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Title: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Evgenklm on February 19, 2024, 10:22:13 AM
We all know that ETH switched to the POS algorithm long ago, and we were supposed to see a flexible scalability of the network and cheap transactions. While transactions have become cheaper, comparing to BSC, DOT, Polygon, they still remain relatively expensive. Today, looking at Gas station, I see that a regular transaction costs $1.5-2, not to mention swaps.

Question:
Will a solution be found to the problem of expensive transactions on Ethereum? What steps can be taken to reduce fees and increase network scalability?
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: bitmover on February 19, 2024, 05:46:45 PM
We all know that ETH switched to the POS algorithm long ago, and we were supposed to see a flexible scalability of the network and cheap transactions. While transactions have become cheaper, comparing to BSC, DOT, Polygon, they still remain relatively expensive. Today, looking at Gas station, I see that a regular transaction costs $1.5-2, not to mention swaps.

Question:
Will a solution be found to the problem of expensive transactions on Ethereum? What steps can be taken to reduce fees and increase network scalability?

I think you don't understand what Ethereum is and what those coins are.

Bnb is an ethereum copy cat,  however it is 100% centralized in binance servers. This is why it is fast.

Polygon is a second layer of ethereum. It is an etherteum scalability solution.

Ethereum fees are expensive because the computational power of dex and most smartcontracts that runs on ethereum are expensive.and a lot of people use them.

Fees are lower with pos, they were even higher 4 years ago..  I paid more than $50 for a swap in the past.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: bitterguy28 on February 20, 2024, 04:16:28 AM
We all know that ETH switched to the POS algorithm long ago, and we were supposed to see a flexible scalability of the network and cheap transactions. While transactions have become cheaper, comparing to BSC, DOT, Polygon, they still remain relatively expensive. Today, looking at Gas station, I see that a regular transaction costs $1.5-2, not to mention swaps.

Question:
Will a solution be found to the problem of expensive transactions on Ethereum? What steps can be taken to reduce fees and increase network scalability?
You called 1-2 dollars fee to be  a High gas fee so what more when there is congestion that the fee rose up to 2 digits and even higher for a super small transacting?
have experienced this in 2018 and another in couple years ago this is also the reason why I kept holding other altcoins that has cheaper transaction fees so I cannot be obligated to pay that much when there are congestion.
but you are also correct that this should not be growing as much as how Bitcoin is.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: hugeblack on February 20, 2024, 09:41:04 AM
You cannot get zero fees and a decentralized blockchain. In the end, whoever adds the blockchain to the network will need resources and operating it will need money, but the fees should be reasonable with solutions for daily transactions. If we say what are the reasonable fees, I think that $1 to $5 is reasonable if you want to transfer something. Its value is $1000+ and is unreasonable for daily transactions.
For daily transactions, you can use second-layer solutions such as Polygon, which enables you to create hundreds of transactions for $1.

If you want to look for extremely low fees and a centralized blockchain, use XRP.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Evgenklm on February 20, 2024, 10:11:41 AM
We all know that ETH switched to the POS algorithm long ago, and we were supposed to see a flexible scalability of the network and cheap transactions. While transactions have become cheaper, comparing to BSC, DOT, Polygon, they still remain relatively expensive. Today, looking at Gas station, I see that a regular transaction costs $1.5-2, not to mention swaps.

Question:
Will a solution be found to the problem of expensive transactions on Ethereum? What steps can be taken to reduce fees and increase network scalability?

I think you don't understand what Ethereum is and what those coins are.

Bnb is an ethereum copy cat,  however it is 100% centralized in binance servers. This is why it is fast.

Polygon is a second layer of ethereum. It is an etherteum scalability solution.

Ethereum fees are expensive because the computational power of dex and most smartcontracts that runs on ethereum are expensive.and a lot of people use them.

Fees are lower with pos, they were even higher 4 years ago..  I paid more than $50 for a swap in the past.

You are absolutely right. I know that BNB and Polygon are second-layer networks derived from ETH, and everyone is looking for what suits them best. If paying $50 for a swap suited you, then it's your right. I see that with Ethereum's transition to POS, gas fees have decreased, but they still remain higher than those of its competitors. The scalability issue hasn't gone away. I used this network very often before, and never bothered to check the Gas fees. I would like those times to return, and I wish the Ethereum team would do something about it.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Evgenklm on February 20, 2024, 10:17:38 AM
We all know that ETH switched to the POS algorithm long ago, and we were supposed to see a flexible scalability of the network and cheap transactions. While transactions have become cheaper, comparing to BSC, DOT, Polygon, they still remain relatively expensive. Today, looking at Gas station, I see that a regular transaction costs $1.5-2, not to mention swaps.

