Multi accounts (cheater)

[admin]

+1 @The Hunter I suggest you to create a new services to help campaign managers, as you can go to the speedsheet for any campaign, and if you find any two alt/multi accounts, you will get their earning for that week.

I also hope that @julerz12 @icopress will send these members' payments for this week to you.
Good job.
How long does it take before decisions are made in such cases? Are discussions about decision-making public, or is there a private group for discussions?

nice idea

[The Hunter]

Dear Honorable Judges,

I have come across new evidence pertinent to this case. There is a wealth of evidence available for consideration. I urge you to review this transaction for further insight

https://etherscan.io/address/0x4c19446c90ed06946142d4ac8989b5ec552e46f8

Transaction Hash: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x02136be8ba55eb23a52ace020ddb14ee30fd8adfd9b00db1d1e8ce20d2f208cc
0x710f260684Cf9E3f2aa1D5EAdE8BD3Dd5299249C (damsix) sent 0.027 ETH 0xde5dcE17AC6135E91BA473cF3E238C94bC29456F (IyemRoker )


Transaction Hash: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x806f7733a61b77216d0a54d5df376e9747234eac571b5d5d66d3d6ac367e2175
0xde5dcE17AC6135E91BA473cF3E238C94bC29456F (IyemRoker) sent 0.049 ETH 0x4C19446C90Ed06946142d4Ac8989b5Ec552e46f8 (masudginanjar)


Transaction Hash: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x806f7733a61b77216d0a54d5df376e9747234eac571b5d5d66d3d6ac367e2175
0x4C19446C90Ed06946142d4Ac8989b5Ec552e46f8 (masudginanjar) sent 0.036 ETH 0x1450327cD31117DaB5908552A1379F280cFAc7ba (jonathancool220)

Transaction Hash: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x806f7733a61b77216d0a54d5df376e9747234eac571b5d5d66d3d6ac367e2175
0xf82bF90b6fd58F07558BB03d6dEC21C0920E5Ced (aiviaa485) sent 0.012 ETH 0x1450327cD31117DaB5908552A1379F280cFAc7ba (jonathancool220)

For your reference
1.https://etherscan.io/address/0x1450327cd31117dab5908552a1379f280cfac7ba (jonathancool220)
2.https://etherscan.io/address/0x710f260684cf9e3f2aa1d5eade8bd3dd5299249c (damsix)
3.https://etherscan.io/address/0xf82bF90b6fd58F07558BB03d6dEC21C0920E5Ced (aiviaa485)
4.https://etherscan.io/address/0x4C19446C90Ed06946142d4Ac8989b5Ec552e46f8 (masudginanjar)
5.https://etherscan.io/address/0xde5dcE17AC6135E91BA473cF3E238C94bC29456F (IyemRoker)
6.https://etherscan.io/address/0xE98eF0a4E310b1902ab1852C4b30d50db8245B64 (kent47400)

All wallets connected. The evidence is clear, please investigate immediately.

[dkbit98]

I have come across new evidence pertinent to this case. There is a wealth of evidence available for consideration. I urge you to review this transaction for further insight

Nice work, account connection is more than clear, and I think connection between this accounts can have implications even in other forums

I don't know if you saw but manager icopress was kind enough to send you donation for exposing this, so post your bitcoin address or contact him.

I will send some payout to this user if he posts his Bitcoin address here and mentions my name (so that I can see his post).

[alltalk]

With a connection to one of the judges from Indonesia, I aim for fairness in this case, refraining from concealing or overlooking the available evidence
Thank you

You shouldn't doubt us.
As the Judges, I and Mnixxo will always try to be fair. We aren't selected to be Judges if we can't be fair to handle the cases.

We are investigating this case, it is not a simple case. So please wait for our decision. I'm not working alone, I need the agreement from Mnixxo as well.


Thanks Admin and Mr. President for your responses to this case.

[The Hunter]

+1 @The Hunter I suggest you to create a new services to help campaign managers, as you can go to the speedsheet for any campaign, and if you find any two alt/multi accounts, you will get their earning for that week.

