[possible scam] UniJoin.io

[SamReomo]

As there isn't a representative in btt as well, this is indeed a problem.

I believe all mixers should create an ANN in this forum, as they were banned in BTT.
Thankfully icopress contacted them, but public discussions are better in most cases imo.

I agree with you and I believe it's necessary to have their representative on this forum. This forum is now a better place for mixers so every service should have their official representatives and an announcement thread by original representatives or at least the original representatives should be present on those announcement threads.

@OP are you sure about what you said, you said that you have sent more than 15 BTC, can you prove your statement? Unijoin has been a very reliable mixing service and many people have left positive feedback about them. That's not a small amount and I guess Unijoin team has answered your question is this post of Icopress.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Custodial coinjoin services sound like complete snake oil to me. There is no need to trust a third party with your Bitcoin when it is easier, cheaper and less risky to use an open source coinjoin client installed on your own computer. It’s insane you would be mixing 15 BTC without validating the guarantee you were given, but it’s also a common practice and these scam websites are more than happy to exploit your carelessness. Whether it was Unijoin or an imitator that scammed you we will never be certain because of your mistake of trusting without verifying.

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OP, as you can see, we are all sceptical of this accusation and somehow we know Unijo's service better than you, so we can't take your word for it.
The suggestion for you is to find one user from this forum, someone with enough trust and a good reputation, someone who understands the whole thing from a technical aspect. Present all the evidence to him and it will be easier for us to believe in the analysis of a proven user than you. Even after generous donations.

[Cantsay]

The more I read this discussion, the more persuaded I am that it was all a hoax. The Op claimed to have lost 15+ BTC but hasn't posted in three days (he didn't even respond to Unijoin's response to the matter), despite visiting the forum throughout that time. This is hardly the behaviour of someone who has actually lost that much money.

[jessuni]

In fact, UniJoin did not respond anything.

The correct answer was "we conducted/are conducting an investigation and did not find any evidence."

We can't even say 100% that this is their official answer.

UniJoin still does not have an official representative on the forum, which is very unusual for a mixer that positions itself as trusted and reliable, operating since 2022.

Also I am still not ready to disclose any details publicly. Let me remind- I gave all mixId (real and fake) and letters of guarantee (real and fake) in their chat. And then they claim that I didn't use their mixer at all?? I am ready to try again to provide all the data but only to their official representative. However they have already refused to do anything.

As I already wrote, this leaves the word of a random user against their words. But our difference is that I tried to interact with them and they considered me just an idiot.

I think this topic will be closed, but everyone should know that they can lose their money by using this mixer, and the mixer does not want to conduct any investigation, or even accept any evidence.

I'll try to do something through other channels (obviously I won't find the truth here).

UniJoin if you still want to break up what happened and restore your reputation then please create an official representative on the forum and write me a private message.

I wish peace to everyone. Don't fall for the tricks of such scammers.

[arabspaceship123]

You didn't present evidence so what you're saying says absolutely nothing and proves nothing. I can't say what happened because you didn't show evidence something unexpected happened so without it you won't convince ppl. I trust UniJoin.

icopress said they've spent six figures on ads that isn't done by companies planning a scam exit. I've known UniJoin from sig campaigns before I've teleported they aren't scammers. They've always had a good rep.

This says absolutely nothing and proves nothing. Everyone may face unexpected problems in life due to which they may make bad decisions.

UniJoin don't operate like they've planned a scam exit so there aren't reasons to stop trusting them.

Then how exactly do you think what happened can be explained? Hackers attack? Insider? Replacing the final Tor node?

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We can't even say 100% that this is their official answer.

Almost the same thing as your claim that they scammed you. However, this was conveyed by a well-known member who has proven his integrity many times.

Also I am still not ready to disclose any details publicly. Let me remind- I gave all mixId (real and fake) and letters of guarantee (real and fake) in their chat. And then they claim that I didn't use their mixer at all?? I am ready to try again to provide all the data but only to their official representative. However they have already refused to do anything.

You don't have to reveal anything publicly. I gave you a proposal to present the evidence to a third party, someone you trust and someone who will confirm what you write here.

UniJoin if you still want to break up what happened and restore your reputation then please create an official representative on the forum and write me a private message.

You have not damaged their reputation here, we have no confirmation for your claims. If we just accepted every accusation from anonymous people on the Internet, could any service have a positive reputation?
Generous donation means nothing in cases like this.

[Cantsay]

UniJoin if you still want to break up what happened and restore your reputation then please create an official representative on the forum and write me a private message.

Restore reputation? All you did was create a huge wall of text claiming to have been scammed; if you wanted to harm the service's reputation, you would have provided evidence (they made a nice suggestion that wouldn't jeopardise your privacy, but you chose not to do anything, proving that you didn't lose any bitcoin to Unijoin.).

[BitMaxz]

The only thing that I could see here is that you are trying to damage their reputation and maybe you are one of the other mixers' representatives trying to convince people not to use UniJoin but instead use other mixers.

