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Author Topic: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .  (Read 1218 times)

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2024, 05:51:23 PM »
Yeah exactly. People accepts brirbery during elections that is why corrupt politicians will have to make something just to recover the loss they've paid during the campaign period. This is what actually is happening here in my small country. When majority of these bad voters overpower the good voters we are left hanging and things will become worst as corruptions became more rampant.  I think we need a reform on this.

Regarding bribery. I, in my country, have observed this process. That is why I said earlier that I think it is necessary to limit voting rights. It is the pensioners and the poor who are bought very cheaply. And the biggest problem is not that they are being sold, but that they are being sold to get a momentary gain for a day-week-month, with absolutely no thought for the FUTURE. They live today, and they have the most primitive needs, they are not used to building complex cause-and-effect relationships to understand that selling your vote today, for 10 dollars, you, your children and grandchildren will lose thousands of dollars and POSSIBILITIES, and will be deprived of a quality future!
Here in my place vote buying starts from $50-$200 for mayors and councilors which makes things gets worst if some nonsense politicians will win a slot in the local government as you have said it's a few days of glory just because of the money but it will take more years to suffer from the effect of that wrong doing.

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2024, 05:51:23 PM »

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2024, 06:14:21 PM »
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What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
Shear your ideas and opinions  ...

Bad government ridicule the economy but let me ask again, who are the government? Aren't we the government? It is you and I that forms the government but any time the president and governors doesn't do something in accordance to the way we like, we attack them when the individuals are also corrupt in their own ways.

We blame the government over little things hit we are the first to start corruption under our small offices, we used privilege of our offices not to follow due protocols, used influence to break laws and many things that can lead us to jail but we blame the government all the time forgetting that we are also part of the government.
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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2024, 10:25:24 AM »
Here in my place vote buying starts from $50-$200 for mayors and councilors which makes things gets worst if some nonsense politicians will win a slot in the local government as you have said it's a few days of glory just because of the money but it will take more years to suffer from the effect of that wrong doing.

Money politics is not a novel occurrence in the political realm.
However, it appears to be a topic that is largely overlooked.
The lack of public awareness regarding the practice of money politics and the associated risks is a significant contributing factor to the proliferation of money politics.
Efforts to eradicate money politics are not straightforward, requiring a lengthy and complex process.
Incorporating money politics content into educational curricula represents a culturally effective long-term strategy.
In the short term, active voter participation in monitoring election participants can minimize money politics.

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2024, 10:42:08 AM »
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What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
Shear your ideas and opinions  ...

Bad government ridicule the economy but let me ask again, who are the government? Aren't we the government? It is you and I that forms the government but any time the president and governors doesn't do something in accordance to the way we like, we attack them when the individuals are also corrupt in their own ways.

We blame the government over little things hit we are the first to start corruption under our small offices, we used privilege of our offices not to follow due protocols, used influence to break laws and many things that can lead us to jail but we blame the government all the time forgetting that we are also part of the government.

+ !

It's nice to hear such words !
When more than half of the people will realize that the power is us, corruption is also us, and that we not only choose the power, but also have the right to demand the fulfillment of the goals and election promises. At the same time not to support populists, not to trust those who have already lost trust and deceived, not to believe liars, totalitarian rulers, religious fanatics, corruptors,....  So as not to complain to everyone around you "I have a bad government in my country" :)


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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #34 on: Today at 03:51:12 PM »

PS I for example believe that one of the laws that can improve the situation - is the right to vote - only the tax payer ! Let me clarify, although it will sound unpleasant - but pensioners, and all those who are on state support, in a society where there are problems with the government - should not vote. The reason is banal - they are the "breeding ground", which is very easy to cheat or simply bribe for pennies !

The fundamental principles of democracy are equality and inclusiveness, and the right to participate in the political process is considered a human right. Limiting the franchise to a select few can be viewed as a violation of democratic principles.

Jason Brennan, a professor and author, states that there is a side effect of the democratic system, which encourages citizens to be irrational, tribal behavior and not take their vote seriously.
Therefore, he proposes a complementary system to mitigate these shortcomings, The concept of Epistocracy.
Brennan's concept of Epistocracy is a potential solution to this problem. However, its applicability remains a matter of debate among experts. Some experts consider this concept applicable and believe it can complement the democratic system.


From the point of view of theory - I ABSOLUTELY agree with you !
But... As always there are nuances... The point is that restrictions were and will be in people's lives, and democracy is not permissiveness. Any idea can be brought to absurdity - for example, if democracy - I have the right to do what I want, and therefore I can take away your car because it does not like it ? But then everyone will immediately say - you have no such right, because it violates the right of private property !
Then the question is why criminals and people with antisocial goals have the right to influence the lives of other people, taking away their FUTURE and the right to live a quality life !??  :)

And as a conclusion, I can say that "for the rights of those who want to be disenfranchised" is very often advocated by those for whom this audience - very convenient and profitable.

I will give an example, very unpleasant for me, but very indicative. I am a citizen in Ukraine. I was born back in the days of the USSR. But from childhood I hated totalitarianism and the squalor of "developed socialism, in the best country". You have no idea what were the realities of life in the USSR ...
And as a country that survived 70 years of occupation by the USSR, there are still quite a lot of citizens in Ukriana who are used to living in the USSR, fear and hate FREEDOM, hate progress, hate universal values. And this is actively used by some politicians. And under the slogans "let's return to the USSR", plus giving these people a small food "present" (they are all elderly) - they get a megaloyal audience that will hate everything new, and will pull the whole country back to ruin, totalitarianism, disenfranchisement. And there are VERY MULTIPLE such people. They don't care, they don't have responsibility, they are driven by hatred, and they end up making up, if not a large, then a significant mass of voters. And they will NEVER make a choice for the FUTURE, only "forward to the past".

Plus, I believe that people who do not pay taxes at the moment, are on the maintenance of the state (read - TAXPAYERS), i.e. they from "their pocket", their labor and their time do not pay for the maintenance of others and the country, they can not make balanced and objective decisions to improve the situation !   

PS Epistocracy is quite a good solution !

 

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