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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: yahoo62278 on February 07, 2024, 08:20:27 PM
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I have seen where Negative karma is described as Negative karma is given to users who are misbehaving, breaking the rules, being aggressive or disruptive to the forum. This can be found in this topic https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
I pop on a few times a day and make a post or 2. Where I post varies, I like the forum section and I like the gambling section mostly. I also have the notification bot enabled to let me know if someone has mentioned me in a reply so I can read their reply and respond if needed. Today the bot went off with this message You received -1 Negative Karma. Total received Karma 94.
Follow the rules, and keep posting good, helpful topic to avoid getting Negative Karma.
Normally I could care less who agrees or disagrees with my opinion as we are all different and everyone is never going to agree with a person all the time, but I am pretty sure I have tried not to be too aggressive or misbehave on here thus far.
Reading the noti that I got it says follow the rules (check), keep posting good, helpful topic (check) to avoid getting neg karma. OK now the question is, how do I know where I am misbehaving, breaking rules, or being aggressive if I have no clue who gave me the neg karma or what post the neg karma was given to? How can I be better about whatever issue someone had, if I don't know the issue that person had.
I am of the opinion that who and when you were given + or - karma should be public knowledge. I see no reason to keep it hidden honestly. If it's hidden what's the point in having it?
Wouldn't mind some constructive opinions on the topic and maybe I'll gain a different perspective on the topic.
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I totally agree with you on almost everything you have said, and on many occasions I have also wondered why we can't know who gives us positive or negative karma. It is something that over time I have understood and finally liked. THE reason is as simple as maintaining a good atmosphere in the forum, this way we avoid useless discussions and, in general, we have a good place to talk about cryptocurrencies.
Knowing who gives us or takes away karma would be a bad idea, since everything I said above would disappear, and what we would see every day would be just a discussion and continuous “war” between many users, although I suppose that not all users would do the same. Personally I don't care who gives or who takes my karma, it's something I prefer to ignore and go about my business without paying attention to who likes or doesn't like my posts.
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I did not know that the notification bot can track karma change, that's nice.
Just to be clear the notification bot is created by a 3rd party and have general advice.
the karma given can be because of anything, someone can simply not like you.
Why the info is not public, because it would destroy what we are trying to achieve, which is having a friendly and positive community.
As you can see there is no easy way to find who gave karma, due precisely to that.
I checked the log, i can tell you, it was given by a member who might have misunderstood you, as his English understanding is limited.
+1 Karma to bring back positive vibes to you ;)
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I totally agree with you on almost everything you have said, and on many occasions I have also wondered why we can't know who gives us positive or negative karma. It is something that over time I have understood and finally liked. THE reason is as simple as maintaining a good atmosphere in the forum, this way we avoid useless discussions and, in general, we have a good place to talk about cryptocurrencies.
Knowing who gives us or takes away karma would be a bad idea, since everything I said above would disappear, and what we would see every day would be just a discussion and continuous “war” between many users, although I suppose that not all users would do the same. Personally I don't care who gives or who takes my karma, it's something I prefer to ignore and go about my business without paying attention to who likes or doesn't like my posts.
I did not know that the notification bot can track karma change, that's nice.
Just to be clear the notification bot is created by a 3rd party and have general advice.
the karma given can be because of anything, someone can simply not like you.
Why the info is not public, because it would destroy what we are trying to achieve, which is having a friendly and positive community.
As you can see there is no easy way to find who gave karma, due precisely to that.
I checked the log, i can tell you, it was given by a member who might have misunderstood you, as his English understanding is limited.
+1 Karma to bring back positive vibes to you ;)
To answer you both at once, would it be a feasible option to show positive and negative karma points on each post but not show who gave you whatever tag? This would keep the drama away as far as not starting personal wars over opinions and still notify or show a user that their opinion or response was good or bad in the eyes of the readers.
If a person wanted to have a general idea who gave the pos or neg, they can look at the members online when the negative or positive noti came in and see who is currently online. Prob someone in the 1st 10 users you see on the list did the action.
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I totally agree with you on almost everything you have said, and on many occasions I have also wondered why we can't know who gives us positive or negative karma. It is something that over time I have understood and finally liked. THE reason is as simple as maintaining a good atmosphere in the forum, this way we avoid useless discussions and, in general, we have a good place to talk about cryptocurrencies.
Knowing who gives us or takes away karma would be a bad idea, since everything I said above would disappear, and what we would see every day would be just a discussion and continuous “war” between many users, although I suppose that not all users would do the same. Personally I don't care who gives or who takes my karma, it's something I prefer to ignore and go about my business without paying attention to who likes or doesn't like my posts.
I did not know that the notification bot can track karma change, that's nice.
Just to be clear the notification bot is created by a 3rd party and have general advice.
the karma given can be because of anything, someone can simply not like you.
Why the info is not public, because it would destroy what we are trying to achieve, which is having a friendly and positive community.
As you can see there is no easy way to find who gave karma, due precisely to that.
I checked the log, i can tell you, it was given by a member who might have misunderstood you, as his English understanding is limited.
+1 Karma to bring back positive vibes to you ;)
To answer you both at once, would it be a feasible option to show positive and negative karma points on each post but not show who gave you whatever tag? This would keep the drama away as far as not starting personal wars over opinions and still notify or show a user that their opinion or response was good or bad in the eyes of the readers.
If a person wanted to have a general idea who gave the pos or neg, they can look at the members online when the negative or positive noti came in and see who is currently online. Prob someone in the 1st 10 users you see on the list did the action.
the feature of karma by post have been requested, but currently not a high priority for me
i will put it on the list, when i have time will look into it
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Admin there is no way a community will have an 100% friendly or coexistence among members, even as nobody knows who -Karma and +karma users are still disagreeing to themselves and I know what you don't want use to see that because to avoid unnecessary drama in the forum but those dramas make the forum more stronger. Dramas create entertainment in the forum. Therefore I also join the op to request for the showing the users who gives -Karma or +karma. And also if you notice I have already created a thread like this in general board section in the afternoon before this thread. And you can see it from the link below https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317206.msg1491866#msg1491866.
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Admin there is no way a community will have an 100% friendly or coexistence among members, even as nobody knows who -Karma and +karma users are still disagreeing to themselves and I know what you don't want use to see that because to avoid unnecessary drama in the forum but those dramas make the forum more stronger. Dramas create entertainment in the forum. Therefore I also join the op to request for the showing the users who gives -Karma or +karma. And also if you notice I have already created a thread like this in general board section in the afternoon before this thread. And you can see it from the link below https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317206.msg1491866#msg1491866.
My apologies for not seeing your topic on this issue, I will take a minute and read your topic as well.
I am ok with not seeing who left the mark, but if you want a member to grow and learn I think they need to have a feeling of what is good or bad. If you see a post with a ton of +karma you can see that others on the forum agree that it's a good topic and informative. If you see a post with a load of - karma then many disagree with the content and users will know to refrain from posting that type of info.
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Reading the noti that I got it says follow the rules (check), keep posting good, helpful topic (check) to avoid getting neg karma. OK now the question is, how do I know where I am misbehaving, breaking rules, or being aggressive if I have no clue who gave me the neg karma or what post the neg karma was given to? How can I be better about whatever issue someone had, if I don't know the issue that person had.
I am of the opinion that who and when you were given + or - karma should be public knowledge. I see no reason to keep it hidden honestly. If it's hidden what's the point in having it?
Why the info is not public, because it would destroy what we are trying to achieve, which is having a friendly and positive community.
As you can see there is no easy way to find who gave karma, due precisely to that.
There is no reason to keep how much postive / negative karma a post received. You can keep the identity of the person who gave the karma anonymous, but the post should contain +5 -1 , or something like that.
This is how users would know what community like and what it doesn't.
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My apologies for not seeing your topic on this issue, I will take a minute and read your topic as well.
I am ok with not seeing who left the mark, but if you want a member to grow and learn I think they need to have a feeling of what is good or bad. If you see a post with a ton of +karma you can see that others on the forum agree that it's a good topic and informative. If you see a post with a load of - karma then many disagree with the content and users will know to refrain from posting that type of info.
The two topics are opposite, though they are synonymous but you don't have to apologize because you made a good contribution to the -Karma issue which have been raised by other users as well in the forum. And one thing here is that the sections and or boards numerous so to see a related topics is not easy and their are some boards that people are not visiting like that. And I also agreed with all your points. And I also said that the admin should add the link of the post which received the karma even though the name of the user is anonymous.
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Agree with bitmover,
however, there is a priority in things that are being done,
karma on posts, is among the things that i will try to make happen.