Question:
Will a solution be found to the problem of expensive transactions on Ethereum? What steps can be taken to reduce fees and increase network scalability?
You called 1-2 dollars fee to be  a High gas fee so what more when there is congestion that the fee rose up to 2 digits and even higher for a super small transacting?
have experienced this in 2018 and another in couple years ago this is also the reason why I kept holding other altcoins that has cheaper transaction fees so I cannot be obligated to pay that much when there are congestion.
but you are also correct that this should not be growing as much as how Bitcoin is.

I fully agree with your observations. I have also experienced the rise in gas fees on Ethereum during periods of network congestion, especially during peak activity like drops. Often, it was necessary to wait for fees to decrease or seek alternative platforms with lower fees. This shouldn't be the case for a project that ranks second on CMC. With the transition to POS, such unpleasant moments have become less frequent, but I still would like to see even better performance.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: bitmover on February 20, 2024, 03:12:34 PM
You are absolutely right. I know that BNB and Polygon are second-layer networks derived from ETH, and everyone is looking for what suits them best. If paying $50 for a swap suited you, then it's your right.

I am not ok with $50 cost per swap... However, this is how much the market pays, and a LOT of people do that.

You can check prices here. Right now:
https://etherscan.io/gastracker

$3.32 for eth transfer.

Action   Low      Average   High
Swap   $57.32   $57.32   $57.32
NFT Sale   $96.87   $96.87   $96.87
Bridging   $18.43   $18.43   $18.43
Borrowing   $48.62   $48.62   $48.62
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on February 23, 2024, 09:46:42 AM
In general, 1-5$ for 1 transaction is relatively not that much. In bitcoin there were (I don't know how it is now, I haven't looked) transfers of 5$+.

If there is a possibility to make money and you need to pay 30-60$ for 1 transaction, no problem I will pay - if there is a profit from it.

P.S. I've noticed a trend. As soon as there are (various kinds of activity) in this network. The gas fee goes up instantly. Will it be that the gas fee will stop and always be the same? My answer is: of course not.

At the moment, the situation is as follows:

(https://i.ibb.co/xJXqRft/Screenshot-1.png)
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Doovla on February 23, 2024, 04:55:04 PM
From earlier usage in sending and receiving Ethereum transaction gas fee have been quite cheap,around 0,3 to 0,8$ but then the value have been significatly down. It also depends in how much it take for example not from staking but from gas cost to upgrade the price value to the higher level. Solutions can be by buying more Ethereum there will be less space left for that much of cost for gas,the point will be in price value and not the gas cost and it will not depend in each other no more. So with wide transparent transaction from users that can be solution for lower expense in that level of depending.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Gurujebs on February 23, 2024, 06:11:49 PM
Question:
Will a solution be found to the problem of expensive transactions on Ethereum? What steps can be taken to reduce fees and increase network scalability?

I used to tell people that ethereum fees will remain the way it's for the next 50 years and the lies regarding the fees will continue just for the holders to continue to hold and to convince new investors to continue to hold. If really the fees are going to reduce, they would have done so from the beginning when the design and coding was done but it's funny when developers are still giving false hope.

They know that the fees will remain like this forever thats why they roll up the layer 2 so that you can interact with them as bridge and then have way to spend small fees without losing interest on ethereum.

The only way to reduce the fees is bridging by using Arbirtrum chain, Optimism, Avalanche, BSC and Polygon.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: MrSpasybo on February 23, 2024, 06:16:15 PM
In general, 1-5$ for 1 transaction is relatively not that much. In bitcoin there were (I don't know how it is now, I haven't looked) transfers of 5$+.

If there is a possibility to make money and you need to pay 30-60$ for 1 transaction, no problem I will pay - if there is a profit from it.

P.S. I've noticed a trend. As soon as there are (various kinds of activity) in this network. The gas fee goes up instantly. Will it be that the gas fee will stop and always be the same? My answer is: of course not.
It seems we have strayed too far from the topic content.

I know that transaction fees around $1-5 are cheap for some, but may be too expensive for others, especially when they have experienced $0.01 fees on other networks like EOS or Solana.

We know that network speed limits + high user demand have pushed gas fees up. We do not seek to reduce user demand as a criterion of development, we seek to expand the speed limits of the network or alternative solutions:

+ EVM compatible Layer-1 blockchains like BNB chain and Polygon allow dev teams to launch their projects as easily as on Ethereum.
+ Layer-2 blockchains like Arbitrum and Optimism help transactions be processed separately and then sent to Ethereum.
+ Sharding solutions can be implemented to increase the speed of Ethereum in the future.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: DAMKAR on February 27, 2024, 06:48:42 AM
Question:
Will a solution be found to the problem of expensive transactions on Ethereum? What steps can be taken to reduce fees and increase network scalability?

