
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Anybody who think that Michael Saylor is going to hold bitcoin forever does not understand the game of Bitcoin manipulation. I like how they have increased adoption of Bitcoin adoption but all companies that make investment into bitcoin all invested because of profit and he is going to sell when nobody expect nothing from them.
My advice is that if you have invested, you don't have to be wait to be told when to sell, no person will tell you when they want to sell and the same should be for any other person who have bitcoin and plan to sell some in the Bitcoin.
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Anybody who think that Michael Saylor is going to hold bitcoin forever does not understand the game of Bitcoin manipulation. I like how they have increased adoption of Bitcoin adoption but all companies that make investment into bitcoin all invested because of profit and he is going to sell when nobody expect nothing from them.
My advice is that if you have invested, you don't have to be wait to be told when to sell, no person will tell you when they want to sell and the same should be for any other person who have bitcoin and plan to sell some in the Bitcoin.
We are hearing quite an interesting story: MS will continuously buy and hold BTC to support the company's MSTR stock price in the long term, but I think this is impossible because MS's investors and shareholders also have their own profit-taking criteria. Similarly, many people believe that BTC will reach 1M USD in the future, but if they understand that the BTC cycle will still happen, they will not refuse the opportunity to sell BTC at a high price to buy back more BTC at a lower price. I wouldn't be surprised if MS will claim to have sold some or all of their BTC in distribution zone in 2025.
I also agree with you that every investor should have a way to monitor the market and make their own decisions. Waiting for announcements or signals from others can cause losses due to delays in a highly volatile and fast-paced market like crypto.
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I think need to know valid data about how much bitcoin having or investing by Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy so far before talking about their potential when sell bitcoin assets. For speculating to be long term or forever investor seems impossible and difficult to acceptable with investment decision to earn much profitable,
but need to know the valid data of their bitcoin investment and some investor not get panic when they releasing announcement for selling their bitcoin assets.
So far more valid data with bitcoin holder is United State government seized from criminal cases and later has El Savador government with their routine investing in bitcoin every day since bitcoin have legal adopted as payment transaction in their country.
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I think need to know valid data about how much bitcoin having or investing by Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy so far before talking about their potential when sell bitcoin assets. For speculating to be long term or forever investor seems impossible and difficult to acceptable with investment decision to earn much profitable,
but need to know the valid data of their bitcoin investment and some investor not get panic when they releasing announcement for selling their bitcoin assets.
So far more valid data with bitcoin holder is United State government seized from criminal cases and later has El Savador government with their routine investing in bitcoin every day since bitcoin have legal adopted as payment transaction in their country.
We can completely track MicroStrategy's crypto portfolio at many reputable sources.
- Arkham: MicroStrategy (https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com/explorer/entity/microstrategy)
- MICHAEL SAYLOR⚡️ (MICROSTRATEGY) PORTFOLIO TRACKER (https://saylortracker.com/)
- MicroStrategy Crypto Portfolio (https://dropstab.com/p/microstrategy-crypto-portfolio-4crikwkuk4)
In addition, MicroStrategy is also a public company, they are required to declare assets every month to provide shareholders with the latest information about their assets. I believe that when MicroStrategy moves BTC out of its account, those who follow will have a warning for the market to be prepared for any major fluctuations.
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We can completely track MicroStrategy's crypto portfolio at many reputable sources.
- Arkham: MicroStrategy (https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com/explorer/entity/microstrategy)
- MICHAEL SAYLOR⚡️ (MICROSTRATEGY) PORTFOLIO TRACKER (https://saylortracker.com/)
- MicroStrategy Crypto Portfolio (https://dropstab.com/p/microstrategy-crypto-portfolio-4crikwkuk4)
Yes, it is trusted source. It is true that they are holding 205,000 Bitcoin now.
The most interesting one is they bought again 12,000 Bitcoin when the price was around $68k. And they keep buying Bitcoin in the last few months. It means they really trust with the bullish of Bitcoin in 2024-2025. Not sure whether they will take profits or not in this bullish season.
In addition, MicroStrategy is also a public company, they are required to declare assets every month to provide shareholders with the latest information about their assets. I believe that when MicroStrategy moves BTC out of its account, those who follow will have a warning for the market to be prepared for any major fluctuations.