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Agree with bitmover,
however, there is a priority in things that are being done,
karma on posts, is among the things that i will try to make happen.
Nice that admin has head to this request.
Knowing the post that gave me the most number of +karma will make me to produce similar posts subsequently.
Knowing the one that gave me a -karma will make me desist from such post in the future.
Knowing who gave the karma is not necessary to avoid the drama freeman talked about.
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I also agree with the idea of showing the history of karmas histories, first time I asked my self why was it hidden but just kept quiet for others who are above me to raise an alarm, so I am happy and also 💯 agreed that the KARMA history should be shown for others to see and also investigate if in any case we observe any suspicious growth in the forum.
We have to be disciplined and this is what can make many of us to be more discipline. Sometimes I can not even know who's given me karmas because I can not view the history which is bad, and this is why the altcoinstalkes telegram SuperNotifier can not also tell us who and who gave us KARMA (it sucks) so I am in support of this.
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Reading the noti that I got it says follow the rules (check), keep posting good, helpful topic (check) to avoid getting neg karma.
Now i felt guilt after putting this :-\ But yeah, those words/advice comes from the admin Karma's descriptions posts so i feel like putting it. But i'm still open for suggestions for that though.
Just like that, I remember yesterday, seeing Ognasty asking on the teleport thread, no other posts but given a negative karma, its hilarious and the same time harsh.
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I see no reason to keep it hidden honestly. If it's hidden what's the point in having it?
I see no reason to have karma publicly seen, unless this was abused by group of members.
Just look what is happening in bitcointalk forum with members sending negative and positive feedback, and then comes retaliation, threats and lot of negativity.
And I think someone said that you can see karma senders here if you burn tokens., but I dont want to waste time on this.
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I am of the opinion that who and when you were given + or - karma should be public knowledge. I see no reason to keep it hidden honestly. If it's hidden what's the point in having it?
+1 for you because you have provided useful information about yourself trying to be better on the forum but there are members who are nosy to you and give -karma.
I have experienced your position like that since I was still in the altcoinstalks forum, maybe when I was still a Full Member or below, more precisely I forgot again.
Usually the member who gives -karma to you will also get -karma from other members because his daily life is like that. Naturally, in terms of his posts, it will be seen that he has been attacking, aggressive and causing chaos in the forum.
In the past, I was sad and didn't know who gave the -karma, but I PM the admin and said what really happened.
And the admin gave me +karma back, that's proof that I didn't break the rules on the altcoinstalks forum.
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Agree with bitmover,
however, there is a priority in things that are being done,
karma on posts, is among the things that i will try to make happen.
Hi Admin
+/- karmas on posts = poison
Users posting what they think will get the most karmas,
Users posting it in the way they think it’ll get most karmas,
Users avoiding posting something out of fear of landing in the crosshair of downvoting trolls
- 1 to her post because yesterday she contradicted me in a way I didn’t like.
- 1 to his post because I don’t like him.
+1 karma to your post because we are friends, I expect the same loyalty from you
Squad behaviour
- 1 karma to him because he belongs to the other group
+1 to him because he belongs to us
Hey, that one must be punished. Let’s go after him. Let’s go to his posting history and downgrade a couple of his postings.
Karma mobbing
I can’t imagine people not having enough social media experience to not foresee the outcomes of +/- on posts:
1) Toxic environment
2) Low posting quality
3) Lower participation
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This is how users would know what community like and what it doesn't.
Exactly, so...
... Users writing only what they think „community“ will like.
... Users avoiding posting what they think „community“ won’t like.
... „Community“ punishing those who don’t align.
... „Community“ rewarding those who align.
If you have some experience with forums where those functionalities where deployed, you know what I’m talking about.
So if this is what you want, then go ahead with the +/- karma on posts,
and if you want just 50% of this ****, leave the - and integrate only the +
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Hi Admin
+/- karmas on posts = poison
Users posting what they think will get the most karmas,
Users posting it in the way they think it’ll get most karmas,
Users avoiding posting something out of fear of landing in the crosshair of downvoting trolls
- 1 to her post because yesterday she contradicted me in a way I didn’t like.
- 1 to his post because I don’t like him.
+1 karma to your post because we are friends, I expect the same loyalty from you
Squad behaviour
- 1 karma to him because he belongs to the other group
+1 to him because he belongs to us
Hey, that one must be punished. Let’s go after him. Let’s go to his posting history and downgrade a couple of his postings.
Karma mobbing
I can’t imagine people not having enough social media experience to not foresee the outcomes of +/- on posts:
1) Toxic environment
2) Low posting quality
3) Lower participation
Basically all forums in the internet have this.
Stackoverflow, reddit, bitcointalk.org, even Facebook and Instagram.
It is an easy way to identify good content and ignore bad content.
This is how intrtnet works man
It will reduce spam and reward good content
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I did not know that the notification bot can track karma change, that's nice.
Just to be clear the notification bot is created by a 3rd party and have general advice.
the karma given can be because of anything, someone can simply not like you.
Why the info is not public, because it would destroy what we are trying to achieve, which is having a friendly and positive community.
As you can see there is no easy way to find who gave karma, due precisely to that.
I checked the log, i can tell you, it was given by a member who might have misunderstood you, as his English understanding is limited.
+1 Karma to bring back positive vibes to you ;)
apparently the developer who is maintaining the bot succeeded, I get the karma changes
clearly I don't know who gives me this more or less karma, but the notification is perfect and helps to understand almost in real time what you did well or what you did badly
✨ You received 1 Positive Karma. Total received Karma 25.
Keep posting good and helpful topic to get more Positive Karma.
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Basically all forums in the internet have this.
Stackoverflow, reddit, bitcointalk.org, even Facebook and Instagram.
This is how intrtnet works man
Well, unlike you I don't care about the internet Bitmover
nor about Stackoverflow, reddit, bitcointalk.org, even Facebook and Instagram.
I care only about this community
It is an easy way to identify good content and ignore bad content.
says you
It will reduce spam and reward good content
It will promote squad behaviour
Btw, who will decide about what is spam and what is acceptable content?
The community?
The majority?
... or rather - as usually happens - a bunch of loud and aggressive bullies?
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Btw, who will decide about what is spam and what is acceptable content?
The community?
The majority?
... or rather - as usually happens - a bunch of loud and aggressive bullies?
Aggressive bullies , such as yourself , will only be able to -1, while the majority can make much more +100, +300 etc. As you can see in stackoverflow and reddit for example
This works everywhere, you dont need to be convinced. Karma also works here, as users who produce low quality content or have low activity already have low karma.
This will only allow more transparency and visibility to good content.
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- 1 to her post because yesterday she contradicted me in a way I didn’t like.
- 1 to his post because I don’t like him.
+1 karma to your post because we are friends, I expect the same loyalty from you
Squad behaviour
- 1 karma to him because he belongs to the other group
+1 to him because he belongs to us
Hey, that one must be punished. Let’s go after him. Let’s go to his posting history and downgrade a couple of his postings.
Karma mobbing
With what @bitmover suggested above I don’t think it will be possible to exhibit squad behavior when you can’t tell who gave you the negative or positive karma. According to what was suggested above, karma number should be displayed on the post (both negative and positive) without displaying the user it’s coming, that way you won’t be able to decipher who liked the post.
If you go to the “teleportation thread” you’ll see some users that have never made a single post aside applying for campaign being given negative karma and with the current system you really can’t tell if they got it from their application post or directly from the post on the teleportation thread.
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With what @bitmover suggested above I don’t think it will be possible to exhibit squad behavior when you can’t tell who gave you the negative or positive karma.
Anonymity or nonimity are irrelevant.
Group get built out of interactions: ideological similarities, agreements, sympathies etc.
That's normal.
Give those groups a weapon like Like/Dislike and some of them turn into squads
There are studies about the effects of the Like/Dislike features within internet communities.
There are surveys asking people how the feel when they participate in internet forums with those features.
Maybe reading them isn’t a bad idea.
Admin wants traffic.
He wants traffic because traffic means money.
I have an idea
Users who want to karma have to pay.
You buy the karmas that you want to deploy.
So those users who love so much to judge and vote other users can pay and enjoy themselves
Admin happy
Judges happy
Everybody happy
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Btw, who will decide about what is spam and what is acceptable content?
The community?
The majority?
... or rather - as usually happens - a bunch of loud and aggressive bullies?
Aggressive bullies , such as yourself
Don't insult other users bitmover
I didn't insult you
Don't think that I can't
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ℹ️ Peter90, double posting is now allowed on the forum. Use Insert Quote option while you write a post or a Modify button after you published it to add an answer to someone else. You can answer all users in the one post.