I'll take it into account at a later time. Thanks

I will send some payout to this user if he posts his Bitcoin address here and mentions my name (so that I can see his post).

hello icopress

Is it alright if I send my wallet via a direct message?

Thank you

[icopress]

hello icopress

Is it alright if I send my wallet via a direct message?

Thank you

You can send a PM, but please note that the information will still be entered into a spreadsheet that anyone can view.

[damsix]

damsix - me - KYC verified
aiviaa485 - my wife - KYC verified
iyemroker - my mother - KYC verified
masudginanjar - my uncle - KYC verified
jonathancool220 - nephew - KYC verified
kent47400 - nephew - KYC verified

-I have a family that I teach every day to continue to be present in the cryptocurrency space since I first created an account in 2018.
-It took a long time and a struggle that was not easy to be able to bring my family to be present on the altcoinstalks forum which continues to discuss cryptocurrency.
-I spend a lot of time teaching my wife, mother, uncle and nephew to continue learning cryptocurrency, especially being present on the alcointalks forum.
-But after this incident (wallet connected), I have many questions and objections.

-Why wasn't this connected wallet revealed earlier by the Hunter?
- https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148952.msg840829#msg840829 , that's a 2020 post, why haven't you reported this since 2020? Why are you only now reporting it?
-I'm not sure if you are a new member coming to altcoinstalks with a new registration date in February 2024. It's better if you also submit KYC to the admin so that it can be verified and we as a family will re-KYC it so that it can be Veirified together.

-We are one family and have a Verified KYC badge but the KYC badge immediately disappeared.
-Even though for me personally, convincing my family to learn cryptocurrency is very difficult.
-Continuing to be active from 2018 until now is not easy, there are many stories and challenges that have been faced on the altcoinstalks forum.

-Can't my family and I attend the altcoinstalks forum?
-If there is a prohibition that states 1 family cannot be on altcoinstalks, please show us.

-We have an Access Point (Wifi) that we use at the same time every day, can our family be to blame for the same IP address?
-We have a lot of transactions between wallets because we are a full family, KYC Verified is what allows us to continue to be active on altcoinstalks because it is strong proof that we are a real family.

-We don't want to forget history, back when the altcoinstalks forum was quiet, where were you guys? no one is active on the forum, maybe even leaving altcoinstalks without saying a word.
-We are a family, even though altcoinstalks is quiet but continues to be active until now, until now. Remember, we are a family that has been verified with KYC and has been active on altcoinstalks since 2018.
-I continue to teach those, including my wife, to submit a "Women In Crypto" board, that is something that perhaps some members have not thought so far as to create a "Women In Crypto" subforum.

-For KYC with my family, wife, mother, nephew (except uncle because he is working outside the city and island) I am ready to use the photos lined up together and I submitted it to the admin, that I really have a cryptocurrency family community on the altcoinstalks forum.

-Show me the rules that don't allow one family in one forum? If there really were rules, I would be willing to apply to delete my family's AltcoinStalks account. I also got this advice from my mother and uncle, because parents love their children more than being the guilty person on the forum digital.
-As far as I know, an action is considered unlawful if a rule is violated.
-If there are no rules, how can someone be considered guilty because of their ignorance?
-These rules are used in all countries, and this forum is a global forum, all countries can become members.

-And if we are deemed to have circumvented KYC, we are willing to carry out KYC again with the same data and perhaps with the latest technology that the admin has which is more detailed in verification.
-And I make sure we are ready, because the personal ID and the person are valid.
-In a trial there must be data and evidence, not just assumptions or conjectures, so we will prove my case.

-I also asked The Hunter to do KYC, because the accuser's whereabouts should be verified. Neither the wind nor the ghost can make its demands.
-How can we be accused of being unclear?
-If you are in the courtroom, the judge before starting the trial always asks for ID and legality from all parties, including lawyers, the prosecution and those being sued.

-Let's conduct the trial in a fair and valid manner.
-After all, the admin stores the KYC data, the public doesn't need to know about it.
-Me and my family's KYC, admin also keeps it, so I know its validity is clear.