Yes. The will always announce their holding assets. We can see clearly about the total number of their Bitcoin.
If they will send their asset to exchanges, there should be a warning like we often saw when whales moved their assets.
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Yes, it is trusted source. It is true that they are holding 205,000 Bitcoin now.
The most interesting one is they bought again 12,000 Bitcoin when the price was around $68k. And they keep buying Bitcoin in the last few months. It means they really trust with the bullish of Bitcoin in 2024-2025. Not sure whether they will take profits or not in this bullish season.
Yes. The will always announce their holding assets. We can see clearly about the total number of their Bitcoin.
If they will send their asset to exchanges, there should be a warning like we often saw when whales moved their assets.
At this point, everything is just our speculation. We don't know what Saylor and MS want and will do when BTC reaches 200K USD or falls from 200K USD to 150K USD in 2025-2026. Therefore, I believe that we need to monitor MS's BTC buying/selling behavior throughout 2024 and 2025, and have our own plan to manage our crypto assets. What I fear most is that when MS announces that it has sold BTC, it will be too late: the market has entered a downtrend and we have missed the best opportunity to take profits.
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The simple answer from me is that when a lot of Bitcoin owners sell all their Bitcoin assets, it will definitely have an impact on the market and create a Bitcoin Dump.
Not to mention the panic from traders and retail investors who were crushed by the Bitcoin sales carried out by Michael Saylor and Microstrategy.
But before they sell Bitcoin there will definitely be something called drama, which allows the price of Bitcoin to rise and fall very quickly.
After that, there was an announcement from those who had sold all their Bitcoin assets and caused the market to panic and continue to dump so quickly.
The best advice if this incident really happens is that it might be better to Take Profit so you can get the maximum profit possible because fear comes faster than the power to buy Bitcoin.
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We can completely track MicroStrategy's crypto portfolio at many reputable sources.
- Arkham: MicroStrategy (https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com/explorer/entity/microstrategy)
- MICHAEL SAYLOR⚡️ (MICROSTRATEGY) PORTFOLIO TRACKER (https://saylortracker.com/)
- MicroStrategy Crypto Portfolio (https://dropstab.com/p/microstrategy-crypto-portfolio-4crikwkuk4)
Yes, it is trusted source. It is true that they are holding 205,000 Bitcoin now.
The most interesting one is they bought again 12,000 Bitcoin when the price was around $68k. And they keep buying Bitcoin in the last few months. It means they really trust with the bullish of Bitcoin in 2024-2025. Not sure whether they will take profits or not in this bullish season.
Most likely they will definitely take profits a few months after the halving or when the BTC price is estimated to have reached its highest point at the end of 2024 or in 2025.
Because they also definitely have predictions and targets to make a profit from Bitcoin, and they certainly wont just sell their entire portfolio without a very urgent reason.
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Most likely they will definitely take profits a few months after the halving or when the BTC price is estimated to have reached its highest point at the end of 2024 or in 2025.
Because they also definitely have predictions and targets to make a profit from Bitcoin, and they certainly wont just sell their entire portfolio without a very urgent reason.
They certainly realize that selling on a large scale will affect the market so that their profits will be slightly smaller compared to selling in stages.
The withdrawal strategy is quite popular at the moment https://bitcoindata.science/withdrawal-strategy , this is most likely the most appropriate way for MicroStrategy to take profit. And as for the timing, because the halving moment will come soon, it is a golden opportunity for MicroStrategy,
Agree with you, the biggest possibility is that they will sell it in Q3 or Q4 2024 to Q2 2025.
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Well, I am on the side of never as well, or at least hopefully never. We can't really be certain about when this will happen, but we can at least know that its not going to be anytime soon. When they are making this much profit, it doesn't feel like it would make sense for them to sell it. I get that it may not be great for the time being, but it can at least look like a decent size chunk. This should be important to notice that you are going to see a lot of rich people just keep doing what made them rich, and MicroStrategy grew a ton with this, so they probably do not really consider stop making that profit.
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The simple answer from me is that when a lot of Bitcoin owners sell all their Bitcoin assets, it will definitely have an impact on the market and create a Bitcoin Dump.