I used to tell people that ethereum fees will remain the way it's for the next 50 years and the lies regarding the fees will continue just for the holders to continue to hold and to convince new investors to continue to hold. If really the fees are going to reduce, they would have done so from the beginning when the design and coding was done but it's funny when developers are still giving false hope.

They know that the fees will remain like this forever thats why they roll up the layer 2 so that you can interact with them as bridge and then have way to spend small fees without losing interest on ethereum.

The only way to reduce the fees is bridging by using Arbirtrum chain, Optimism, Avalanche, BSC and Polygon.

This means that ethereum itself has not solved the classic problem, because if you want it to be cheaper you can bridge it using the Arbirtrum, Optimism, Avalanche, BSC and Polygon chains. We should use another platform if we want it to be cheaper, ethereum will still be expensive, who knows how long it will last.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Gurujebs on February 27, 2024, 09:20:55 AM
This means that ethereum itself has not solved the classic problem, because if you want it to be cheaper you can bridge it using the Arbirtrum, Optimism, Avalanche, BSC and Polygon chains. We should use another platform if we want it to be cheaper, ethereum will still be expensive, who knows how long it will last.

Exactly what I was trying to pass. Ethereum cannot scale but the developers don't want to admit that, instead they created a branch of developers to help them make transactions cheaper to the lowest so it can be a stepping bridge between Ethereum chain and other layer 2 blockchains but we assumed that these blockchains are going to replace all ethereum meanwhile they are helping it do the main job which is providing speed for the parent chain(Ethereum).

Solana is the closest to making Ethereum look bad in reality but there partnership FTX that collapsed and down of the chain many times is making it look way more worse than ethereum.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: vegasus on March 02, 2024, 11:49:04 PM
One of the weaknesses of Ethereum is that its transaction fees are quite high, even if the analysis is bullish, the gas fees can soar very significantly. Even some of the project developments are having difficulty covering all of this. And what ETH will look like in the future will actually have an impact on what will happen. Sending ETH or ERC20 tokens with very high fees, and there is no clear solution to this yet.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: bitterguy28 on March 03, 2024, 07:18:24 AM
We all know that ETH switched to the POS algorithm long ago, and we were supposed to see a flexible scalability of the network and cheap transactions. While transactions have become cheaper, comparing to BSC, DOT, Polygon, they still remain relatively expensive. Today, looking at Gas station, I see that a regular transaction costs $1.5-2, not to mention swaps.

Question:
Will a solution be found to the problem of expensive transactions on Ethereum? What steps can be taken to reduce fees and increase network scalability?
You called 1-2 dollars fee to be  a High gas fee so what more when there is congestion that the fee rose up to 2 digits and even higher for a super small transacting?
have experienced this in 2018 and another in couple years ago this is also the reason why I kept holding other altcoins that has cheaper transaction fees so I cannot be obligated to pay that much when there are congestion.
but you are also correct that this should not be growing as much as how Bitcoin is.

I fully agree with your observations. I have also experienced the rise in gas fees on Ethereum during periods of network congestion, especially during peak activity like drops. Often, it was necessary to wait for fees to decrease or seek alternative platforms with lower fees. This shouldn't be the case for a project that ranks second on CMC. With the transition to POS, such unpleasant moments have become less frequent, but I still would like to see even better performance.
Actually this goes together with Bitcoin and yes this is also the reason why Ethereum will keep being second as sometimes ETH gas is even higher than bitcoin transactions( as how I observed recently)
the team must do everything for this not to become a question against them and also for not to be a disappoinment and discouragement to all ethereum users.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: pacar_tiri on March 03, 2024, 03:01:56 PM
One of the weaknesses of Ethereum is that its transaction fees are quite high, even if the analysis is bullish, the gas fees can soar very significantly. Even some of the project developments are having difficulty covering all of this. And what ETH will look like in the future will actually have an impact on what will happen. Sending ETH or ERC20 tokens with very high fees, and there is no clear solution to this yet.
Yes, as you mentioned, Ethereum still has very important weaknesses and must be resolved immediately. Ethereum's transaction fees are still very high compared to several of Ethereum's competitors which are currently widely available and have many users who have turned away from Ethereum.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Stompix on March 03, 2024, 03:13:44 PM
We all know that ETH switched to the POS algorithm long ago, and we were supposed to see a flexible scalability of the network and cheap transactions.

