Should reputation follow you here?

[Jokers]

I think when once he teleports his account negative side should also teleport. Because if he is a scammer or spammer then he should be teleported by ranking up these qualities. Otherwise, many users may fall prey to scams just by seeing high ranking without knowing it.

I spent some time looking through tags left by different DT members and I can say that many are not active and don't really understand how the system should work, some leave tags because they just disagree with someone or have some personal problems. How can we be sure that someone from another forum did a good enough research and his conclusion is fair enough? So we need to recheck all the investigation each time? Who has so much time? This idea is far from being as good as it can seem from the first sight.

[bitmover]

What is different, if someone is a proven scammer. If you see someone who try to teleport and you have enough evidence, we'll look at it immediately and if we'll agree with facts, then corresponding actions can be made not waiting until he will try to scam someone here.

Probably that person would not teleport, he would use a different username.

However,  if proven to be the same person, he will probably be tagged.

[Stompix]

I get it, they don't want to start over, but that's the choice they make when making an account here. I was a scammer or cheater on the other forum, do I make a new name new persona for myself or keep the same name and hope nobody pays attention???

Really delicate subject, and the whole thing about "reputation" is adding more headaches to the debate!
So, I think we should differentiate a bit based on the whole previous reputation
-is the guy a known cheater who defaulted on a loan for example? I don't know if his account would even get teleported but in this case yeah, he's still a cheater and still a defaulter
- are we talking about a guy who plagiarized on BTT? Well, he did get his punishment there so as long as we talk about this forum he hasn't done anything wrong yet, much like somebody who did his time and moved to a new country. His presence might raise eyebrows but this is a thing about proving all of us wrong, if he isn't doing any plagiarism anymore, what can we accuse him of?

But while agreeing on giving a break for minor things I also back an increased punishment for the ones that were given a chance and blew it away again.

[Agbe]

I think that the Quality Bar is sufficient in this case. Before teleporting their accounts, admin can go to the profile and check the account activity and give the appropriate mark. After 3-6 months have passed, if the account holder changes his behavior, account can actively participate in the forum, and during this time acc will not be able to get a paid signature and need an escrow to conduct transactions.

well spoken. The quality bar has the final say in such case. And if I will add to want nyou have Said, it is good to allow everyone from other forums to teleport themselves to this place and if any account does not meet up the require quality of the forum posting then quality bar will be the final answer and at that time the user will not deny again. I have seen many teleported accounts gotten the red bar already. So I will also like to ask this question. Will those users who have gotten the red bar which indicates that they are very bad in posting quality have an effect in the bitcointalk forum? yahoo62278 can also look I to this one too. Because I have seen some from BTT gotten the red bar.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

What is different, if someone is a proven scammer. If you see someone who try to teleport and you have enough evidence, we'll look at it immediately and if we'll agree with facts, then corresponding actions can be made not waiting until he will try to scam someone here.

Probably that person would not teleport, he would use a different username.

However,  if proven to be the same person, he will probably be tagged.

A scammer will be a scammer no matter what platform he is in. The scammer should have the red circle under his username to mark his a bad actor of the forum.

The same logic to follow, if a user has good reputation on bitcointalk since his account is teleported, his altcointalks account is reflecting the good reputation from bitcointalk.

[SamReomo]

If someone who has done wrong things on other forum then he/she will be called again and again for those wrong things. No matter if that person change himself/herself, the rest of the members will always have that negative image of them in their mind.

We all know that most of the members of this forum are teleported members of Bitcointalk and that's why they have knowledge about the members who got red tags on Bitcointalk due to scamming or for other reasons.

It would be a tough job to believe such members and giving them second chance would also be quite tough decision. But, if someone who got tagged due to a reason that doesn't fall into scamming then such users might get another chance to prove that they won't repeat the same mistakes on this forum.

A few weeks ago an admin of Bitcointalk also created a thread in Meta where he gave second chance to those members who were banned for breaking of the forum rules. I don't exactly remember how many members got the second chance, but I know that one member got a second chance.

[Agbe]

What is different, if someone is a proven scammer. If you see someone who try to teleport and you have enough evidence, we'll look at it immediately and if we'll agree with facts, then corresponding actions can be made not waiting until he will try to scam someone here.

Probably that person would not teleport, he would use a different username.

However,  if proven to be the same person, he will probably be tagged.

A scammer will be a scammer no matter what platform he is in. The scammer should have the red circle under his username to mark his a bad actor of the forum.

The same logic to follow, if a user has good reputation on bitcointalk since his account is teleported, his altcointalks account is reflecting the good reputation from bitcointalk.

Exactly, I support you BitcoinGirl.Club, a scammer will never change because the it is in the blood. They will even use the ignorant of the new forum to Scam people so if such users is noticed and the first thing to do is to tag the scammer and written boldly on the profile "Scammer" so that users would not fall victim.

But someone that was using AI can change in behavior because probably he was not too good with the standard English to communicate with others so he uses AI or grammarly keyboard to make some corrections. But when you have been warned to stopped and you persistently used it then it is no longer good habit then it is a deliberate attitude so it most punish.

[yhiaali3]

In my opinion, there are small violations that can be overlooked when moving to another forum. Most members come to the forum at the beginning and do not have much experience with the rules of the forum, so they commit some violations. With time, they improve and realize their mistakes, and they may need a new beginning free of mistakes, and this can achieve On it in the new forum.

As for the members who have been proven to deceive and defraud others and steal their money, such people cannot be overlooked or given the opportunity to start a new beginning, because the fraudster who is accustomed to fraud will not change his behavior, but rather is looking for a new opportunity to defraud a new victim.

