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Learning & News => Announcements [ANN] => Topic started by: ProtonMix on April 06, 2024, 04:36:44 PM
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protonmix#com
protonmix7rfcapz4cq4cpxdnu355m5fuzxtdcvxm5uek3yc76sezoid#onion
Protonmix's development has learned from Chipmixer. The Bitcoin you get existed before your wallet transfer.
If you have used chipmixer, you can use Protonmix like using chipmixer.
The first step, you need to deposit the BTC address that provided by Protonmix.
When the block is confirmed, you can take the second step. Here you can choose to get a private key or voucher. You can also choose a small chips for donations.
Then you can go to the third step. Here you will show the private key or voucher you get, or both.
When you confirm that the information is saved, you can enter the fourth step to destroy this session
A simple mixing process is completed.
I don't deposit a lot of bitcoins in protonmix, right now protonmix supports any amount from 0.001-0.999 direct and no mixing fees, this means that if you deposit 0.123btc to protonmix, you will also get 0.123btc from protonmix, and also it means that for every mixing of the user, I lose some transaction fees for every mix the user makes.
I've set aside some btc to cover the transaction fees, let's see how long it takes to spend them all?
If you would like to donate during the mixing process, it would be very important for us!
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Mixing services are allowed here, so there is no need to break the domain link.
You did not learn from Chipmixer, but rather copied the code.
There is no F.A.Q page
Cloudflare is not a good start for any service that claims to offer high privacy.
A donation-based mixer is not an easy task and requires that you have a lot of reserves. Can you sign a message from an address with 1 Bitcoin or more?
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I don't want to be that guy but you have to understand someone wanting to use your service thinking:
- 2 days old domain
- claims of being the follow-up on CM, being a former user I'm going to take that claim with a ton of salt
-no proof of any reveres whatsoever, you could have used the donation address for that
Also, the Faq on the mix page will just confuse people:
The minimum amount is 0.001 BTC and the maximum amount is 0.999 BTC
Depositing 1.2345 BTC will result with 1.234 BTC funds.
Depositing 0.1239 BTC will result with 0.123 BTC funds.
Depositing 0.1230 BTC will result with 0.123 BTC funds.
For transactions under 20 BTC we require 1 confirmation.
Your max is 0.999, why not 1, but then why the under 20 BTC 1 confirmation?
If the max is 0.9 why the first example is 1.23?
Also, you say chips but why not disclose the chip's size?
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Mixing services are allowed here, so there is no need to break the domain link.
You did not learn from Chipmixer, but rather copied the code.
There is no F.A.Q page
Cloudflare is not a good start for any service that claims to offer high privacy.
A donation-based mixer is not an easy task and requires that you have a lot of reserves. Can you sign a message from an address with 1 Bitcoin or more?
It's not that I want to break the link. When I submit the URL, the forum prompts that the link is not allowed to be posted.
I implemented all back-end processing, and a small part of the front-end prompts come from chipmixer.
Cloudflare can protect service providers from DDoS attacks, and we provide two access methods. When accessing using the Tor browser, you can choose to jump to the domain name of Onion.
I've split my Bitcoin into chips of varying amounts, but I'll take your advice. Gaining trust in a group of people concerned about privacy isn't easy, and we're just getting started.
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I don't want to be that guy but you have to understand someone wanting to use your service thinking:
- 2 days old domain
- claims of being the follow-up on CM, being a former user I'm going to take that claim with a ton of salt
-no proof of any reveres whatsoever, you could have used the donation address for that
Also, the Faq on the mix page will just confuse people:
The minimum amount is 0.001 BTC and the maximum amount is 0.999 BTC
Depositing 1.2345 BTC will result with 1.234 BTC funds.
Depositing 0.1239 BTC will result with 0.123 BTC funds.
Depositing 0.1230 BTC will result with 0.123 BTC funds.
For transactions under 20 BTC we require 1 confirmation.
Your max is 0.999, why not 1, but then why the under 20 BTC 1 confirmation?
If the max is 0.9 why the first example is 1.23?
Also, you say chips but why not disclose the chip's size?
Regarding the function of the program, I have tested it on the bitcoin testnet for a long time. I think it is almost done. I registered a new domain name as a new beginning. Everything has its beginning.
The minimum amount is 0.001 BTC and the maximum amount is 0.999 BTC
The amount prompted here will be dynamically adjusted as the chips change.
