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Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« on: January 27, 2024, 01:11:24 AM »
We have a myth in the crypto market: Do the opposite of what Jim Cramer predicted and you will become rich!

That means Jim Cramer often mispredicts market movements, but perhaps this isn't obvious. Normally, in the long term the ratio of correct and incorrect predictions will be 50% and 50%, but there is something that makes Jim Cramer's predictions wrong very often, at least the predictions for Bitcoin.


In addition, Jim Cramer is not an ordinary person, he is a millionaire with assets worth about $150M-200M and an income of $5M-12M per year:

"CelebrityNetWorth.com has listed Jim Cramer’s net worth as $150 million since mid-2022. Multiple outlets, including Investopedia and Yahoo Finance, have cited this figure in the time since. An October 2023 post on CAclubindia.com, however, listed Cramer’s net worth a third higher at $200 million.
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Most sources peg Cramer’s CNBC salary at $5 million per year. That figure again seems to trace back to CelebrityNetWorth.com. Interestingly, CAclubindia.com again lists a higher figure — $12 million per year — in its October 2023 post[1]".


Even his wrong prediction is considered an art in his journey to become famous and become a social phenomenon[2]. In the investment community, Jim Cramer's name is probably mentioned more often than the names of some actors and athletes.

At least, I want to try to explain the reason for this anomaly: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?

  • The 1st assumption: Jim Cramer is not an investor, he follows the market through the news and has emotions and opinions like the crowd: often overly optimistic or fearful. Investor extreme optimism creates market peaks, while extreme fear creates market bottoms.
  • The 2nd assumption: Jim Cramer follows market sentiment and speaks accordingly to gain the support of viewers, it's not by chance that CNBC pays Jim so much money.
  • The 3rd assumption: Jim Cramer understands market sentiment and says the opposite to create something special and get viewers' attention.
  • The 4th assumption: Jim Cramer was bribed by Market Maker to manipulate the market. I think this theory smells like a conspiracy theory.

What do you think about this: do you often invest by doing the opposite of Jim Cramer? Why do you think Jim Cramer has the ability to make predictions that are consistently wrong so many times?

[1] Jim Cramer’s net worth: How much does ‘Mad Money’s' stock-picking superhost make?
[2] Jim Cramer and the Art of Being Wrong
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Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2024, 01:31:05 AM »
There isn't really that much necessity for something like him to be right about bitcoin all that often. Not that it would be bad for him, but it really doesn't feel like it would be all that great for him. He is not an investor himself, he doesn't like bitcoin himself, and his viewers do know about him not liking it as well. So there is no point in investing into bitcoin or divesting from bitcoin just because he said it one more time, if you watch him then you know him. Hence, he is not gaining absolutely anything from this, it doesn't really feel like it would be something that would benefit him, so he just dislikes it all together.

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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2024, 03:31:06 AM »

I often see posts and even memes on X social media making big jokes on Jim Cramer which essentially telling the readers that if this man is predicting south better go on the other direction because there is more probability that he can be wrong. As explained in OP's post, I think we can conclude that Jim is just one of us who are ordinary people who could not really predict the future. He is there in his program all because he is popular and in fairness there are still a good number of people maybe following his advice on many investment opportunities though I still have to see how good or bad he is in dealing with maybe stocks, gold, commodities and other investment vehicles. One thing for sure: he is doing it badly with cryptocurrency most especially with Bitcoin. Maybe the man is just providing us a good entertainment because there are now people who are waiting on what he would say and wait on how the market will eventually react. Another thing we should really understand is that Bitcoin in many times can be so hard to analyze and predict...there has been no good man on this aspect and we are witnessing that now with Jim Cramer.




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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2024, 03:12:09 PM »
"CelebrityNetWorth.com has listed Jim Cramer’s net worth as $150 million since mid-2022. Multiple outlets, including Investopedia and Yahoo Finance, have cited this figure in the time since. An October 2023 post on CAclubindia.com, however, listed Cramer’s net worth a third higher at $200 million.
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Most sources peg Cramer’s CNBC salary at $5 million per year. That figure again seems to trace back to CelebrityNetWorth.com. Interestingly, CAclubindia.com again lists a higher figure — $12 million per year — in its October 2023 post[1]".


What do you think about this: do you often invest by doing the opposite of Jim Cramer? Why do you think Jim Cramer has the ability to make predictions that are consistently wrong so many times?
I don't think Jim needs to be taught how to predict, because predicting is not his job. He just needs to be famous and attract the attention of the community, thereby increasing the number of viewers of CNBC's program. Investors like to poke fun at Jim's incorrect predictions, and Jim has more reasons to make inaccurate predictions.

