Veil Spammers?

[dragononcrypto]

Unfortunately, due to time limitations, we are unable to check the exact context of every post made on this forum, so some spammers inevitably end up being rewarded.

To debunk this myth, this is an example of what happens when participants get banned from bitcointalk for spamming:



Not to mention you agreed to remove participants with negative karma, which hasn't happened, they are still spamming for stakes.



Assuming this is responding to Supremacy126 (-7K): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29617

As well as these original spammers...

Lektai (-7K): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=53067
Giletto (-2K): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=53065



If you simply had a signature campaign here to reward members of this forum as well then this wouldn't be an issue, but instead the newbies have made your project into a spam wagon. You are still more than welcome to run a signature campaign, the bounty section is here: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=22.0

[damsix]

Hallo Patrons, Moderator and Global Moderator .

Indeed, there are many new and old accounts that promote VEIL by SPAM and it is strictly forbidden at the altcoinstlaks forum.

But I also promote VEIL because I think with various considerations in the bounty group that I have that Veil is good to do, because it can compete with Monero and Zcash.

Then I also didn't make SPAM posts to promote VEIL and I also always made constructive posts with VEIL.

If I am wrong, please check my post and admonish me if I have an error with this problem.


Salaam Youtuber Indonesia

[dragononcrypto]

Then I also didn't make SPAM posts to promote VEIL and I also always made constructive posts with VEIL.

If I am wrong, please check my post and admonish me if I have an error with this problem.

For example here, titled Re: This is how bitcoin halving affects me. Note, this is about bitcoin halving. Your reply:

Ahha i like that!

Bitcoin does have a time to party and mourn.
If you party then you can eat with Pizza and if you grieve then you can eat with rice only. #efecthalving

But unlike the Veil project that continues to be developed from now on, maybe now Veil will be an enemy to Zcash and Monero.
https://veil-project.com/

If this isn't blatant off-topic advertising then I don't know what is. I'm now wondering if you're going to claim this post for the forum advertising bounty lol.

Edit: Wow, you just claimed it today as forum advertising. Thanks for reporting yourself, makes my life a lot easier.

Forum Advertising

Posts :

1 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=113005.msg678579#msg678579
2 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=110067.msg678577#msg678577
3 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=112135.msg677585#msg677585
4 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=110621.msg680477#msg680477
5 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=111549.msg679513#msg679513
6 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=62101.msg671957#msg671957
7 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=110201.msg675507#msg675507
8 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=110906.msg674471#msg674471
9 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=105692.msg672675#msg672675
10 https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=105692.msg671938#msg671938

Source: https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalkDOTorg/index.php?topic=5125073.msg50952214#msg50952214

[damsix]

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Okay Mod, I'm out of promoting Veil because this is very dangerous and violates the rules in the Altcoinstalks forum.

Thank you for the explanation and I appreciate that. Hopefully I can be accepted again in this forum and can improve myself.

Thanks Moderator. 


Salaam Youtuber Indonesia

[dragononcrypto]

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Okay Mod, I'm out of promoting Veil because this is very dangerous and violates the rules in the Altcoinstalks forum.

Thank you for the explanation and I appreciate that. Hopefully I can be accepted again in this forum and can improve myself.

Thanks Moderator. 


Salaam Youtuber Indonesia

Thank you for understanding, your karma has been returned.

[dentolas]

this is not about bounties or stakes, this is about posts being deleted and accusation of spamming without any possibility of discussion... you are deleting everything in spite of being spam or not, just because it belongs to a campaign outside this forum... it became forbidden to speak about Veil as it doesn't have a bounty here...

I don't remember but I think I first found out about Veil thru one of your posts. I did not see it as a spam post but educational. I also don't like what others have done especially the numerous new accounts who only came here to post about the project. However, this is no longer an issue about spamming I think. I don't think we are forbidden, as @dragon said in another thread, everyone is free to talk about it as long as it's not incentivised. Admin already made a stand about this matter. The decision might be tough but it is how it is.   

yes you did, you asked me why Veil was interesting and I explained...
Signatures are also paid
Jr. spartans operations are also paid

nothing more to say... just dissapointment

[dentolas]

this is not about bounties or stakes, this is about posts being deleted and accusation of spamming without any possibility of discussion... you are deleting everything in spite of being spam or not, just because it belongs to a campaign outside this forum... it became forbidden to speak about Veil as it doesn't have a bounty here...

