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Title: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: paid2 on March 26, 2024, 08:46:05 AM
Hey admin

Here to teleport my account

BTT link: htt://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1199571 ( external link not allowed)

ATL link
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=summary;u=98459 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=summary;u=98459)

Welcome to Altcoinstalks! Please don't teleport your shit spam AI posts habits too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0)
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on March 26, 2024, 06:21:45 PM
Welcome to Altcoinstalks! Please don't teleport your shit spam AI posts habits too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0)

Very good, paid2. Everyone deserves a second chance and just because he did things wrong on the other forum doesn't necessarily mean he's going to do them wrong on this one, but it's good to warn him in case he thought he could do the same and the managers wouldn't find out. I bet the managers investigate what the teleported members have done on the other forum.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Lucius on March 26, 2024, 06:29:40 PM
Very good, paid2. Everyone deserves a second chance and just because he did things wrong on the other forum doesn't necessarily mean he's going to do them wrong on this one, but it's good to warn him in case he thought he could do the same and the managers wouldn't find out. I bet the managers investigate what the teleported members have done on the other forum.

We should be honest and say that he had not only a second but also a third chance at BTT, but obviously he can't do it without using AI. However, this is a different forum and different rules, so we'll see what happens in the end.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Jokers on March 27, 2024, 06:59:27 AM
We should be honest and say that he had not only a second but also a third chance at BTT, but obviously he can't do it without using AI. However, this is a different forum and different rules, so we'll see what happens in the end.

AI usage is a kind of plagiarism and is not allowed for posting on AltcoinsTalks. We don't base our judgement on the things happened on other forums, but if some user will try to break our rules, he'll face with penalties of different sort. ???
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 27, 2024, 09:42:55 AM
Welcome to Altcoinstalks! Please don't teleport your shit spam AI posts habits too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0)

Very good, paid2. Everyone deserves a second chance and just because he did things wrong on the other forum doesn't necessarily mean he's going to do them wrong on this one, but it's good to warn him in case he thought he could do the same and the managers wouldn't find out. I bet the managers investigate what the teleported members have done on the other forum.
I don't think so; atleast I read the managers say it themselves that the do check what a user have done on the other forum before they decide to accept or reject him or her in whatever, be it a promotion or a campaign.

It's important we understand that this is still an independent forum, and this simply means that Altcoinstalks does not depend on bitcointalk, this is entirely a different forum with different set of rules, the ability to teleport one's rank from btt to this forum is just like a promotion to help this forum grow, it's a privilege that we all here today have the opportunity to teleport our account ranks from btt over to this place, if in the near future, this forum begins really big, I think admin Will scrap this ability to teleport accounts ranks from btt forum, so for now, this is feature we enjoy while it last.

And It makes no sense for managers to want to be looking at a user's performance in the other forum, since that is where the user possibly started, and he or she must have made mistakes as a newbie over there, but teleporting to this forum, the user is now more experienced and likely not to make same mistakes again.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: admin on March 27, 2024, 09:58:09 AM
this post is only for teleport,
I'll split it into a different topic
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: examplens on March 27, 2024, 12:17:45 PM
Let's wait and see how they behave here.
On Btt he left the campaign, I assume that he will not try to apply in any campaign here because he says that he does not need it. He wrote 30-50 spam posts a day more for fun.

I will remove signature and Avatar once my resignation message is approved. I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread. Until then Good bye everyone, it was a nice ride.

My last advice: Do not trust any AI detector tools yet. I should be the last victim.

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/26/V2k33.jpeg)

Edit:
Resignation approved! I've asked the admin to deactivate the account. Cheers
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: notblox1 on March 27, 2024, 09:25:10 PM
I think admin here said he is watching all teleported members with negative ratings on bitcointalk forum.
This member cant expect to continue unnoticed with his spam after he was caught AI writing crazy amounts of posts.
borovichok fired himself :'(
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: yahoo62278 on March 27, 2024, 10:25:09 PM
We should be honest and say that he had not only a second but also a third chance at BTT, but obviously he can't do it without using AI. However, this is a different forum and different rules, so we'll see what happens in the end.

AI usage is a kind of plagiarism and is not allowed for posting on AltcoinsTalks. We don't base our judgement on the things happened on other forums, but if some user will try to break our rules, he'll face with penalties of different sort. ???
While you don't base your judgement on things from the other forum, you should still consider them. Probation or tight leash as people aren't gonna change over night.

