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Learning & News => Announcements [ANN] => Topic started by: NotATether on March 11, 2024, 06:28:00 AM
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Here you can post mixers links. Therefore, setting a mixers table or a screenshot of the site may be appropriate, and whoever wants more information can visit the link.
Many of mixers on that list are jambler.io partners[1], so marking that would be useful, as sometimes updating jambler.io services will affect all partners.
[1] https://jambler.io/our-partners.php
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NotATether very nice to see you started to accept banner advertisement on your website and earn something for your service ;)
I don't know what is happening with Mixtum but their Tor onion link is not working for some time, so maybe you can add question mark for them until this is resolved.
Another thing I would suggest is adding news or updates page on website.
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NotATether welcome to the forum, it's nice to see that you have finally joined this forum and have posted your site's announcement thread here. BitMixList.org is definitely the safe haven for the users who want to know about legit mixers. I hope users of this forum will get so much information about mixers after visiting your site. Once again welcome, and best of luck!
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Here you can post mixers links. Therefore, setting a mixers table or a screenshot of the site may be appropriate, and whoever wants more information can visit the link.
Then I would have to update two tables. It is hard enough to update one :)
The reason why Jambler does not get a spot on the table is because it is not a mixer. In fact, it gives bitcoins to mixers. So it's not very relevant to the end user.
Another thing I would suggest is adding news or updates page on website.
I have been thinking about adding a changelog. But it would have to be at the bottom of the page, because many mirrors are actually just single page sites.
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Good to see BitMixlist on this forum. Looking at the improvement, I can tell that you are doing very well.
Here you can post mixers links. Therefore, setting a mixers table or a screenshot of the site may be appropriate,
Perhaps he wants the visitors to visit his site to check the mixers list.
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I have been thinking about adding a changelog. But it would have to be at the bottom of the page, because many mirrors are actually just single page sites.
You can place it anywhere you what, it can even be hidden link that can redirect to your github page or something similar with more details.
I don't think you are going to have to update it so often, but it helps to see how active you are (or not) ;)
I hope github is not making any problems because of mixers...
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Indeed, it was good to see it here mate, actually I just bookmark the page like 10 minutes ago and so I was surprised to see it here, :D
Changelog should be in the bottom, in my opinion. And it's obvious that it is very important as we can see the revolution of this list. But if I have to vote about where to put the changelog, I will go on the bottom part.
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I hope github is not making any problems because of mixers...
What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely. Technically mixers are still advertised on there but theymos is not aware about it at all or he was given wrong brief LOL
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What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely. Technically mixers are still advertised on there but theymos is not aware about it at all or he was given wrong brief LOL
Definitely his wrong decision.
It is certainly some kind of attempt to mitigate the consequences of a bad decision that services that function as mixers are selectively allowed to attend, even though they are not declared as such.
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Definitely his wrong decision.
It is certainly some kind of attempt to mitigate the consequences of a bad decision that services that function as mixers are selectively allowed to attend, even though they are not declared as such.
I think it wasn't a wrong decision, he did it because the forum is in US jurisdiction and if he wouldn't do it then he may face legal issues in future. It was a pretty fast decision but he had to take that decision.
Well, due to some shady mixers all of the decent ones were affected because of the ban, but I believe it was for better. Now, in this forum mixers can advertise their services without any problems and Theymos is also at peace because he won't face any legal issues because of those shady mixers.
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I hope github is not making any problems because of mixers...
What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely. Technically mixers are still advertised on there but theymos is not aware about it at all or he was given wrong brief LOL
Even in the event that the Github mirror is banned, I have other mirrors on Gitlab and Bitbucket.
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What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely.
It wouldn't be strange for github to ban things, especially when you know who owns it.
Bitcointalk mixer ban was hard decision for theymos, and keeping them directly advertised would increase risk of some kind of punishment from government.
We don't know the full story and what was happening behind the scene.
Even in the event that the Github mirror is banned, I have other mirrors on Gitlab and Bitbucket.
Nice ;)
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What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely.
It wouldn't be strange for github to ban things, especially when you know who owns it.
Bitcointalk mixer ban was hard decision for theymos, and keeping them directly advertised would increase risk of some kind of punishment from government.
We don't know the full story and what was happening behind the scene.
It would not be surprising to see Github ban stuff. Tornado Cash was banned there before and its devs were actually deplatformed. Although to be fair, that was because of a court order, and I don't see one coming for me or BitMixList (ever).