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double posting is now allowed on the forum. Use Insert Quote option while you write a post or a Modify button after you published it to add an answer to someone else. You can answer all users in the one post.
Talking about double posting or posting multiple posts in a row, does this rule fall the same thing for those OP of the thread? In btt the thread starter is exempted from this rule since the OP can make bumps and reserved posts, thus it make multiple posts in a row.
Also, can you quote the forum thread/url rule mentioning this? As i see nothing mentions on this https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=3171.0
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Talking about double posting or posting multiple posts in a row, does this rule fall the same thing for those OP of the thread? In btt the thread starter is exempted from this rule since the OP can make bumps and reserved posts, thus it make multiple posts in a row.
Next post is okay for everyone if about 24 hours are over after the previous post (if we talk about "bump posts"). Reserve posts can be okay also if they are reasonable.
Also, can you quote the forum thread/url rule mentioning this? As i see nothing mentions on this https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=3171.0
If you will read the explanation (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=13796.0) of the low quality posting rule, you'll see that it is incorrect to make posts "just to increase post count". Double posting is the same, you just artificially make lots of posts where one is enough.
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ℹ️ Peter90, double posting is now allowed on the forum. Use Insert Quote option while you write a post or a Modify button after you published it to add an answer to someone else. You can answer all users in the one post.
Thanks Jokers
I thought insulting other users was not allowed either.
I see that after insulting me this character just took away 1 karma from my profile.
Now imagine him having 5-7 buddies here.
Nice times ahead for this community
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I see that after insulting me this character just took away 1 karma from my profile.
Now imagine him having 5-7 buddies here.
Nice times ahead for this community
I can not only imagine, I vaguely remember the karma confrontation was years ago. There was a group of users who decided that it can be fun to abuse the karma system. All incorrect karma was rollbacked and the abusers got their penalties including the ban on changing karma of others.
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Aggressive bullies , such as yourself
Don't insult other users bitmover
I didn't insult you
Don't think that I can't
You are not insulting me, you are being aggressive with me.
"I don't care"
"I don't care about Internet " (lol ofc you do, you use it)
"Don't think I can't insult you"
Don't be aggressive if you dont want to be called aggressive. I am not being agreessive with you.
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If you will read the explanation (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=13796.0) of the low quality posting rule, you'll see that it is incorrect to make posts "just to increase post count". Double posting is the same, you just artificially make lots of posts where one is enough.
As mods, what are your standards when receiving reports like this? Will the post be removed/deleted or it will be merged in the first post? As I haven't seen yet posts that have mods notes about merging multiple posts.
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If you will read the explanation (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=13796.0) of the low quality posting rule, you'll see that it is incorrect to make posts "just to increase post count". Double posting is the same, you just artificially make lots of posts where one is enough.
As mods, what are your standards when receiving reports like this? Will the post be removed/deleted or it will be merged in the first post? As I haven't seen yet posts that have mods notes about merging multiple posts.
I have no option of merging posts, only global mods and above have such an option. I also prefer not to delete posts if they are not nonsense or not violating more rules. So I will warn in words that it is incorrect. If the user will ignore my warnings too often, he can get a registered warning. Very unlikely to get more strict penalties for this, only if combined with more examples of some bad behavior.
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Admin happy
Judges happy
Everybody happy
good idea ;D
however, you made many false assumptions.
If i only want traffic, i would easily have 10x the amount of traffic. Traffic does not mean and never meant a community.
Paying for karma ... would make people reluctant to grant it (positive or negative)
By the way, the rules we have are simple (no spam, no scam, no referrals outside ref section, no plagia, no link shortners, no shilling outside shill section, no account farms, no abuse of forum functionalities)
however there are a lot of behaviours that are not included in our rules (bullying, insults, aggressive ... ), for that reason you have karma, you think a post deserves + or - , you act without involving us.
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Guys, instead of fighting
check this video ;D
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I have also received negative karma a few times but I don't really know the reason that why someone sent me those negative karma because as far as I know I have never done something which others might consider wrong or harmful but still I got negative karma.
I think same happened with you, in fact most of us know that how good and reliable you're but still some people send negative karma to a user like you. I think this Karma system needs some changes otherwise even good members of the forum will get negative karma without any proper reasons.
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I have never done something which others might consider wrong or harmful but still I got negative karma.
I think same happened with you
The previous post in this topic is left by admin, he doesn't complain about negative karma. So whom are you answering? Your answer breaks the thread of a topic, anyone who will read it sequentially will find your post as annoying, because it is hard to understand to whom are you answering, there were more that 1 person who complained about negative karma in this topic. Don't be surprised if not respecting others you can get -karma. Especially if you answer the first post on a third page of a topic not taking in account all other discussion. ???
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I see that after insulting me this character just took away 1 karma from my profile.
Now imagine him having 5-7 buddies here.
Nice times ahead for this community
Same thing happened after I made a reply on this thread - first I got a positive karma after a few minutes I got a notification of neg-karma and since karma isn’t public I can’t tell which of my post earned me the neg-karma. And I don’t intend to start witch-hunting anyone.
Btw, I have restored the karma that was taken from your profile.
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I think some people might live in fear due to their real life situations. Corruption might run rampant where they are and always has, so they think it must exist everywhere.
I've seen many mention on the other forum that they post from an alt account out of fear of retribution and now I am basically seeing the same thing said here as far as people might be afraid of groups forming. Noone should be afraid to have an opinion, this is an online forum, not your everyday life where standing up for yourself might have bad consequences. If someone or a group of people toss a bunch of neg karma your way, take it to the forum court. I am sure the admin and judges will be happy to take a look and make a decision. We cannot live in fear.
Seeing a karma count is a positive thing IMO. Yes it could influence how some might post if they are chasing karma, but it's not the same as the DT trust system on the other forum. People in general just agree with your opinion, it doesn't make you the most trusted person here, or the best on this forum. or whatever. We are all just a part of a community and should want to know what we are doing good, or what we might improve on. Simple as that.
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I think some people might live in fear due to their real life situations. Corruption might run rampant where they are and always has, so they think it must exist everywhere.
I've seen many mention on the other forum that they post from an alt account out of fear of retribution and now I am basically seeing the same thing said here as far as people might be afraid of groups forming. Noone should be afraid to have an opinion, this is an online forum, not your everyday life where standing up for yourself might have bad consequences. If someone or a group of people toss a bunch of neg karma your way, take it to the forum court. I am sure the admin and judges will be happy to take a look and make a decision. We cannot live in fear.
Seeing a karma count is a positive thing IMO. Yes it could influence how some might post if they are chasing karma, but it's not the same as the DT trust system on the other forum. People in general just agree with your opinion, it doesn't make you the most trusted person here, or the best on this forum. or whatever. We are all just a part of a community and should want to know what we are doing good, or what we might improve on. Simple as that.
well said, our aim is not to live in fear of one less or one more karma, like the rating system in blackmirror
no let's give opinions let's give a hand, anyone who puts negative karma in retaliation is a child and as too many positive karmas are sanctioned too many negative karmas will certainly be sanctioned
the admin is very intelligent I saw and inclined towards peace
+1 karma for you yahoo
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I see that after insulting me this character just took away 1 karma from my profile.
Now imagine him having 5-7 buddies here.
Nice times ahead for this community
I can not only imagine, I vaguely remember the karma confrontation was years ago. There was a group of users who decided that it can be fun to abuse the karma system. All incorrect karma was rollbacked and the abusers got their penalties including the ban on changing karma of others.
because they were amateurs
3-4 buddies, coordinating outside Altcoins,
each one hits 2-3x/week
Downvoting dilution is key
Hit posts from different places and different time (use target's posting history for that)
Even if mods have energy to look into it (doubt that), trolls can go "It was honest downvoting. I simply didn't like those posts"
They call it plausible deniability
With a profile like mine, 3-4 weeks and you have bombed target's karma score down to 0
Give your buddies high 5, take care of your hard-on and over to the next target.
Strategy can be applied to different targets at the same time
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I see that after insulting me this character just took away 1 karma from my profile.
Now imagine him having 5-7 buddies here.
Nice times ahead for this community
I can not only imagine, I vaguely remember the karma confrontation was years ago. There was a group of users who decided that it can be fun to abuse the karma system. All incorrect karma was rollbacked and the abusers got their penalties including the ban on changing karma of others.
because they were amateurs
3-4 buddies, coordinating outside Altcoins,
each one hits 2-3x/week
Downvoting dilution is key
Hit posts from different places and different time (use target's posting history for that)
Even if mods have energy to look into it (doubt that), trolls can go "It was honest downvoting. I simply didn't like those posts"
They call it plausible deniability
With a profile like mine, 3-4 weeks and you have bombed target's karma score down to 0
Give your buddies high 5, take care of your hard-on and over to the next target.