Not to mention the panic from traders and retail investors who were crushed by the Bitcoin sales carried out by Michael Saylor and Microstrategy.
But before they sell Bitcoin there will definitely be something called drama, which allows the price of Bitcoin to rise and fall very quickly.
After that, there was an announcement from those who had sold all their Bitcoin assets and caused the market to panic and continue to dump so quickly.
The best advice if this incident really happens is that it might be better to Take Profit so you can get the maximum profit possible because fear comes faster than the power to buy Bitcoin.
You mean we need to take charge of our own investment plans instead of waiting for or depending on the buying and selling behavior of Saylor and MS? OK, I think this is really necessary because we need to make our own investment decisions for our own crypto assets. We do not have the financial position like Saylor or MS, we are just small investors and we cannot raise hundreds of millions of USD to buy BTC continuously like MS.
The difficulty I see is that the majority of investors in the market are not competent enough to make the right decisions, and we always see more people losing money than people making profits, even though stories of becoming millionaires from crypto are widely spread on the internet... I'm also not sure if MS will sell BTC in 2025, but if MS does sell, we will be able to see more clearly the madness of this market!
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Meanwhile, for now, there is chaos and panic in the market. The big players clearly know something. While some are selling the last of it, others are hoarding it. 8)
"MicroStrategy purchased another 9,245 BTC between March 11 and March 18. The company's cumulative balance is 214,246 BTC, with 7.5$ billion spent."
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"MicroStrategy purchased another 9,245 BTC between March 11 and March 18. The company's cumulative balance is 214,246 BTC, with 7.5$ billion spent."
Strong hands are bullish at this moment, and they keep accumulating BTC. But we are not whales; we must wait for the right time to buy. I am lucky that I bought a good portion of BTC at 27K range and it gave me 2x already. I am very happy with the output so far and expect another long run after the halving event.
As for Microstrategy, they are a company, and they have to show an asset value anyhow. BTC is a good asset which can increase multiple times in a couple of years. So, it's a good choice for them. I do not see any reason why they would sell BTC anytime soon.
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- You know the difference between Michael Saylor and other institutional investors is that he only buys the value of bitcoin without a definite time frame for when or how long he will hold it. While the other investors seem to have a target plan for when they will sell it, which is the price of bitcoin,.
So, that means Saylor has something that other institutional investors don't see. This is the only thing that has been seen that can be done by Saylor compared to other investors.
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Strong hands are bullish at this moment, and they keep accumulating BTC. But we are not whales; we must wait for the right time to buy. I am lucky that I bought a good portion of BTC at 27K range and it gave me 2x already. I am very happy with the output so far and expect another long run after the halving event.
As for Microstrategy, they are a company, and they have to show an asset value anyhow. BTC is a good asset which can increase multiple times in a couple of years. So, it's a good choice for them. I do not see any reason why they would sell BTC anytime soon.
Everything is stable (as always) Weak hands sell the last, strong hands buy with hope for the future. It has been and will always be like that.
Big campaigns rule not only the market, but the world as a whole. So it's a normal story. And what will happen in 10 years with the crypto market = maximally difficult to predict. If there is no need, on the contrary, you should accumulate BTC as much as possible. But do not forget about risk management, it is an important component of every investor for the long term. ???
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Big campaigns rule not only the market, but the world as a whole. So it's a normal story. And what will happen in 10 years with the crypto market = maximally difficult to predict. If there is no need, on the contrary, you should accumulate BTC as much as possible. But do not forget about risk management, it is an important component of every investor for the long term. ???
All my investments were in crypto, but very recently, I had to start a business in real life. I had to take a loan because I did not want to sell my holdings. BTC was around 45K then, so look where we are now. It was a nice decision for me not to sell my Bitcoin and other crypto holdings. It's almost 1.8x at this moment.
I consider myself as weak hands because I do not have capability to make a movement on the market. But there are market makers who can change the market in a hour or so. For now, I am accumulating every single sats!
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I wouldn't believe that they will never sell. Most of them are needed to profit for their clients and that's the reason why I believe that they'll never sell. So, if you're thinking that they won't, it's also possible but that is just me thinking that they will sell but we don't know when.
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I wouldn't believe that they will never sell. Most of them are needed to profit for their clients and that's the reason why I believe that they'll never sell. So, if you're thinking that they won't, it's also possible but that is just me thinking that they will sell but we don't know when.