-Let the Judges decide, no intervention from the president, VP or others.
-Because you should learn the differences between legislative, executive and judicial powers.
-Executive officials are not allowed to intervene in the judiciary.
-This rule applies to almost all countries, or don't worry, you are in a different world. you should learn about it.

[Cantsay]

-Why wasn't this connected wallet revealed earlier by the Hunter?
- https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148952.msg840829#msg840829 , that's a 2020 post, why haven't you reported this since 2020? Why are you only now reporting it?
-I'm not sure if you are a new member coming to altcoinstalks with a new registration date in February 2024. It's better if you also submit KYC to the admin so that it can be verified and we as a family will re-KYC it so that it can be Veirified together.

-I also asked The Hunter to do KYC, because the accuser's whereabouts should be verified. Neither the wind nor the ghost can make its demands.
-How can we be accused of being unclear?

Everything I just quoted here won’t help your case.

This is a crypto forum, and while kyc is available (optionally), you cannot suggest that a user submit his/her personal information before his/her accusation against you is considered - many people still value their privacy, and even those who do not will not bother going through the verification process simply because of this type of issue.

[hugeblack]

-Let the Judges decide, no intervention from the president, VP or others.
-Because you should learn the differences between legislative, executive and judicial powers.
-Executive officials are not allowed to intervene in the judiciary.
-This rule applies to almost all countries, or don't worry, you are in a different world. you should learn about it.

Trying to attack @The Hunter will weaken your chances of being believed.

But did you use any of your family's accounts and post instead?

I see there is a similarity in some terminology. For example, the phrase “No problem mate” was repeated between some accounts more than once, in addition to the use of this emoji at the end of the text
If there is a person who speaks Indonesian, he might tell us whether there is a similarity in the writing style or not.

[Paglamon]

damsix - me - KYC verified
aiviaa485 - my wife - KYC verified
iyemroker - my mother - KYC verified
masudginanjar - my uncle - KYC verified
jonathancool220 - nephew - KYC verified
kent47400 - nephew - KYC verified

-I have a family that I teach every day to continue to be present in the cryptocurrency space since I first created an account in 2018.
-It took a long time and a struggle that was not easy to be able to bring my family to be present on the altcoinstalks forum which continues to discuss cryptocurrency.
-I spend a lot of time teaching my wife, mother, uncle and nephew to continue learning cryptocurrency, especially being present on the alcointalks forum.
-But after this incident (wallet connected), I have many questions and objections.

-Why wasn't this connected wallet revealed earlier by the Hunter?
- https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148952.msg840829#msg840829 , that's a 2020 post, why haven't you reported this since 2020? Why are you only now reporting it?
-I'm not sure if you are a new member coming to altcoinstalks with a new registration date in February 2024. It's better if you also submit KYC to the admin so that it can be verified and we as a family will re-KYC it so that it can be Veirified together.

-We are one family and have a Verified KYC badge but the KYC badge immediately disappeared.
-Even though for me personally, convincing my family to learn cryptocurrency is very difficult.
-Continuing to be active from 2018 until now is not easy, there are many stories and challenges that have been faced on the altcoinstalks forum.

-Can't my family and I attend the altcoinstalks forum?
-If there is a prohibition that states 1 family cannot be on altcoinstalks, please show us.

-We have an Access Point (Wifi) that we use at the same time every day, can our family be to blame for the same IP address?
-We have a lot of transactions between wallets because we are a full family, KYC Verified is what allows us to continue to be active on altcoinstalks because it is strong proof that we are a real family.

-We don't want to forget history, back when the altcoinstalks forum was quiet, where were you guys? no one is active on the forum, maybe even leaving altcoinstalks without saying a word.
-We are a family, even though altcoinstalks is quiet but continues to be active until now, until now. Remember, we are a family that has been verified with KYC and has been active on altcoinstalks since 2018.
-I continue to teach those, including my wife, to submit a "Women In Crypto" board, that is something that perhaps some members have not thought so far as to create a "Women In Crypto" subforum.

