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Further Discussions => Reputation, Scams & Phishing => Topic started by: Don Pedro Dinero on January 20, 2024, 10:41:27 AM
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So, there is an scam attempt of which everyone should be forewarned.
Mine BTC daily 8% free passive income (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315813.0)
There are several of us who have commented in this thread that it is a clear scam attempt, because of the high return offered, the bonuses and the MLM system. I am new to this forum and I just found out that this is the right section to report this.
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Thank you very much for letting us know @Don Pedro Dinero. What was offered in that thread was a very clear scam. You are right, as are the users who have posted in that thread. I deleted the thread and will talk to the other mods to see what we do about the OP.
+ karma :D
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8% in dollars per day is a scam, let alone Bitcoin. Even 8% per month does not seem logical compared to interest rates.
Thank you very much for letting us know @Don Pedro Dinero. What was offered in that thread was a very clear scam. You are right, as are the users who have posted in that thread. I deleted the thread and will talk to the other mods to see what we do about the OP.
+ karma :D
How can the community help? Frankly, I have not yet understood the trust system here. Can I give them negative trust, or can only trusted accounts do that?
In bitcointalk there were trust flags[1], so is there something similar here?
[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156835.0
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How can the community help?
Informing moderators so they can take the necessary action. BTT doesn't allow moderators to moderate the scam, AltcoinsTalks lets moderators to do that. So the best solution is moderating if it is possible.
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How can the community help? Frankly, I have not yet understood the trust system here. Can I give them negative trust, or can only trusted accounts do that?
In bitcointalk there were trust flags[1], so is there something similar here?
[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156835.0
As @Jokers says, you can report it to the moderators, we will take the necessary measures deleting the post and we will penalize the user among other things. Additionally, another thing you can also do is give negative karma to the user who posts the scam. That way you will help us (the forum in general) and you will also earn karma.
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I can categorically tell all of us that, this days, any thing that has to do with Bitcoin, or any other cryptocurrency cloud mining, has a 99.99 percent of being a scam, and this simply means that, if you are the type of person that does try such mining platform, then you probably have been scammed over and over and over again, and if you haven't, then watch out closely, your next attempt may likely be a scam.
What am I saying in essence? It's simple, avoid cloud mining, for personally, I've come to believe that every one of them is a scam, even when they are paying, they still a scam waiting to happen.
I myself do not engage in such things as cloud mining, even if their ROI is as low as it can get for me to be convinced of their legitimacy, I still believe it's a lie and a scam.
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So, there is an scam attempt of which everyone should be forewarned.
Mine BTC daily 8% free passive income (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315813.0)
There are several of us who have commented in this thread that it is a clear scam attempt, because of the high return offered, the bonuses and the MLM system. I am new to this forum and I just found out that this is the right section to report this.
When it is good to be true then it is surely a scam because who will offer that huge amount in daily basis when legit project cannot assure us even 1% daily income .
that is for this community to understand because we have been warned in our other home about these type of posts/thread and yes we will never fall in their strategy.
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I have seen hundreds of cloud mining scams and this is one of them, on the other forum usually newbies are the ones creating threads on this scam cloud mining platform, it is sore to the eyes if a high-rank member creates an offer like this, as high-rank members of this forum, we should know better, new members of this forum might think that its because it has been promoted by high-rank members they think it's legit.
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That is purely a scam site and it is only newbies that just coming to cryptocurrency and thinking that cryptocurrency is a get quick rich investment scheme would fall for that trap with juicy bonuses. But for those of us who are middle age men in the system will never fall again. Op that for quick notification and warning. I think because of your attack there he locked the thread.
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That is purely a scam site and it is only newbies that just coming to cryptocurrency and thinking that cryptocurrency is a get quick rich investment scheme would fall for that trap with juicy bonuses. But for those of us who are middle age men in the system will never fall again. Op that for quick notification and warning. I think because of your attack there he locked the thread.
As simple as you think it is or as obvious as a scam it is you will still be surprised that many people still fall for it. An investment that promises 8% return daily is an obvious scam. Monthly 8% return is not even feasible according to economics because it is at the high side. But then because of the greed and they get rich quick mindset that has engulfed the cryptocurrency industry, some gullible newbies will see it as an opportunity to turn overnight millionaires.
I always like it when scam attends are being reported no matter how cheap you think that the strategy of the scammer is that is always someone somewhere who is ready to fall for the scam.
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I have seen hundreds of cloud mining scams and this is one of them, on the other forum usually newbies are the ones creating threads on this scam cloud mining platform, it is sore to the eyes if a high-rank member creates an offer like this, as high-rank members of this forum, we should know better, new members of this forum might think that its because it has been promoted by high-rank members they think it's legit.
I don't think a high rank account on this forum would do something like that. That is, it would be possible for someone to do it, but the consequences would be catastrophic for that user since their account would probably be blocked and their negative karma would be very high. To publish scams like the one we are talking about here, scammers prefer to use new accounts because they know that they will be quickly blocked without the possibility of correcting their actions.