While i'm not 100% that the user was committing his offenses, the admins there agreed. The users used tools who also showed positive results. Maybe the tools were wrong idk, but still I would keep the case in the back of my mind.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Kemarit on March 27, 2024, 10:54:46 PM
We should be honest and say that he had not only a second but also a third chance at BTT, but obviously he can't do it without using AI. However, this is a different forum and different rules, so we'll see what happens in the end.

AI usage is a kind of plagiarism and is not allowed for posting on AltcoinsTalks. We don't base our judgement on the things happened on other forums, but if some user will try to break our rules, he'll face with penalties of different sort. ???
While you don't base your judgement on things from the other forum, you should still consider them. Probation or tight leash as people aren't gonna change over night.

While i'm not 100% that the user was committing his offenses, the admins there agreed. The users used tools who also showed positive results. Maybe the tools were wrong idk, but still I would keep the case in the back of my mind.

I agree, we shouldn't judge the individual. And I think he should have learn his lessons already from the other forum and won't be making the same offense here.

Nevertheless, he will be under the microscope for sure and so he should improved his posting and not use AI.

No one is perfect here, it's just how you get back in your feet and not make the same mistakes and really learn and then evolved as human beings.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Jokers on March 28, 2024, 07:01:36 AM
While you don't base your judgement on things from the other forum, you should still consider them. Probation or tight leash as people aren't gonna change over night.

Oh, I remember some malicious intruders who made their reputation on BTT and some of them already got warnings for the same violations here. If they continue, they'll get some negative badges also. But it is not because thay have negative tags on BTT, but because they think that they can misbehave here.

Some can think that they can avoid being caught... it is temporary, eyes of different moderators are on them. ???
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: examplens on March 28, 2024, 11:51:49 AM
While you don't base your judgement on things from the other forum, you should still consider them. Probation or tight leash as people aren't gonna change over night.

Oh, I remember some malicious intruders who made their reputation on BTT and some of them already got warnings for the same violations here. If they continue, they'll get some negative badges also. But it is not because thay have negative tags on BTT, but because they think that they can misbehave here.

Some can think that they can avoid being caught... it is temporary, eyes of different moderators are on them. ???

The same campaign managers are dominant here as on Btt, I believe that they are all familiar with the case or certainly know how to check a user. If participation in the signature campaign is the main motive, it seems that the teleport alone will not be enough.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Agbe on March 28, 2024, 05:03:17 PM
Oh! paid2 you are really following this guy from forum to forum. When I saw the topic,  my mind just flashed back to borovichok case in bitcointalk and really it is. Well you would have allowed him for sometimes to see his writing here if he would change from AI tools and become a real man of himself. He resigned from the campaign he was promoting because of the attacks and he thought coming here, he would have peace of mind but it seems that the guy might not have here as well. And indirectly the guy would be knocked out from the ecosystem cryptocurrency forum participation. Let give him some peace here because this will lead to motional trauma that will cause psychological effect of him
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Lucius on March 28, 2024, 06:44:41 PM
~snip~
While i'm not 100% that the user was committing his offenses, the admins there agreed. The users used tools who also showed positive results. Maybe the tools were wrong idk, but still I would keep the case in the back of my mind.


The admins didn't agree on anything because they didn't participate (nor do they participate) in this kind of thing on BTT, but there is a kind of general consensus among the members that it is impossible for all AI detectors to be wrong. What happened was that many of his posts were reported and the mods deleted them, which was a clear message that they agree that these posts were created with the help of AI.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Freemind on March 29, 2024, 09:51:47 AM
@paid2, after reading this thread, and taking a look at BTT for more information, I must thank you with the follow-up you've done with that user. Everyone deserves a second chance. What that user does on this forum is up to him, he just has to comply with the rules like the rest of the users. AI-generated posts are not allowed on this forum.

@paid2, +1.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Lucius on March 29, 2024, 06:12:02 PM
~snip~
AI-generated posts are not allowed on this forum.


It's good to know that the forum has a firm attitude towards this, because on BTT you will mostly get a permanent ban for plagiarism, but for posts that are even 100% generated with the help of AI, there is currently (as far as I know) no such punishment. The worst thing that can happen is that someone reports such a post and then the moderators delete the posts, and only in the case that someone is really persistent in this, the most severe punishment follows.