However, I also think Jim does not understand technology and the crypto market, so Jim can represent traditional investors: investing according to news and often making wrong decisions.
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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2024, 07:15:59 PM »
I don't think Jim needs to be taught how to predict, because predicting is not his job. He just needs to be famous and attract the attention of the community, thereby increasing the number of viewers of CNBC's program. Investors like to poke fun at Jim's incorrect predictions, and Jim has more reasons to make inaccurate predictions.

However, I also think Jim does not understand technology and the crypto market, so Jim can represent traditional investors: investing according to news and often making wrong decisions.
I think this can be leveraged in a few situations when we want to know the psychology of inexperienced investors in the market: when they are FOMO and overly optimistic about the future of crypto, we should place orders to close positions; and vice versa: when they are too scared, we can buy more. And Jim will help us get that information ^^

However, I do not advise anyone to do the opposite of what Jim said, there is an ETF that does the same thing and they have failed. I think this is just additional information for our reference, similar to on-chain data.

Anyway, Jim is still a famous person, thanks to him, BTC and crypto are more popular in the investment market  ;D
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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2024, 02:26:21 PM »

I don't think Jim needs to be taught how to predict, because predicting is not his job. He just needs to be famous and attract the attention of the community, thereby increasing the number of viewers of CNBC's program. Investors like to poke fun at Jim's incorrect predictions, and Jim has more reasons to make inaccurate predictions. However, I also think Jim does not understand technology and the crypto market, so Jim can represent traditional investors: investing according to news and often making wrong decisions.

Well, it really means that like the rest of us it is not so easy to predict what can happen in the cryptocurrency market and in fact the man is like engaging in a cockfighting: a 50-50 chance as there are only two choices available and in case with his predictions the market can either go down or up. Now, since CNBC has not yet fired Jim Cramer it can be a sign that in fact the man is attracting his own audience who are willing to listen on what he has to say and for those in cryptocurrency just do the opposite and you can be making a killing courtesy of this man. Yes, Jim Cramer surely does not have the full grasp of the cryptocurrency market and for me I think he is just providing a good entertainment...an opportunity for us to laugh at him and his crypto predictions.





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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2024, 03:52:13 PM »
I don't think Jim needs to be taught how to predict, because predicting is not his job. He just needs to be famous and attract the attention of the community, thereby increasing the number of viewers of CNBC's program. Investors like to poke fun at Jim's incorrect predictions, and Jim has more reasons to make inaccurate predictions.

I think you are wrong, my friend:

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According to Money, Inc, Jim Cramer has a total estimated net worth of $150 million as of 2022.
The bulk of his net worth came from his success as a hedge fund manager, but his success did not stop there. Using his experience as a hedge fund manager, Cramer increased his net worth through a diversified strategy of multiple income streams.

Source: Who Is Jim Cramer?

He is not only good at predicting, he became a multi-millionaire at it, and that made him famous. But I think in this case it's like Peter Schiff. As good investors, they have made many good investments throughout their lives, and despite some mistakes, they have amassed good wealth. The predictions they make about bitcoin, given that they do not have bitcoin and have not needed it to become millionaires, can be dismissed.

I prefer to listen to the predictions of what they have skin in the game, so that they don't make such a fool of themselves.
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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2024, 04:28:08 PM »
For me, no one really can speculate the price more accurately but what really is his intentions is what we don't know. However, for some millionaires or billionaires they shill Bitcoin for their own good it could be a buying spree for them secretly or selling but for Jim I think it's something like that. In crypto investments we don't need to declare all our assets so it's an opportunity for this wealthy people to play dirty with crypto.

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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2024, 04:58:51 PM »
We have a myth in the crypto market: Do the opposite of what Jim Cramer predicted and you will become rich!

That means Jim Cramer often mispredicts market movements, but perhaps this isn't obvious. Normally, in the long term the ratio of correct and incorrect predictions will be 50% and 50%, but there is something that makes Jim Cramer's predictions wrong very often, at least the predictions for Bitcoin.


In addition, Jim Cramer is not an ordinary person, he is a millionaire with assets worth about $150M-200M and an income of $5M-12M per year:

"CelebrityNetWorth.com has listed Jim Cramer’s net worth as $150 million since mid-2022. Multiple outlets, including Investopedia and Yahoo Finance, have cited this figure in the time since. An October 2023 post on CAclubindia.com, however, listed Cramer’s net worth a third higher at $200 million.
~
Most sources peg Cramer’s CNBC salary at $5 million per year. That figure again seems to trace back to CelebrityNetWorth.com. Interestingly, CAclubindia.com again lists a higher figure — $12 million per year — in its October 2023 post[1]".


