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Unfortunately, the only logical explanation is that the campaigns do not bring the expected results.
We actually need to understand what it means that a signature campaign did not bring the actual or desired results. Most times we do see signature campaigns pause and tell you that they want to evaluate the success of the campaign and choose if to continue or not.
The effect of the signature campaign depends on the activity on the forum, unfortunately, the activity on the forum is quite dependent on the signature campaign, so it is a kind of closed circle. At the same time, I am convinced that the priority should be to increase the activity on the forum and not just to pressure the services to start signature campaigns.

otherwise, if promotions on this forum are not the best solution for mixers, what is their alternative? Social media I think not, blogs can partially cover it, but something else?
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Unfortunately, the only logical explanation is that the campaigns do not bring the expected results.
We actually need to understand what it means that a signature campaign did not bring the actual or desired results. Most times we do see signature campaigns pause and tell you that they want to evaluate the success of the campaign and choose if to continue or not.
The effect of the signature campaign depends on the activity on the forum, unfortunately, the activity on the forum is quite dependent on the signature campaign, so it is a kind of closed circle. At the same time, I am convinced that the priority should be to increase the activity on the forum and not just to pressure the services to start signature campaigns.

Exactly, I wrote about it before, but it is hard to expect that anyone will pay more to get less (at least in the beginning) - but if we talk about the popularity of BTT, there is no doubt that it owes it to a good extent to the excellently paid sig campaigns that have attracted thousands of users.

otherwise, if promotions on this forum are not the best solution for mixers, what is their alternative? Social media I think not, blogs can partially cover it, but something else?

Maybe they're turning to the dark web, and maybe it's something else - I don't think money is a problem here, because all the campaigns that promoted mixers here paid 3-4 times less pay rates than on BTT for the same number of posts.
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I was reading Thormixer disclaimer page and I saw section about unacceptable use.
What would happen if some group would try to abuse the mixing service and use one or more restricted uses?
I guess this could be standard for disclaimer pages, but can Thormixer do something to prevent this?


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I was reading Thormixer disclaimer page and I saw section about unacceptable use.
What would happen if some group would try to abuse the mixing service and use one or more restricted uses?
I believe that user might get banned from Thormixer and so does addresses of that user and there's chance that he/she might be banned for lifetime or abusing of the mixing service. I don't think that anyone will ever do anything like that but if someone does something abusive then surely ban could be the punishment. It would be great to hear it from Thormixer's representative as that would be more satisfactory answer I believe.
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otherwise, if promotions on this forum are not the best solution for mixers, what is their alternative? Social media I think not, blogs can partially cover it, but something else?

Websites like Bitlist can help as well. But I don't remember seeing such websites and I don't even know who is the competitor of Bitlist. This is a good project, but it needs to be some kind of popular to get some regular visitors. Only the owners can confirm how many monthly visitors they have. If they have some good numbers, then it is possible that they can propose offers for some services as well.

I saw Toplist websites a long time ago, probably back in 2015 or 2016 where there is a list of websites with the title and URL only. No extra information. It worked like this, if you send visitors to that top-list website, your rank will keep increasing. The more visitors you send, the more your rank increases. I am sure icopress may have some business plan as well.
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I believe that user might get banned from Thormixer and so does addresses of that user and there's chance that he/she might be banned for lifetime or abusing of the mixing service. I don't think that anyone will ever do anything like that but if someone does something abusive then surely ban could be the punishment. It would be great to hear it from Thormixer's representative as that would be more satisfactory answer I believe.
Banned how if they didn't create any account when using Thromixer?
If they restrict one address it's trivial to use different address to mitigate this.
If they ban their IP address it's easy to use different IP address with Tor or VPN.
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Banned how if they didn't create any account when using Thromixer?
If they restrict one address it's trivial to use different address to mitigate this.
If they ban their IP address it's easy to use different IP address with Tor or VPN.
No, there won't be any account related ban as we all know that no one creates an account on Thormixer in order to use the site as that's not needed. I believe the ban should be IP ban or banning of the addresses that used to deposit Bitcoin for mixing, however I'm not 100% sure if that's the case.

I agree Tor and VPN can be used to evade IP ban but if someone's main Bitcoin addresses is banned or blacklisted then there's chance that he/she might not be able to get any mixes or whatsoever. I still believe that Thormixer's official representative could give a proper and straight foreword answer.
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No, there won't be any account related ban as we all know that no one creates an account on Thormixer in order to use the site as that's not needed. I believe the ban should be IP ban or banning of the addresses that used to deposit Bitcoin for mixing, however I'm not 100% sure if that's the case.