Unfortunately, there are people who don't see anything wrong with that, because they claim that with the help of AI they make their posts "more beautiful", whatever that means. However, the biggest problem is those who use what I would call the 4-source method - which consists of original user content, plagiarism, paraphrasing and AI. This mostly confuses even AI detectors depending on the methods and algorithms they use.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Jokers on March 29, 2024, 06:27:42 PM
However, the biggest problem is those who use what I would call the 4-source method - which consists of original user content, plagiarism, paraphrasing and AI. This mostly confuses even AI detectors depending on the methods and algorithms they use.

Don't give them advice how to complicate the work of moderators. ;D

Yes, some try to avoid being caught by AI detectors but they forget that AI usually uses texts from Internet, so they are caught for plagiarism itself. And there can be other ideas how to fight with that nonsense as well, we'll try to use new tools as soon as find them. Some are caught months after they break rules and it should be even more disappointing for them, to lose a developed account. Better to not break rules. :)
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: notblox1 on March 29, 2024, 08:01:44 PM
I think that admin is thinking of giving this member a clean start, so everyone get ready to detect AI generated posts.
Campaign managers should pay close attention to this member, if I was in that position I would not accept him in my campaign.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: electronicash on March 29, 2024, 08:28:14 PM
I think that admin is thinking of giving this member a clean start, so everyone get ready to detect AI generated posts.
Campaign managers should pay close attention to this member, if I was in that position I would not accept him in my campaign.

yes why not. its good for people to have a 2nd chance in life.  a clean slate to start over will be good for the forum, this isn't a very populated forum yet unlike the other one. there is the need for this forum to welcome everyone.

i'm sure he knows he is being watched closely already. i guess he will play by the rules this time.
maybe there are violator there that might not be ignored and admin does have his judgement for the kind of violations. i'm sure there are unforgivable violations.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Faisal2202 on March 29, 2024, 09:54:55 PM
Welcome to Altcoinstalks! Please don't teleport your shit spam AI posts habits too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0)
You kept a good eye, I like your love towards this platform, but I would say the good and bad deeds of the member are not to be used to judge while that member's deeds were on the previous forum and now he is on a new forum. As new forum has its own rules and regulations which pretty much are similar to BTT but it does not mean, that one member if not obey BTT forum rules, should be punished on another forum.

A second chance should be given to the new comer, and I hope by mentioning his name in this topic, he would be more careful in this forum while creating posts, he might leave the usage of AI completely but that's not an issue, the issue is just copying pasting things from one place to another is am act of immorality.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: SamReomo on March 29, 2024, 09:57:35 PM
Campaign managers should pay close attention to this member, if I was in that position I would not accept him in my campaign.
I think if the user improves his habits and strops using of AI generated content then he may get a second chance, and even after the second chance that user continues doing the same thing again and again then such user should not be allowed to participate in a campaign.

I don't name a user but I have seen his reputation wasn't good on Bitcointalk, but on this forum the user is making some good and valuable posts, and that's why I believe that this guy could also change himself, and may do some good contributions in the campaigns.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 29, 2024, 10:41:35 PM
Let's wait and see how they behave here.
On Btt he left the campaign, I assume that he will not try to apply in any campaign here because he says that he does not need it. He wrote 30-50 spam posts a day more for fun.

If he is probably someone who cannot write very well without the help of an AI, that means he definitely is going to use the bot on this forum, and he already has it in mind that he will not be accepted in any campaign on this forum if he uses AI because 99% of BTC signature campaign managers on this forum are still members of BTT who know they don't accept spammers and AI users into their campaigns. Like you said, he probably will only be positing for fun or will change his approach for a better resolution. 
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: robelneo on March 29, 2024, 10:43:35 PM
Campaign managers should pay close attention to this member, if I was in that position I would not accept him in my campaign.
I think if the user improves his habits and strops using of AI generated content then he may get a second chance, and even after the second chance that user continues doing the same thing again and again then such user should not be allowed to participate in a campaign.

I don't name a user but I have seen his reputation wasn't good on Bitcointalk, but on this forum the user is making some good and valuable posts, and that's why I believe that this guy could also change himself, and may do some good contributions in the campaigns.