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It would not be surprising to see Github ban stuff. Tornado Cash was banned there before and its devs were actually deplatformed. Although to be fair, that was because of a court order, and I don't see one coming for me or BitMixList (ever).
You are right, I totally forgot about TornadoCash case, and they are going to continue going down that road in future if government tells them to ban whatever they want to ban.
Since micr0s0ft purchased github I lost any trust in them, but most crypto projects are still using them by default, I think this is just a habit.
Gitlab and Bitbucket are good open source alternatives.
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Since micr0s0ft purchased github I lost any trust in them, but most crypto projects are still using them by default
This is not a good news at all. Bigger companies are finishing in any project is not good for the projects that does not qualify the interest of law enforcement agencies.
I don't see one coming for me or BitMixList (ever).
BitMixList is a simple listing website with a list of a few mixers. No one knows about it except only a few of us who are in the bitcoin community. I don't think it's going to be a bigger brand ever like chipmixer who can threat a system. Take a pill and sleep LOL
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I would like to get more information about YoMIX case. As far as I know, you have removed it from your list along with other mixers. Do you have any additional evidence that you can share with us?
We already have a discussion about it here ---> https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.msg1527031#msg1527031 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.msg1527031#msg1527031) but so far we have not found any confirmatory evidence.
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Can someone tell me all the mixers that are working with Jambler as provider?
It would be useful to have this information added in BitMixList website.
I found the list of partners on their website, but I think there are more that are not listed there:
https://jambler.io/our-partners.php
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I found the list of partners on their website, but I think there are more that are not listed there:
https://jambler.io/our-partners.php
I asked something similar earlier in Jambler ANN on Btt. I got an answer that there are partners who do not want to be exposed on the Jambler partner page.
Obviously, they have different ideas and approaches to finding users.
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Can someone tell me all the mixers that are working with Jambler as provider?
It would be useful to have this information added in BitMixList website.
I found the list of partners on their website, but I think there are more that are not listed there:
https://jambler.io/our-partners.php (https://jambler.io/our-partners.php)
Look for the Jambler.io PGP fingerprint in the letter of guarantee, if it is present. This mixer uses Jambler.io even if it is not mentioned, as all mixing operations go through the Jambler API.
B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF (https://jambler.io/pgp-key.txt)
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Can someone tell me all the mixers that are working with Jambler as provider?
It would be useful to have this information added in BitMixList website.
I found the list of partners on their website, but I think there are more that are not listed there:
https://jambler.io/our-partners.php
AFAIK there is a list of them here: https://mixhub.to/
but I haven't thought about adding that information because I don't see the use of knowing who provides the coins. Especially when it is unknown who gave them the coins. Yes I know it's regular users like us, but their coin history - not so much. And actually what business is it for us to look at people's coin history anyway - leaving the Jambler information out from the table removes the bias in the decision-making process and discourages thinking about taint, anyway.
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I asked something similar earlier in Jambler ANN on Btt. I got an answer that there are partners who do not want to be exposed on the Jambler partner page.
I can understand why they replied like that, but there must be some unofficial list of all mixers that are using Jambler.
If I remember correctly that new mixer Tengricrypto used Jambler also.
Look for the Jambler.io PGP fingerprint in the letter of guarantee, if it is present. This mixer uses Jambler.io even if it is not mentioned, as all mixing operations go through the Jambler API.
Thanks.
I will check that out.
AFAIK there is a list of them here: https://mixhub.to/
I know about this website since they appeared inbitcointalk forum, but it looks like it's outdated for a while.
Maybe best way to find this out is by doing what hugeblack.
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Danger: Do not trust random mixer lists found on Google search!
These websites usually contain a list of random old and new mixers, including mixers which have already been shut down, and also mixers which have ceased operations, so not only is there the potential for inconvenience at not finding the mixer you are looking for, there is a strong chance of going to a list loaded with phishing links.
One example of such a website is
elementalcrypto.com/reviews/best-bitcoin-tumbler/ [DO NOT CLICK]
This page is full of phishing links to mixers which will not actually mix your coins but will just scam you.
All links on BitMixList are vetted to make sure they are authentic, and we do not link to legally dubious mixers.
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Danger: Do not trust random mixer lists found on Google search!
So you are saying that we should only trust your list, Bitmixlist? ;D
Internet search of anything is always going to give false results and scams are advertised all the time, that is why I think crypto forums are important.
I am not getting many results about mixers from altcoinstalks forum, so maybe they need to hire someone to help them fix that.
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Danger: Do not trust random mixer lists found on Google search!