I already made this clear, it is about getting stakes for explicit advertising. I'll say it again: you are free to talk about Veil as much as you like, as long as it's not an incentivised post to advertise the project. If you really care about the project, this wouldn't be a problem for you.

sorry, but you are being unfair and hipocrite
you own Jr. Spartans have a task that is "bitcointalk posts bump"
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=7848.0
this forum pays people to make fake posts and is condemning someone because makes genuine contributions and is paid for it...
check out those threads on btt and see if they are not spammy
Besides, on this forum you award points for posts that can later be converted into coins
so... please be honnest with this...

I already answered this, you're starting to spam your same point in other threads, which is ironic to say the least:

Yes Jr Spartans had a task a long time ago bumping ANN threads, but no it didn't involve "posts related to altcoinstalks", simply because it's an awful marketing strategy.

[...] However, this is no longer an issue about spamming I think. I don't think we are forbidden, as @dragon said in another thread, everyone is free to talk about it as long as it's not incentivised. [...]

It's true, this isn't just about spamming, it's about incentivised posts and what it incentivises. Nobody cares about the odd posts, but when dozens of users are posting everyday about the same project in every topic they can, it becomes extremely disruptive to the forum, like nothing I have ever seen here before. This is also about Veil bounty treating this forum like trash to advertise in.

It's not just here it's been a problem, I know bitcointalk have their issues with this bounty spam and I imagine other forums are struggling to cope with the spam also. It's literally exhausting moving all of it to IP forum at the moment. I already contacted the bounty manager about the worst spammers and was told they would be removed, instead they were given stakes and told to improve, and are still gaining stakes to this day.

If Veil cared about this forum, and were engaged with the community here, they would have a respectful signature campaign for our members to benefit from (like they do for bct members). All they need to do is allow act sigs as part of their bounty, or act sigs as part of forum advertising (without the spam). Instead they don't offer our members a bounty campaign, they instead subject us to their forum advertising. Yes, I mean subject.

just saw your replies on the other thread... will answer you there to avoid more unecessary quoting.
As the reference to my posts being moved, some of them are on the trash, other have been moved...

[dentolas]

Sorry man, you can ban me all you like or delete this post, but you are being unfair and hipocrite
you own Jr. Spartans have a task that is "bitcointalk posts bump"
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=7848.0
this forum pays people to make fake posts and is condemning someone because makes genuine contributions and is paid for it...
check out those threads on btt and see if they are not spammy
Besides, on this forum you award points for posts that can later be converted into coins
so... please be honnest with this...
I insist that this bounty is not much different from sig bounties

And concerning the "not fair to punish newbies for advertising  this project but allow higher ranking members to get away with it", no one mentioned ranking... just should punish the ones spamming... because spamming  is not the same as being paid for speaking about something... (otherwise I bet that a lot of articles wouldn't exist)

Look I'm sorry if I've pissed you off, this was never my intention. Believe it or not, I do value you and others contributions to the forum, I wouldn't be doing this for nothing if it weren't for the community that exists here.

No one is banning you or deleting your posts, please don't exaggerate. Your post was simply move to Incentivised Posting (where it belongs in my opinion). Yes Jr Spartans had a task a long time ago bumping ANN threads, but no it didn't involve "posts related to altcoinstalks", simply because it's an awful marketing strategy. You're more than welcome to bump the Veil ANN (even for stakes), which isn't even on the first page anymore(??), continue discussing Veil in multiple threads in Cryptocurrency Mining section, local boards, everywhere else etc. Unfortunately altcoins discussion board is a magnet for Veil spam in all and any threads it seems, so I move it.

Please don't try and compare this to signature campaigns, or the forum model as a whole, it's unrelated. Yes there is LOTS of spam from participants, but there is also lots of participants who are able to not spam. Bounties that requires "posts related to X" will always be spammy because "X" is is always advertised. It wasn't so long ago I was promoting DeepOnion and getting negative karma myself, for the same reason. This is why I recognize the damage it does in the long-term.