Depositing 1.2345 BTC will result with 1.234 BTC funds.
Depositing 0.1239 BTC will result with 0.123 BTC funds.
Depositing 0.1230 BTC will result with 0.123 BTC funds.
For transactions under 20 BTC we require 1 confirmation
The tips here are general tips and will not change. This tip comes from chipmixer. I think it is useful to me, so I copied them.
I didn't invest too many Bitcoins, only about 1.12, I split them into chips, such as 0.001, 0.002, 0.005, 0.01, 0.02, 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.5, etc., they can form 0.001-0.999 Directly any combination, because there is currently no single chip with a value of 1, it is not supported for the time being. I am not sure if you can understand it, but I am very grateful for your attention and your questions.
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I think you would be doing yourself a favor to change the text branding on the front page to something that's not "Mixing reinvented for your privacy", because there are quite a few fake ChipMixer clones even after the real site got seized, and you don't want your branding to look similar to ChipMixer (even though your logo and name is quite different which is good) so that people do not suspect that your site isn't trustworthy.
Maybe add some details about your service to the front page too.
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I agree with the comments of the other colleagues, I think that claiming they are the new CM is an overstatement. However I see a willingness to do things right, as they have already changed the text to 'Mixing Reinvented For Your Privacy' as suggested by NotATether recently.
You know what I think you need to do, ProtonMix? On the one hand to hire some expert in mixers from this forum to help you to improve the project, and on the other hand you run a signature campaign that pays above what the other mixers pay, to hire the absolute best posters from this forum, as it happened in Bitcointalk with CM. That way your project will start to look like CM.
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I've split my Bitcoin into chips of varying amounts, but I'll take your advice. Gaining trust in a group of people concerned about privacy isn't easy, and we're just getting started.
service will depend on customer funds that mean will not have enough chips if the user deposits large amounts, it is better to put a warning.
I didn't invest too many Bitcoins, only about 1.12, I split them into chips,
1.2 Bitcoin will not make you a good mixer. The mixer industry is based on having a large reserve to ensure liquidity at any time.
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Cloudflare is not a good start for any service that claims to offer high privacy.
Most currently active mixers use Cloudflare or DDoS-Guard, only 2 or 3 mixers have their own protection on the server.
Maybe add some details about your service to the front page too.
I agree with this. Everything looks like it was made in a hurry, I hope the backend is not like that.
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I think you would be doing yourself a favor to change the text branding on the front page to something that's not "Mixing reinvented for your privacy", because there are quite a few fake ChipMixer clones even after the real site got seized, and you don't want your branding to look similar to ChipMixer (even though your logo and name is quite different which is good) so that people do not suspect that your site isn't trustworthy.
Maybe add some details about your service to the front page too.
The advice you gave makes sense, I've given it some thought and made some changes. Thank you.
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I agree with the comments of the other colleagues, I think that claiming they are the new CM is an overstatement. However I see a willingness to do things right, as they have already changed the text to 'Mixing Reinvented For Your Privacy' as suggested by NotATether recently.
You know what I think you need to do, ProtonMix? On the one hand to hire some expert in mixers from this forum to help you to improve the project, and on the other hand you run a signature campaign that pays above what the other mixers pay, to hire the absolute best posters from this forum, as it happened in Bitcointalk with CM. That way your project will start to look like CM.
Thanks for the reply, I won't be doing anything like that for a while yet, commercial mixers make a lot of commission that can be used to support them in doing this, and ProtonMix is not a commercial program
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service will depend on customer funds that mean will not have enough chips if the user deposits large amounts, it is better to put a warning.
When the coins that users deposit are greater than the maximum amount of the system prompt, they will get their original coins
1.2 Bitcoin will not make you a good mixer. The mixer industry is based on having a large reserve to ensure liquidity at any time.
I agree with you that a mixer with a storage capacity of 1.2 bitcoins may even look funny.
Let me give you my opinion.
First, I'm not sure if there are bugs in the program that could lead to the theft of funds, and I wouldn't invest too much in this mixer until it's been tested.
Second, many mixers have a minimum amount of 0.001 btc, and I think it makes sense to offer low or even zero-fee mixing for small amounts of bitcoin less than 0.999.
