Signature campaigns & forum earning discussion thread.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I would like to open another point of discussion here. How do you think converting karma into tokens can influence campaigns? If it is a metric that has been used so far to evaluate candidates, it should be less taken into account if at all. Because someone has a lot of karma they can convert it to tokens and become 0 karma.

I also see that my campaign manager notes in the spreadsheet the evolution of the karma we are earning weekly. I don't know if this will continue to make sense if people start exchanging their karma for tokens on a massive scale.

In my case, I don't think I'm going to do it, because I think it's going to be pennies.

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I would like to open another point of discussion here. How do you think converting karma into tokens can influence campaigns? If it is a metric that has been used so far to evaluate candidates, it should be less taken into account if at all. Because someone has a lot of karma they can convert it to tokens and become 0 karma.

I also see that my campaign manager notes in the spreadsheet the evolution of the karma we are earning weekly. I don't know if this will continue to make sense if people start exchanging their karma for tokens on a massive scale.

In my case, I don't think I'm going to do it, because I think it's going to be pennies.

I believe that you will roll your eyes when you see that I am replying to you   

I can't find the admin's post, but I read it somewhere and I think that there is no conversion of karma points into ALTT tokens anymore, but only activity points.
Take this with a grain of salt because I can't find a reference (I guess it's not from the chatbox) but I am quite convinced of it.

[yahoo62278]

I personally believe that users should want to help a service that has hired them. Apparently, users do not care who hired them though, only thing that they care about is getting paid.

Do I want to encourage spam in the announcement threads? No, I want to encourage engagement. I want to encourage users to actually visit the site and look around. I want users to say some negative or positive things about the company to help them improve.

Hired them? Do you consider signature participants to be employees of the business they advertising?
I think the general agreement was that signature spaces were being hired, not participants themselves. But this is crossing into a different territory.

I do understand your logic, but this is effectively paying for bumping ANN threads, which is ethically dubious to say the least.

And we all know that people posting negative things about the service (e.g. pointing out higher house edge than that of competitors or criticising lack of transparency in disclosing house edge) will probably not be welcomed by the service being advertised, so you'll likely end up with astroturfing.

I hear you guys, but need to try something new. If it looks shitty and non organic, then I can always remove the rule.

Fair enough. But I think if you have to force participants to post in ANN threads, it'll be non-organic by definition.

Not disputing your thoughts 1 bit. Normally I wouldn't even consider making a rule asking for a post in the announcement thread either, but when a campaign has ran for 3 weeks and has a total of 9 posts made in it during that 3 weeks....  It just showed me a I might consider couple different things, A. there is not enough traffic to bring campaigns to this forum and B. people just don't care to support the companies that might be renting their space.

I agree that people are renting their space and normally, if there is enough traffic or activity in the company thread, that users can just go posting like normal and have no worries. Honestly, when I barely see any activity in the gambling sections period, I wonder how to we keep gambling sites interested in advertising here?

I know making them make a post in the company thread isn't the answer. I'll likely remove the rule after this week, but hopefully it opens up some eyes. Hopefully it makes users think about how thery might be of more help not only to their wallets, but to the idea of signature campaigns. Noone interested in advertising, means no more money to be made, means people weren't doing what was needed IMO.

[Jokers]

I can't find the admin's post, but I read it somewhere and I think that there is no conversion of karma points into ALTT tokens anymore, but only activity points.
Take this with a grain of salt because I can't find a reference (I guess it's not from the chatbox) but I am quite convinced of it.

These things are not something eternal, there are many things on the forum which can change with time. Like rank requirements, time gap for giving karma, possibility of changing karma into forum tokens. This possibility first was revoked several years ago, then this year admin said that it likely will be available next withdrawal time. Don't think about it as about something absolute, just look at the rules when the next withdrawal time.

I don't know if this will continue to make sense if people start exchanging their karma for tokens on a massive scale.

If someone wishes to change their reputation into tokens, why shouldn't it still have sense? It's a personal choice and why others should give an opportunity for him both to get tokens for karma and to keep karma beneficial attitude?

Honestly, when I barely see any activity in the gambling sections period, I wonder how to we keep gambling sites interested in advertising here?

Yes, that's the point, we still need more activity and traffic. If we'll succeed, there will be more interested in advertising here, if not then no imitation of activity will work in the long prospective.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I can't find the admin's post, but I read it somewhere and I think that there is no conversion of karma points into ALTT tokens anymore, but only activity points.
Take this with a grain of salt because I can't find a reference (I guess it's not from the chatbox) but I am quite convinced of it.

Look, the thread is a bit confusing because the title says this:

Karma can no longer be converted into Tokens

So someone who looks at the 'forum related' section but doesn't enter the thread gets the idea from the title, however:

a switch back might be possible , still working on some issues.
but might allow karma to ALTT again

updated, rule valid again

I asked in the thread for the title to be changed, but the OP has not listened to me, at least so far.

If someone wishes to change their reputation into tokens, why shouldn't it still have sense?

I meant that it doesn't make sense that in that hypothetical case campaign managers would still use karma as a good metric to decide if you are a good poster or not, because you could be a great poster and have a 0 karma because you have converted.

[dkbit98]

I'll likely remove the rule after this week, but hopefully it opens up some eyes. Hopefully it makes users think about how thery might be of more help not only to their wallets, but to the idea of signature campaigns.