Supposed! Then everyone realized that even if you double the capacity of somethin (I'm talking theoretically ) but the demand goes up three times you're in a worse position that before, pow or pos or whatever.
But in case of Etherum, it's not even scaling, fees being lower than they were years ago are simply because of lower demand for blockspace and things migrating to completely different blockchains, not eth sidechains, see USDT for example which was one of the biggest space users back then.

You cannot get zero fees and a decentralized blockchain. In the end, whoever adds the blockchain to the network will need resources and operating it will need money, but the fees should be reasonable with solutions for daily transactions.

Having 1 million users pay 1 cent is the equivalent of having 1000 pay $10 for a tx each day.
But seems like neither Bitcoin dev nor Eth are realizing this!

If you want to look for extremely low fees and a centralized blockchain, use XRP.

Or use Doge, decentralized, accepted everywhere, half a cent for a tx
https://blockchair.com/dogecoin/transaction/5be34bceffd615adb2286a6a4b4ccc46a4406491779811f41141a90c78f93df3
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Litzki1990 on March 05, 2024, 03:11:32 AM
Ethereum's excessive transaction fees have always been the biggest problem for investors. Many investors avoid this platform because of Ethereum's high transaction fees. If a new project is on the Ethereum platform, many investors do not invest in those new projects only because of the additional transaction fees. Ethereum has been working on this problem for a long time and it has been rumored for a long time that Ethereum will bring their 2.0 version to the market where transaction fees will be very low. 2.0 will hit the market but there is no confirmation yet on when this technology will be available to investors.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: therozaq on March 06, 2024, 10:23:14 AM
One of the weaknesses of Ethereum is that its transaction fees are quite high, even if the analysis is bullish, the gas fees can soar very significantly. Even some of the project developments are having difficulty covering all of this. And what ETH will look like in the future will actually have an impact on what will happen. Sending ETH or ERC20 tokens with very high fees, and there is no clear solution to this yet.
Yes, as you mentioned, Ethereum still has very important weaknesses and must be resolved immediately. Ethereum's transaction fees are still very high compared to several of Ethereum's competitors which are currently widely available and have many users who have turned away from Ethereum.

High gas fees of ethereum have always been a problem for ethereum users and have not been resolved until now. I've tried making transactions at certain times of the day where traffic isn't busy, but that only reduces things a bit. The ethereum team should immediately resolve this problem
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: UNIVERSE on March 07, 2024, 12:01:59 AM
Since the past, we can say that Ethereum sending and transaction fees have been high. If it is in a bearish era, where the price of Ethereum is still quite declining and transactions on the network are not very busy, the gas fee is quite small. Only dozens or tens of Gwei is just a small number.

However, as the price of ETH increases and there are improvements in the network. then the fees adjust accordingly. and ETH fees are like this, the same as before. So, as users or investors of ETH, maybe we can actually follow the developments.

Because from us, there is no solution that is most suitable and can be implemented immediately to resolve complaints about gas fees alone.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: pacar_tiri on March 08, 2024, 11:20:49 PM
High gas fees of ethereum have always been a problem for ethereum users and have not been resolved until now. I've tried making transactions at certain times of the day where traffic isn't busy, but that only reduces things a bit. The ethereum team should immediately resolve this problem
Yes, you are right, therefore at least someone has started to complain about this problem to the Ethereum developers and provide information. If this problem is not resolved, many will leave Ethereum. Because you will definitely choose to use another network such as BSC or Solana which have cheap transaction fees.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: legend45 on March 09, 2024, 11:11:33 AM

Yes, you are right, therefore at least someone has started to complain about this problem to the Ethereum developers and provide information. If this problem is not resolved, many will leave Ethereum. Because you will definitely choose to use another network such as BSC or Solana which have cheap transaction fees.

I've done it friends, and probably many people have also switched to BSC and Solana. because we have been complaining for a long time about the high gas fees from ethereum but the ethereum team has no solution to overcome this problem. Actually, ethereum is under threat from its two closest competitors, Solana and BSC.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Stompix on March 10, 2024, 02:27:11 PM
Yup, seems like the scaling...doesn't scale

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/10/y9hXJ.png)