As soon as someone sees posts that clearly demonstrate that it is a scam, it is best to report it immediately so that the moderators can remove it quickly, that way new users would not fall for the scam.
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As soon as someone sees posts that clearly demonstrate that it is a scam, it is best to report it immediately so that the moderators can remove it quickly, that way new users would not fall for the scam.
So scams are moderated here. I never quite understood why they are not moderated in BTT, I don't know if it's because of a supposed respect for freedom or something, but in principle it seems more sensible to me that they are moderated, and even more so when it's a clear case of scams, as in this case because of the high daily return.
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So scams are moderated here. I never quite understood why they are not moderated in BTT, I don't know if it's because of a supposed respect for freedom or something, but in principle it seems more sensible to me that they are moderated, and even more so when it's a clear case of scams, as in this case because of the high daily return.
It is not so obvious as it can seem. They on BTT mainly don't want to give a moderator too much power to decide what is scam, many scam projects do not look so obviously scammy at the beginning. And then when if will reveal some can blame moderators and forum that they were not fast enough. So when a user is aware that everything can be a scam, he is expected to be more cautious. So each way has its advantages and disadvantages. We try to moderate obvious scam, but still no strict guarantees anyway.
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So scams are moderated here. I never quite understood why they are not moderated in BTT, I don't know if it's because of a supposed respect for freedom or something, but in principle it seems more sensible to me that they are moderated, and even more so when it's a clear case of scams, as in this case because of the high daily return.
It is possible from what @Jokers says. But the truth is that in the years that I have been in BTT I have never seen any type of moderation regarding scams. Even the clearest and most blatant cases were ignored by the moderators, it's something I never understood. I don't know if things have changed now in BTT, but at least some kind of follow-up of cases that raise some suspicion would be positive for the forum and for less experienced users.
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That is purely a scam site and it is only newbies that just coming to cryptocurrency and thinking that cryptocurrency is a get quick rich investment scheme would fall for that trap with juicy bonuses. But for those of us who are middle age men in the system will never fall again. Op that for quick notification and warning. I think because of your attack there he locked the thread.
Some people look at all of this from a very wrong perspective; they think anything they see online that has to do with crypto currency is a means to get a large profit from it, and they go in without even thinking of the danger that it might come with.
Even some people who are old in the crypto space most times don't understand the crypto language; all they do is buy coin and hold, and they don't know that you can't mine and earn bitcoin or other currency by just registering and depositing money into a platform, and things that offer more than 1-3% per year are likely to be scams and should be avoided.
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I don't know if things have changed now in BTT, but at least some kind of follow-up of cases that raise some suspicion would be positive for the forum and for less experienced users.
No, you will not get banned for a scam!
It has been like that since the removal of the scammer tag and it will probably not change ever!
Also, for the reasons, a tiny difference, the time when each forum started, a lot of things at that time so prior 2013 madness where different, you didn't have these kind of scams as we do now and most of them were mainly because of deals between two persons so at one point theymos got bored of the staff team playing the judge and left everyone doing the judging for himself.
What will instantly get you banned on BTT is phishing links, malware and referral spam!
In its defense, there were a few cases that got tagged by a dozen accounts as a scammer and paid back the sum, or some that prove to not be actually a scammer and falsely accused, so to draw far fetch parallels , think of it much like the detach sentence in our real life world system.
Of course it fails terrible as users get tricked even by a guy who has three scams accusations on his profile, but..it is what it is.
I don't think a high rank account on this forum would do something like that. That is, it would be possible for someone to do it, but the consequences would be catastrophic for that user since their account would probably be blocked and their negative karma would be very high.
Yeah, another difference, nobody from the mod team will bother there if a high rank user has changed hands, before the merit system you could simply buy cheap farmed accounts, there were farms with more than 100 of them, all it takes was a bot posting every two weeks once and that's it.
And I don't think I've ever seen a discussion of IP logs other than when it involved serious threats to one's safety!
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No, you will not get banned for a scam!
It has been like that since the removal of the scammer tag and it will probably not change ever!
Also, for the reasons, a tiny difference, the time when each forum started, a lot of things at that time so prior 2013 madness where different, you didn't have these kind of scams as we do now and most of them were mainly because of deals between two persons so at one point theymos got bored of the staff team playing the judge and left everyone doing the judging for himself.
What will instantly get you banned on BTT is phishing links, malware and referral spam!
In its defense, there were a few cases that got tagged by a dozen accounts as a scammer and paid back the sum, or some that prove to not be actually a scammer and falsely accused, so to draw far fetch parallels , think of it much like the detach sentence in our real life world system.
Of course it fails terrible as users get tricked even by a guy who has three scams accusations on his profile, but..it is what it is.
Yeah, another difference, nobody from the mod team will bother there if a high rank user has changed hands, before the merit system you could simply buy cheap farmed accounts, there were farms with more than 100 of them, all it takes was a bot posting every two weeks once and that's it.
