Discussion about Altcoins Talks Shop

[examplens]

Well, the admin started a shop for some additional features on the forum.
For those who haven't seen it, here: Altcoins Talks Shop

Since the shop thread is only for those who buy some of the offered features, I will open this thread for discussion, I am very interested in the opinions of other members. I will mention only one part, the one that probably interests all members the most, anyway, everyone should visit the shop thread for more info.

What is available to buy ?

1- Features/ Abilities:
- Notify reply ability   >> Ask for notification when there is a reply on a topic. >>> Burn 10$ worth of ALTT token
- Notify new topic  >> Ask for notification when there is a new topic in a specific section. >>> Burn 5$ worth of ALTT token
- Delete own reply >> Be able to delete your own posts. >>> Burn 5$ worth of ALTT token
- Delete own topic >> Be able to delete your own topics. >>> Burn 10$ worth of ALTT token
- Move own topic >> Be able to move your own topics. >>> Burn 20$ worth of ALTT token
- Lock their own topic >> Be able to lock your own topics. >>> Burn 10$ worth of ALTT token
- Delete replies to own topics >> Be able to delete replies to your own topics. >>> Burn 10$ worth of ALTT token
- Lock own poll >> Be able to lock own polls. >>> Burn 5$ worth of ALTT token
- Delete own poll >> Be able to delete own polls. >>> Burn 10$ worth of ALTT token
- Edit own poll >> Be able to edit own polls. >>> Burn 10$ worth of ALTT token
- Create event on calendar >> Be able to create events on the calendar. >>> Burn 100$ worth of ALTT token
- Ability to set a custom title for themselves>> Be able to choose a custom title for yourself. >>> Burn 5$ worth of ALTT token
- Lock anyone's topic >> Be able to lock anyone's topic. >>> Burn 100$ worth of ALTT token

I am personally of the opinion that some things are excessive, and several things from this offer should certainly be a regular possibility on the forum. Especially the part about deleting your own posts. It simply happens, a wrong post and without the possibility of removal, it already turns into spam.
Yes, I understood that it was due to the manipulation of forum points, but I would certainly try to solve it differently, for example by deducting the same points for each deleted post.

Next, until now I received an email notification for the first reply in a discussion in which I participate, from now on it is only a paid feature?

Also, to have the possibility of locking your topic, most often in the prevention of spam, it is necessary to pay. I'm not sure I understand the point, except that it's somehow discouraging users from opening new discussions, because they can never finish it.

Personally, I don't have a big problem even under the current conditions, but I have the feeling that it is set up incorrectly and too much work is burdened on the moderators. Isn't it easier for me to just send the admins a link to the post that needs to be deleted or the thread that needs to be locked?

Finally, I am certainly not against Altcoinstalk collecting additional funds, but I believe that this may not be the best way because this forum still needs to be strengthened and to achieve that, it is necessary to facilitate its use as much as possible.


note: Still, the most important required feature is not available (mention notification), I hope that one moment when bitmover finishes it, it will not be too expensive 

[bitbit97]

I am curious about following feature: each account has points > points can be exchanged to ALTT > is it possible to have number of points reduced from account in exchange for new feature or ability?

Otherwise to get a new feature I must go to dex, exchange there, send tokens, make a reply. Whole process look like to get new feature on the forum I 1) enter forum 2) leave forum (to dex) 3) return to forum. Wont it be smart to do everything forum related within the forum, instead of running here and there ?

[Zed0X]

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Also, to have the possibility of locking your topic, most often in the prevention of spam, it is necessary to pay. I'm not sure I understand the point, except that it's somehow discouraging users from opening new discussions, because they can never finish it.

My understanding with "Lock anyone's topic" is that you can request to lock topics opened by other members. Currently, there is no paywall to lock your own topic and I hope admin doesn't take that away from thread starters.

I also do not see the point. If the topic if of low quality, you can hit report button and it's the moderators job to lock/delete it. If the topic is of good quality but you do not like what's being discussed, it doesn't make sense if you can ask the forum admin/mod to lock it for $100.

 

[bitmover]

I think the idea to give stuff to others is very interesting

3- Badges to display on others:

A- Just for fun:
>>> Burn 2$ worth of ALTT token
then post below what badge and who should receive it
A community account will announce the badge granting on the chat, with source and destination.
The badge will remain till removed by routine cleaning,
the destination can also choose to remove it by burning 1$ worth of ALTT token, after a minimum 48h.




