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Title: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: TomPluz on April 09, 2024, 01:11:29 PM
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After Sam Bankman-Fried was sentenced to nearly a quarter-century behind bars for his involvement in financial wrongdoings, Caroline Ellison, Gary Wang, Ryan Salame, and Nishad Singh are up next to face consequences for their roles in the FTX debacle.

Post-conviction by a jury and subsequent sentencing by Judge Lewis Kaplan, FTX’s founder Sam Bankman-Fried is bracing for a prison term nearing 25 years. His former associates are now poised to confront their own sentencing phases. Despite some of them having cooperated with authorities, it doesn’t exempt them from potential incarceration. Ryan Salame, previously co-CEO of FTX Digital Markets, is slated to appear before Kaplan on May 1.


Read more of this development here! (https://news.bitcoin.com/after-sam-bankman-frieds-sentencing-spotlight-turns-to-former-ftx-associates/)

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What do you think about the co-conspirators in the FTX debacle?  What are the many lessons we can gain from this development and do you think things that happened with FTX, Sam and his minions will have a strong impact on the cryptocurrency industry as a whole?









Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Lucius on April 09, 2024, 03:46:46 PM
Those who cooperated with the authorities will receive very little or no punishment, because this is probably part of the settlement that included placing most of the blame on their boss. I would not be surprised if all of them together receive a total sentence of less than 25 years, given that they will be sentenced by the same judge who, for me personally, has absolutely no sense of justly punishing criminals.

The lesson that the majority will certainly not learn is that people like Bankman should not be trusted, which means that it is only a matter of time before a similar story will be repeated with some other actors.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: bitbit97 on April 09, 2024, 03:58:49 PM
I can say only one thing - FTX was a large corporation. Lots of employees with different level or responsibility. But right now only one person get a real punishment. Fair would not be right word to describe whole situation, but SBF was definitely not the only person who took all decisions and accepted proposals of money management. I am sure that there must be other employees that had careless attitude towards work and clients money.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Kemarit on April 09, 2024, 04:37:37 PM
Those who cooperated with the authorities will receive very little or no punishment, because this is probably part of the settlement that included placing most of the blame on their boss. I would not be surprised if all of them together receive a total sentence of less than 25 years, given that they will be sentenced by the same judge who, for me personally, has absolutely no sense of justly punishing criminals.

The lesson that the majority will certainly not learn is that people like Bankman should not be trusted, which means that it is only a matter of time before a similar story will be repeated with some other actors.

Yes, this likely will be the sentencing here, I reckon it will be 10 years to 15 years to those who have cooperated or at least be the star witnessed against SBF.

And their judges could have work lighter sentencing even before the start of trial that's why the 4 of them really pin point all the blame to SBF and picture him as like controlling everything from the start and knows what he is entering. Still though, they won't get away from it and they have to suffer jail time, albeit less than SBF.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Captain Corporate on April 09, 2024, 05:27:58 PM
I mean that only makes sense, not like Sam was the only one who was aware of what they were doing, so its really not a shocker that they would do something like this. I feel like the best thing to do in this case would be just making sure that we are dealing with a better future. I hope to see the situation changing, and all these people end up being jailed as well. They do not deserve to be jailed as high as Sam, of course he gets the lion share, but I think they should be getting at least "something" from this, like maybe 5-10 years range depending on their position and how much they were aware of what was going on.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Stompix on April 09, 2024, 05:32:57 PM
Two of them might get away easily
Caroline because she was smart if you can call it that and basically archived everything and took memos of all the things they instructed her to do so she could claim she just followed orders also because of that her plea included returning all the money she has ever received from FTX.
Nishad Singh because despite 5 cases he is charged only with involvement in said conspiracy and there is no proof of any material gain outside his normal payments from this scheme.

Gary Wang might be the one that will get the worse was things stand since he just pleaded guilty and never actually collaborated on any revealing information, just confirations of already demonstrated facts by the other two.

That's how things should go, but anything can change.

I'm more interested din the financial punishment they will receive than the sentence, SBF got 10 billions, I wonder what sums if any these 3 will get!



Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: yhiaali3 on April 09, 2024, 09:59:12 PM
My opinion is that the SBF’s co-conspirators should meet the same fate in prison, because it is certain that the SBF is not alone responsible for this disaster. These partners played different, albeit lesser, roles, but they are partners and must receive the appropriate punishment for each of them.

As for the impact of the FTX incident on the market, I believe, in my opinion, that the worst impact has already occurred, but the market was able to overcome it, thank God, but there must remain negative effects, even if they are mild, on the market, which may last several years before they are completely eliminated.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Jating on April 09, 2024, 11:13:04 PM
My opinion is that the SBF’s co-conspirators should meet the same fate in prison, because it is certain that the SBF is not alone responsible for this disaster. These partners played different, albeit lesser, roles, but they are partners and must receive the appropriate punishment for each of them.

As for the impact of the FTX incident on the market, I believe, in my opinion, that the worst impact has already occurred, but the market was able to overcome it, thank God, but there must remain negative effects, even if they are mild, on the market, which may last several years before they are completely eliminated.
Yes but just like any normal criminals, if everyone is caught, some of them or in this case all of them become a turncoat and that's why SBF got what he deserved. So this people will get less jail sentence and it will only be SBF who will take the weight of the crimes. Maybe for some specially for the victims, every one is guilty as co-conspirators and meet the same fate by SBF, but in US justice system, it's very different, lawyer can play and bargain a lot even if the side is guilty by turning this criminals against each other and leaks everything they know against SBF in this case.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: yhiaali3 on April 10, 2024, 01:12:41 AM
but in US justice system, it's very different, lawyer can play and bargain a lot even if the side is guilty by turning this criminals against each other and leaks everything they know against SBF in this case.
Yes, you are correct. This is a very possible possibility, and the opposite could also happen, meaning that the SBF could inform his comrades, provide all the information that the investigation committee needs, and obtain a reduction in the prison term.

I saw a similar story in an American movie based on a real story in the world of cryptocurrencies of a fraudulent cryptocurrency company called Cetra, where the main fraudster in the case snitched on his colleagues and got a reduced sentence even though he was the main fraudster and the owner of the entire scam project.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Crwth on April 10, 2024, 01:40:02 AM
Having these types of news would certainly positively impact the whole cryptocurrency scene knowing that the bad actors have been pushed behind bars and hopefully the scammers are scared and won't scam anymore. I do hope that no one rises to the top like they did and scam a lot of people.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: LogitechMouse on April 10, 2024, 06:00:52 AM
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What do you think about the co-conspirators in the FTX debacle?  What are the many lessons we can gain from this development and do you think things that happened with FTX, Sam and his minions will have a strong impact on the cryptocurrency industry as a whole?
All of them ruined many people's lives, so they must face the consequences as well like what Scam Bankrupt-Fraud.
I believe SBF's girlfriend, Caroline Ellison already knew that she would go to jail because of what happened. I can't remember when, but I think she already said it on an interview that she's ready if in case it will happen.

Anyway, it's America and in America, anything can happen like in crypto. We might see some decisions we aren't expecting. We might see people that are related to the FTX fiasco not getting jailed for some reasons. Heck we might see SBF not serving the whole 25 years for some reasons. I guess let's not keep our hopes that high that these associates will get jailed... or at least all of them.

Whatever happens, what's important for me is for those investors who lost their money because of this to get paid.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: ABCbits on April 10, 2024, 11:14:34 AM
After seeing SBF only receive 25 years jail time, i don't expect those associates would receive long jail time (more than 10 years).

I'm more interested din the financial punishment they will receive than the sentence, SBF got 10 billions, I wonder what sums if any these 3 will get!

I'm also curious about that. But isn't $10 billion refer to total victim loss (rather than fine)?
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Stompix on April 10, 2024, 01:12:06 PM
I'm more interested din the financial punishment they will receive than the sentence, SBF got 10 billions, I wonder what sums if any these 3 will get!

I'm also curious about that. But isn't $10 billion refer to total victim loss (rather than fine)?

They mashed together everything FTX ever received:

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They said $8 billion represents how much Bankman-Fried made from “wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud on FTX’s customers, and the property involved in his conspiracy to launder the proceeds.” Another $1.72 billion represents the amount FTX raised from investors on false pretenses, and $1.3 billion accounts for the money that Bankman-Fried’s cryptocurrency trading firm owed lenders, prosecutors said.