He may have his second chance but he will be on a watch list once he uses the AI tool, I don't want to judge him here on Altcoinstalks as he did his bad deeds on Bitcointalk he must show he is treating Altcoinstalk differently and never to resort to AI.
I'm sure he learned his lesson because we can easily trace if he still uses AI to create a post, not a good welcome for him though but this is a challenge for him.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Jokers on March 30, 2024, 02:39:11 PM
I think that admin is thinking of giving this member a clean start, so everyone get ready to detect AI generated posts.
Campaign managers should pay close attention to this member, if I was in that position I would not accept him in my campaign.

He's not the first one who has a negative reputation on BTT and teleported here. Some violators already got warnings, so having a clean start doesn't mean we are tolerate to the rules breaking, but AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum, so everyone has a chance to improve his behavior. If he will be positive and friendly and won't break rules, he can become a good member of our community. It is always a choice of everyone: to improve or to violate. ;)
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: borovichok on March 30, 2024, 04:18:17 PM
Very good, paid2. Everyone deserves a second chance and just because he did things wrong on the other forum doesn't necessarily mean he's going to do them wrong on this one, but it's good to warn him in case he thought he could do the same and the managers wouldn't find out. I bet the managers investigate what the teleported members have done on the other forum.

We should be honest and say that he had not only a second but also a third chance at BTT, but obviously he can't do it without using AI. However, this is a different forum and different rules, so we'll see what happens in the end.

Now I understand why I received -1 Karma the moment I teleported here, most of you are bunch of lazy folks who don't read but rely solely on what some random cheap AI detector says and draw conclusions.

I'm still on my stand that non of my posts on the said forum was generated by AI. Stake were okay with my work, my post rating were great and their team didn't find any AI generated contents on my profile except bunch of lazy readers. I honoubly resigned from Stake cause I was becoming a topic of merit grabbing content and nobody was ready to listen to my story.

Regarding the allegations of post deletion, I used to make about 80 posts per week on average before reducing to 30-40 posts per week. Since the AI allegations , my posts deleted by mods from the day of the initial allegation to the day I transferred my account here totaled less than 30 posts that's 0.01% of my total monthly postings. Believe whatever you want but don't be a puppet.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Lucius on March 30, 2024, 04:57:48 PM
Don't give them advice how to complicate the work of moderators. ;D

I think that those who consciously do it already know all the tricks very well, considering that the fight against such people on BTT has been going on for several years. The paradox that arises from the 4 sources method is that someone invests a lot of time to create something that is not entirely his personal work, and maybe he could create his own unique post in half the time.



Now I understand why I received -1 Karma the moment I teleported here, most of you are bunch of lazy folks who don't read but rely solely on what some random cheap AI detector says and draw conclusions.

Just for the record, I'm not the one who gave you negative karma - but calling people "bunch of lazy folks who don't read" is just another step in the wrong direction that you took without even starting your journey on this forum.

When you say that your posts were checked with "some random cheap AI detector", then you are telling a notorious lie because your post were checked with the top AI detectors that exist on the market, and all but one of them marked your posts as AI content.

Considering your attitude towards the users of this forum (and you quoted me), I decided that you are the right candidate for negative karma (my second since I became a member of this forum).
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: borovichok on March 30, 2024, 05:21:30 PM
When you say that your posts were checked with "some random cheap AI detector", then you are telling a notorious lie because your post were checked with the top AI detectors that exist on the market, and all but one of them marked your posts as AI content.

List the top AI detectors on the market ( these apps are clones and are still in a beta mode)

Quote
Considering your attitude towards the users of this forum (and you quoted me), I decided that you are the right candidate for negative karma (my second since I became a member of this forum).

You gave me -1 Karma cause you disagreed with my post ? Isn't Karma system for quality control? You ignored all the facts I started in my posts to cry over a statement I made. You guys messed up the DT feedback system and are already abusing the Karma system here too.  Wow.

@admin is this the appropriate use of the Karma system?

I disagree with his post can I give him -1 also?
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Lucius on March 30, 2024, 05:34:19 PM
List the top AI detectors on the market ( these apps are clones and are still in a beta mode)

AI in the form it is used today appeared as early as 2018, and you are talking about beta versions?

You gave me -1 Karma cause you disagreed with my post ? Isn't Karma system for quality control? You ignored all the facts I started in my posts to cry over a statement I made. You guys messed up the DT feedback system and are already abusing the Karma system here too.  Wow.
@admin is this the appropriate use of the Karma system?
I disagree with his post can I give him -1 also?