Eth has again gone above Bitcoin fees, and it's averaging for the last 24h a fee of :
Avg. Transaction Fee   0.006 ETH ($23.43)

ps.
If you're wondering where doge is in that chart is that flat line on the bottom at $0.027 pet tx.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Crwth on March 10, 2024, 02:30:34 PM
I made a swap a few days ago that reached a fee of ~100 USD. It just seems a lot of people have been trying to transact and maybe swaps in other layers. I think if you see the fee now, there are still a lot of improvements done with ETH. Like the dencun upgrade.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Google+ on March 19, 2024, 04:43:04 PM
I made a swap a few days ago that reached a fee of ~100 USD. It just seems a lot of people have been trying to transact and maybe swaps in other layers. I think if you see the fee now, there are still a lot of improvements done with ETH. Like the dencun upgrade.
I think what Ethereum has to do for future development is that it doesn't need to look at other improvements, maybe it should be able to fix the very high transaction fees first rather than having to make improvements in other sectors. Currently, many new projects have emerged with several advantages such as fees. cheap transactions and high speed, so Ethereum must pay attention to this first before all its users turn to other projects.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: therozaq on March 19, 2024, 05:46:32 PM
I made a swap a few days ago that reached a fee of ~100 USD. It just seems a lot of people have been trying to transact and maybe swaps in other layers. I think if you see the fee now, there are still a lot of improvements done with ETH. Like the dencun upgrade.

Using the Ethereum network always has high gas fees, maybe for investors this is not a problem. but for me personally, I prefer to use other networks, such as binance smart chain and TRC20. because if the fees I use for transactions are cheaper, I can use them for additional investment.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: yhiaali3 on March 19, 2024, 08:57:16 PM
There is already an upgrade on the Ethereum network and it has not finished yet. Recently, a new upgrade was announced within the multiple stages of upgrading the entire Ethereum network.

Fees at the present time seem very reasonable compared to past fees. It is true that they are still somewhat high for daily transactions, but they have improved a lot.

The main reason for the high fees on the Ethereum network is congestion due to the large number of tokens, applications and DeFi projects that are all based on the Ethereum network, but with the continuous upgrade and layer 2 solutions I expect it to improve even more in the future.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Stompix on March 19, 2024, 10:44:28 PM
There is already an upgrade on the Ethereum network and it has not finished yet. Recently, a new upgrade was announced within the multiple stages of upgrading the entire Ethereum network.

Upgrade after upgrade and buzzwords after buzzwords and Ethereum is barely making twice as much tx a day as Bitcoin while being twice as expensive on average, to me it looks more like the fees are going down because high-volume tokens have migrated from eth to things like tron, (usdt) and not because of these "fixes" that didn't fix anything major!
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: EthereumDev_ on March 20, 2024, 11:40:43 AM
Upgrade after upgrade and buzzwords after buzzwords and Ethereum is barely making twice as much tx a day as Bitcoin while being twice as expensive on average, to me it looks more like the fees are going down because high-volume tokens have migrated from eth to things like tron, (usdt) and not because of these "fixes" that didn't fix anything major!
Exactly, Vitalik Buterin will never solve this problem because currently the transaction fee problem on Ethereum is no longer possible to fix because it requires large costs and takes quite a long time. Meanwhile, Ethereum is a digital currency that has a high daily trading volume. It's quite high so it's impossible to stop its circulation just to fix high transaction costs and it's also not guaranteed to be successful.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: yhiaali3 on March 20, 2024, 11:29:48 PM
Upgrade after upgrade and buzzwords after buzzwords and Ethereum is barely making twice as much tx a day as Bitcoin while being twice as expensive on average, to me it looks more like the fees are going down because high-volume tokens have migrated from eth to things like tron, (usdt) and not because of these "fixes" that didn't fix anything major!

Yes, that's right, upgrade after upgrade without any noticeable improvement on the Ethereum network. Many upgrades were launched about two years ago until now, the most recent of which was the Dencun upgrade, which promised to significantly reduce fees, but we have not noticed this until now:
Quote
The Dencun upgrade was successfully rolled out on the Ethereum mainnet at 1:55 pm UTC on March 13.

Dencun is the most anticipated hard fork since the Merge and is expected to significantly reduce the transaction fees of layer-2 networks and enhance Ethereum’s overall scalability.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/dencun-upgrade-live-ethereum-mainnet
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: DAMKAR on March 22, 2024, 09:05:50 PM
Upgrade after upgrade and buzzwords after buzzwords and Ethereum is barely making twice as much tx a day as Bitcoin while being twice as expensive on average, to me it looks more like the fees are going down because high-volume tokens have migrated from eth to things like tron, (usdt) and not because of these "fixes" that didn't fix anything major!
Exactly, Vitalik Buterin will never solve this problem because currently the transaction fee problem on Ethereum is no longer possible to fix because it requires large costs and takes quite a long time. Meanwhile, Ethereum is a digital currency that has a high daily trading volume. It's quite high so it's impossible to stop its circulation just to fix high transaction costs and it's also not guaranteed to be successful.