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<...> and ProtonMix is not a commercial program
If it is not a commercial mixer, what type of mixer is it? Altruistic? I don't know if you say that because it doesn't charge fees and you will even lose money if people don't donate, but CM relied only on donations and it was a very successful business. I understand that if you have started with little capital you don't consider other things but I don't think you have set this up in a hurry to lose money.
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Protonmix's development has learned from Chipmixer. The Bitcoin you get existed before your wallet transfer.
If you have used chipmixer, you can use Protonmix like using chipmixer.
Given that I am well aware of the way in which CM operated, I can only say that in the end it turned into something bad for end users, more precisely those who for some reason saved coins on private keys or vouchers. Although they claimed that such things are deleted after a while, it turned out that all private keys and vouchers with balance were swept away the moment the mixer was taken down.
Your main problem is how to gain trust, not only in the mixing process, but also in security and privacy, where CM unfortunately failed in the end.
By the way, is "posting multiple post in the row" allowed on this forum? Anyway, it doesn't look pleasant to read, and someone who doesn't know how to quote several posts in one does not inspire too much confidence (at least not for me personally).
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The tips here are general tips and will not change. This tip comes from chipmixer. I think it is useful to me, so I copied them.
I didn't invest too many Bitcoins, only about 1.12, I split them into chips, such as 0.001, 0.002, 0.005, 0.01, 0.02, 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.5, etc., they can form 0.001-0.999 Directly any combination, because there is currently no single chip with a value of 1, it is not supported for the time being. I am not sure if you can understand it, but I am very grateful for your attention and your questions.
I understand how CM worked, I used CM for years and I was part of the CM gang on BTT for years, it's quite the opposite, you are missing a thing here, and that is the variety of chips.
With CM for example if you were to mix 0.1 B you would get 0.64 + 0.032 + 0.004 but you could further split your chips into 3 x 0.032
or even split them again.
In your reserve idea, you have chips of the value:
0.001, 0.002, 0.005, 0.01, 0.02, 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.5
that makes 0.9 of your reserves but if someone would want to go with the CM model he would deposit 0.4 BTC and want them split into 4 0.1 BTC chips, someone would deposit 0.5 and again would want 4 0.1 chips and two 0 0.05 chips.
With your liquidity, if you have 1.2 BTC and 0.7 stuck in 0.2 and 0.5 chips you would have no way of fulfilling an order of 9 0.1 chips, despite the order being lower than your reserve.
It's a matter of change, you need way more low-specific chips than the orders you're taking.
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Given that I am well aware of the way in which CM operated, I can only say that in the end it turned into something bad for end users, more precisely those who for some reason saved coins on private keys or vouchers. Although they claimed that such things are deleted after a while, it turned out that all private keys and vouchers with balance were swept away the moment the mixer was taken down.
Your main problem is how to gain trust, not only in the mixing process, but also in security and privacy, where CM unfortunately failed in the end.
I myself was a victim of the chipmixer shutdown, I acquired multiple private keys which I imported into my electrum wallet but didn't transfer them out to my own wallet in the first place, after about 2-3 days a few bitcoin addresses with smaller amounts were transferred out, I don't know why only some of them were transferred out but I'm glad it wasn't all of them!
You're right, it's hard to gain trust, especially for a new mixer, I've thought a lot about privacy and security, and I've done a lot, and I'll leave it up to time to prove it, I want ProtonMix to be a mixer that provides privacy for bitcoin but also avoids getting caught up in money laundering, the easiest thing is to limit the amount of money to do so, so I'm going to position him at the beginning to be a platform for small amounts of bitcoins to provide a privacy service, and bitcoin mixers of less than ten bitcoins are enough to satisfy the majority of common users.
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I understand how CM worked, I used CM for years and I was part of the CM gang on BTT for years, it's quite the opposite, you are missing a thing here, and that is the variety of chips.
With CM for example if you were to mix 0.1 B you would get 0.64 + 0.032 + 0.004 but you could further split your chips into 3 x 0.032
or even split them again.
In your reserve idea, you have chips of the value:
0.001, 0.002, 0.005, 0.01, 0.02, 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.5
that makes 0.9 of your reserves but if someone would want to go with the CM model he would deposit 0.4 BTC and want them split into 4 0.1 BTC chips, someone would deposit 0.5 and again would want 4 0.1 chips and two 0 0.05 chips.