Agree with the statement that they will never sell it, so where will they get the money to provide payments to users, as you have said, it seems impossible if Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy, it is possible that they sell the assets they own without using the wallet that is used to hold everything user assets.
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Agree with the statement that they will never sell it, so where will they get the money to provide payments to users, as you have said, it seems impossible if Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy, it is possible that they sell the assets they own without using the wallet that is used to hold everything user assets.
The 214,246 BTC in MS's treasury belong to the company's budget. Although shareholders may own a part of the company, they are usually not interested in the fate of this BTC. Only the largest shareholders can make decisions about it by influencing Saylor. As far as I know, MS does not pay dividends to shareholders. All shareholders have is the right to vote and the opportunity to profit from the increase in the price of MSTR.
However, I also do not believe that MS will hold forever, because even MS cannot exist forever. They will have to sell BTC when they reach a certain goal or under pressure from large shareholders during the company's operation.
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Lol, but there was an image of Michael Saylor here,
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/04/VjmYw.png)
And they say that he sold his chair so that he can buy Bitcoin, ;D. I think though it's just sarcasm, but they have a lot of Bitcoin already, the company itself and maybe they will sell some of it when necessary and if the Board of Directors will approved it.
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I consider myself as weak hands because I do not have capability to make a movement on the market. But there are market makers who can change the market in a hour or so. For now, I am accumulating every single sats!
Indeed. Most of us here are not market makers, which means even when we decide to sell our holdings, it won't make any impact on the market, unlike MicroStrategy, which has a great say. Zero trust is basically a protocol that makes Bitcoin transactions unique, but this same zero trust is not applicable to those who have made massive investments in Bitcoin, as they can choose to sell their Bitcoin at any point in time without the awareness of the Bitcoin community. We would only feel the effect from how the market reacts in terms of price.
However, I also do not believe that MS will hold forever, because even MS cannot exist forever. They will have to sell BTC when they reach a certain goal or under pressure from large shareholders during the company's operation.
Of course, MicroStrategy would certainly sell their Bitcoin someday, but in a perfect time when the market conditions are very favorable and the price is very high. But I doubt if they would want to sell all at once. If Saylor were to sell all (which is slightly not possible), then the market would definitely experience a downtrend that might last for weeks.
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Indeed. Most of us here are not market makers, which means even when we decide to sell our holdings, it won't make any impact on the market, unlike MicroStrategy, which has a great say. Zero trust is basically a protocol that makes Bitcoin transactions unique, but this same zero trust is not applicable to those who have made massive investments in Bitcoin, as they can choose to sell their Bitcoin at any point in time without the awareness of the Bitcoin community. We would only feel the effect from how the market reacts in terms of price.
Exactly. +1 for that.
I agree with what you have said. This is another reason I am not very much happy with the companies holding billions of dollars in Bitcoin. We need more people and grow the community members and spread the BItcoin more. Even though companies are unlikely to sell their Bitcoin holdings anytime soon because they want to increase the assets of their company. Some others can decide the opposite.
We have seen how the market reacts when ETF companies sell their Bitcoins, and we have an overall outflow in a week. Bitcoin did not pump much once ETF approval was announced. That is because ETF companies immediately started dumping their holdings.
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Lol, but there was an image of Michael Saylor here,
And they say that he sold his chair so that he can buy Bitcoin, ;D. I think though it's just sarcasm, but they have a lot of Bitcoin already, the company itself and maybe they will sell some of it when necessary and if the Board of Directors will approved it.
LOL... a little funny, but this is really sarcastic. They are the whales of the cryptocurrency world, so it could be that this is just to lure all small investors not to panic if they want to buy Bitcoin, but in the end we don't know when they will start selling their Bitcoin, because actually even now if they want to take advantage , they've definitely got it. Maybe they are a little more greedy, because they still see Bitcoin's potential and also their fairly central position.
They are trying to lead opinions, but I think you all should also know that our position cannot be said to be safe from an unexpected dump because of MicroStrategy's actions.
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Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy are the whales of bitcoin and I don't sure they have ideas for selling their bitcoin assets, actually last several time both of them make purchasing or accumulate to buy back bitcoin.