I see that the Ethereum team has tried to solve the problem of high gas fees, although until now it has not been resolved. I also read several opinions like yours, such as the ethereum high gas fee problem will never be resolved. but ethereum will remain the priority of big investors after bitcoin became the first. Because we know ethereum has a very large community.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Stompix on March 22, 2024, 10:50:29 PM
Exactly, Vitalik Buterin will never solve this problem because currently the transaction fee problem on Ethereum is no longer possible to fix because it requires large costs and takes quite a long time. Meanwhile, Ethereum is a digital currency that has a high daily trading volume. It's quite high so it's impossible to stop its circulation just to fix high transaction costs and it's also not guaranteed to be successful.

You don't need to stop trading when you have a hard fork, Bitcoin didn't stop trading with Segwit or Taproot either!
Also, there are no high costs, it costs nothing to implement a change, just look at how Bitcoin did these, you just update and the chain continues on the updated protocol, validating new rules.
The problem with Ethereum is simple, Vitalik thinks that eventually his path will lead to scalability, and he refuses other updates that would fix the problem now, much like Bitcoin developers do, so it's more about pride than money!

Yes, that's right, upgrade after upgrade without any noticeable improvement on the Ethereum network. Many upgrades were launched about two years ago until now, the most recent of which was the Dencun upgrade, which promised to significantly reduce fees, but we have not noticed this until now

A long time ago I stopped caring about the eth upgrades.
There was an interesting one when they switched from PoW to PoS but the rest are like Windows updates.

Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: KryptoBull on March 23, 2024, 12:20:50 AM
I see that the Ethereum team has tried to solve the problem of high gas fees, although until now it has not been resolved. I also read several opinions like yours, such as the ethereum high gas fee problem will never be resolved. but ethereum will remain the priority of big investors after bitcoin became the first. Because we know ethereum has a very large community.
As I checked, the Ethereum Foundation is no longer focused on sharding. They have abandoned this solution in favor of focusing on layer-2 for the time being, as this solution is easier to implement and is effective enough to meet user needs with a speed of 100k tps. After the DenCun upgrade, transaction fees on layer-2 solutions have dropped to a few cents, and users are experiencing and enjoying it to the fullest.

I don't know much more about the technology updates for Ethereum layer-1. It seems that they don't want to focus on improving layer-1 right now. This could be a task for the future, after layer-2 is good enough and no further updates are needed to make them interact better with layer-1.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Stompix on March 23, 2024, 07:09:09 PM
As I checked, the Ethereum Foundation is no longer focused on sharding. They have abandoned this solution in favor of focusing on layer-2 for the time being, as this solution is easier to implement and is effective enough to meet user needs with a speed of 100k tps.

But they still call it sharding!
They just found out one better hyper ultra mage cool name for it, it's now called: Proto-Danksharding!

The problem is that they still need the main net, just as Bitcoin, so the results are:
ETH: Avg. Transaction Fee   0.0019 ETH ($6.32)
Avg. Transaction Fee   0.00011 BTC ($7.12)

This counting the fact that Bitcoin has by default a lower TPS, it's flooded with consolidations and ordinals and it's still there in terms of cost for a tx. So, as my previous message, a lot of hype for not so much tangible results!
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: legend45 on March 23, 2024, 09:55:26 PM
Upgrade after upgrade and buzzwords after buzzwords and Ethereum is barely making twice as much tx a day as Bitcoin while being twice as expensive on average, to me it looks more like the fees are going down because high-volume tokens have migrated from eth to things like tron, (usdt) and not because of these "fixes" that didn't fix anything major!
Exactly, Vitalik Buterin will never solve this problem because currently the transaction fee problem on Ethereum is no longer possible to fix because it requires large costs and takes quite a long time. Meanwhile, Ethereum is a digital currency that has a high daily trading volume. It's quite high so it's impossible to stop its circulation just to fix high transaction costs and it's also not guaranteed to be successful.

I see that the Ethereum team has tried to solve the problem of high gas fees, although until now it has not been resolved. I also read several opinions like yours, such as the ethereum high gas fee problem will never be resolved. but ethereum will remain the priority of big investors after bitcoin became the first. Because we know ethereum has a very large community.

