Mixers Board

[Learn Bitcoin]

As far as I know  he is the domain admin. While theymos is the forum admin
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius

I know that Sirius is the domain admin. But I was talking about Cyrus, another admin of the Bitcoin forum. I don't know what I heard about Cobra. I thought he bought the domain and later transferred it to Sirius. What if they transfer the full control to Cyrus, who is from Romania? I believe Cyrus and Sirius are not the same person. Right?

Anyway, I am going off-topic again. Since Bitcointalk already banned all the mixers, I don't think they will unban them anytime soon. But if the forum administration changes, they might change some rules. For now, Altcoinstalks is welcoming everyone.

[dkbit98]

Bitcointalk should not be an arm of the US government. If there are restrictions by a government, then you don't do business in that country.
Just imagine what Bitcointalk would look like if it were to adapt to Chinese laws and censorship, of course, it would move to some friendlier territory.

It's easy to say that but they already have all personal and financial details about owner and his family.
Simple moving of forum to some other country won't solve anything, and they will always find him responsible for things advertised there.
Same thing would happen to Satoshi in case that his identity was revealed in public.

These subsections can logically be placed in different global boards or main sections, so when searching in a correct board and not finding some can despair and decide that there's no such topic at all. So for some sections there is an additional redirection in other most expected places.

This honestly doesn't make much sense to me
I think this also creates a mess for search engines and forum rating.

[Hatchy]

It is true that some of us see the forum as a money-making machine, while the admin has a completely different point of view. So, they are not going to hear our suggestions when it comes to risking the forum. What if they transfer the control to Cyrus, who is from Romania?

As far as I know  he is the domain admin. While theymos is the forum admin
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius

I sometimes get confused when relating Sirius and Cyrus as far as I'm concerned, they are two different persons. Sirius has been inactive for a long time. While this Cyrus which is a global moderator and Admin is always active and constantly moving topics to right boards. (Some one should correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe I need to do more research about those two.

Anyway, I am going off-topic again. Since Bitcointalk already banned all the mixers, I don't think they will unban them anytime soon. But if the forum administration changes, they might change some rules. For now, Altcoinstalks is welcoming everyone.

Yea I don't see BitcoinTalk admin altering his decisions soon. Unless for some reason mixers services are no longer disturbed by regulatory bodies I don't see theymos return mixers back to Bitcointalk.

[Agbe]

We still have some sections which are not very popular, so making new sections is not a thing we should hurry with. Some of the privacy topics can be discussed in the Technical Discussion, some in Cryptocurrency discussions, few others in General Discussion. If there will be the really huge activity on this topic with many many dozens of active threads we can rethink it again, right?

When you are already present in the discussion about arranging the boards, why, for example, do we have multiple childboards that lead to the same section? For example
"Altcoins Talks - Cryptocurrency Forum  »Marketplace »Marketplace & Bitcoin Services »Bitcoin Services & Altcoins Services" leads to https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=500.0
and also
"Earnings »Signature Campaigns" go to the same section.
Isn't that creating unnecessary noise and making it difficult ^{time wasting} to use the forum?

You have said well. Sometimes I even think of it, what is the reason of all the similar sub-boards. Can't them emerge all those similar boards in one? Such as "Altcoins Talks - Cryptocurrency Forum" can be in one. And Marketplace »Marketplace & Bitcoin Services »Bitcoin Services & Altcoins Services plus Signature Campaigns" con form one board. There was a time I was even confused of which board to locate services in the forum.

[notblox1]

I am supporting creation of new Mixer board, but why dont we create some type of voting to see what majority of members want?
Altcoinstalks forum is making more decentralized decisions and voting is one way for members to show admin what changes they want to see.

[examplens]

I don't even think those SEO techniques are effective. It is quite the opposite IMO.

SEO techniques, when implemented correctly, they improve user experience, not the opposite. I see that in websites  I have worked.

We agree there, but apparently, the forum administrators see it differently.
Altt does not come up very often in SE search, perhaps it could be concluded that the current SEO optimization is not giving results. This could be a signal for changes, especially now that activity and the number of visits to the forum have increased significantly.

I know that Sirius is the domain admin. But I was talking about Cyrus, another admin of the Bitcoin forum. I don't know what I heard about Cobra. I thought he bought the domain and later transferred it to Sirius. What if they transfer the full control to Cyrus, who is from Romania? I believe Cyrus and Sirius are not the same person. Right?

Romania is a member of the EU, I am not sure that this would bring significant relief compared to the current situation.

It's easy to say that but they already have all personal and financial details about owner and his family.
Simple moving of forum to some other country won't solve anything, and they will always find him responsible for things advertised there.

An idea or a solution might be created from a simple conversation.
The ownership may also change and it's an option.

The technical side of the forum administration is excellent, but censorship is certainly not something that is expected from Btt.
It is a matter of the legal side, whether the admin of the forum bears responsibility for something that others advertise, and I am sure that there is a solution for that as well in the form of legal protection.
Go0gle already does such a thing, considering that phishing mixers are legally advertised through them.

[bitmover]

The technical side of the forum administration is excellent, but censorship is certainly not something that is expected from Btt.
It is a matter of the legal side, whether the admin of the forum bears responsibility for something that others advertise, and I am sure that there is a solution for that as well in the form of legal protection.
Go0gle already does such a thing, considering that phishing mixers are legally advertised through them.

This is way off-topic about other forum, but I understand theymos. I don't see his attitude as censorship. I think he is protecting the forum and himself.

