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Title: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: sirty143 on April 13, 2024, 09:10:00 AM
Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes Subpar Energy Agreements With Brazil

The Paraguayan Senate has approved a resolution supporting selling the country’s energy surplus to crypto mining companies, given the price and guarantees that these institutions offer. The declaration criticizes the subpar agreements that sell energy to Brazil... See more for yourself here (https://news.bitcoin.com/paraguayan-senate-supports-selling-power-to-crypto-mining-companies-criticizes-subpar-energy-agreements-with-brazil/).

Your opinion is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: Rruchi man on April 17, 2024, 04:07:47 PM
Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes Subpar Energy Agreements With Brazil

The Paraguayan Senate has approved a resolution supporting selling the country’s energy surplus to crypto mining companies, given the price and guarantees that these institutions offer. The declaration criticizes the subpar agreements that sell energy to Brazil... See more for yourself here (https://news.bitcoin.com/paraguayan-senate-supports-selling-power-to-crypto-mining-companies-criticizes-subpar-energy-agreements-with-brazil/).

Your opinion is greatly appreciated.
Brazil may consider renegotiation, or maybe looking to another supplier who could still supply electricity to them at the same rate, or even better now increase their attention to become energy self sufficient.
 The Paraguayan senate are certainly after increasing profits, and they are willing to get it from elsewhere (crypto mining company) if the Brazilian government choose not renegotiate.
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: TomPluz on April 17, 2024, 04:28:57 PM
This is a good move on the part of the Paraguayan Senate as the country should look for its own economic interest and must go for something that can give the country and power providers more leeway for possible profits. Why would power be sold to another country for a lower rate when there is a good, lucrative alternative, the crypto mining operators? As power is always the main contention when it comes to crypto mining, I am happy to see Paraguay is now very much open to this business and I know that the country is in the right direction as this can open more opportunities for its people not just with these mining companies but also that possibility of opening the country for other crypto-related fintech companies to also come in and do business with the country as its base in the North America market.
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: robelneo on April 25, 2024, 04:18:53 PM
I think they did the right thing Paragua is not a super rich country they have the right to sell their power to the best possible buyer in this case mining companies which offer 25% more, 25% is very huge with that 25% more they can sustain sectors that needs funding.
If they prefer the offer from Brazil they will get a lot of criticism, it's their interest that should matter.
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: Stompix on April 25, 2024, 07:11:23 PM
Why would power be sold to another country for a lower rate when there is a good, lucrative alternative, the crypto mining operators?

Because it was the agreement when the Itaipu dam, which sits on the border between Paraguay and Brazil was constructed.?
Because both Brazil and Paraguay own that dam?
Also, because Brazil is Paraguay's largest trade partner, what happens after you piss them off and if your bet on mining goes south?
You have one angry neighbor, a fucked up trade balance, and electricity you can't sell to anyone anymore!
Is it worth the gamble for a country 30 times smaller than Brazil?



Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 25, 2024, 09:26:46 PM
IMO Paraguayan made a good decision, I mean if they have not made a long-term contract with Brazil to provide them electricity at such a rate, then they have no other fear of canceling the deal anytime. But if the agreement is long term then that's an immoral thing as contracts should be considered at all times that reflect the sovereignty of a country. But if no long-term contract then it's the best decision. Because they are already making deals with 20 companies which means there is no risk.

While profit is waiting for the government, then why would they give all that 2,000 MWh energy to Brazil, With this competition in the market, Brazil might suffer some energy crisis, although I don't have great knowledge of how much 2,000 MWh energy is. Well, Brazil has to give them a better price now.
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: yhiaali3 on April 27, 2024, 10:30:00 PM
Because it was the agreement when the Itaipu dam, which sits on the border between Paraguay and Brazil was constructed.?
Because both Brazil and Paraguay own that dam?
Also, because Brazil is Paraguay's largest trade partner, what happens after you piss them off and if your bet on mining goes south?
You have one angry neighbor, a fucked up trade balance, and electricity you can't sell to anyone anymore!
Is it worth the gamble for a country 30 times smaller than Brazil?
Of course, it is not worth it, but if Brazil and Paraguay own this dam, which is used to generate energy, there must be international agreements that determine each country’s shares of energy, and it is certain that Paraguay will not violate international law in selling Brazil’s dues to other parties, such as mining companies or others.

As I read in the article, the Paraguayan Senate approved a resolution supporting the sale of the country’s surplus energy to cryptocurrency mining companies. According to my understanding, only Paraguay’s surplus energy will be sold, and Brazil’s share will not be affected, Although the announcement criticized substandard agreements that sell energy to Brazil for 25% of the fees collected
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: Zed0X on April 29, 2024, 04:31:51 PM
Brazil pays $10 while Miners would pay $40, that's a no brainer if we're talking strictly about making profits from sale of energy surplus. I guess it is the better move after the call to suspend crypto mining (as mentioned in the article) due to losses caused by illegal miners..
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 30, 2024, 08:40:00 PM
Governments wont mind in selling out their power to crypto mining industries because they realized the amount of money to be involved as a benefit for them to be able to use that as a means of regulating the sectors and also carter for some of their budgets through mining revenue, we should know our governments for these, to either support or cast against as the case may be if they are not profitable about it.
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: Stompix on April 30, 2024, 11:13:09 PM
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Of course, it is not worth it, but if Brazil and Paraguay own this dam, which is used to generate energy, there must be international agreements that determine each country’s shares of energy, and it is certain that Paraguay will not violate international law in selling Brazil’s dues to other parties, such as mining companies or others.