I agree Tor and VPN can be used to evade IP ban but if someone's main Bitcoin addresses is banned or blacklisted then there's chance that he/she might not be able to get any mixes or whatsoever. I still believe that Thormixer's official representative could give a proper and straight foreword answer.
Quite irrelevant theories. Mixer has no reason to ban an IP unless some kind of attack was coming from there. Also, the mixer can know the origin of Bitcoin only during the mixing process, then it's too late for any bans.
Thormixer or any other mixer they are not investigative services, nor should they be.
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Quite irrelevant theories. Mixer has no reason to ban an IP unless some kind of attack was coming from there. Also, the mixer can know the origin of Bitcoin only during the mixing process, then it's too late for any bans.
Thormixer or any other mixer they are not investigative services, nor should they be.
Well, we were trying to share our insights about that disclaimer and I've written multiple times that only Thormixer's official representative could give us a valuable answer. I believe the disclaimer is also mentioning about such attacks and that's why I gave my opinion about the IP ban and or blacklisting of the addresses that are found to be connected with some kind of illegal activity. They aren't investigative service I agree but they also might have their own algorithms to detect such activity if I'm not wrong.
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Well, we were trying to share our insights about that disclaimer and I've written multiple times that only Thormixer's official representative could give us a valuable answer. I believe the disclaimer is also mentioning about such attacks and that's why I gave my opinion about the IP ban and or blacklisting of the addresses that are found to be connected with some kind of illegal activity. They aren't investigative service I agree but they also might have their own algorithms to detect such activity if I'm not wrong.

Or probably they didn't take any action at all and that warning is just for the authorities. The only harmful punishment they could apply to the users is, to freeze their funds during the mixing process, but since Mixers does not really care where your money came from, and the user has no account, I don't think Mixer has any way to contact the user except for waiting for them to contact the mixer.

But I don't think Mixers are going to do anything like that. It is for the customers and the authorities. If Mixers get seized for some reason or face any kind of legal issues, they will have a chance to show that we are not helping users to do bad things. We warned them not to use our service to do bad things. It's like a gun license TOS. Users may shoot anyone, but they have to agree with the rules to get a gun. Similarly, No matter what you do, you agree with the Thormixer TOS that you are not going to do any illegal activities.

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No, there won't be any account related ban as we all know that no one creates an account on Thormixer in order to use the site as that's not needed. I believe the ban should be IP ban or banning of the addresses that used to deposit Bitcoin for mixing, however I'm not 100% sure if that's the case.

I agree Tor and VPN can be used to evade IP ban but if someone's main Bitcoin addresses is banned or blacklisted then there's chance that he/she might not be able to get any mixes or whatsoever. I still believe that Thormixer's official representative could give a proper and straight foreword answer.
Quite irrelevant theories. Mixer has no reason to ban an IP unless some kind of attack was coming from there. Also, the mixer can know the origin of Bitcoin only during the mixing process, then it's too late for any bans.
Thormixer or any other mixer they are not investigative services, nor should they be.
You are absolutely right, why should a mixer even think of banning a bitcoin address when they themselves are into the business of fixing stolen and tainted bitcoins, isn't this one of the reasons the government is after mixers, because thieves steal bitcoin, and use mixers to remove what ever tags those stolen bitcoin carried, as well completely lock the government and other interested parties out from tracking such bitcoins.

If a mixer gets in the business of banning bitcoin address, it simply means that such mixer have began censoring users and this is fight against decentralization, they are going to lose all this customers.
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You are absolutely right, why should a mixer even think of banning a bitcoin address when they themselves are into the business of fixing stolen and tainted bitcoins, isn't this one of the reasons the government is after mixers, because thieves steal bitcoin, and use mixers to remove what ever tags those stolen bitcoin carried, as well completely lock the government and other interested parties out from tracking such bitcoins.

If a mixer gets in the business of banning bitcoin address, it simply means that such mixer have began censoring users and this is fight against decentralization, they are going to lose all this customers.
While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.

i.e You ban a famous address that was used for ransomware while allowing Bob to get some privacy on-chain.
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While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.

i.e You ban a famous address that was used for ransomware while allowing Bob to get some privacy on-chain.
Yeah, currently, mixers have no reason to ban specific addresses. Mixers haven't cooperated with governments to prevent money laundering, and they guarantee user anonymity, so they won't interfere with issues related to identifying BTC owners.

Well, in the future, we could totally have a "legitimate" mixers service, operated by governments with the goal of serving users anonymity needs while adding a feature to ban accounts related to crime. Maybe it would only be used for users to hide the number of BTC in their accounts from others, while still trusting governments. I can't imagine how this new type of mixer would work, or it might not even exist because it wouldn't be trusted by users ^^
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While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.
That's what I was trying to say, mixers don't want to have any strict actions by the authorities as their owners are also humans who love privacy but they don't want to face huge trouble that might take place if anything crime related takes place.

Let's say if someone sending money from a known scam wallet or wallet used to fund criminal activities and is tagged by Sec and other such authorities then if I'm not wrong the mixers may also blacklist such addresses and that's possible.
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While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.
That's what I was trying to say, mixers don't want to have any strict actions by the authorities as their owners are also humans who love privacy but they don't want to face huge trouble that might take place if anything crime related takes place.

Let's say if someone sending money from a known scam wallet or wallet used to fund criminal activities and is tagged by Sec and other such authorities then if I'm not wrong the mixers may also blacklist such addresses and that's possible.
As the number of Bitcoins is limited, I assume that at some point 80% of the coins in circulation will pass through one of the mixers at least once. I'm really interested in how the history of coins will be treated in that case. Of course, for all coins except for those that the SEC seizes at some point, because after the SEC they become clean.
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