With your liquidity, if you have 1.2 BTC and 0.7 stuck in 0.2 and 0.5 chips you would have no way of fulfilling an order of 9 0.1 chips, despite the order being lower than your reserve.
It's a matter of change, you need way more low-specific chips than the orders you're taking.
You're right, chipmixer has more variety in chips and more flexibility in splitting and combining chips, I think I'd have a hard time doing that.
In fact, my current test chips are 0.001,0.002,0.002,0.005,0.01,0.02,0.02,0.05,0.1,0.2,0.2,0.5, so it supports any amount of 0.001-0.009 directly, when the user deposits 0.4, the system will return the minimum number of chips in priority, that is, 0.2+0.2, when the user deposits 0.9, the system defaults to return the minimum number of chips, that is, 0.2+0.2, when When the user deposits 0.9, the system returns 0.2+0.2+0.5 by default, there is no way to split or merge according to the user's preference, splitting and merging is one of chipmixer's strengths, at present we can't do it, this is not as good as the chipmixer place!
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Hello @ProtonMix.
Please, you can copy several quotes in a single post without having to write several posts in a row, since it is not allowed in the forum. Simply click on the post you want to quote, copy the text, and paste it into your post.
In this way we prevent a thread from being filled only with posts from one user and make it easier to read.
If you need help just ask and we will help you.
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Protonmix's development has learned from Chipmixer. The Bitcoin you get existed before your wallet transfer.
If you have used chipmixer, you can use Protonmix like using chipmixer.
Why are you mentioning chipmixer so much?
We all know that Chipmixer story didn't end well, and I think I saw that your cloned their mixer and it was posted with testnet in bitcointalk forum.
It didn't work very well for me when I tried to use it back then (stuck coins), now you are moving to mainnet and I don't consider it safe for use. :P
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Protonmix's development has learned from Chipmixer. The Bitcoin you get existed before your wallet transfer.
If you have used chipmixer, you can use Protonmix like using chipmixer.
Why are you mentioning chipmixer so much?
We all know that Chipmixer story didn't end well, and I think I saw that your cloned their mixer and it was posted with testnet in bitcointalk forum.
It didn't work very well for me when I tried to use it back then (stuck coins), now you are moving to mainnet and I don't consider it safe for use. :P
I really like chipmixer, because the idea of mixing is very good, most of the mixers take deposits, charge part of the commission and then transfer the money in a couple of hours, which I don't like.
Thank you for having tested the testnet network, testnet is for testing, and testing a series of problems that have been fixed, that's the point of testnet, I'm sorry that testnet has left a bad impression on you!
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I really like chipmixer, because the idea of mixing is very good, most of the mixers take deposits, charge part of the commission and then transfer the money in a couple of hours, which I don't like.
Thank you for having tested the testnet network, testnet is for testing, and testing a series of problems that have been fixed, that's the point of testnet, I'm sorry that testnet has left a bad impression on you!
It would be more fair and honest from you to tell the truth how you released testnet version, and not to wait for me to first reveal this information.
You also didn't said before that you had any plans to move to full working mixing platform, just that you are doing some experiments.
How much Bitcoin you have now that is available for mixing, and what is maximum amount people can mix?
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I really like chipmixer, because the idea of mixing is very good, most of the mixers take deposits, charge part of the commission and then transfer the money in a couple of hours, which I don't like.
Thank you for having tested the testnet network, testnet is for testing, and testing a series of problems that have been fixed, that's the point of testnet, I'm sorry that testnet has left a bad impression on you!
It would be more fair and honest from you to tell the truth how you released testnet version, and not to wait for me to first reveal this information.
You also didn't said before that you had any plans to move to full working mixing platform, just that you are doing some experiments.
How much Bitcoin you have now that is available for mixing, and what is maximum amount people can mix?
I have released a version of testnet and found some bugs and fixed them, why do you think I have to disclose this information?
There's a lot I haven't said before, and a lot I'm going to do in the future, so why should I?
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I have released a version of testnet and found some bugs and fixed them, why do you think I have to disclose this information?
There's a lot I haven't said before, and a lot I'm going to do in the future, so why should I?
It's a bit strange to hear this, but yeah you don't have to disclose anything at all.
And you don't have to answer simple question I asked about maximum coins that can be mixed, just don't expect people will use your service after that.