So basically unless he pays 11 (my bad not 10) billion somehow, which he obviously has no chance of doing so he will leave with this forfeiture order for the rest of his life. Of course, they won't go after him if he makes the minimum living expense wage but any property under hisname unless is a card box will get seized.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Lucius on April 10, 2024, 03:51:53 PM
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So basically unless he pays 11 (my bad not 10) billion somehow, which he obviously has no chance of doing so he will leave with this forfeiture order for the rest of his life. Of course, they won't go after him if he makes the minimum living expense wage but any property under hisname unless is a card box will get seized.


Maybe it's another punishment that will follow him for the rest of his life, unless by some miracle he starts a new company after he gets out of prison and tries to repay the debt that way. Or maybe I just think that everyone should pay their debts, while on the other hand there are people who avoid it at all costs.

Still, for consolation, even when he gets out of prison he won't be poor, because he will inherit something from his parents - I'm just wondering if inheritance has anything to do with debt? If, say, he inherits a house worth $2 million, will the authorities take the house from him or not?
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Gurujebs on April 10, 2024, 04:01:23 PM
What do you think about the co-conspirators in the FTX debacle?  What are the many lessons we can gain from this development and do you think things that happened with FTX, Sam and his minions will have a strong impact on the cryptocurrency industry as a whole?

I want to know where Carolina went to and why the law protected her despite been responsible for FTX funds, they made her testify against SBF and went hidden, could it be what I'm thinking? Could it be that she was use to make SBF go to prison and was promise light sentence or even walk away? There is no way that woman should be allow to go scot free including some other team members. Some funds were stolen through the back door from the exchange when FTX was announced not liquid, somebody must be responsible for that and should be brought to justice.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Z-tight on April 10, 2024, 10:50:13 PM
do you think things that happened with FTX, Sam and his minions will have a strong impact on the cryptocurrency industry as a whole?
It already had whatever impact it did when the exchange collapsed in 2022, the setencing, both of Sam and his former associates will have no impact on the crypto industry. Though the sentencing is a deterrent to others running their cypto service in the same way and the whole case is another reason for people to store their funds only in their self custody.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: ABCbits on April 11, 2024, 12:45:13 PM
So basically unless he pays 11 (my bad not 10) billion somehow, which he obviously has no chance of doing so he will leave with this forfeiture order for the rest of his life. Of course, they won't go after him if he makes the minimum living expense wage but any property under hisname unless is a card box will get seized.

I see. Anyway, their parent claim they'll continue fight for Sam, so who knows if they also willing to help him paying FTX's victim.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Stompix on April 11, 2024, 04:21:40 PM
~snip~

Still, for consolation, even when he gets out of prison he won't be poor, because he will inherit something from his parents - I'm just wondering if inheritance has anything to do with debt? If, say, he inherits a house worth $2 million, will the authorities take the house from him or not?

Forfeitures in this case will be case by case, it depends a lot on the value of the said house and his means of making a living.
Now, you probably know that in the US 2 million houses is nothing special, in the suburbs of major cities that won't get you more than 300sqm and 4 rooms so probably the judge will let him inherit something like that but anything more expensive like his 4 million home (valued at that back in 2022) in Palo Alto he might get from his parents will probably get seized, his 40 million penthouse in Bahamas? No chance! It's all ready for auction!

As for other assets like cash, shares anything in his inheritance they will be seized.
You know the running joke that the scariest of all three letter agencies is not the CIA,NSA or FBI, it's the IRS!  ;D

I see. Anyway, their parent claim they'll continue fight for Sam, so who knows if they also willing to help him paying FTX's victim.

They don't have a chance of paying that back, that's the thing the US is good at when they deal with financial punitive measures, just like when they hand someone 161 life sentences, they pretty much know from the start they won't be able to pay up those 11 billion.


Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Gurujebs on April 11, 2024, 09:10:45 PM
It already had whatever impact it did when the exchange collapsed in 2022, the setencing, both of Sam and his former associates will have no impact on the crypto industry. Though the sentencing is a deterrent to others running their cypto service in the same way and the whole case is another reason for people to store their funds only in their self custody.