They have good financial and hold bitcoin could be long term investment assets for the future and never won't to sell before bitcoin raise more higher price, difficult if some one with good financial condition will sell their bitcoin assets behind on other moment will buy back more bitcoin and hold it until several years later.
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Of course, MicroStrategy would certainly sell their Bitcoin someday, but in a perfect time when the market conditions are very favorable and the price is very high. But I doubt if they would want to sell all at once. If Saylor were to sell all (which is slightly not possible), then the market would definitely experience a downtrend that might last for weeks.
I also think that even if they sell BTC, Saylor is smart enough to sell a portion to take profits or sell it gradually through OTC over a month before officially announcing the decision. That way, MS can sell their BTC at the best possible price, maximizing profits.
In the case where they sell it poorly and the onchain data shows their BTC sell-off, I also think that the market will be negatively affected and will enter a crypto winter more quickly, similar to what happened with UST-LUNA in 2022.
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I have also asked myself the same thing, when will Microestrategy sell everything, they are institutions that have a lot of money, I imagine that they will not sell everything at the time that bitcoin rises a lot in price, in fact there are many people, institutions that have not sold at Although the price had a great new ATH, but I think that everyone will start selling at around $100k, I don't know, but I think that many investors will start to do the math and wait for the price to drop so much so that they can re-buy, although Institutions like these will always be on the lookout, since they have so much bitcoin they can wait for the right person to make their good moves, that's why I have also asked myself that, and who knows what the things they have planned will be like, and in particular they always I will say that it is best to hodl, because in the future my bitcoin will have a great value, above $800k.
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Before we begin to imagine if Microstrategy and Michael saylor will their bitcoin stash in this coming bull cycle, lets first find out how big this company is and whether they will be needing a huge amout of money for any reason in the near future, considering if this is a question, I would say "NO", Microstrategy is a pretty big company with lots of money at their disposal, I personally think that their investment in bitcoin is for now, considered as their foreign reserve, that is, their way of saving funds they don't intend using for any thing in the short or long term, so, for this reason, I do not think Microstrategy will sell their bitcoin in the coming bull cycle, but on the other hand, even if they decide to sell, it's their money and I believe that there will be more than enough liquidity in the market in this coming bull cycle to absorb such huge sell off without it significantly affecting the over all market condition.
And No, I don't consider this things when making investment decisions, the market is big enough to give everyone patient enough big profit.
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Before we begin to imagine if Microstrategy and Michael saylor will their bitcoin stash in this coming bull cycle, lets first find out how big this company is and whether they will be needing a huge amout of money for any reason in the near future, considering if this is a question, I would say "NO", Microstrategy is a pretty big company with lots of money at their disposal, I personally think that their investment in bitcoin is for now, considered as their foreign reserve, that is, their way of saving funds they don't intend using for any thing in the short or long term, so, for this reason, I do not think Microstrategy will sell their bitcoin in the coming bull cycle, but on the other hand, even if they decide to sell, it's their money and I believe that there will be more than enough liquidity in the market in this coming bull cycle to absorb such huge sell off without it significantly affecting the over all market condition.
And No, I don't consider this things when making investment decisions, the market is big enough to give everyone patient enough big profit.
I don't think Saylor and MS will sell BTC because they need money to do something, like acquire a competitor or expand their software business. Instead, I think they will take profits to have more money to buy back more BTC during the crypto winter. BTC has become part of MS's strategy, which means they will look to get the most profit possible from BTC. I don't think holding through the crypto winter is the right way, even though it can create a good narrative about diamond hands. Taking profits at the top and buying back at the bottom is a decision that creates more profit, which is what we have seen in many past seasons.
I'm not sure if MS and Saylor will sell all of their BTC, but if they sell just a portion in mid-2025, I believe it will trigger anxiety and create a sell-off in the crypto market because MS has been very popular in this market. The liquidity in the market is enough to absorb billions of dollars worth of BTC from MS, but I don't believe other investors will want to buy BTC when MS has sold.
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Drove up the other day very positive: "BlackRock has increased the amount of BTC on its balance sheet to 254,403 BTC for its spot BTC-ETF (up from 252,011 BTC previously)."
