You have received -1 Negative Karma

[PX-Z]

If you will read the explanation of the low quality posting rule, you'll see that it is incorrect to make posts "just to increase post count". Double posting is the same, you just artificially make lots of posts where one is enough.

As mods, what are your standards when receiving reports like this? Will the post be removed/deleted or it will be merged in the first post? As I haven't seen yet posts that have mods notes about merging multiple posts.

[Jokers]

If you will read the explanation of the low quality posting rule, you'll see that it is incorrect to make posts "just to increase post count". Double posting is the same, you just artificially make lots of posts where one is enough.

As mods, what are your standards when receiving reports like this? Will the post be removed/deleted or it will be merged in the first post? As I haven't seen yet posts that have mods notes about merging multiple posts.

I have no option of merging posts, only global mods and above have such an option. I also prefer not to delete posts if they are not nonsense or not violating more rules. So I will warn in words that it is incorrect. If the user will ignore my warnings too often, he can get a registered warning. Very unlikely to get more strict penalties for this, only if combined with more examples of some bad behavior.

[admin]

Admin happy
Judges happy
Everybody happy

good idea 
however, you made many false assumptions.
If i only want traffic, i would easily have 10x the amount of traffic. Traffic does not mean and never meant a community.
Paying for karma ... would make people reluctant to grant it (positive or negative)
By the way, the rules we have are simple (no spam, no scam, no referrals outside ref section, no plagia, no link shortners, no shilling outside shill section, no account farms, no abuse of forum functionalities)
however there are a lot of behaviours that are not included in our rules (bullying, insults, aggressive ... ), for that reason you have karma, you think a post deserves + or - , you act without involving us.

[admin]

Guys, instead of fighting
check this video 

[SamReomo]

I have also received negative karma a few times but I don't really know the reason that why someone sent me those negative karma because as far as I know I have never done something which others might consider wrong or harmful but still I got negative karma.

I think same happened with you, in fact most of us know that how good and reliable you're but still some people send negative karma to a user like you. I think this Karma system needs some changes otherwise even good members of the forum will get negative karma without any proper reasons.

[Jokers]

I have never done something which others might consider wrong or harmful but still I got negative karma.

I think same happened with you

The previous post in this topic is left by admin, he doesn't complain about negative karma. So whom are you answering? Your answer breaks the thread of a topic, anyone who will read it sequentially will find your post as annoying, because it is hard to understand to whom are you answering, there were more that 1 person who complained about negative karma in this topic. Don't be surprised if not respecting others you can get -karma. Especially if you answer the first post on a third page of a topic not taking in account all other discussion.

[Cantsay]

I see that after insulting me this character just took away 1 karma from my profile.
Now imagine him having 5-7 buddies here.
Nice times ahead for this community

Same thing happened after I made a reply on this thread - first I got a positive karma after a few minutes I got a notification of neg-karma and since karma isn’t public I can’t tell which of my post earned me the neg-karma. And I don’t intend to start witch-hunting anyone.

Btw, I have restored the karma that was taken from your profile.

[yahoo62278]

I think some people might live in fear due to their real life situations. Corruption might run rampant where they are and always has, so they think it must exist everywhere.

I've seen many mention on the other forum that they post from an alt account out of fear of retribution and now I am basically seeing the same thing said here as far as people might be afraid of groups forming. Noone should be afraid to have an opinion, this is an online forum, not your everyday life where standing up for yourself might have bad consequences. If someone or a group of people toss a bunch of neg karma your way, take it to the forum court. I am sure the admin and judges will be happy to take a look and make a decision. We cannot live in fear.

Seeing a karma count is a positive thing IMO. Yes it could influence how some might post if they are chasing karma, but it's not the same as the DT trust system on the other forum. People in general just agree with your opinion, it doesn't make you the most trusted person here, or the best on this forum. or whatever. We are all just a part of a community and should want to know what we are doing good, or what we might improve on. Simple as that.

[babo]

I think some people might live in fear due to their real life situations. Corruption might run rampant where they are and always has, so they think it must exist everywhere.

I've seen many mention on the other forum that they post from an alt account out of fear of retribution and now I am basically seeing the same thing said here as far as people might be afraid of groups forming. Noone should be afraid to have an opinion, this is an online forum, not your everyday life where standing up for yourself might have bad consequences. If someone or a group of people toss a bunch of neg karma your way, take it to the forum court. I am sure the admin and judges will be happy to take a look and make a decision. We cannot live in fear.

Seeing a karma count is a positive thing IMO. Yes it could influence how some might post if they are chasing karma, but it's not the same as the DT trust system on the other forum. People in general just agree with your opinion, it doesn't make you the most trusted person here, or the best on this forum. or whatever. We are all just a part of a community and should want to know what we are doing good, or what we might improve on. Simple as that.

well said, our aim is not to live in fear of one less or one more karma, like the rating system in blackmirror
no let's give opinions let's give a hand, anyone who puts negative karma in retaliation is a child and as too many positive karmas are sanctioned too many negative karmas will certainly be sanctioned
the admin is very intelligent I saw and inclined towards peace

+1 karma for you yahoo

[Peter90]

I see that after insulting me this character just took away 1 karma from my profile.
Now imagine him having 5-7 buddies here.
Nice times ahead for this community

I can not only imagine, I vaguely remember the karma confrontation was years ago. There was a group of users who decided that it can be fun to abuse the karma system. All incorrect karma was rollbacked and the abusers got their penalties including the ban on changing karma of others.

because they were amateurs

3-4 buddies, coordinating outside Altcoins,
each one hits 2-3x/week
Downvoting dilution is key

Hit posts from different places and different time (use target's posting history for that)
Even if mods have energy to look into it (doubt that), trolls can go "It was honest downvoting. I simply didn't like those posts"
They call it plausible deniability

With a profile like mine, 3-4 weeks and you have bombed target's karma score down to 0
Give your buddies high 5, take care of your hard-on and over to the next target.