Even his wrong prediction is considered an art in his journey to become famous and become a social phenomenon[2]. In the investment community, Jim Cramer's name is probably mentioned more often than the names of some actors and athletes.

At least, I want to try to explain the reason for this anomaly: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?

  • The 1st assumption: Jim Cramer is not an investor, he follows the market through the news and has emotions and opinions like the crowd: often overly optimistic or fearful. Investor extreme optimism creates market peaks, while extreme fear creates market bottoms.
  • The 2nd assumption: Jim Cramer follows market sentiment and speaks accordingly to gain the support of viewers, it's not by chance that CNBC pays Jim so much money.
  • The 3rd assumption: Jim Cramer understands market sentiment and says the opposite to create something special and get viewers' attention.
  • The 4th assumption: Jim Cramer was bribed by Market Maker to manipulate the market. I think this theory smells like a conspiracy theory.

What do you think about this: do you often invest by doing the opposite of Jim Cramer? Why do you think Jim Cramer has the ability to make predictions that are consistently wrong so many times?

[1] Jim Cramer’s net worth: How much does ‘Mad Money’s' stock-picking superhost make?
[2] Jim Cramer and the Art of Being Wrong
predicting bitcoin movements is not easy and is not always 100% correct, usually people predict bitcoin movements 40%-70% right and 60% wrong, but most people predict bitcoin movements by looking for a lot of information, almost the same as Jim Cramer did because that way it's possible people can predict the movement of bitcoin and if it's another way maybe I don't know much and what I know is like what Jim Cramer said... if there is a way other than the above, try sharing it with all members here.
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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2024, 01:27:11 PM »
It seems to me that the person just wants to attract attention. He said this to increase his popularity. Many fundamental events affect the price of Bitcoin, causing the price to fall or rise.
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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2024, 03:27:31 PM »
In fact, there is nothing wrong if you make a wrong prediction because as we know, the crypto world is difficult to predict, except for the 4 year cycle, it is not certain when it will happen. Don't worry, Jim Carmer, we are often wrong in predicting BTC, maybe that is a characteristic from him not to follow his recommendations, he only predicts and we are not obliged to implement his predictions,

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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2024, 06:12:47 PM »
A man who earned hundreds of millions of $ obviously cannot be someone who would be called a fool who knows nothing, and yet I don't know if he is wrong only with Bitcoin or with some other things? However, given that the man lives and works in the US, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his employer pays him to do exactly what he does - because much stranger things than that happen in that country.

In the past, his "wrong" forecasts were still somewhat "interesting" to me, but over time he become completely uninteresting and I don't look back at what he says at all. There was another "wise man" who often talked nonsense about Bitcoin until he realized that he obviously knew nothing about it, so he decided to tie his tongue a little - although he may be slipping under my radar all the time - his name is Tom Lee ::)
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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2024, 09:44:27 PM »
Being a millionaire does not mean that he would not make mistakes. What you think that will come to pass and irony was found in it is also a mistake and that is what mistake is inevitable and bitcoin is unpredictable. One can say that the price of bitcoin will hit $70+k in the 48 hours time but at the end of the ours the price came below $30+k and you don't have to blame the person because bitcoin movement is depends on demand and supply. Some people predict correctly while others predict wrongly and that is how the market just is. Even though the has money he is not a professor of data prediction and data analysis. He was only trying to predict it from his initiative.

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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2024, 10:15:18 PM »
This man is a millionaire; he has actually been able to make a huge profit from his investment, which was made based on his own predictions. Despite the fact that he was able to make a profit from his investment, I don't believe that he did not experience losses either. No matter how good someone is at price prediction, there is nothing like being 100% certain of the predicted price because the market is dynamic and can take a different turn from what it was supposed to be at the initial time.

So far, I have been buying bitcoin based on my own prediction. I buy and hold. 

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Re: Why does Jim Cramer often mispredict BTC movements?
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2024, 06:09:01 PM »
Being a millionaire does not mean that he would not make mistakes. What you think that will come to pass and irony was found in it is also a mistake and that is what mistake is inevitable and bitcoin is unpredictable. One can say that the price of bitcoin will hit $70+k in the 48 hours time but at the end of the ours the price came below $30+k and you don't have to blame the person because bitcoin movement is depends on demand and supply. Some people predict correctly while others predict wrongly and that is how the market just is. Even though the has money he is not a professor of data prediction and data analysis. He was only trying to predict it from his initiative.
Yes I agree with you. Billionaires also make mistakes, it is normal for them to make mistakes. I have seen many people do fortune telling without any recharge but they don't know what will happen. And it is impossible to say exactly what the next market will be like. Nothing can be said exactly about the next market, but we can have an idea about what the next market will be like.

 

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