And I don't think I've ever seen a discussion of IP logs other than when it involved serious threats to one's safety!
I think letting moderators act according to their free choice is a mistake. Each moderator should have their own criteria and, to some extent, their own way of applying the forum rules, but there should always be a minimum basis on which to base it, but always within some general lines. I believe that freedom of decision should not be applied in these cases.
As for the bans... I prefer not to talk, since I know that many users have been banned without any reason or justification, I also know that when someone who has not violated the rules has asked what happened, they have been completely ignored, which I think is a shame and a very wrong way to use the power that a moderator has.
There are many ways to do things, and sometimes doing them transparently and well, costs much less than acting quickly and senselessly.
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As soon as someone sees posts that clearly demonstrate that it is a scam, it is best to report it immediately so that the moderators can remove it quickly, that way new users would not fall for the scam.
So scams are moderated here. I never quite understood why they are not moderated in BTT, I don't know if it's because of a supposed respect for freedom or something, but in principle it seems more sensible to me that they are moderated, and even more so when it's a clear case of scams, as in this case because of the high daily return.
Not sure if BTT does not have same feature mate because if I am not mistaken YOBIT signature campaign and the Signature itself are being banned in Bitcointalk as they are being called as scam.
so I think if we report and provide valid arguments about each site being scams then BTT will act on it , correct me if I am wrong of course .
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Not sure if BTT does not have same feature mate because if I am not mistaken YOBIT signature campaign and the Signature itself are being banned in Bitcointalk as they are being called as scam.
so I think if we report and provide valid arguments about each site being scams then BTT will act on it , correct me if I am wrong of course .
I don't know if BTT would act on this, in fact they have had many years to do so and have done nothing about it. I think the problem is that when people do things one way for many years, it is difficult to change their habits, although in reality the topic we are talking about is serious, and it is an example of how the administration and the moderators not only care of the forum content, but they also care about the users, that are the basis of any community, but everyone sets the rules in their house.
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Not sure if BTT does not have same feature mate because if I am not mistaken YOBIT signature campaign and the Signature itself are being banned in Bitcointalk as they are being called as scam.
No, that wasn't the case.
Theymos wiped yobit signatures because of the out of control spam, he did it because the reports and handed an extra punishment to everyone caring the signature that had multiple reports on his posting habits, but later let a new campaign under a manager to run, and yahoo was in charge of it. Again, scam accusations won't get you banned and that's it!
Anyhow, I doubt we should replicate things from there here, that is one reason I've stayed out of all the reorganization and topic movement all all that, both forum have taken a different path and should stay different, so bringing up stuff from BTT here won't do any good.
and it is an example of how the administration and the moderators not only care of the forum content, but they also care about the users, that are the basis of any community, but everyone sets the rules in their house.
Theymos is a libertarian, not hardcore one but still up there on the scale, so you can see the conundrum in policing a community.
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No, that wasn't the case.
Theymos wiped yobit signatures because of the out of control spam, he did it because the reports and handed an extra punishment to everyone caring the signature that had multiple reports on his posting habits, but later let a new campaign under a manager to run, and yahoo was in charge of it. Again, scam accusations won't get you banned and that's it!
Anyhow, I doubt we should replicate things from there here, that is one reason I've stayed out of all the reorganization and topic movement all all that, both forum have taken a different path and should stay different, so bringing up stuff from BTT here won't do any good.
and it is an example of how the administration and the moderators not only care of the forum content, but they also care about the users, that are the basis of any community, but everyone sets the rules in their house.
Theymos is a libertarian, not hardcore one but still up there on the scale, so you can see the conundrum in policing a community.
I guess that's one way of looking at things. But if I invite someone to my house, I wouldn't want any neighbors in the neighborhood to try to scam them while they are inside my house. I'm the one who has to worry about them being in a safe environment, that's why I said in my previous post that everyone sets the rules in their own house. The biggest victims of all this are newbies, those who read little and quickly decide that they just want to make money, without paying attention to what they do and where they do it. There are more newbies every day due to the popularity of cryptocurrencies and unfortunately they are potential targets for scammers.
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I guess that's one way of looking at things. But if I invite someone to my house, I wouldn't want any neighbors in the neighborhood to try to scam them while they are inside my house.
That's the thing in this libertarian no policing approach.
You from the start acknowledge that everyone should be able to make a decision on its own (your guest not falling for a scam, and second your guest not coming to your house knowing you won't care about their experience in dealing with other guest).
More like a laissez-faire method, not that I approve of it!
There are more newbies every day due to the popularity of cryptocurrencies and unfortunately they are potential targets for scammers.
Look at the bright side, the amount of newbies that will be scammed just because they are newbies is probably hitting lowest levels ever.
I've seen it lately quite frequently, the ones still getting scammed aren't so because of their lack of knowledge but because of greed, and you won't get rid of that and on the amount of risk takers that will not even trust your serious proofs. I mean common, there have been thousands of Ponzi schemes, it's been a century since Charles patented this and you still have people falling for it.