The ethereum team should immediately solve the problem of high gas fees, because the competition for using the network is very large, rather than later ethereum will be abandoned by its fans. Even though the community is very large, small investors are very concerned about the high cost of gas.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: pacar_tiri on March 24, 2024, 01:28:57 PM
Upgrade after upgrade and buzzwords after buzzwords and Ethereum is barely making twice as much tx a day as Bitcoin while being twice as expensive on average, to me it looks more like the fees are going down because high-volume tokens have migrated from eth to things like tron, (usdt) and not because of these "fixes" that didn't fix anything major!
Exactly, Vitalik Buterin will never solve this problem because currently the transaction fee problem on Ethereum is no longer possible to fix because it requires large costs and takes quite a long time. Meanwhile, Ethereum is a digital currency that has a high daily trading volume. It's quite high so it's impossible to stop its circulation just to fix high transaction costs and it's also not guaranteed to be successful.

I see that the Ethereum team has tried to solve the problem of high gas fees, although until now it has not been resolved. I also read several opinions like yours, such as the ethereum high gas fee problem will never be resolved. but ethereum will remain the priority of big investors after bitcoin became the first. Because we know ethereum has a very large community.

The ethereum team should immediately solve the problem of high gas fees, because the competition for using the network is very large, rather than later ethereum will be abandoned by its fans. Even though the community is very large, small investors are very concerned about the high cost of gas.
I feel that the Ethereum developers will not solve this problem because the very high gas fees will only be fixed when they replace all the systems that have been installed and that requires a lot of money and also takes a very long processing time. This is Ethereum which has shortcomings with high gas fees, if you still want to provide support to Ethereum then you have to accept this, if you don't want to accept it then you can move to another network.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Jun on April 05, 2024, 03:45:35 AM
Every problems because theirs sulotion,but first let us consider, a higher price indicates faster processing , the speeds. And urgency  of transaction   determined the costs ,    but I believe this problems can be solved later s
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: Legion on April 07, 2024, 06:51:53 AM
Every problems because theirs sulotion,but first let us consider, a higher price indicates faster processing , the speeds. And urgency  of transaction   determined the costs ,    but I believe this problems can be solved later s
Regarding the problem of gas fees for carrying out transactions on the Ethereum network, I don't think this can ever be fixed, the Ethereum developer has said that this will be difficult to do and requires very large costs, so it will just be a waste of time, Developer If we've talked about it like that, we just need to wait for the time when Ethereum has cheap gas fees for making transactions.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: DAMKAR on April 07, 2024, 05:26:31 PM
Every problems because theirs sulotion,but first let us consider, a higher price indicates faster processing , the speeds. And urgency  of transaction   determined the costs ,    but I believe this problems can be solved later s
Regarding the problem of gas fees for carrying out transactions on the Ethereum network, I don't think this can ever be fixed, the Ethereum developer has said that this will be difficult to do and requires very large costs, so it will just be a waste of time, Developer If we've talked about it like that, we just need to wait for the time when Ethereum has cheap gas fees for making transactions.
ethereum gas fees are high, but it still has this large community which makes ethereum devs less concerned about improving the project so that it can overcome high gas fees. ethereum remains the second priority coin after bitcoin, but will eventually be replaced by cheaper platforms
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: de_prof on April 09, 2024, 04:01:09 PM
Every problems because theirs sulotion,but first let us consider, a higher price indicates faster processing , the speeds. And urgency  of transaction   determined the costs ,    but I believe this problems can be solved later s
Regarding the problem of gas fees for carrying out transactions on the Ethereum network, I don't think this can ever be fixed, the Ethereum developer has said that this will be difficult to do and requires very large costs, so it will just be a waste of time, Developer If we've talked about it like that, we just need to wait for the time when Ethereum has cheap gas fees for making transactions.
ethereum gas fees are high, but it still has this large community which makes ethereum devs less concerned about improving the project so that it can overcome high gas fees. ethereum remains the second priority coin after bitcoin, but will eventually be replaced by cheaper platforms
Actually ethereum dev has tried to solve this problem, but hasn't been able to. We've heard about ethereum 2.0 which was predicted to solve the high gas fee problem, but it turns out it can't. And what I've heard is that solving the high gas fee problem on ethereum requires a lot of funds, so ethereum devs don't really think about it and seem to be ignoring this problem. Even though we know that Binance Smart Chain and Solana offer cheaper and faster platforms, in my opinion it is likely that Ethereum will be replaced in the future.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: EthereumDev_ on April 13, 2024, 02:54:00 PM
ethereum gas fees are high, but it still has this large community which makes ethereum devs less concerned about improving the project so that it can overcome high gas fees. ethereum remains the second priority coin after bitcoin, but will eventually be replaced by cheaper platforms
If Ethereum still hasn't solved this problem then we can use other alternative networks that have transaction fees that are quite cheaper than Ethereum. We don't need to force Ethereum developers to fix this problem because there are many other networks that provide options for making transactions that are cheaper and faster. fast.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: legend45 on April 13, 2024, 05:05:36 PM
ethereum gas fees are high, but it still has this large community which makes ethereum devs less concerned about improving the project so that it can overcome high gas fees. ethereum remains the second priority coin after bitcoin, but will eventually be replaced by cheaper platforms
If Ethereum still hasn't solved this problem then we can use other alternative networks that have transaction fees that are quite cheaper than Ethereum. We don't need to force Ethereum developers to fix this problem because there are many other networks that provide options for making transactions that are cheaper and faster. fast.
you are right that there are still many networks that offer low gas fees and faster transaction speeds than ethereum, we should switch there rather than always waiting for the ethereum team to fix and find a solution for high gas fees, because this has been happening for a long time but they don't have a solution
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: pacar_tiri on April 14, 2024, 06:48:34 AM
you are right that there are still many networks that offer low gas fees and faster transaction speeds than ethereum, we should switch there rather than always waiting for the ethereum team to fix and find a solution for high gas fees, because this has been happening for a long time but they don't have a solution
Currently BNB and Solana might be an alternative for making transactions in cryptocurrency, currently market conditions are also not good, many coin prices have collapsed so there is a possibility that transactions are creeping up and using the BNB or Solana network to make transactions seems more profitable because it doesn't require a lot of money and time.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: salad daging on April 14, 2024, 12:01:42 PM
you are right that there are still many networks that offer low gas fees and faster transaction speeds than ethereum, we should switch there rather than always waiting for the ethereum team to fix and find a solution for high gas fees, because this has been happening for a long time but they don't have a solution
Currently BNB and Solana might be an alternative for making transactions in cryptocurrency, currently market conditions are also not good, many coin prices have collapsed so there is a possibility that transactions are creeping up and using the BNB or Solana network to make transactions seems more profitable because it doesn't require a lot of money and time.
I know there are so many coins that offer cheaper transactions including the ones you mentioned (Solana and BNB) do you know that the Ethereum network remains expensive still many people interact on this network because of the vast ecosystem and so many Dapps so people may prefer on the Ethereum network than on other coin networks.