IRS FBI etc are chasing criminal and the services they use.

I think theymos is a young man, with millions and millions of dollars legally earned , he is the admin of a very successful forum and website, doing only legal stuff.

He is probably afraid that some of his website sponsor are doing illegal stuff, and that could give him A LOT of headache. He could even be chased by authorities. One of the possible consequences is that the forum could be seized, shut down, fined, etc...

He doesn't need that risk. Specially because the forum doesn't need those services to survive, neither their money nor their traffic.

Maybe I would act differently, or someone else would be more brave. Who knows. But he is the one who is doing the job , taking the decisions and the risks. And he has done an amazing job so far. BTT is really an amazing place.

[hugeblack]

As far as I know  he is the domain admin. While theymos is the forum admin
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius

Martti Malmi is a nice guy but he gave up everything in 2013, since ~2021 who runs the domain and runs the forum is theymos.

The technical side of the forum administration is excellent, but censorship is certainly not something that is expected from Btt.
It is a matter of the legal side, whether the admin of the forum bears responsibility for something that others advertise, and I am sure that there is a solution for that as well in the form of legal protection.
Go0gle already does such a thing, considering that phishing mixers are legally advertised through them.

If you back to the eXch post, the IRS read posts there, and after what happened with CM, the forum was keen to cooperate with regulatory authorities, and some customer data was even handed over.

In general, important question is what the forum will do with the reserve, especially since it is more than 500 bitcoins, and several months ago, part of it was moved.
I will create a topic about this soon, but I am waiting for the discussions in the forum to calm down.

I am supporting creation of new Mixer board, but why dont we create some type of voting to see what majority of members want?
Altcoinstalks forum is making more decentralized decisions and voting is one way for members to show admin what changes they want to see.

I think there is some kind of voting, but it is not available to the public.
I think that mods recommend boards to the president and then it is voted on (I am not sure).


If there is a vote, I suggest to make a privacy or bitcoin privacy board.

[bitmover]

If you back to the eXch post, the IRS read posts there, and after what happened with CM, the forum was keen to cooperate with regulatory authorities, and some customer data was even handed over.

Basically our data you mean?
The forum Handed data CM related? Can you give more information about this? Probably signature campaign data was included with this

[examplens]

If you back to the eXch post, the IRS read posts there, and after what happened with CM, the forum was keen to cooperate with regulatory authorities, and some customer data was even handed over.

Basically our data you mean?
The forum Handed data CM related? Can you give more information about this? Probably signature campaign data was included with this

A few months ago, exch publicly published the correspondence with the IRS (or similar authority) when they asked for the data of their users. These days they did it again, but they asked that their request for data not be published on Btt.
It is quite obvious that they followed the forum and if they asked exch for information at least twice, the conclusion is that it is highly probable that they also asked the Btt administration in cases like CM.

Although I'm pretty sure that they are not interested in users who had their signatures, but owners and managers of questionable services.

[Learn Bitcoin]

I sometimes get confused when relating Sirius and Cyrus as far as I'm concerned, they are two different persons. Sirius has been inactive for a long time. While this Cyrus which is a global moderator and Admin is always active and constantly moving

I am sure that they are a different person. Sirius registered there in November 2009 and his last post was ten years ago. But if you check his profile, he often logs in and checks the forum but he does not write anything for some reason. On the other side, Cyrus is from Romania and he came to that forum in 2013 and still active in the forum. Mostly he is active in collectible threads and move topics to the right sections. So, they cannot be the same person. Cyrus is the forum admin while sirius's title is Bitcoiner is his forum account.

[dkbit98]

An idea or a solution might be created from a simple conversation.
The ownership may also change and it's an option.

It's easy to say like this when you are not in actual position to make decisions like him.
I think that most people in his place would do much worse job if defending user freedom in forum, and maybe it would not even exist today.

Go0gle already does such a thing, considering that phishing mixers are legally advertised through them.

g00gle is going to advertise just about anything for money, including scams and phishing websites 

Martti Malmi is a nice guy but he gave up everything in 2013, since ~2021 who runs the domain and runs the forum is theymos.

If I remember correctly even theymos also had to share everything with law officials in 2014 after he received subpoena.
He was also accused by other members for censorship before, so it's no big surprise that mixers are now banned there.

[bitmover]

An idea or a solution might be created from a simple conversation.
The ownership may also change and it's an option.

It's easy to say like this when you are not in actual position to make decisions like him.
I think that most people in his place would do much worse job if defending user freedom in forum, and maybe it would not even exist today.

I agree. And the forum has quite a lot of high level technical discussions and technical support.

I think theymos did a very good job in keeping the forum active, with high traffic and profitable. Amazing imo.

Additionally, it has considerable low censorship. You can basically say and discuss anything about mixing there, you just can't link to their websites...

[dkbit98]

I think theymos did a very good job in keeping the forum active, with high traffic and profitable. Amazing imo.

I am not going to praise theymos for that.
Forum received a huge amount of bitcoin donations, and they still didnt complete development of new forum software.
Compared to AltcoinsTalks forum they exist longer but it's much harder to change anything serious, including boards.
Here we managed to get some improvements and changes with boards and how forum works, but I hope to see more of that.
I don't like that mixer ANN topics are mixed with bunch of tokens and presales.

[bitmover]

I don't like that mixer ANN topics are mixed with bunch of tokens and presales.

I agree... I think there is too much emphasis in the "Earning" board as well..