[hugeblack]

[/size]That would mean manual monitoring of users who have a bad reputation from the other forum. Who would do such a thing for 3-6 months, the admin? I don't think he has enough time to do that. Considering the continuous number of users asking to teleport their accounts to this forum.

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red-DOT will not be able to make profits from signature campaigns, and no one will trade with them without trust, so giving those accounts a chance of 3-6 months to prove that they deserve a second chance is something okay.
Again, it must be taken case by case. I do not expect an account with -12 negative trust, to do well if he is given a second chance.

How can we be sure that someone from another forum did a good enough research and his conclusion is fair enough? So we need to recheck all the investigation each time? Who has so much time? This idea is far from being as good as it can seem from the first sight.

The system gives more decentralization, and I do not think that you will find an account with more than -3 negative trust, all of which are personal opinions or based on a biased analysis. You can also build your own trust list if you do not like the opinions of some accounts, as each account has its own trust list and through it you can Determines who to trust and who not to trust.

[Jokers]

How can we be sure that someone from another forum did a good enough research and his conclusion is fair enough? So we need to recheck all the investigation each time? Who has so much time? This idea is far from being as good as it can seem from the first sight.

The system gives more decentralization, and I do not think that you will find an account with more than -3 negative trust, all of which are personal opinions or based on a biased analysis. You can also build your own trust list if you do not like the opinions of some accounts, as each account has its own trust list and through it you can Determines who to trust and who not to trust.

Thanks, I know about a personal Trust list and I think that Trust system is good for BTT concerning the system that forum has. Many things there are not moderated, there is no negative merit option, etc., so there is a need in some tool for community to deal with bad actors. And Trust system works not so bad, even if to keep in mind that mistakes are not only possible, but are. But AltcoinsTalks is different and we talk about that it is not good to take the result of working of some system from one forum to some different forum. I think that Trust system is good for BTT and at the same time I think that it is neither needed for AltcoinsTalks nor results of its work can be blindly taken to AltcoinsTalks.

[Learn Bitcoin]

I do believe that some cases are up for debate such as the case I was reading when this topic came to mind. This is not a thread about that particular user, it's a thread in general on the subject. Yes there are some cases where an exception could be made but not many.

This is not a thread to beat up admins either. They have the right to run the forum as they see fit. Just curious how everyone feels on the subject.

I have a famous dialogue: This should be handled case-to-case. Usually, I am against negative tags when it comes to offenses like AI usage. A neutral tag is more appropriate. But, the user we are talking about exceeded the limit of AI usage. He was tagged before for AI usage, and later, his negative tag was removed because of the community's suggestions. But when someone does not change after a 2nd chance, that is something you should not forgive. If someone does an offense repeatedly, then you should take action against them.

[DabsPoorVersion]

[/size]That would mean manual monitoring of users who have a bad reputation from the other forum. Who would do such a thing for 3-6 months, the admin? I don't think he has enough time to do that. Considering the continuous number of users asking to teleport their accounts to this forum.

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red-DOT will not be able to make profits from signature campaigns, and no one will trade with them without trust, so giving those accounts a chance of 3-6 months to prove that they deserve a second chance is something okay.
Again, it must be taken case by case. I do not expect an account with -12 negative trust, to do well if he is given a second chance.

The red dot or the quality bar will only be given if the user is found to have a low quality or using the AI tool again the same as he is doing on the other forum. Just like the admin stated, if he had done something bad such as using AI, he should still be given a chance to have a fresh start in this forum. If he starts to do the same thing in this forum, that is when the admin will take action and will give the necessary color of the dot and might as well put him on their watch list.

And yes, I agree with you that it should be taken case by case. Let's say the user has done a severe penalty like initiating a scam or taking money that is initially not owned by him. In that case, it is a situation that should be taken action immediately.

But then again, if this is the kind of case we have, I don't think that kind of user, who scammed money from other people, will choose to request to transfer his rank from another forum to here. That action will only be taken by a fool.

[examplens]

Being as users teleport their accounts, we know that they are the same person from the other forum. Why shouldn't their reputation follow them? If they wanted a fresh start, why wouldn't they just make a new account, new username, and leave that name in the past?

Who says there are no such users?
And on Btt some just rejected "bad" accounts and started from the beginning.

On topic, It is easy to recognize "good" users, but the teleport of reputation is also very important for the prevention of scams.

[Crwth]

This is an interesting discussion and I believe it should follow you in a way that would serve here "a new start" but with a warning. Anyone could have that fresh start by creating a new persona but choosing to stay the same is a choice that they made and maybe can be given a chance to show how reformed they are.

Maybe have fresh start for them isn't that bad unless it's scamming or something.

[Freemind]

This is an interesting discussion and I believe it should follow you in a way that would serve here "a new start" but with a warning. Anyone could have that fresh start by creating a new persona but choosing to stay the same is a choice that they made and maybe can be given a chance to show how reformed they are.

Maybe have fresh start for them isn't that bad unless it's scamming or something.

I don't think anyone is such an idiot as to have an account with scam tags on BTT and want to teleport that account here, but I'm also telling you that I've seen stranger things when it comes to users. In case any user with tags tags was seen here trying to bring their account, that account would be immediately blocked with no possibility of using it again.

Users who misbehave, use AI, plagiarize, or have other habits that go against the rules of the forum, have 2 options.

1- They can forget about those habits and respect and abide by the rules of the forum.

2- They may continue their behavior and habits and be punished, with the problems this could have in the future.

One of those 2 options has a future in this forum, the other does not.