That is a move in good direction.
You can still be creative and have other rules that can ask from members to test and write reviews about service they are advertising in their signatures.
This is better for everyone and it would make members actually learn something more about specific service.

[pawel7777]

(...) but when a campaign has ran for 3 weeks and has a total of 9 posts made in it during that 3 weeks....  It just showed me a I might consider couple different things, A. there is not enough traffic to bring campaigns to this forum and B. people just don't care to support the companies that might be renting their space.

To be fair, activity in the ANN thread doesn't have to go in line with website traffic. Often times the most active gambling ANNs are casinos that are having some problems, i.e. delayed withdrawals, non-responsive customer service, rumours of site owner being dead  (see BitVest) etc.
If the site operates smoothly and doesn't have any contests/promos going on, it's quite normal that their ANN thread can get very quiet.

[Jokers]

If someone wishes to change their reputation into tokens, why shouldn't it still have sense?

I meant that it doesn't make sense that in that hypothetical case campaign managers would still use karma as a good metric to decide if you are a good poster or not, because you could be a great poster and have a 0 karma because you have converted.

Right, but isn't it the problem of the one who will decide to change his reputation into tokens?

There are many good posters on the forum and as for now there is no big shortage of them for the campaigns. And I guess most good posters will not change their karma (this process is not mandatory, it is a personal choice always), so campaign managers can ignore the problem of single ones who would like to change their reputation into tokens.

[bettercrypto]

I want to hear from other members what type of changes and improvements they want to see in altcoinstalks forum campaigns.

Everyone surely wants to see higher payment rates but please write anything else as your suggestions except payment.

Currently, the forum impressions are not as high as the other forum and I don't think we will see an increase in payment rates maybe after 2 or 3 months if we see many people joining here on the forum and get huge impressions we might see rates increase.
Don't forget altcoin season is coming I think after a few months or maybe next year but for now it's too vague to see payment rates increase soon unless they force people to make high-quality posts.

Maybe it's better that others don't think that the rate here in this forum is low, because the important thing that I see that the community members should focus on here on this platform is the quality discussion that can benefit many. the idea or knowledge that can be used even if we are outside of this field.

And it should not be compared as much as other communities in other platform forums because it has something that other platforms don't have. So for now, let's enjoy our discussions in this forum and do the right tasks that we have on this platform.

[pawel7777]

On bitcointalk, theymos has banned Jambler campaign yesterday (effective from April 22nd):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63941099#msg63941099
So there's a chance another campaign will be moved to this forum.

I think they had ~24 participants and were the highest-paying campaign.

[armanda90]

On bitcointalk, theymos has banned Jambler campaign yesterday (effective from April 22nd):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63941099#msg63941099
So there's a chance another campaign will be moved to this forum.

I think they had ~24 participants and were the highest-paying campaign.

Seems waiting will Jmbler moving their campaign to altcoinstalk forum? currently the had 24 active participants there with rate $4 per post, its mean get many participants in altcoinstalk forum has more lower rate than bitcointalk.
Currently Theymos have banned Jambler as final decision although in board mixer thread still discussing and some user of Jembler presented about Jambler is different than other mixer project.
Lets waiting the continues with Jambler and wish both side get good result and seems good if promote on both side btt and altcoinstalk.

[notblox1]

On bitcointalk, theymos has banned Jambler campaign yesterday (effective from April 22nd):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63941099#msg63941099
So there's a chance another campaign will be moved to this forum.

Many people are expecting to see higher payrates in Altcoinstalks forum campaigns and maybe Jambler will make that happen if they continue with their signature campaign here.

I think this stupid campaign manager war will continue until the last member is standing alive, or until everything is destroyed. 

[Jokers]

Many people are expecting to see higher payrates in Altcoinstalks forum campaigns and maybe Jambler will make that happen if they continue with their signature campaign here.

It's more likely that the payrates will depend on activity on the forum and its traffic for long time, more than on which campaign is starting here. Even if they want to get some certain posters purposefully the overall forum activity impacts a lot. So those who are still without a sig and who want to get some in the future still can try to make some positive contributions so that the projects wanted to start more campaigns here.

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It's more likely that the payrates will depend on activity on the forum and its traffic for long time, more than on which campaign is starting here. Even if they want to get some certain posters purposefully the overall forum activity impacts a lot. So those who are still without a sig and who want to get some in the future still can try to make some positive contributions so that the projects wanted to start more campaigns here.

More activity is needed on this forum. I mean the activity of several different users, not just a few.

Maybe managers can attract some users through (mostly gambling) contests similar to those on Btt. From this, small rather active communities are created, maybe they can be comfortable here too.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

It's more likely that the payrates will depend on activity on the forum and its traffic for long time, more than on which campaign is starting here. Even if they want to get some certain posters purposefully the overall forum activity impacts a lot. So those who are still without a sig and who want to get some in the future still can try to make some positive contributions so that the projects wanted to start more campaigns here.

Yes, well, but the way I see it, if that campaign were to come here and some of its members were to teleport too, it could only be positive for the forum, as they are generally members who write of a high quality. It would be another small step to further increase the quality and traffic, which can snowball, in a positive sense, and make more companies think about advertising here. So I think it would help to improve the overall performance of the forum, even if it's just one more boost.