B- For Gratitude:
- Sending Cheers /Toast
>>> Burn 2$ worth of ALTT token
then post below who should receive it
A community account will announce the badge granting on the chat, with source and destination.
The badge will remain till removed by routine cleaning (will remain a minimum for one week)


- Appreciation meter
>>> Burn 5$ worth of ALTT token >> for the first star
>>> Burn 10$ worth of ALTT token >> for the second star
>>> Burn 20$ worth of ALTT token >> for the third star
then post below who should receive it
A community account will announce the badge granting on the chat, with source and destination.
The badge will remain till the destination decides to remove it (no charge)

I miss this kind of incentive in bitcointalk and other forums. I think reddit has something similar.

Those  are the best items of the shop imo.

[rby]

Moderation will be tedious on the moderators. Nothing is free here, if I should burn a token in order to lock a thread when discussing there is no longer necessary.  If I may ask, how to earn this ALTT tokens or exchanges to buy it?

[dkbit98]

Maybe I should be partially blamed for giving idea to admin for this new paid feature.
Some time ago I won tokens in one of the forum giveaways and I asked admin if there is a way I can spend this tokens directly in forum.
I think that some of the prices are very high, and I am not going to pay to be able to delete my posts in forum, this should be standard free feature.
Another thing I don't like is posting proof of payment in topic and waiting to be approved.

[admin]

just to clarify few points:
1- Everyone earns points by creating topics and less points when replying to topics.
2- These points, and even the karma (if you wish) > can be withdrawn in tokens > i will send you the tokens to your bsc wallet
3- This token is listed on pancakeswap, where we add liquidity, to allow users to sell it ...
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All good so far ...
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However if there is no demand for the token, everytime it is sent, it will be sold, as you can see in the big drops on the chart :
https://dexscreener.com/bsc/0x193572229692bf74c171f834d405b334257a39b1

And if there is no demand no advertising revenue can keep the liquidity enough. Even if all the revenue we get from ads we put for liquidity, the liquidity will be removed, by the token sellers.

Thus the need for creating demand ...
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the features listed are available for some ranks but not others. the reason we made them unavailable is that many users abused these features, or even that these features can affect others, for example:
- Post/topic deletion : allow unlimited points generation, and difficult to detect.
- Topic deletion: affect other users post count, and when it's mega thread even rank drop sometimes.
- Notify: boggled the mail server multiple times, people asking for notification on popular boards, furthermore : many using no longer available emails rendered situation even more drastic.
- Locking own topic : i see it as a bit censorship, i avoid locking topics even when the topics annoys me.
etc ...
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Thus, for the greater good of the community (aka being able to maintain a token with a low volatility), some need be willing to not have the feature they want ... yet.

When you start getting these tokens after enough contributions, you will be then able to burn the needed amount of tokens without even having to buy it from pancakeswap.

PS: will announce token distribution round soon, after rechecking all the details and updating some details.

hope this helps clarify the idea, why we try to burn the token often.
I think i provided a detailed answer, i might not follow this topic for more replies as i have a lot of stuff that i need to do.

[admin]

Maybe I should be partially blamed for giving idea to admin for this new paid feature.
Some time ago I won tokens in one of the forum giveaways and I asked admin if there is a way I can spend this tokens directly in forum.
I think that some of the prices are very high, and I am not going to pay to be able to delete my posts in forum, this should be standard free feature.
Another thing I don't like is posting proof of payment in topic and waiting to be approved.

the idea was half baked, but when you suggested it, it was the confirmation i wanted 
but don't worry, better have a  paid option than no option
and ... at the end, if you check my reply, this is for the best interest of all, because all are earning points that can be withdrawn into tokens.

[dkbit98]

at the end, if you check my reply, this is for the best interest of all, because all are earning points that can be withdrawn into tokens.

How is that working exactly?
And don't we have to wait for you or some other moderator to send us those tokens manually?
If that is the case than we can't say this is real withdrawing, but maybe distribution.


Another thing, prices in shop should be only in tokens, not in dollar value.