Strategy can be applied to different targets at the same time
I can see everything, and have already identified this pattern multiple times, i don't have yet the time to deal with these users, but soon.
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I think some people might live in fear due to their real life situations. Corruption might run rampant where they are and always has, so they think it must exist everywhere.
I've seen many mention on the other forum that they post from an alt account out of fear of retribution and now I am basically seeing the same thing said here as far as people might be afraid of groups forming. Noone should be afraid to have an opinion, this is an online forum, not your everyday life where standing up for yourself might have bad consequences. If someone or a group of people toss a bunch of neg karma your way, take it to the forum court. I am sure the admin and judges will be happy to take a look and make a decision. We cannot live in fear.
Seeing a karma count is a positive thing IMO. Yes it could influence how some might post if they are chasing karma, but it's not the same as the DT trust system on the other forum. People in general just agree with your opinion, it doesn't make you the most trusted person here, or the best on this forum. or whatever. We are all just a part of a community and should want to know what we are doing good, or what we might improve on. Simple as that.
Hi yahoo
we are talking about different things: you're describing how an ideal community should work, I describe what me and other people saw.
I agree 100% in everything you say, and I'm aware that pointing to hard reality can be less pleasant than describing how an ideal community led by peace, love and rationality would work.
Yesterday I mentioned surveys and reports about the effects of these public judging gadgets
(https://i.ibb.co/9vR3WXz/3.png)
The ultimate question is this: do Like/Dislike features increase or decrease average post quality and participation?
They decrease both, because
Many users post what they think will get the most karmas,
Many users post it in the way they think it’ll get most karmas,
Many users avoid posting something out of fear of landing in the crosshair of downvoting trolls
I start quoting myself... means I've nothing more to say on the subject :D
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I did get a +Karma notification from the bot, from a user this morning or yesterday night, I actually thought the username of the person who gave it was there, but coming on here and seeing this thread reminded me of that notification, I went back to check and discovered for sure, that there was no mention of who the Karma came from, or which of my posts got the +Karma.
I personally have actually thought about this same thing, like op said, being able to see who gave negative or positive Karma, but after thinking about the problem that could cause for some users, and the hate it could possibly ignite, I saw reasons why not making the person who gave negative or positive karma public is a good idea.
But like bitmover have suggested, i support that we should atleast be able to see or know our posts the got the positive or negative Karma, this way, we could re-read such post to see or learn why someone likes or dislikes it, through and depending on what type of karma is given.
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I did get a +Karma notification from the bot, from a user this morning or yesterday night, I actually thought the username of the person who gave it was there, but coming on here and seeing this thread reminded me of that notification, I went back to check and discovered for sure, that there was no mention of who the Karma came from, or which of my posts got the +Karma.
I personally have actually thought about this same thing, like op said, being able to see who gave negative or positive Karma, but after thinking about the problem that could cause for some users, and the hate it could possibly ignite, I saw reasons why not making the person who gave negative or positive karma public is a good idea.
But like bitmover have suggested, i support that we should atleast be able to see or know our posts the got the positive or negative Karma, this way, we could re-read such post to see or learn why someone likes or dislikes it, through and depending on what type of karma is given.
Knowing who sent the +/- would def be something that could create issues and grudges. That's why I think it would be better just to see a score per post. A lot less drama to deal with IMO if done in this fashion.
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So far, I have not received negative karma (but not too much positive either), even though I am relatively new to the forum. Given that, like many others, I was "teleported" from another forum that has a different system of evaluating (rewarding) posts, I can say that I would like it more if there was only positive karma by which users would reward good and quality posts.
Bad karma is not entirely a bad thing, but as we see, it very often causes such dramas. For example, I would suggest that bad karma can be obtained if at least 3 different users (or some other number) think that a post deserves it. Of course, admins and global mods could be exempted from this rule.
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Now I'll tell you something: I have often witnessed diatribes on evaluation in other places too.
Let's say that if we make time go on forever then the ratings will be more or less truthful, I don't worry and you shouldn't worry about karma or likes or any rating system, write, be kind and tolerant and let's all get along In the end we are here to talk and exchange opinions, everyone has their own and no one should try to convince anyone else.
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There's a need to have who gives the -ve and -ve karma known to public knowledge and an example for such reasons is the negative karma given to op. If it is hidden, one can easily abuse it by witch hunting a fellow member or use it for his own personal gains. I don't know if this has been thought of, but if one has multiple accounts, one can use the other account and be giving himself +ve karma to make it look like he's getting rewarded for his contribution on the forum.
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After reading the topic and the responses complete, I have a question and a suggestion:
My question: What happens if someone pressed a negative Karma button by mistake? Can this process be removed if it occurred by mistake?
My suggestion: Why do we not make giving negative karma a little more difficult, for example when press the negative karma button, a dialog is asked to write a convincing reason to give a negative Karma with a warning of misuse of the system, if he is serious and write the reason and the press send or OK then it will be given a negative Karma with sending a message to the member tells him the reason for obtaining a negative Karma.
We can get several benefits of that: some annoyers stop playing and pressing a negative Karma button without responsibility. Also, the intended member gets a message showing the reason for obtaining a negative Karma and also will help the Mods of their work when submitting a complaint regarding negative karma.
This is just a suggestion and it is possible to have defects and I do not know if its application is possible in terms of technical aspect. But at least it can reduce giving negative Karma without a convincing reason.
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After reading the topic and the responses complete, I have a question and a suggestion:
My question: What happens if someone pressed a negative Karma button by mistake? Can this process be removed if it occurred by mistake?
My suggestion: Why do we not make giving negative karma a little more difficult, for example when press the negative karma button, a dialog is asked to write a convincing reason to give a negative Karma with a warning of misuse of the system, if he is serious and write the reason and the press send or OK then it will be given a negative Karma with sending a message to the member tells him the reason for obtaining a negative Karma.
We can get several benefits of that: some annoyers stop playing and pressing a negative Karma button without responsibility. Also, the intended member gets a message showing the reason for obtaining a negative Karma and also will help the Mods of their work when submitting a complaint regarding negative karma.
This is just a suggestion and it is possible to have defects and I do not know if its application is possible in terms of technical aspect. But at least it can reduce giving negative Karma without a convincing reason.
this is a good idea, a good proposal
from a code point of view you just need to add a "confim" on the javascript side, so it's not even too complicated
furthermore, anyone who presses by mistake can still go back
good idea
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this is a good idea, a good proposal
from a code point of view you just need to add a "confim" on the javascript side, so it's not even too complicated
furthermore, anyone who presses by mistake can still go back
good idea
Thank you, I think it would be a good idea.
I was thinking about what would happen if someone accidentally pressed the negative karma button and this idea came to my mind. In addition this method will prevent negative karma from being accidentally pressed. It will also reduce cases of giving negative karma without an acceptable reason.
I do not expect that adding it programmatically will be that difficult, but first of all I hope that the administrators will like it.
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confirming javascript takes just 2 minutes, it's a check you do client side precisely in cases where the user inadvertently presses a link, this system is widely used by those, like me, between frontends with javascript
of course is easy to put in site and dont need any security check
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There's a need to have who gives the -ve and -ve karma known to public knowledge and an example for such reasons is the negative karma given to op. If it is hidden, one can easily abuse it by witch hunting a fellow member or use it for his own personal gains. I don't know if this has been thought of, but if one has multiple accounts, one can use the other account and be giving himself +ve karma to make it look like he's getting rewarded for his contribution on the forum.
It is an abuse of karma system and the abuser will get different penalties starting with karma reset and losing an option of changing karma of others and ending with different negative badges.
Having undeclared (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=33059.0) multiple accounts is a separate violation and is punished with marking all found multiple accounts as duplicated, including the main one.
After reading the topic and the responses complete, I have a question and a suggestion:
My question: What happens if someone pressed a negative Karma button by mistake? Can this process be removed if it occurred by mistake?
If you found that you gave -karma by a mistake you can the same moment give +karma and the receiver will get +2 karma, one in compensation of -karma he got and one additional like if you gave him +karma from the beginning.
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I have seen where Negative karma is described as Negative karma is given to users who are misbehaving, breaking the rules, being aggressive or disruptive to the forum. This can be found in this topic https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
I pop on a few times a day and make a post or 2. Where I post varies, I like the forum section and I like the gambling section mostly. I also have the notification bot enabled to let me know if someone has mentioned me in a reply so I can read their reply and respond if needed. Today the bot went off with this message You received -1 Negative Karma. Total received Karma 94.
Follow the rules, and keep posting good, helpful topic to avoid getting Negative Karma.