Without evidence how can we be sure that all you said here is true why not provide all the evidence you have to icopress if you don't want to post them publicly, since he is the one who has contact directly to Unijoin he can maybe able to help you with your case if this is true.

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UniJoin's official answer.

Recently, we learned of a claim indicating that a user was defrauded by UniJoin. However, a closer look reveals that the shared letter of guarantee is missing UniJoin's public key, which is a crucial element and is accessible to the public on our platform. This indicates that no order was ever placed through UniJoin.

When presented with an incorrect letter of guarantee, there are multiple scenarios that could have occurred. It's not uncommon for us to receive requests from individuals who upload letters of guarantee without any prior deposits for an attend to receive BTC refunds. A second possible scenario is where consumers might have unintentionally accessed a phishing website and sent Bitcoin to a fraudulent website.

We find such phishing websites very frequently and are constantly working to shut each and every one of them down. Our community is also actively fighting this problem, and over the past six months, Bitcointalk users have repeatedly united their efforts to stop fraudulent activities in telegrams, websites and others (we are talking about dozens of phishing attempts). Lastly we do not exclude the possible scenario in that another company will make up these allegations in order to harm our name.

We also do not refer to our crystal clear reputation, and the fact that our platform is used by thousands of people every month, since the reputation component is not relevant to this issue. As for the technical part, It's difficult for us to carry out a comprehensive investigation in the absence of additional proof. It's important to remember, though, that the shared letter of guarantee does not contain our public key, which verifies that UniJoin was not used to process the order.

We sincerely thank you for your attention to this matter and reassure you that maintaining the integrity of our platform always remains our top priority.

[yahoo62278]

UniJoin's official answer.

Recently, we learned of a claim indicating that a user was defrauded by UniJoin. However, a closer look reveals that the shared letter of guarantee is missing UniJoin's public key, which is a crucial element and is accessible to the public on our platform. This indicates that no order was ever placed through UniJoin.

When presented with an incorrect letter of guarantee, there are multiple scenarios that could have occurred. It's not uncommon for us to receive requests from individuals who upload letters of guarantee without any prior deposits for an attend to receive BTC refunds. A second possible scenario is where consumers might have unintentionally accessed a phishing website and sent Bitcoin to a fraudulent website.

We find such phishing websites very frequently and are constantly working to shut each and every one of them down. Our community is also actively fighting this problem, and over the past six months, Bitcointalk users have repeatedly united their efforts to stop fraudulent activities in telegrams, websites and others (we are talking about dozens of phishing attempts). Lastly we do not exclude the possible scenario in that another company will make up these allegations in order to harm our name.

We also do not refer to our crystal clear reputation, and the fact that our platform is used by thousands of people every month, since the reputation component is not relevant to this issue. As for the technical part, It's difficult for us to carry out a comprehensive investigation in the absence of additional proof. It's important to remember, though, that the shared letter of guarantee does not contain our public key, which verifies that UniJoin was not used to process the order.

We sincerely thank you for your attention to this matter and reassure you that maintaining the integrity of our platform always remains our top priority.

@jessuni are you sure you were on the official unijoin site? They seem pretty confident that it's possible you didn't. Not sure if you read their reply, but without further proof it would be silly for the community to just blindly believe they would scam. I hope you get your coins back as that's a load of cash, I'd def keep track of the deposit address and follow the funds.

[arabspaceship123]

UniJoin say they didn't scam. He didn't show us UniJoin scammed so he's used the wrong site. He's sent money to a phishing site which's stolen his transfer mix.

@jessuni are you sure you were on the official unijoin site? They seem pretty confident that it's possible you didn't. Not sure if you read their reply, but without further proof it would be silly for the community to just blindly believe they would scam. I hope you get your coins back as that's a load of cash, I'd def keep track of the deposit address and follow the funds.

[yahoo62278]

UniJoin say they didn't scam. He didn't show us UniJoin scammed so he's used the wrong site. He's sent money to a phishing site which's stolen his transfer mix.

@jessuni are you sure you were on the official unijoin site? They seem pretty confident that it's possible you didn't. Not sure if you read their reply, but without further proof it would be silly for the community to just blindly believe they would scam. I hope you get your coins back as that's a load of cash, I'd def keep track of the deposit address and follow the funds.

Pretty big mistake to make. I'm always worried about something like this when transferring btc. I'd rather be safe than sorry and send multiple smaller transactions. Just the skeptic in me I suppose.

[Cantsay]

UniJoin say they didn't scam. He didn't show us UniJoin scammed so he's used the wrong site. He's sent money to a phishing site which's stolen his transfer mix.

Aside from using a phishing site - there’s also a possibility that he never mixed any coin in the first place, he only just wanted to create FUD for Unijoin.

How will someone just come to a forum and after claiming they have lost more than half a million dollars to a company that they used, then the person disappears after a few interactions and also didn’t provide any evidence that they used the service.