[admin]

at the end, if you check my reply, this is for the best interest of all, because all are earning points that can be withdrawn into tokens.

How is that working exactly?
And don't we have to wait for you or some other moderator to send us those tokens manually?
If that is the case than we can't say this is real withdrawing, but maybe distribution.


Another thing, prices in shop should be only in tokens, not in dollar value.

yes distribution based on points (also in bank branch you say you withdraw even though it is actually distributed by human ), more details and clarifications to be announced soon about tokens (some info already present, but will be clarified).
pricing in tokens will need to be updated all the time due to high volatility , thus better this way, less work for me.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

From what I understand based on admins reply above, all this payment stuffs are all centered at creating utility for ALTT, and also a kind of incentive for users to hold the token, or burn it instead of selling it and draining the liquidity.

As much as I believe this to be good and will also help increase the value of ALTT overtime if everything is done properly, I will still agree with examplens, some of this features we will have to pay for arent supposed to be paid for, most especially in the area of a user's ability to delete or move his or her topic to another/the correct board, this is a common feature that is available on most forums for free, I don't understand why we will have to burn tokens to be able to correct our own mistake which also should help lessen spam on this forum.

Over all, I find the ability for users to pay for some special features on this forum a good thing, as it will help the forum (directly or indirectly) generate funds so as to keep improving the forum and also build more features, services and products, and also marketing as well, but  I am suggesting that the admin review the features that are to be paid for, some of the features currently listed are supposed to be basic features that should require no payment to access or be used.

[dkbit98]

pricing in tokens will need to be updated all the time due to high volatility , thus better this way, less work for me.

In my opinion this should not be based on fiat values, and you don't want to make a living from ''selling'' this additional features.
Consider this like donation, not like business, and maybe you will have better results than asking $10 for deleting topics or $20 to move topics.
I can do most of this stuff for FREE on bitcointalk or other forums, so I won't pay for them.
Only thing I would consider paying is something related with better rank or custom badges.

[PX-Z]

Also, to have the possibility of locking your topic, most often in the prevention of spam, it is necessary to pay. I'm not sure I understand the point, except that it's somehow discouraging users from opening new discussions, because they can never finish it.

I couldn't agree more. To think about that it was thought of as censorship when it should be a common feature. Although i understand the point that it could help the forum's activity of having topics and posts is equal to having more points for you to have those tokens and benefit from these "items" in the shop.

note: Still, the most important required feature is not available (mention notification),

Actually, I have made it already, but I didn't release it yet coz there's no response from the admin, and I guess he is working on something like tagging as he mentioned on the chat.

I hope that one moment when bitmover finishes it, it will not be too expensive

It will be worth at least a Patrons rank/badge

[admin]

From what I understand based on admins reply above, all this payment stuffs are all centered at creating utility for ALTT, and also a kind of incentive for users to hold the token, or burn it instead of selling it and draining the liquidity.

As much as I believe this to be good and will also help increase the value of ALTT overtime if everything is done properly, I will still agree with examplens, some of this features we will have to pay for arent supposed to be paid for, most especially in the area of a user's ability to delete or move his or her topic to another/the correct board, this is a common feature that is available on most forums for free, I don't understand why we will have to burn tokens to be able to correct our own mistake which also should help lessen spam on this forum.

Over all, I find the ability for users to pay for some special features on this forum a good thing, as it will help the forum (directly or indirectly) generate funds so as to keep improving the forum and also build more features, services and products, and also marketing as well, but  I am suggesting that the admin review the features that are to be paid for, some of the features currently listed are supposed to be basic features that should require no payment to access or be used.

all these features would be restricted otherwise, because each and everyone can be abused and have been abused.
even moving the post > you move it from a section open to all to another section that require approval > hence bypass the approval
we have been running this forum since 2017, and if there is a possibility to abuse, some people found it and abused.
other forums might not care, when it is none finance and there is less incentive > people will not abuse
some other forums have big budgets >> can put few mods on payroll to just delete topics that do not follow rules

[Don Pedro Dinero]

We had a discussion about this on the local board. Basically I see it as too complicated, with too many items and too many prices. I would prefer to have 4 or 5 items to pay for and give you access to various features, although I understand that the forum needs funding and one way to find it is this. Although I would hope that in the future, as things go along, the offer will be adapted.