Negative karma is given in this forum if the post is not up to standards. But yahoo62278 is a reputable member, so I don't think it's acceptable for his post to be wrong. So it gave him negative karma so it would have been better if a person had seen it. Admin requested to update it of course. Karma negative or positive will give such an image to emerge and that will be most appropriate.
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I have seen where Negative karma is described as Negative karma is given to users who are misbehaving, breaking the rules, being aggressive or disruptive to the forum. This can be found in this topic https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
I pop on a few times a day and make a post or 2. Where I post varies, I like the forum section and I like the gambling section mostly. I also have the notification bot enabled to let me know if someone has mentioned me in a reply so I can read their reply and respond if needed. Today the bot went off with this message You received -1 Negative Karma. Total received Karma 94.
Follow the rules, and keep posting good, helpful topic to avoid getting Negative Karma.
Negative karma is given in this forum if the post is not up to standards. But yahoo62278 is a reputable member, so I don't think it's acceptable for his post to be wrong. So it gave him negative karma so it would have been better if a person had seen it. Admin requested to update it of course. Karma negative or positive will give such an image to emerge and that will be most appropriate.
Even reputable members can make a bad post now and then. We aren't perfect, we have just built a reputation and gained the respect of most in the communities we are a part of.
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Even reputable members can make a bad post now and then. We aren't perfect, we have just built a reputation and gained the respect of most in the communities we are a part of.
That's the point, no one is perfect
as happens outside, for example, with restaurant reviews on Tripadvisor
no one is perfect, using the punitive method to fix bad behavior doesn't work, just talk
if he is a repeat offender it's another matter, I'm the type of person who talks about face 2 face person with whom I feel annoyed or uncomfortable in order to understand how to resolve the matter together
What's the point of giving away negative karma? for nothing only to foment hatred
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After reading the topic and the responses complete, I have a question and a suggestion:
My question: What happens if someone pressed a negative Karma button by mistake? Can this process be removed if it occurred by mistake?
My suggestion: Why do we not make giving negative karma a little more difficult, for example when press the negative karma button, a dialog is asked to write a convincing reason to give a negative Karma with a warning of misuse of the system, if he is serious and write the reason and the press send or OK then it will be given a negative Karma with sending a message to the member tells him the reason for obtaining a negative Karma.
We can get several benefits of that: some annoyers stop playing and pressing a negative Karma button without responsibility. Also, the intended member gets a message showing the reason for obtaining a negative Karma and also will help the Mods of their work when submitting a complaint regarding negative karma.
This is just a suggestion and it is possible to have defects and I do not know if its application is possible in terms of technical aspect. But at least it can reduce giving negative Karma without a convincing reason.
In the way you propose, negative karma would be associated with a reason and could be kept in a log. That would make it easier to review and in case the reason for issuing that negative karma didn't make sense or was invalid, the karma could be restored as positive karma. That would mean more work for moderators and the administrator, but I think it's a good proposal after all, it could be a good measure to prevent some coordinated group from abusing the karma of other users. I guess we first have to wait for the admin to make a karma counter possible on posts.
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In the way you propose, negative karma would be associated with a reason and could be kept in a log. That would make it easier to review and in case the reason for issuing that negative karma didn't make sense or was invalid, the karma could be restored as positive karma. That would mean more work for moderators and the administrator, but I think it's a good proposal after all, it could be a good measure to prevent some coordinated group from abusing the karma of other users. I guess we first have to wait for the admin to make a karma counter possible on posts.
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Thank you. I'm glad you liked the suggestion. I hope the moderator will find it approving as well.
It is true that this means more work for moderators and administrators, but at the same time it will be a good solution to prevent accidentally pressing the -Karma button. It will also be useful in reducing the abuse of Karma, in addition to it will be very useful for moderators when investigating requests for abuse and disputes between members.
I also expect that it will not be necessary for moderators to look at every instance of giving negative karma except when there is abuse of the system or a complaint made by a member regarding negative karma.
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If you found that you gave -karma by a mistake you can the same moment give +karma and the receiver will get +2 karma, one in compensation of -karma he got and one additional like if you gave him +karma from the beginning.
Sorry for the notification you might have received concerning the negative karma. I just had to try and see if it’s true - I thought pressing the +ve karma after accidentally hitting -ve karma only counter the -ve, I had no idea that it sends and extra +ve karma to that user.
I checked and it worked.
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Agree with bitmover,
however, there is a priority in things that are being done,
karma on posts, is among the things that i will try to make happen.
yeah that would be more better so that you can be able to recognise the particular post that received that received karma's. And if it's negative karma you can check the post well and look for the offends you may have caused that lead to you having negative karma the first place.
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Even reputable members can make a bad post now and then. We aren't perfect, we have just built a reputation and gained the respect of most in the communities we are a part of.
It doesn't have to be a bad post, I think it's more of a problem if someone is very direct and expresses his opinion without flattering others.
People hardly accept criticism, even if it is well-intentioned.
p.s. It seems to me that you have received more -karma in the meantime. :-\
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Even reputable members can make a bad post now and then. We aren't perfect, we have just built a reputation and gained the respect of most in the communities we are a part of.
It doesn't have to be a bad post, I think it's more of a problem if someone is very direct and expresses his opinion without flattering others.
People hardly accept criticism, even if it is well-intentioned.
p.s. It seems to me that you have received more -karma in the meantime. :-\
this is the problem with voting, if the score then translates into a real advantage, well you understand how difficult it becomes to stop abuse or karma just because you express your opinion in a kind way
However, I still don't worry, I've been using the forums since 1998 and I'm now calm about it
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Even reputable members can make a bad post now and then. We aren't perfect, we have just built a reputation and gained the respect of most in the communities we are a part of.
It doesn't have to be a bad post, I think it's more of a problem if someone is very direct and expresses his opinion without flattering others.
People hardly accept criticism, even if it is well-intentioned.
p.s. It seems to me that you have received more -karma in the meantime. :-\
I also see no problem in receiving bad karma. Overall, if you make good contributions, your positive karma will be much higher.
People have to always agree with me. As i write a lot, some people will eventually give me negative karma as they can disagree. I don't think this bad for the account overall.
You will even get a negative karma badged lol
(https://www.altcoinstalks.com/badges/karma_bad.png)
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Thank you. I'm glad you liked the suggestion. I hope the moderator will find it approving as well.
It is true that this means more work for moderators and administrators, but at the same time it will be a good solution to prevent accidentally pressing the -Karma button. It will also be useful in reducing the abuse of Karma, in addition to it will be very useful for moderators when investigating requests for abuse and disputes between members.
I also expect that it will not be necessary for moderators to look at every instance of giving negative karma except when there is abuse of the system or a complaint made by a member regarding negative karma.
In theory, and technically speaking, the administrator should only enable one JavaScript function to be able to do this without problems. The problem could be the testing and the time required, but I suppose it is worth the time invested to control the abuses committed with karma and possible user errors. I guess we'll be able to add it to the to-do list soon if the admin agrees, but it would take a while to see this feature enabled due to the admin's workload.
Please, when you have time, make this proposal in Suggestion Box (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=358.0), If the initiative receives more support, I don't think the administrator will refuse to implement it.
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I think you guys might be misunderstanding the issue here. I am solidified on both forums, I do not worry about positive or negative karma overall as I usually post pretty relevant info and stay on topic without being too aggressive with my opinions. This is more for the users who are new to the forums, trying to be a voice so to speak for them. New guys are going to be disheartened when they see they got a new karma and have no clue why.
It's like leaving a neg on a user on bitcointalk without giving a reason just a . in the comments and no reference. People should know what they are doing right or wrong in some sense. You don't have to agree with my opinion, you're all free to think how you want.
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I think you guys might be misunderstanding the issue here. I am solidified on both forums, I do not worry about positive or negative karma overall as I usually post pretty relevant info and stay on topic without being too aggressive with my opinions. This is more for the users who are new to the forums, trying to be a voice so to speak for them. New guys are going to be disheartened when they see they got a new karma and have no clue why.
It's like leaving a neg on a user on bitcointalk without giving a reason just a . in the comments and no reference. People should know what they are doing right or wrong in some sense. You don't have to agree with my opinion, you're all free to think how you want.