I know that a job like yours is not easy, and especially on a case like this... I am sorry if I was a bit rude on any occasion and if it  happened it was because I deem the situation as very unfair for me
Some of my posts were moved to the correct section, but other were deleted and placed on trash... you can check ...

Personally I see no issue on promoting something you really believe in and earn stakes for it... like Zed said I helped him to get to know about Veil and explained the reasons why I think it is a great project... now he is wearing the sig... it doesn't hurt the forum at all, it even contributes for quality posting and discussion.

I understand the difference between a sig campaign and this, but spammers will always be spammers, and people doing sig campaigns also spam in order to promote the project and get reward... we elegantly call it "post farming", as you know...
The campaign that is still on-going on the Jr. Spartans is even worse, as it encourages fake discussions on btt threads in order to keep the thread on top (threads related to alts supported projects)... and it is the same, users can do intelligent comments and engage on an interesting discussion or they can just spam - this spartan op especially mentions the BTT threads to be aimed at

the problem here is not the campaign, but the abuse that a lot of users made.

If you check my posts, I would be surprised if you consider any of them as spam. The only thread I've created considering this matter (privacy, not Veil) was insightfull and had some replies and is now on trash...

Like I've said, I love this forum and want to see it grow in size and quality, and I did nothing to damage it. I got dissapointed for my posts to be considered on this, not because ranks or such, but because I was promoting Veil like many people promote their favourite coins, like monero, or eth, or btc.... I have my reasons and I am sharing a good thing with the other users...

anyway, I think this should be overcome on a discussion with the Veil campaign manager (not tsujimura, but parodium). I've had a chat with him and he seems sensitive to this matter (he asked for a list of the worst offenders so that he can ban them, did you reply? in the middle of so many posts I never saw if you did)
a campaign like this would have to be held on a tight leach... (same as the spartans op - have you ever checked one of those threads? I did - I even participated and I confess that I regret it because it was impossible to have a discussion as most users were just spamming)
I've already suggested a veil signature campaign to be held here.... I'm waiting for their reply

Concerning the awarded stakes, the misunderstandings are growing... I've checked the sheet and those two got stakes for week 1, but their report includes posts in other forums, so probably these stakes were awarded for those other posts (as the links for the posts on alts became unaccessible - like mine)
look, I am not affiliated with them in any way, just like their work so far, also think that Veil is a potencial gem, and I think that the major issue here is lack of communication...

[ZionRTZ]

Just look at it this way, why did the manager created a campaign that focuses promoting Veil in forums other than Bitcointalk where they are running the bounty? That's because it is not allowed there. Their thread will be immediately deleted and participants might also get suspended.

Don't go against Altcoinstalks for taking a similar action, go against the bounty manager who thinks they can just come here and promote.

[dragononcrypto]

@admin, can we get more clarity on this?
I'm not sure mods have the same interpretation on this.

Your probably right, and as such admin has since clarified to mods to move shilling posts to IP section. Click here for more clarity incase admin doesn't respond here.

anyway, I think this should be overcome on a discussion with the Veil campaign manager (not tsujimura, but parodium). I've had a chat with him and he seems sensitive to this matter (he asked for a list of the worst offenders so that he can ban them, did you reply? in the middle of so many posts I never saw if you did)

Yes I've already provided the list and previously contacted parodium, as you can see from page 1 of this thread, and as you can see from my post above this didn't solve anything. Hence the worst participants are now being watched/moderated, other higher-ranking members have simply been officially warned.

I've already suggested a veil signature campaign to be held here.... I'm waiting for their reply

So have I, I have been waiting for a few weeks now but instead just get bombarded with spam in the meantime, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Just look at it this way, why did the manager created a campaign that focuses promoting Veil in forums other than Bitcointalk where they are running the bounty? That's because it is not allowed there. Their thread will be immediately deleted and participants might also get suspended.

Don't go against Altcoinstalks for taking a similar action, go against the bounty manager who thinks they can just come here and promote.

PS - I merged the posts from the other topic to avoid spamming in decentralized team forum / report IP thread.

[dentolas]

I see that there is no point in continuing this discussion...