So you are saying that we should only trust your list, Bitmixlist? ;D
Many of these lists are automatically generated, and very often they are outdated representing mixers that are a thing of the past. Updating such lists is the most important part of the job, and as far as we can see, there have been a lot of changes lately.
Also, most of those lists were adequate at the beginning with correct links. Some of them eventually turn into scams or phishing, because there is probably more profit that way than the regular way.
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Danger: Do not trust random mixer lists found on Google search!
So you are saying that we should only trust your list, Bitmixlist? ;D
The only other list I know of which is (was?) up-to-date and also uses only real links is the mixhub.to website. But the author made it very clear that it is his personal project only.
Still there are many lists out there that include Chipmixer, Sinbad, and Whirlwind.money.
I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.
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AFAIK there is a list of them here: https://mixhub.to/
Mixhub website appears to be down also, including their clearnet and onion version website.
I don't know exact date wen they shut it down and if this is connected in any way with recent events of several mixers gone missing.
Has anyone archived their website by any chance?
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AFAIK there is a list of them here: https://mixhub.to/
Mixhub website appears to be down also, including their clearnet and onion version website.
I don't know exact date wen they shut it down and if this is connected in any way with recent events of several mixers gone missing.
The Feds are not going to be going after mixer directories - for that to happen they would also have to seize this forum and the one on Bitcointalk too.
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The Feds are not going to be going after mixer directories - for that to happen they would also have to seize this forum and the one on Bitcointalk too.
Someone is really scared about this possibility... so much that guy who created this mixhub.to website just deleted all posts from self-moderated topic he created.
I wouldn't be surprised if he deletes all his posts in bitcointak forum soon and asks theymos to ban his account.
Paranoia 101 :o
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I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.
It seems to me that in order to clarify (at least temporarily) they should simply be marked as non-working.
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I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.
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I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.
It seems to me that in order to clarify (at least temporarily) they should simply be marked as non-working.
I agree. There are no scam accusations or opportunities for scams here because both sites are offline. Looking at their past reputation and reliability, they don't need to be removed. The information that they are offline is quite enough.
I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.
I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.
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I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.
It seems to me that in order to clarify (at least temporarily) they should simply be marked as non-working.
I agree. There are no scam accusations or opportunities for scams here because both sites are offline. Looking at their past reputation and reliability, they don't need to be removed. The information that they are offline is quite enough.
I am not sure about this. We have not heard from either representative and currently do not even know if they will even come back.
I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.
I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.
This is becoming a bit of a non-issue as the sites with referral links happen to be the ones who are/have shut down. The Jambler family of mixers don't have direct affiliate programs.
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I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.
So what? ::)
There is no rule anywhere that is not allowing me to add million ref links on my own website, so this is really silly coming from you.
It's not like you are going to get infected with malware if you click something that is using ref links, and he needs to maintain payments for server, hosting, etc.
And you can even add any ref links directly in forum signature, so they are technically in forum.
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I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.
I did not suggest removing them, but putting an option for ref links if you want to support the service.
So what? ::)
There is no rule anywhere that is not allowing me to add million ref links on my own website, so this is really silly coming from you.
I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.
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I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.
You are right about this. But that's how it is in the affiliate business, those links that can bring profit to the blog owner are always highlighted first. It is logical to expect some kind of reward for the effort or at least possibly cover the costs.
Given that arriving directly or via a referral link does not change anything for the visitor, I do not see a particular problem with that.
For example, Bestchange is designed exclusively for this way of profit, and only services that have an affiliate/partner program can be included in their monitoring. It is their only source of income. (No sponsors, ads or anything similar)
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I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.
The site has to be financially sustaining somehow, as the servers aren't going to pay for themselves.
Besides, before, the sites used to be in an alphabetical order. All of the sites on the website are indeed privacy services.
I actually think that adding two kinds of links would be more a burden than a benefit. If you don;t like the referral link then just remove it from the URL.
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I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.
Have you ever donated to this service, since you value privacy so much? ::)
I don't think so, but you are big on words and criticism, and you clearly have no idea what it takes to operate any website that was attacked by multiple DDOS attacks...
Blaming someone with statement that ref links are not allowed in forum feels like someone is trying to snitch to admin for something that is clearly allowed :P
This reminds me a lot on something that happened in bitcointalk forum not long ago...
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I actually think that adding two kinds of links would be more a burden than a benefit. If you don;t like the referral link then just remove it from the URL.
Yes, adding two different links might be burdensome but you could have a disclaimer about the links are referral links. However, that's not needed but if added then I think it won't impact the site in anyway.