There is one that's the whole thing, some in Paraguay don't want to honor it anymore, but that's just political suicide and killing foreign relations for....

As I read in the article, the Paraguayan Senate approved a resolution supporting the sale of the country’s surplus energy to cryptocurrency mining companies. According to my understanding, only Paraguay’s surplus energy will be sold, and Brazil’s share will not be affected, Although the announcement criticized substandard agreements that sell energy to Brazil for 25% of the fees collected

As I said, things are more complicated than just then, there is a provision on excess generation in which Brazil claims it would have priority on buying that, Paraguay says ok but not at the same price as the mandatory quota, Brazil says no, the same price and .....we have the current situation.
The main problem is if you're thinking long term
- unless the world goes nuclear Brazil will still be there in 100 years and be your 30x in size neighbor
- The US/EU/ bans crypto, Bitcoin switched to PoS, another currency comes out, etc and mining turns out to be a dead business returning 10 cents a day

Foreign relations are complicated, your biggest parent slapping you with some tariffs and everything you own is down the drain, things are not as easy as it might seem, in theory is simple, let's sell this for more but...
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: yhiaali3 on May 01, 2024, 06:11:13 AM
As I said, things are more complicated than just then, there is a provision on excess generation in which Brazil claims it would have priority on buying that, Paraguay says ok but not at the same price as the mandatory quota, Brazil says no, the same price and .....we have the current situation.
The main problem is if you're thinking long term
- unless the world goes nuclear Brazil will still be there in 100 years and be your 30x in size neighbor
- The US/EU/ bans crypto, Bitcoin switched to PoS, another currency comes out, etc and mining turns out to be a dead business returning 10 cents a day

Foreign relations are complicated, your biggest parent slapping you with some tariffs and everything you own is down the drain, things are not as easy as it might seem, in theory is simple, let's sell this for more but...
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Thank you for the extensive explanation. You have extensive knowledge of international relations and the problems between the two countries, and frankly, I do not have much knowledge of the relations between Brazil and Paraguay.

International relations in general are complex and intertwined, especially when there are shared sources of energy or wealth such as water, electricity, oil and gas, etc. Unfortunately, most of the conflicts that arise between countries arise due to the conflict over shared energy resources, which each party claims is their right.

For example, recently, a war almost broke out between Venezuela and Guyana over the oil-rich Essequibo region, which Venezuela claims is part of its territory, and tension still exists to this day.
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: Uruhara on May 01, 2024, 10:22:12 AM
The Paraguayan Senate has made a very wise move in this regard. Because the decision also looks like it will bring many benefits to the country itself. As I read in the news attached to the OP and I quote it below the points that I find interesting. 
Quote from: https://news.bitcoin.com/paraguayan-senate-supports-selling-power-to-crypto-mining-companies-criticizes-subpar-energy-agreements-with-brazil/
Buzarquis stated that energy sales for cryptocurrency mining allowed the National Power Administration (ANDE) to rake in over $100 million yearly, with “never before seen” guarantees from companies in the sector. According to Buzarquis, over 45 crypto-mining companies installed in Paraguay pay power tariffs ranging from $40 plus taxes per MWh to $52 plus taxes per MWh.
Title: Re: Paraguayan Senate Supports Selling Power to Crypto Mining Companies, Criticizes
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on May 01, 2024, 07:58:03 PM
The Paraguayan Senate has made a very wise move in this regard. Because the decision also looks like it will bring many benefits to the country itself. As I read in the news attached to the OP and I quote it below the points that I find interesting. 
Quote from: https://news.bitcoin.com/paraguayan-senate-supports-selling-power-to-crypto-mining-companies-criticizes-subpar-energy-agreements-with-brazil/
Buzarquis stated that energy sales for cryptocurrency mining allowed the National Power Administration (ANDE) to rake in over $100 million yearly, with “never before seen” guarantees from companies in the sector. According to Buzarquis, over 45 crypto-mining companies installed in Paraguay pay power tariffs ranging from $40 plus taxes per MWh to $52 plus taxes per MWh.

We should never forget that this kind of decision is being done for the best interest of what the country will see from it, they would have had a legal endorsement to back up this, they understand what they are doing, had it been that it will not favour them, they wouldn't have allowed for such, this is what some other people engage doing as well, using what they have to achieve getting what they want, I hope to see the entire process of Bitcoin mining turning to be green all over the world.