Instead of reading the rules of the forum, you call the admin to explain the rules to you? I didn't give you negative karma because I don't agree with your post, but because you address me (and other members) in an inappropriate way.

  • Positive karma is granted to users providing good answers, interesting questions, useful topics and helpful contributions to the forum
  • Negative karma is given to users who are misbehaving, breaking the rules, being aggressive or disruptive to the forum
~snip~
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: borovichok on March 30, 2024, 05:55:02 PM
List the top AI detectors on the market ( these apps are clones and are still in a beta mode)

AI in the form it is used today appeared as early as 2018, and you are talking about beta versions?

When AI was developed and when these detectors were developed are two different era. I'm telling you that all AI detector are still in their Beta mode and not anywhere near 70% on rating.

Quote
Instead of reading the rules of the forum, you call the admin to explain the rules to you? I didn't give you negative karma because I don't agree with your post, but because you address me (and other members) in an inappropriate way.

If you had read between the lines and paid closer attention to my statement, you would have realized that I was referring to the DT abusers on the other forum rather than the users on this discussion. You should be open-minded and avoid feeling offended. I don't have anything against you.

Your tag is inappropriate and it's obvious. I mean no disrespect to anyone here honestly.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: notblox1 on March 30, 2024, 07:59:51 PM
Now I understand why I received -1 Karma the moment I teleported here, most of you are bunch of lazy folks who don't read but rely solely on what some random cheap AI detector says and draw conclusions.
You are insulting everyone here and calling them lazy people who dont read, so you deserved to get more negative karma for that.
Maybe you complained and tricked admin for now but you showed your true face in both forums.
Nobody is against you personally, they are against your actions.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: borovichok on March 30, 2024, 09:48:52 PM
Nobody is against you personally, they are against your actions.

This is you campaigning against me even before I started my journey here, if this is not personal attack then I don't know what to clarify it....

Campaign managers should pay close attention to this member, if I was in that position I would not accept him in my campaign.

Lucius left me a neutral on the other forum with insensitive feedback and became the first user to give me -2 Karma here unprovoked but it's all fine because he gave it to Boro.

All he did was transfer his tag from the other forum to my profile, alleging that I insulted users on this topic, whereas I was referring to users who put inappropriate tags on my profile on the other forum. Throughout my conversation on the other forum, I never used harsh language toward any user.

I've been here a few days, and I write better than some of the other participants, as well as drive enough traffic, which is exactly what a campaign manager needs.  :D one love guys

The only Avatar I'm likely going to wear and promote for free is the Stake avatar, they didn't like the way I left to dry.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Lucius on March 31, 2024, 12:37:24 PM
Lucius left me a neutral on the other forum with insensitive feedback and became the first user to give me -2 Karma here unprovoked but it's all fine because he gave it to Boro.

Stop lying, because you only got one negative karma from me - and leave what you got on the BTT forum there, because you definitely deserved it. When you talk about not provoking anyone, it would be good if you go back to your previous posts and read how you address other members of the forum - and that members who communicate in that way fall into the category that deserves punishment in the form of negative karma.

All he did was transfer his tag from the other forum to my profile, alleging that I insulted users on this topic, whereas I was referring to users who put inappropriate tags on my profile on the other forum. Throughout my conversation on the other forum, I never used harsh language toward any user.

I personally did not (nor can I) transfer any feedback from the BTT forum to your profile here. I did not use any inappropriate language here or on BTT when it comes to you, but I approached you with the intention of helping you detect what the problem is with the fact that so many of your posts are marked as AI content.

When we possibly detected that the cause was in Grammarly, I thought that the story was over and that you would no longer use that tool for your posts, but a few weeks later someone reposted your posts publicly and linked them to AI.

I've been here a few days, and I write better than some of the other participants, as well as drive enough traffic, which is exactly what a campaign manager needs.  :D one love guys
The only Avatar I'm likely going to wear and promote for free is the Stake avatar, they didn't like the way I left to dry.


You have written 11 posts on this forum so far, and not one of them is anything special that makes you stand out from others - but if you have such a high opinion of yourself, that's only your problem. As for me, I am done with this discussion because I wrote everything I considered important.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: borovichok on March 31, 2024, 01:29:46 PM
but I approached you with the intention of helping you detect what the problem is with the fact that so many of your posts are marked as AI content.