I am convinced that negative reinforcement is not of much use, ok it can be a sort of weapon to use to worry others so as not to cause offense
like the peace due to the fact that everyone has the atomic bomb and no one uses it, it is used as a deterrent
but is this a good thing? I avoid all these political discussions because I don't have the time and honestly don't want to
I already have so many things to do in real life to look for problems, problems or drama in virtual life
this is my opinion, let's work together and love each other because we already have enough problems
+1 karma for u
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because they were amateurs
3-4 buddies, coordinating outside Altcoins,
each one hits 2-3x/week
Downvoting dilution is key
Hit posts from different places and different time (use target's posting history for that)
Even if mods have energy to look into it (doubt that), trolls can go "It was honest downvoting. I simply didn't like those posts"
They call it plausible deniability
With a profile like mine, 3-4 weeks and you have bombed target's karma score down to 0
Give your buddies high 5, take care of your hard-on and over to the next target.
Strategy can be applied to different targets at the same time
Remember that everything is in the logs, and also remember that although nothing is done now, it does not mean that it cannot be done later with the consequences that this may have for users who carry out this type of practices. It's not about energy, it's about time and knowing how to manage it. I think that putting order in the forum by eliminating spam and plagiarism is a priority in the face of karma attacks that can be carried out, something that has an easy solution by restoring the negative karma extracted from users for no reason and penalizing the authors.
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because they were amateurs
3-4 buddies, coordinating outside Altcoins,
each one hits 2-3x/week
Downvoting dilution is key
Hit posts from different places and different time (use target's posting history for that)
Even if mods have energy to look into it (doubt that), trolls can go "It was honest downvoting. I simply didn't like those posts"
They call it plausible deniability
With a profile like mine, 3-4 weeks and you have bombed target's karma score down to 0
Give your buddies high 5, take care of your hard-on and over to the next target.
Strategy can be applied to different targets at the same time
Remember that everything is in the logs, and also remember that although nothing is done now, it does not mean that it cannot be done later with the consequences that this may have for users who carry out this type of practices. It's not about energy, it's about time and knowing how to manage it. I think that putting order in the forum by eliminating spam and plagiarism is a priority in the face of karma attacks that can be carried out, something that has an easy solution by restoring the negative karma extracted from users for no reason and penalizing the authors.
Thanks Freemind
So, the point of the negative karma widget is eliminating spam and plagiarism, you say.
I think spam and plagiarism can be eliminated using the "report to moderator" widget.
No need of negative karma.
Truth is, penalizing widgets are usually integrated in order to eliminate trolls.
Through these widgets the community itself - without the mods - keeps the forum clean.
Self-moderation so to speak.
Auto-regulation
Less work for the mods.
I can understand why penalizing widgets are welcomed by admins and mods.
Downsides are
a) people get penalized simply because they represent alternative views (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1494240#msg1494240),
b) people penalize other people based on antipathy,
c) much worse: people suspect having been penalized based on antipathy (= poison spreading within the community)
d) people - particularly those with low score - don't take risks i.e. write only what they consider "safe" i.e. accepted by the community - or by the most aggressive users (low quality contributions),
e) people refrain from posting out of fear of getting penalized (low active participation).
This is what I have observed in other forums that deploy penalizing widgets.
Anyway, your forum, your rules.
Good luck!
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Downsides are
There is nothing perfect in this sublunary world! Each decision has its advantages and disadvantages.
Auto-regulation for community, right. And it is not just about "less work for the mods" (what is great, hate working!), it is a way for community to become a community, get some traditions. Yes, it has its own underwater stones, but everything has, just different...
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I think you guys might be misunderstanding the issue here. I am solidified on both forums, I do not worry about positive or negative karma overall as I usually post pretty relevant info and stay on topic without being too aggressive with my opinions. This is more for the users who are new to the forums, trying to be a voice so to speak for them. New guys are going to be disheartened when they see they got a new karma and have no clue why.
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Being Relevant in any discussion is best, despite having a little knowledge but what is discussed remains in the right line.
You are a Senior in both of these Forums and you set a good example for all beginners including me.
You are not selfish and not too aggressive in putting forward your own opinions, you will only tell that what is right and what should be done.
The negative karma on these forums may be the same as the red flags on Bitcointalk.
But in this forum it has not had much purpose and is still not influential enough.
Beginners who get negative Karma will certainly feel that they made a big mistake and anxiety will continue to come.
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I think you guys might be misunderstanding the issue here. I am solidified on both forums, I do not worry about positive or negative karma overall as I usually post pretty relevant info and stay on topic without being too aggressive with my opinions. This is more for the users who are new to the forums, trying to be a voice so to speak for them. New guys are going to be disheartened when they see they got a new karma and have no clue why.
It's like leaving a neg on a user on bitcointalk without giving a reason just a . in the comments and no reference. People should know what they are doing right or wrong in some sense. You don't have to agree with my opinion, you're all free to think how you want.
I agree with your opinion about this. If it's unnecessary, the usernames shouldn't be shown and only the amount of karma, either positive or negative, should be visible, even if it's not visible to the public, it should at least be visible for the user receiving them for them to get an idea about why they are getting them and on which posts, so that they can check their posts and try not to make the mistakes they might have done in the posts receiving negative karma.
As suggested, it's better if the amount of positive and negative karma is shown for each post for public reference for them to know which is a good and which is a bad post just like how merits in Bitcointalk show constructive posts and posters.
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I think you guys might be misunderstanding the issue here. I am solidified on both forums, I do not worry about positive or negative karma overall as I usually post pretty relevant info and stay on topic without being too aggressive with my opinions. This is more for the users who are new to the forums, trying to be a voice so to speak for them. New guys are going to be disheartened when they see they got a new karma and have no clue why.
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Being Relevant in any discussion is best, despite having a little knowledge but what is discussed remains in the right line.
You are a Senior in both of these Forums and you set a good example for all beginners including me.
You are not selfish and not too aggressive in putting forward your own opinions, you will only tell that what is right and what should be done.
The negative karma on these forums may be the same as the red flags on Bitcointalk.
But in this forum it has not had much purpose and is still not influential enough.
Beginners who get negative Karma will certainly feel that they made a big mistake and anxiety will continue to come.
No reason to get anxiety really though. If you keep getting negative karma, then you are obviously doing something people don't like or someone has it out for you, but the admins will step in if the latter is the case.
Let's say you are doing/posting things people don't agree with, take the time to learn and adapt. I think we need to see a number though so we can see what it is that people aren't liking. We cannot change if we don't know what to change.
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Thanks Freemind
So, the point of the negative karma widget is eliminating spam and plagiarism, you say.
You're welcome Peter90.
No. At no point have I said that karma eliminates spam or plagiarism, I think you should read my post again. What I said is that putting order in the forum is a priority. But positive or negative karma doesn't do that, the moderators do that. Negative karma shows users' disagreement with spam, plagiarism, or inappropriate behavior. Deleting, moving posts, penalizing and other things that users can't do is what we moderators do.
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There is nothing perfect in this sublunary world! Each decision has its advantages and disadvantages.
Jokers, you just forced me to go and look after that phrase... buried in my memories of another life... the life of an university student...
"In Aristotelian physics and Greek astronomy, the sublunary sphere is the region of the geocentric cosmos below the Moon, consisting of the four classical elements: earth, water, air, and fire.
The sublunary sphere was the realm of changing nature. Beginning with the Moon, up to the limits of the universe, everything (to classical astronomy) was permanent, regular and unchanging—the region of aether where the planets and stars are located. Only in the sublunary sphere did the powers of physics hold sway."
Who said there is no erudition to be found in crypto forums :D
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I don't know you before and this is the first time I am seeing you in the forum and you just deviate from the subject to another topic which is very far from the matter at hand. Yes a new phrase was used and you can just make little comment on that and come back to the subject. The subject matter is Karma analysis. And all the contributions should be on track. As you came back to the forum, how many karmas have you received and as you received the +karmas what did you notice? The forum has improved and developed in different ways and still developing. And what we the participants or the users of the forum needed is that let the thread or the post the -Karma or +karma is given should be included in the notification and that can only be done by the admin by showing the comments that received the karma. So you have to follow the trend.
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I have seen where Negative karma is described as Negative karma is given to users who are misbehaving, breaking the rules, being aggressive or disruptive to the forum. This can be found in this topic https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
I pop on a few times a day and make a post or 2. Where I post varies, I like the forum section and I like the gambling section mostly. I also have the notification bot enabled to let me know if someone has mentioned me in a reply so I can read their reply and respond if needed. Today the bot went off with this message You received -1 Negative Karma. Total received Karma 94.
Follow the rules, and keep posting good, helpful topic to avoid getting Negative Karma.
Normally I could care less who agrees or disagrees with my opinion as we are all different and everyone is never going to agree with a person all the time, but I am pretty sure I have tried not to be too aggressive or misbehave on here thus far.
Reading the noti that I got it says follow the rules (check), keep posting good, helpful topic (check) to avoid getting neg karma. OK now the question is, how do I know where I am misbehaving, breaking rules, or being aggressive if I have no clue who gave me the neg karma or what post the neg karma was given to? How can I be better about whatever issue someone had, if I don't know the issue that person had.