The official news: https://www.ishares.com/us/products/333011/ishares-bitcoin-trust
(https://i.ibb.co/C2xjt5n/photo-2024-04-04-13-30-17.jpg)
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We won't know when exactly Michael Saylor will sell the Bitcoin he owns through his company Microstrategy, because if he really wants to sell then he will definitely make a big market correction, he won't be able to sell little by little because it takes a long time to do it (sell) all the bitcoins he has. he got the world's spotlight because he chose to invest in bitcoin with the DCA concept, so he won't sell the bitcoin he owns that easily, he will only damage his reputation (like Elon Musk did when he reported selling the bitcoin he owned)
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The better and easier it becomes on us if we do not follow Michael Saylor from back to back, because he himself is someone of a controversial character as today you may see him appraising the bitcoin holders and tomorrow, saying other thing that may even go against what he has already talked about, making bitcoin investment is about commitment, there are more people richer than them and are not investing anything on bitcoin, we only have to go for what we want.
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The better and easier it becomes on us if we do not follow Michael Saylor from back to back, because he himself is someone of a controversial character as today you may see him appraising the bitcoin holders and tomorrow, saying other thing that may even go against what he has already talked about, making bitcoin investment is about commitment, there are more people richer than them and are not investing anything on bitcoin, we only have to go for what we want.
Everyone has the right to share their personal opinions, but usually those opinions are not really important. Saylor is not a simple case like that. Saylor is actually famous and known as diamond hands in the BTC market, he has raised billions of USD to accumulate BTC for MicroStrategy, that is not a small event in this market.
I believe that there are many successful investors who do not follow or care about MS's BTC, but if Saylor changes his view on BTC and MS sells their BTC, the market will face a crisis of confidence because holders no longer have a reason to continue holding when diamond hands surrender to profits or market reversals. If that happens, I would hope that I can get the news early enough to make a wise and timely decision for my account.
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The better and easier it becomes on us if we do not follow Michael Saylor from back to back, because he himself is someone of a controversial character as today you may see him appraising the bitcoin holders and tomorrow, saying other thing that may even go against what he has already talked about, making bitcoin investment is about commitment, there are more people richer than them and are not investing anything on bitcoin, we only have to go for what we want.
Though I agree that one's financial decisions shouldn't be influenced by someone else's decisions, I don't remember when Michael Saylor said anything negative about Bitcoin because he and his company have always been supportive of Bitcoin and has been purchasing and holding Bitcoins for a long time now. So they are showing direct support to Bitcoin and the technology by doing this.
That being said, I would also say that a person should be able to make their decisions themselves instead of relying on others and keep waiting for a firm or an influential person to make a move so that they can make a move as well.
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I think they're trying to control the market in the long run and will not sell until btc reaches 1 million per. They want to become billionaires and most of it will be from profit they made buying btc sub 100k.
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I think they're trying to control the market in the long run and will not sell until btc reaches 1 million per.
Michael Saylor said something like "The end game is who has most bitcoins".
His interview on it (https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/michael-saylor-is-never-selling-microstrategys-bitcoin-100028211.html)
“We think bitcoin is the highest form of property, the apex property in the world, and it’s the best investment asset,” he said. “So the endgame is to acquire more bitcoin. Whoever gets the most bitcoin wins. There is no other endgame.”
Put another way, he said, “We believe that the highest, best use of bitcoin is to buy bitcoin and hold the bitcoin.”
They want to become billionaires and most of it will be from profit they made buying btc sub 100k.
They are already billionaires and want more, trillionaires maybe.
https://saylortracker.com/
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I think they're trying to control the market in the long run and will not sell until btc reaches 1 million per. They want to become billionaires and most of it will be from profit they made buying btc sub 100k.
MS wants to maximize profits from its BTC strategy and financial leverage, thereby supporting the price of MSTR on the stock market. I don't think MS wants to become a whale or market maker in this crypto market. To maximize profits, it is normal to buy at the bottom and sell at the top, I don't believe MS would do otherwise to show diamond hands.
Anyway, we will know the answer this year or next year, when the market will show signs of a decline. If MS continues to hold and buy BTC, they will gain the reputation and trust of investors. If MS sells some or all of their BTC: it is normal and it has been successful in investing and achieved huge profits.