When we possibly detected that the cause was in Grammarly, I thought that the story was over and that you would no longer use that tool for your posts, but a few weeks later someone reposted your posts publicly and linked them to AI.

This is true, you were the only person who saw it the other way and wanted to help, I tried to stop using it but it was difficult making a long post without using it and Stake rating was solely based on how longer your posts is. The few times i wrote short posts without needing the softwares to enhance it almost got me kicked out. My rating became low. I use Grammarly keyboard and most times it auto enhance posts. My whole problem began when I started working for Stake.

I've worked with Hhampuz, Royse ( Sinbad) and yahoo62278 (Winz) prior to joining Stake and they never had problems with me. Started working with these Managers from my Full member rank and worked my way to the Hero rank.

I hope they haven't given up on me cause I didn't let them down for the few months I worked with them.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Jokers on March 31, 2024, 02:03:03 PM
My rating became low. I use Grammarly keyboard and most times it auto enhance posts.

Most of people who use this tool just to improve their grammar never had any issues with AI detectors, we checked that many times. If you get this problem you just better not use the tool which makes problems for you. We don't tolerate AI posts here, so better to avoid everything what can cause your posts look like they are not written by a human being. ;)
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Freemind on April 01, 2024, 08:34:09 AM
It's good to know that the forum has a firm attitude towards this, because on BTT you will mostly get a permanent ban for plagiarism, but for posts that are even 100% generated with the help of AI, there is currently (as far as I know) no such punishment. The worst thing that can happen is that someone reports such a post and then the moderators delete the posts, and only in the case that someone is really persistent in this, the most severe punishment follows.

Unfortunately, there are people who don't see anything wrong with that, because they claim that with the help of AI they make their posts "more beautiful", whatever that means. However, the biggest problem is those who use what I would call the 4-source method - which consists of original user content, plagiarism, paraphrasing and AI. This mostly confuses even AI detectors depending on the methods and algorithms they use.

The rules of the forum are very clear regarding AI. I know that AI can be very useful for some things and that it's constantly advancing, but in the forum we need people to talk to other people about cryptocurrencies and the whole ecosystem, not machines talking to machines. Allowing the use of AI would only make the threads off-topic and there would come a time when we wouldn't know what we're talking about. AI detectors are also constantly improving, using them in combination makes the job have better results.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Ultegra134 on April 01, 2024, 10:02:22 AM
Now I understand why I received -1 Karma the moment I teleported here, most of you are bunch of lazy folks who don't read but rely solely on what some random cheap AI detector says and draw conclusions.

I'm still on my stand that non of my posts on the said forum was generated by AI. Stake were okay with my work, my post rating were great and their team didn't find any AI generated contents on my profile except bunch of lazy readers. I honoubly resigned from Stake cause I was becoming a topic of merit grabbing content and nobody was ready to listen to my story.

Regarding the allegations of post deletion, I used to make about 80 posts per week on average before reducing to 30-40 posts per week. Since the AI allegations , my posts deleted by mods from the day of the initial allegation to the day I transferred my account here totaled less than 30 posts that's 0.01% of my total monthly postings. Believe whatever you want but don't be a puppet.
You're starting off the wrong foot in a new forum. You're calling everyone else a bunch of lazy folks for reporting you, when you were the one who couldn't bother writing a proper post in the first place. Keep in mind that during the second report against you, I tried to be understanding and seek what might be causing the AI detection, even though I didn't really believe you. And truth be told, I was right for not doing so, it's pretty evident that you're using tools, tools that are not simply "enhancing your grammar" because I occasionally use them as well for correction purposes and I don't recall being accused for AI usage.

You said it yourself in the most recent post, you couldn't keep up with so many posts, which is quite logical, and had to resort to other measures, which is the main reason why there are discrepancies in the writing style of your posts.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: examplens on April 01, 2024, 11:46:54 AM
I disagree with his post can I give him -1 also?

Improper use of the karma system.

Now I understand why I received -1 Karma the moment I teleported here, most of you are bunch of lazy folks who don't read but rely solely on what some random cheap AI detector says and draw conclusions.

Just for the record, I'm not the one who gave you negative karma - but calling people "bunch of lazy folks who don't read" is just another step in the wrong direction that you took without even starting your journey on this forum.