The impact is not yet over because FTX is the reason why we are where we are today. There is no trust in altcoins anymore. Investors don't want to invest heavily again and they don't trust new projects anymore. This impact will clear after some times but I'm not sure entirely if that can be erase totally in this bullrun  because some people never get back their money from FTX.

When Mt. Gox made people a victim, we didn't have a blast in the crypto market not until the last one and Sam and his associates ruin everything with their scam and imagine if Mt.gox has not reimburse their victims, only lord knows when FTX will pay his victims.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Z-tight on April 11, 2024, 09:41:58 PM
The impact is not yet over because FTX is the reason why we are where we are today. There is no trust in altcoins anymore. Investors don't want to invest heavily again and they don't trust new projects anymore.
If the collapse of ftx made people lose trust in altcoins and in new altcoin projects, then it is a good thing. So many people lose money when they buy shitcoins, so it is a good lesson, in addition to not storing funds in centralized exchanges.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: ScamViruS on April 11, 2024, 10:41:40 PM
The impact is not yet over because FTX is the reason why we are where we are today. There is no trust in altcoins anymore. Investors don't want to invest heavily again and they don't trust new projects anymore.
If the collapse of ftx made people lose trust in altcoins and in new altcoin projects, then it is a good thing. So many people lose money when they buy shitcoins, so it is a good lesson, in addition to not storing funds in centralized exchanges.
I think people have forgotten the lesson they learned from FTX collapse, people still keep their funds in centralized exchanges. If an exchange like Binance has problems for some reason, then we will see again how many people hold their funds on the exchange. But yes the interest of investors has decreased in altcoins, now many solid projects have come to the crypto market and are not performing well, due to lack of investors. Big investors are only looking at Bitcoin and top altcoins.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Lucius on April 12, 2024, 12:44:29 PM
~snip~
You know the running joke that the scariest of all three letter agencies is not the CIA,NSA or FBI, it's the IRS!  ;D


There is some truth in that, because when we look through history, it was this agency that eventually "judged" many big criminals, and that old saying says that in life you cannot escape from two things - the first is death, and the second is taxes. It seems that there is no statute of limitations on debts in the US (or maybe there is in some cases?), because in my case, if the tax office fails to collect your debt in 6 or 7 years (I'm not sure), that same debt no longer exists.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: robelneo on April 12, 2024, 02:58:31 PM
This is bound to happen, even if they have a bargaining agreement they should still get a prison sentence or a fine, but it will not be the same sentence as Sam's prison sentence.
It will be a shorter prison sentence just to satisfy the prosecutors and the victims it depends on the gravity of their sins.
But besides the prison sentence, they should get a huge fine, for enriching themselves by scamming people of their money, because if not this will send signal to scammers that they can still get away.
Title: Re: After Sam, Former FTX Associates Are Next
Post by: Stompix on April 12, 2024, 04:33:35 PM
~snip~
You know the running joke that the scariest of all three letter agencies is not the CIA,NSA or FBI, it's the IRS!  ;D


There is some truth in that, because when we look through history, it was this agency that eventually "judged" many big criminals, and that old saying says that in life you cannot escape from two things - the first is death, and the second is taxes. It seems that there is no statute of limitations on debts in the US (or maybe there is in some cases?), because in my case, if the tax office fails to collect your debt in 6 or 7 years (I'm not sure), that same debt no longer exists.

Things are going to change for sure even in your case.
And I'm pretty sure that even there the status of limitation is for the time till you get notified for a debt, so it counts only if the state fails to take you to court for unpaid debts, not after you have been sentenced to pay the sum. It does work for 5 years even here but only if for 5 years you have no contact from the bank, as long as they are able to send you a letter to notify you of the existence of your debt that will keep resetting the timer.

And if we go deeper, as I have a bailiff order and your recognized debt in a civil case all I have to do is notify your banks each year, and that debt will keep all your assets locked till you either pay or manage to file bankruptcy, which is SBF's case!
But, I'm 100% sure what happens in the US, that's why I mostly cited the guys in the articles, I mean lawyers would (should) know better.