Where the Ethereum network has a lot of potential where you will get big rewards with new projects.
Like Eigen Layern with points earned for restaking your ETH.
Don't ETH is strong even though it is expensive people don't have a problem with this, it is worth Ethena where people add liquidity with high fees but greater returns.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: legend45 on April 14, 2024, 03:43:08 PM
you are right that there are still many networks that offer low gas fees and faster transaction speeds than ethereum, we should switch there rather than always waiting for the ethereum team to fix and find a solution for high gas fees, because this has been happening for a long time but they don't have a solution
Currently BNB and Solana might be an alternative for making transactions in cryptocurrency, currently market conditions are also not good, many coin prices have collapsed so there is a possibility that transactions are creeping up and using the BNB or Solana network to make transactions seems more profitable because it doesn't require a lot of money and time.
If we compare it with Ethereum, Solana and BNB are alternative smart contracts that we can use because we know that Ethereum's gas fees are very high. Market conditions are currently undergoing a correction. I agree with you Solana and BNB transaction fees are cheaper than Ethereum
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: TopT3ns on April 21, 2024, 07:28:08 AM
If we compare it with Ethereum, Solana and BNB are alternative smart contracts that we can use because we know that Ethereum's gas fees are very high. Market conditions are currently undergoing a correction. I agree with you Solana and BNB transaction fees are cheaper than Ethereum
If we use Ethereum to make transactions, of course it will result in quite expensive transaction fees, but if there is no option to use another network then we are forced to wait until the price goes down again, because usually when the price goes down the gas costs also go down.
Title: Re: Expensive Transactions on Ethereum: Problem and Possible Solutions
Post by: $crypto$ on April 21, 2024, 02:43:56 PM
If we compare it with Ethereum, Solana and BNB are alternative smart contracts that we can use because we know that Ethereum's gas fees are very high. Market conditions are currently undergoing a correction. I agree with you Solana and BNB transaction fees are cheaper than Ethereum
If we use Ethereum to make transactions, of course it will result in quite expensive transaction fees, but if there is no option to use another network then we are forced to wait until the price goes down again, because usually when the price goes down the gas costs also go down.
Now this is one of the things that Ethereum complains about, namely expensive transaction fees, this makes it difficult for some people who are investors with small capital. However, there is no other choice when we use it, so we have to wait until fuel costs go down.

I hope that in the future there will be steps that will make it easier for us or not feel burdened by high transaction fees, because I myself am one of the ethereum users who is a little burdened.