-karma for belittling other members of the forum can be considered adequate.


borovichok, I don't know what you want to achieve with this discussion here, you already lost a similar one on Btt. You have already been pointed out several times where you are wrong (as far as I remember, I did it once on Btt) but you decided to ignore everything. However, at times it seemed that you understood the problem and that you would try to reduce it by changing your behaviour.

It seems that it is pointless to explain anything to you, because even after everything you insist on a certain direction.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: ABCbits on April 01, 2024, 12:36:35 PM
List the top AI detectors on the market ( these apps are clones and are still in a beta mode)

AI in the form it is used today appeared as early as 2018, and you are talking about beta versions?

When AI was developed and when these detectors were developed are two different era. I'm telling you that all AI detector are still in their Beta mode and not anywhere near 70% on rating.

While it's known that AI detector isn't perfect, it's first time i hear claim that all such tool still in beta and have lower than 70% rating. Do you mind sharing source for your statement?

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png)
Source: https://xkcd.com/285 (https://xkcd.com/285)
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: Agbe on April 01, 2024, 03:51:31 PM
My rating became low. I use Grammarly keyboard and most times it auto enhance posts.

Most of people who use this tool just to improve their grammar never had any issues with AI detectors, we checked that many times. If you get this problem you just better not use the tool which makes problems for you. We don't tolerate AI posts here, so better to avoid everything what can cause your posts look like they are not written by a human being. ;)
borovichok you are not a new user in forum and if you were the owner of the this account in BTT then you came to that forum on October 09, 2017, 05:50:51 AM and from that time till 2020 there was no Al complain so what happened suddenly that you became interested to use grammarly keyboard and the called quilbot? Is it that forget most of the spelling or you thought your former writings were not on standard so you decided to use the tools? Guy your story is not clear for me. Well that is bygone all what we are saying that, you should stop using those things. In fact delete them in your devices and write with your head. If it is too difficult then read and reply only and from there you can develop.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: JoyMarsha on April 01, 2024, 11:49:11 PM
Welcome to Altcoinstalks! Please don't teleport your shit spam AI posts habits too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0)
Lols. You really have the account name in mind for you to throw up this to him, for him to be aware that you got your eyes on him due to his deeds in another forum. However, this is not what we will be looking at since the altcointalks forum is different from the bitcointalk forum. So, whatever deeds he did there, remain there and can't be brought over here. What we will judge him with, is the character he will display here if, goes against the rules and regulations of this forum.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: GxSTxV on April 02, 2024, 12:14:10 AM
Many users were reported or at least given a warning before, I think everything is clear now for @borovichok, for him it’s another chance to start again and with the same membership as in BTT forum less the red tags he got due to shitposts and AI use.
I can’t understand the denials of using such tools when it is so obvious that most of the posts especially in gambling section were created by an AI and with the way of typing that anyone with a small experience in using AI tools will detect that with no need for detectors.

Anyways, the rules here are not much different than BTT, hopefully it’s a lesson and another chance for everyone to improve and to not fall into the same mistakes.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: bitterguy28 on April 02, 2024, 02:17:04 PM
Hey admin

Here to teleport my account

BTT link: htt://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1199571 ( external link not allowed)

ATL link
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=summary;u=98459 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=summary;u=98459)

Welcome to Altcoinstalks! Please don't teleport your shit spam AI posts habits too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490167.0)
maybe with him now being called out and now special mentioned here? I doubt that he will continue his doing as also Admin gave her warning that all eyes are on hers here.
so maybe lets Give her a chance to prove that changes can be done or else the admin will act accordingly things that she will surely regret forever as Bitcointalk is not his home now and this forum is one of the biggest to be lose again.
Title: Re: User using AI on BTT, just teleported
Post by: KingsDen on April 02, 2024, 04:01:30 PM

Anyways, the rules here are not much different than BTT, hopefully it’s a lesson and another chance for everyone to improve and to not fall into the same mistakes.
It is a lesson and another chance to correct his past mistakes. But the sad reality is that there's a very big link between this forum and BTT. Even if such link is not well pronounced, it sticks in the mind of campaign managers who are also in both forums.
Assuming this thread was not created, Borovichok would have simply and quietly walked in here to have a good life. But I think this thread has harmed his chances of surviving here.