Strategy can be applied to different targets at the same time

[admin]

I see that after insulting me this character just took away 1 karma from my profile.
Now imagine him having 5-7 buddies here.
Nice times ahead for this community

I can not only imagine, I vaguely remember the karma confrontation was years ago. There was a group of users who decided that it can be fun to abuse the karma system. All incorrect karma was rollbacked and the abusers got their penalties including the ban on changing karma of others.

because they were amateurs

3-4 buddies, coordinating outside Altcoins,
each one hits 2-3x/week
Downvoting dilution is key

Hit posts from different places and different time (use target's posting history for that)
Even if mods have energy to look into it (doubt that), trolls can go "It was honest downvoting. I simply didn't like those posts"
They call it plausible deniability

With a profile like mine, 3-4 weeks and you have bombed target's karma score down to 0
Give your buddies high 5, take care of your hard-on and over to the next target.

Strategy can be applied to different targets at the same time

I can see everything, and have already identified this pattern multiple times, i don't have yet the time to deal with these users, but soon.

[Peter90]

I think some people might live in fear due to their real life situations. Corruption might run rampant where they are and always has, so they think it must exist everywhere.

I've seen many mention on the other forum that they post from an alt account out of fear of retribution and now I am basically seeing the same thing said here as far as people might be afraid of groups forming. Noone should be afraid to have an opinion, this is an online forum, not your everyday life where standing up for yourself might have bad consequences. If someone or a group of people toss a bunch of neg karma your way, take it to the forum court. I am sure the admin and judges will be happy to take a look and make a decision. We cannot live in fear.

Seeing a karma count is a positive thing IMO. Yes it could influence how some might post if they are chasing karma, but it's not the same as the DT trust system on the other forum. People in general just agree with your opinion, it doesn't make you the most trusted person here, or the best on this forum. or whatever. We are all just a part of a community and should want to know what we are doing good, or what we might improve on. Simple as that.

Hi yahoo
we are talking about different things: you're describing how an ideal community should work, I describe what me and other people saw.
I agree 100% in everything you say, and I'm aware that pointing to hard reality can be less pleasant than describing how an ideal community led by peace, love and rationality would work.


Yesterday I mentioned surveys and reports about the effects of these public judging gadgets






The ultimate question is this: do Like/Dislike features increase or decrease average post quality and participation?
They decrease both, because

Many users post what they think will get the most karmas,
Many users post it in the way they think it’ll get most karmas,
Many users avoid posting something out of fear of landing in the crosshair of downvoting trolls

I start quoting myself... means I've nothing more to say on the subject 

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I did get a +Karma notification from the bot, from a user this morning or yesterday night, I actually thought the username of the person who gave it was there, but coming on here and seeing this thread reminded me of that notification, I went back to check and discovered for sure, that there was no mention of who the Karma came from, or which of my posts got the +Karma.

I personally have actually thought about this same thing, like op said, being able to see who gave negative or positive Karma, but after thinking about the problem that could cause for some users, and the hate it could possibly ignite, I saw reasons why not making the person who gave negative or positive karma public is a good idea.

But like bitmover have suggested, i support that we should atleast be able to see or know our posts the got the positive or negative Karma, this way, we could re-read such post to see or learn why someone likes or dislikes it, through and depending on what type of karma is given.

[yahoo62278]

I did get a +Karma notification from the bot, from a user this morning or yesterday night, I actually thought the username of the person who gave it was there, but coming on here and seeing this thread reminded me of that notification, I went back to check and discovered for sure, that there was no mention of who the Karma came from, or which of my posts got the +Karma.

I personally have actually thought about this same thing, like op said, being able to see who gave negative or positive Karma, but after thinking about the problem that could cause for some users, and the hate it could possibly ignite, I saw reasons why not making the person who gave negative or positive karma public is a good idea.

But like bitmover have suggested, i support that we should atleast be able to see or know our posts the got the positive or negative Karma, this way, we could re-read such post to see or learn why someone likes or dislikes it, through and depending on what type of karma is given.

Knowing who sent the +/- would def be something that could create issues and grudges. That's why I think it would be better just to see a score per post. A lot less drama to deal with IMO if done in this fashion.

[Lucius]

So far, I have not received negative karma (but not too much positive either), even though I am relatively new to the forum. Given that, like many others, I was "teleported" from another forum that has a different system of evaluating (rewarding) posts, I can say that I would like it more if there was only positive karma by which users would reward good and quality posts.

Bad karma is not entirely a bad thing, but as we see, it very often causes such dramas. For example, I would suggest that bad karma can be obtained if at least 3 different users (or some other number) think that a post deserves it. Of course, admins and global mods could be exempted from this rule.