I am of the opinion that who and when you were given + or - karma should be public knowledge. I see no reason to keep it hidden honestly. If it's hidden what's the point in having it?
Wouldn't mind some constructive opinions on the topic and maybe I'll gain a different perspective on the topic.
I gree with you most people don't deserve they negative Krama given to them. Some of the people giving the negative Krama only feel on their own side of views that this post of the individual is not qualify and most of this person are not professional enough just have little IQ on cryptocurrency
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I have seen where Negative karma is described as Negative karma is given to users who are misbehaving, breaking the rules, being aggressive or disruptive to the forum. This can be found in this topic https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
I pop on a few times a day and make a post or 2. Where I post varies, I like the forum section and I like the gambling section mostly. I also have the notification bot enabled to let me know if someone has mentioned me in a reply so I can read their reply and respond if needed. Today the bot went off with this message You received -1 Negative Karma. Total received Karma 94.
Follow the rules, and keep posting good, helpful topic to avoid getting Negative Karma.
Normally I could care less who agrees or disagrees with my opinion as we are all different and everyone is never going to agree with a person all the time, but I am pretty sure I have tried not to be too aggressive or misbehave on here thus far.
Reading the noti that I got it says follow the rules (check), keep posting good, helpful topic (check) to avoid getting neg karma. OK now the question is, how do I know where I am misbehaving, breaking rules, or being aggressive if I have no clue who gave me the neg karma or what post the neg karma was given to? How can I be better about whatever issue someone had, if I don't know the issue that person had.
I am of the opinion that who and when you were given + or - karma should be public knowledge. I see no reason to keep it hidden honestly. If it's hidden what's the point in having it?
Wouldn't mind some constructive opinions on the topic and maybe I'll gain a different perspective on the topic.
I gree with you most people don't deserve they negative Krama given to them. Some of the people giving the negative Krama only feel on their own side of views that this post of the individual is not qualify and most of this person are not professional enough just have little IQ on cryptocurrency
I would rather a user that disagrees with my opinion to just scroll on by vs giving me a neg karma because we don't agree. That to me is promoting negativity.
Karma shouldn't be weaponized by anyone.
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I would rather a user that disagrees with my opinion to just scroll on by vs giving me a neg karma because we don't agree. That to me is promoting negativity.
Karma shouldn't be weaponized by anyone.
I agree 100% yahoo
on the other side, I don't know what is worse, to penalize a profile when he writes something you disagree with or to threaten someone to penalize his profile if he writes something you disagree with (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1494240#msg1494240) 8)
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I would rather a user that disagrees with my opinion to just scroll on by vs giving me a neg karma because we don't agree. That to me is promoting negativity.
Karma shouldn't be weaponized by anyone.
This is not just an admittance of being a loser or abusing the system because it is normal to disagree in some matter that we don't share beliefs or knowledge and with that if you cannot stand the disagreement and cannot protect your stand in that matter then why not just ignore that account or leave so there would never more discussion.
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I would rather a user that disagrees with my opinion to just scroll on by vs giving me a neg karma because we don't agree. That to me is promoting negativity.
Karma shouldn't be weaponized by anyone.
I agree 100% yahoo
on the other side, I don't know what is worse, to penalize a profile when he writes something you disagree with or to threaten someone to penalize his profile if he writes something you disagree with (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1494240#msg1494240) 8)
They are basically the same thing, giving someone a negative Karma to show your disagreement with their opinion is absolutely wrong, and also threatening to give someone a negative Karma if the post something you don't like or agree with is also very wrong.
But when it comes to a user spreading fake news, such user spreading the fake news actually deserves a negative Karma as a warning to him or her to desist from doing such, but this is if only and when there is a verifiable proof that is beyond all reasonable doubt, that what that user posted is fake news, because disagreeing with someone's post, does not mean that what that person shared is fake news, you have to have clear and undoubtable proof or evidence that what the user shared is a fake news, and this proof or evidence have to be accepted by atleast, two or more users, before you giving that person a negative Karma can be justifiable.
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I would rather a user that disagrees with my opinion to just scroll on by vs giving me a neg karma because we don't agree. That to me is promoting negativity.
Karma shouldn't be weaponized by anyone.
I agree 100% yahoo
on the other side, I don't know what is worse, to penalize a profile when he writes something you disagree with or to threaten someone to penalize his profile if he writes something you disagree with (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1494240#msg1494240) 8)
The op must know that, somewhere that made a mistake. And got the gift of karma but my question is and know where did everyone go wrong and got negative karma on what subject. If you get a negative karma gift how do you know what post you got on and where you went wrong?
Do you find room for improvement?
This topic is created to express that.
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I would rather a user that disagrees with my opinion to just scroll on by vs giving me a neg karma because we don't agree. That to me is promoting negativity.
Karma shouldn't be weaponized by anyone.
I agree 100% yahoo
on the other side, I don't know what is worse, to penalize a profile when he writes something you disagree with or to threaten someone to penalize his profile if he writes something you disagree with (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1494240#msg1494240) 8)
The op must know that, somewhere that made a mistake. And got the gift of karma but my question is and know where did everyone go wrong and got negative karma on what subject. If you get a negative karma gift how do you know what post you got on and where you went wrong?
Do you find room for improvement?
This topic is created to express that.
This question must be asked to the admin to get a proper answer. As more forum updates and Karma ke dil kon poste dil views must be seen. If the admin updates it, then it will be possible to spot these mistakes very easily.
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This question must be asked to the admin to get a proper answer. As more forum updates and Karma ke dil kon poste dil views must be seen. If the admin updates it, then it will be possible to spot these mistakes very easily.
admin already stated that pointing which post got +karma or -karma is in his to do list, but this list is long, so let's be patient and wait for the implementation of this feature. ;)
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I'm also afraid of getting negative karma, I know I'm not the only one. even if we follow Rules/guidelines and even though you did nothing wrong, there are other people who don't like your post, or don't like yours.we don't even know who will give us negative karma because there are no mechanics in the forum to know who is giving. that's why we're just being careful with what we post so that no one gets offended. I hope I don't get negative karma now and in the future
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I'm also afraid of getting negative karma, I know I'm not the only one. even if we follow Rules/guidelines and even though you did nothing wrong, there are other people who don't like your post, or don't like yours.we don't even know who will give us negative karma because there are no mechanics in the forum to know who is giving. that's why we're just being careful with what we post so that no one gets offended. I hope I don't get negative karma now and in the future
I think you place too much importance (as other users do) on receiving negative karma, and it's actually not that serious. Any user can give negative karma to another, for ethical reasons or not, but you can also receive positive karma for contributing to the forum and creating interesting conversations. There are much worse things than receiving negative karma, such as having the red dot on the profile (zoom 1) for not declaring multiple accounts on the forum. That, among other things, will make it impossible for the user to participate in signature campaigns...
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There are much worse things than receiving negative karma, such as having the red dot on the profile (zoom 1) for not declaring multiple accounts on the forum. That, among other things, will make it impossible for the user to participate in signature campaigns...
Exactly. The red bar on a profile speaks more louder than the -Karma itself. Though when you received -Karma it is painful but when you do well and create good content then when more positive karmas inflow then your negative karma you were angry with would be a thing of the past. But the red bar has different interpretation about the user. Probably he is spammer, shitposter, scammer etc. And the worst of them all you can't use the account to participate in signature campaigns, and bounty hunting.
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I agree with this, for one to know who gave them negative or positive karma and for what reason they are given the karma.
I have been trying to ask this, but thank goodness you did, so that it can be looked into to make functioning by knowing who and who gave you karma. It is really somehow for someone not to know who gave them a positive or negative without knowing the reason for it.
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This might have been discussed here but I think I need to drop my input. So, some days ago, I was just taking my time here and all of a sudden I just got a telegram notification to that I have received a negative karma and I should improve my post. That's fine but can I atleast know the post that was given the negative karma atleast? This is not too much to ask for right?
If Admin allow this and implement it, people will know where the negative energy is coming from and perhaps if there is a reason to ask public about why the post was given a negative, it can be look upon and this will stop people that might be playing around with karma hate.
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This might have been discussed here but I think I need to drop my input. So, some days ago, I was just taking my time here and all of a sudden I just got a telegram notification to that I have received a negative karma and I should improve my post. That's fine but can I atleast know the post that was given the negative karma atleast? This is not too much to ask for right?
If Admin allow this and implement it, people will know where the negative energy is coming from and perhaps if there is a reason to ask public about why the post was given a negative, it can be look upon and this will stop people that might be playing around with karma hate.