You are wrong or being an hipocrite, this forum makes similar things:

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=7848.0

"
Task 1 - bitcointalk posts bump - 2x stakes - Modified
NO need for reporting, just post your username on btt and we'll track bumps

The objective is to bump each of the below posts ,
I will modify this post title and content to reflect changes:

Posts to bump will be listed here:
.....
1- Ask smart questions, not stupid bumps like up or something like that.
2- Do not refer to Altcoins in your post
3- Post your username below and the posts you bumped - by numbers
4- This action should be done 2-3 times daily / for each post
""

And you also have operators that act as trolls on the thread.....
and you pay people PER POST
Aren't you giving out a fake impression that the project has dynamic? and interested users? can't this decieve newbies....
And if you check the supported projects, most are not going nowhere....

And here you are, condemning people for posting about a project that is huge and bumping/advertising doubtfull projects

Just today I've received a warning ... my last posts were only on these "anti-veil" threads trying to clear the issue, so don't know exactly why

People don't care about this stuff, they just keep going because they have nice ranks and want to earn some money... so on one side we have the silent ones that don't care and will keep on writing "good luck, nice devs" posts to earn the signature reward, and on the other, the people that would like to be participating on veil bounty (that is open to everyone, I think)... a really small number really cares about the forum and in the end manages it like a small kingdom...
enjoy your forum!
good luck!

[dentolas]

And as I'm leaving I can say it again.... VEIL is a potential gem and people should check it out
VEIL and BEAM are the top contenders for this!!!
If people are holding bags of other coins or holding grudges because they are not participating, at least present some real arguments, on why Veil is not so promising......
Did you know that your balance is auditable, same as beam?
well, keep your forum clean, let the scammy projects keep around (twice now on bitschool and all for miner), and not to speak about the supposed sparta tokens that never arrived...
Collect a few users that bow down to royalty with no question because they want to keep their earnings here... and have a happy forum
cheers

[admin]

incentivized posting is bad for a small forum
we can easily find ourselves in a situation where everywhere users are posting about same project
on bct the situation might be less severe because their forum is much more active due to bigger number of users
but we should also remember that new users are important to our forum
thus there will be a 2 step solution:
1- users posting incentivized posts are required to post in the section for that:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=355.0
if not mods are asked to move their posts there.
2- New users over doing it, and not in the proper section, will have their posts moderated

[Zed0X]

.....
thus there will be a 2 step solution:
1- users posting incentivized posts are required to post in the section for that:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=355.0
if not mods are asked to move their posts there.
2- New users over doing it, and not in the proper section, will have their posts moderated

1. I'm assuming this solution applies to older members here. Does this mean that older forum members can freely discuss (on that section) those projects that promotes incentivized postings like Veil without the risk of getting -karma?

2. What does over doing really means? Is it all posts are related to Veil? If so, I think the same thing should be applied to older members whose posts per week consists mainly of Veil.

[Parodium]

Unfortunately, due to time limitations, we are unable to check the exact context of every post made on this forum, so some spammers inevitably end up being rewarded.

To debunk this myth, this is an example of what happens when participants get banned from bitcointalk for spamming:



Not to mention you agreed to remove participants with negative karma, which hasn't happened, they are still spamming for stakes.



Assuming this is responding to Supremacy126 (-7K): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29617

As well as these original spammers...

Lektai (-7K): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=53067
Giletto (-2K): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=53065



If you simply had a signature campaign here to reward members of this forum as well then this wouldn't be an issue, but instead the newbies have made your project into a spam wagon. You are still more than welcome to run a signature campaign, the bounty section is here: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=22.0

We don't control the entire activities of our participants.

Their goal as bounty hunters is to promote their project as best as they can, and we have limited time on our hands to look into the specifics of every participant. If they were banned for other reasons, it's of no concern to us, so long as they're doing their job.

Our assistant manager has been told to warn all altcointalk posters with negative karma that we will not be rewarding them for posting on this forum.

As for some of your more prestigious members, which have already taken to this thread to vent their frustrations, maybe you should consider the effects of producing a walled garden here on Altcointalks.

Over time the spam will slow down, it takes time to catch the rotten eggs.