-For KYC with my family, wife, mother, nephew (except uncle because he is working outside the city and island) I am ready to use the photos lined up together and I submitted it to the admin, that I really have a cryptocurrency family community on the altcoinstalks forum.

-Show me the rules that don't allow one family in one forum? If there really were rules, I would be willing to apply to delete my family's AltcoinStalks account. I also got this advice from my mother and uncle, because parents love their children more than being the guilty person on the forum digital.
-As far as I know, an action is considered unlawful if a rule is violated.
-If there are no rules, how can someone be considered guilty because of their ignorance?
-These rules are used in all countries, and this forum is a global forum, all countries can become members.

-And if we are deemed to have circumvented KYC, we are willing to carry out KYC again with the same data and perhaps with the latest technology that the admin has which is more detailed in verification.
-And I make sure we are ready, because the personal ID and the person are valid.
-In a trial there must be data and evidence, not just assumptions or conjectures, so we will prove my case.

-I also asked The Hunter to do KYC, because the accuser's whereabouts should be verified. Neither the wind nor the ghost can make its demands.
-How can we be accused of being unclear?
-If you are in the courtroom, the judge before starting the trial always asks for ID and legality from all parties, including lawyers, the prosecution and those being sued.

-Let's conduct the trial in a fair and valid manner.
-After all, the admin stores the KYC data, the public doesn't need to know about it.
-Me and my family's KYC, admin also keeps it, so I know its validity is clear.

-Let the Judges decide, no intervention from the president, VP or others.
-Because you should learn the differences between legislative, executive and judicial powers.
-Executive officials are not allowed to intervene in the judiciary.
-This rule applies to almost all countries, or don't worry, you are in a different world. you should learn about it.

All family members can't not use forum account. 1 account allow for 1 family. Ours all account already posi.. tagged.

[Jokers]

We are one family

If you are not a total newbie in Internet, you should know that in case when all the patterns of your account are similar to accounts of your relatives, you should behave like as all accounts are managed by the one. It is not an easy question, but you shouldn't do:
1. Exchanging karma. When you do so, it opens the question about misusing the system.
2. Participating in the same campaign. Others can't check that there are many real people behind the screen, so participating in one campaign will be considered as a violation in most cases.
3. Doing anything as a group against any other single user of the forum not revealing that this is an attack of a group, not several attacks of not connected users.

I'm not the one to decide, but your case is not easy and you did some things that you shouldn't.

[Freemind]

I am no one to decide this case either, but I have some questions that I hope you can answer @damsix... If almost your entire family, who has an account on the forum, has passed the KYC, don't you think you should have considered notifying the administrator, for example?. And I'm not talking about doing it now, but from the first moment in which more than one of your family members creates an account on the forum, I think it is not difficult and many problems, like this case, would have been avoided.

It is unfair that you criticize @The Hunter, the work he does is incredible, using his own time and I also think it is necessary to improve the quality of the forum and the user experience.

[admin]

A debate is taking place, senators and bounty managers will give their opinion and decision concerning this topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318651

[dkbit98]

Word family was mentioned so many times that my head started to spin.
One family should not use the same wallet address and participate is same signature campaigns, and it is not normal to have six or more family members being active always in similar time on forum.

I see there is a similarity in some terminology. For example, the phrase “No problem mate”

They are one family, they all speak the same 

[damsix]

A debate is taking place, senators and bounty managers will give their opinion and decision concerning this topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318651

I don't know what's in that thread because I don't have access to view the topic.
The essence of my case (in my opinion), is the family not allowed to join the ATT forum?

I will give an example like Gen Halilintar who is present on YouTube, that is, one family created a YouTube channel, which indirectly had a good effect on YouTube.

Take a look at this chart =

*Youtube - Gen Halilintar - Family
*Altcoinstalks - My Family - me, wife, mother, uncle, nephew

My family is also present at ATT and has been actively contributing to the forum since 2018, but with a wallet connection it can be directly banned just like that.

From 2018 until now, there have been a lot of services for the ATT forum. I also took a lot of time "teaching them" about cryptocurrency on altcoinstalks.

Are there other considerations that are more positive than my case?