It was already mentioned that the administrator is working on a karma counter that will appear in each posts to know which of them has the best and worst results. There is no official release date yet, so you will have to be patient, but don't worry, it will be a fact.
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This might have been discussed here but I think I need to drop my input. So, some days ago, I was just taking my time here and all of a sudden I just got a telegram notification to that I have received a negative karma and I should improve my post. That's fine but can I atleast know the post that was given the negative karma atleast? This is not too much to ask for right?
If Admin allow this and implement it, people will know where the negative energy is coming from and perhaps if there is a reason to ask public about why the post was given a negative, it can be look upon and this will stop people that might be playing around with karma hate.
It was already mentioned that the administrator is working on a karma counter that will appear in each posts to know which of them has the best and worst results. There is no official release date yet, so you will have to be patient, but don't worry, it will be a fact.
Would be nice and helpful too, so that one can be able identify the reason he or his where given a negative karma and would be able to know how to prevent such from happening again without knowing the users that gave he or she the -karma . Like back then the admin mentioned something like , his aim of not reviewing karma sender is to prevent karma war and to secure a peaceful community.
Well i just hope that the feature of being able to see the post that received karma , should come very soon.
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Exactly. The red bar on a profile speaks more louder than the -Karma itself. Though when you received -Karma it is painful but when you do well and create good content then when more positive karmas inflow then your negative karma you were angry with would be a thing of the past. But the red bar has different interpretation about the user. Probably he is spammer, shitposter, scammer etc. And the worst of them all you can't use the account to participate in signature campaigns, and bounty hunting.
Getting positive karma is infinitely easier in time and effort than removing the red dot from the profile. I've read numerous posts from users "scared" of receiving negative karma, and it's something that is hard for me to understand, because receiving positive karma is not difficult. Let's make quality posts, let's help other users, let's listen to those who think differently from us... Keeping an open mind not only allows us to help, but it also keeps us learning.
I think the best thing is that even if they have the red dot on the profile, the affected users have the possibility to show that they want to change their behavior, and that over time, the red dot can disappear from their profiles. So no one will have an excuse not to try to improve.
I don't know exactly when that will be, but we'll have an update on the quality bar soon.
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There are much worse things than receiving negative karma, such as having the red dot on the profile (zoom 1) for not declaring multiple accounts on the forum. That, among other things, will make it impossible for the user to participate in signature campaigns...
Exactly. The red bar on a profile speaks more louder than the -Karma itself. Though when you received -Karma it is painful but when you do well and create good content then when more positive karmas inflow then your negative karma you were angry with would be a thing of the past. But the red bar has different interpretation about the user. Probably he is spammer, shitposter, scammer etc. And the worst of them all you can't use the account to participate in signature campaigns, and bounty hunting.
but as the forum becomes bigger you have to somehow take action, since otherwise you risk chaos
the idea of red dots is excellent, those who deliberately spam are punished and those who write quality are rewarded with blue dots
Well done to whoever had this idea
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There are much worse things than receiving negative karma, such as having the red dot on the profile (zoom 1) for not declaring multiple accounts on the forum. That, among other things, will make it impossible for the user to participate in signature campaigns...
Exactly. The red bar on a profile speaks more louder than the -Karma itself. Though when you received -Karma it is painful but when you do well and create good content then when more positive karmas inflow then your negative karma you were angry with would be a thing of the past. But the red bar has different interpretation about the user. Probably he is spammer, shitposter, scammer etc. And the worst of them all you can't use the account to participate in signature campaigns, and bounty hunting.
You are absolutely right, I think sometime last week or last upper week, I in a row, received like 2 or 3 negative Karma, possibly for my thraad on my suggestion to the admin to scrap the Negative Karma system and let users only use the report feature instead of giving users negative Karma, this suggestion I believe didnt sit well with some forum users, but instead of them commenting their disagreement and moving on, some went ahead to give me a negative karma, it was actually painful watching my earned positive karma drop 2 to 3 times in a row, but I completely just ignored it.
Today, those positive karma I lost, I've earned them all back again, which indeed shows that, it's perfectly better to lose karma, then do what will you get the red dot, for actually, it's completely over for any account that gets the red dot, yeah, the user can still post and participate in discussions on this forum, but he or she will never be taken seriously by other users again, and worst of all, like you mentioned, such user can't be accepted into any forum activity, promotion, like signature campaigns, any contest, raffles and so on.
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I understand very well, the same system created problems and paranoia in other forums
people learned from each other and didn't write, I can tell you that if you're not a spammer and you're a normal person, stay calm and write
as for the reviews, in the long run, you will have a normal and fair score, because infinitely with many people you will meet, mathematically you will arrive at the correct average
is math, and we can trust in math
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- You did it well op, the only thing I noticed here in this forum when you are given negative karma is that you can redeem it or get it removed again through the points that we will pay to the admin, and something that is not there in the other forum platform.
Second, those who give positive and negative karma are also anonymous, while on the other side we can see who gave the karma, then I'm just not sure if there is a way to recover the negative karma on the other side, but it seems like there isn't but here there is on this platform https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
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- You did it well op, the only thing I noticed here in this forum when you are given negative karma is that you can redeem it or get it removed again through the points that we will pay to the admin, and something that is not there in the other forum platform.
Second, those who give positive and negative karma are also anonymous, while on the other side we can see who gave the karma, then I'm just not sure if there is a way to recover the negative karma on the other side, but it seems like there isn't but here there is on this platform https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
True depending on the offense. I try not to involve myself in activities where I would have to worry about negative trust or karma though. In the long run it's not worth it.
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Today I noticed that I received negative karma, although it's possible that this has happened before - and I'm honestly very interested in which post it was because I don't think I've ever written anything that could cause someone to react to a negative way. Some still seem to think that negative karma is justified if you disagree with someone's opinion, but that is simply a misuse of negative karma.
I don't think that we should know who gave us negative karma, because some members would certainly take revenge on others, but I think that we should know for which post we received negative karma, because then at least we could dispute such situations if it turns out that the post does not deserve such an action.
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but I think that we should know for which post we received negative karma, because then at least we could dispute such situations if it turns out that the post does not deserve such an action.
admin already said that it is on his to do list, so it is just a matter of time. Later we'll see which posts got karma.
But disputing each case can be not so important. As long as you get much more positive karma some occasional -karma should not be a big deal. ;)
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Today I noticed that I received negative karma, although it's possible that this has happened before - and I'm honestly very interested in which post it was because I don't think I've ever written anything that could cause someone to react to a negative way. Some still seem to think that negative karma is justified if you disagree with someone's opinion, but that is simply a misuse of negative karma.
Almost everyone in altcoinstalks forum received negative karma at least once, except maybe admin, so I would not worry so much about that.
Someone didnt like and didnt agree with what you wrote and they have the liberty to give one negative karma if they want.
I think it is better that we cant see who gave us negative karma, that means there no drama ;D
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Almost everyone in altcoinstalks forum received negative karma at least once, except maybe admin, so I would not worry so much about that.
I'm nearly sure he's not an exception. ;D But I don't think he cares if someone gave him some occasional karma. :)
If it is not a systematic abuse, just let pass it by! :)
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Almost everyone in altcoinstalks forum received negative karma at least once, except maybe admin, so I would not worry so much about that.
Someone didnt like and didnt agree with what you wrote and they have the liberty to give one negative karma if they want.
I think it is better that we cant see who gave us negative karma, that means there no drama ;D
The freedom to inflict negative karma on anyone is unquestionable, but it is questionable whether such an action is justified. You claim that someone didn't like my post and that this is a valid reason for negative karma - but the rules say that negative karma should be used in the following cases :
Negative karma is given to users who are misbehaving, breaking the rules, being aggressive or disruptive to the forum
Anyone who uses negative karma for any other reason is actually abusing that feature and should suffer the consequences.
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If it is not a systematic abuse, just let pass it by! :)
How can someone know if he is the subject of systematic karma abuse if he is not even aware that someone regularly gives him negative karma? I noticed that I have -1 less karma than yesterday, but if, for example, in the period since the last activity I received x positive karma and x negative in the same period, I would have no idea about it - the number would remain the same.
What I want to say is that anyone can be a victim of systematic karma abuse without having any idea about it - I might have had twice as much positive karma than I have today if someone didn't give me -1 karma every day without being aware of it.
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you're breaking your head too much, unfortunately as you well said
no one can say anything if you decide to give negative karma
but this also happens elsewhere with the same methods, accounts burned due to arguments
the only thing to do is to stay calm, write, always speak with respect and politeness and it will never happen that you will have a strong disagreement with someone
this is my advice