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Learning & News => For Beginners => Basic questions about this forum => Topic started by: Agbe on February 19, 2024, 09:49:20 PM
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I was having 55 positive karmas for about a week and today when I login I discovered that one of my positive karmas is no more and now they are 54 and I didn't get a notification for the -Karma so I am inquisitive to know if the creator of the notification bot only put +Karma and not -Karma. It would be better to have a notification fe the both -Karma and +Karma. I don't know if other people also have this experienced before or not. This -Karma will create drama here oh! And we have been saying that the comments that led to the -+karmas should be see even though the names are not showing. So we can know where our faults are coming from but as it is we are all dealing with a blank interaction whereby nobody knows who like your post and who don't like your post all is blank like a blind person.
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So the question is did you post something really bad and get -karma from 10 people?
55 down to 44 is a large drop and it would need to be 11 different people giving -1 each to you.
I read you last 15 posts they do not seem really bad. Not sure why you got dropped by 11 karma.
did you mean you dropped from 55 to 54 not from 55 to 54?
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So the question is did you post something really bad and get -karma from 10 people?
55 down to 44 is a large drop and it would need to be 11 different people giving -1 each to you.
Sorry it was a typos error, it was 54 abd just now one was removed again so it has reduced to 53. Really I don't know what I said dat made them to -Karma from me but that is not withstanding since the forum ignored our crys to know which post was affected. We should keep it in that way. And let all of us bear the pain. Because when rain fall it doesn't fall for only one roof but all would wet.
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well i gave you a karma and it looks like a few others helped you out. you are now at 56 karma so you are doing well.
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I can relate on you mate , when I first teleported here I received negative karma first before a Positive one so i felt like thinking what have i done wrong , and with that I PMmed Admin directly as this alarms me not having a understanding about Karma and luckily Admin tells me that it is just an abuser that gave me negative for no reason at all , so I agree in this that there can be a notification if we earned or lose karma each time at least when we get back online.
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This -Karma will create drama here oh! And we have been saying that the comments that led to the -+karmas should be see even though the names are not showing. So we can know where our faults are coming from but as it is we are all dealing with a blank interaction whereby nobody knows who like your post and who don't like your post all is blank like a blind person.
Some members of this forum have also raised concerns about the same thing as receiving negative karma. They are unsure where it came from and what caused it. I agree that it would be helpful if we were informed about the posts or posts that resulted in the negative karma being given by an anonymous member. This would allow us to identify whether our opinions are valid for negative karma or not.
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This -Karma will create drama here oh! And we have been saying that the comments that led to the -+karmas should be see even though the names are not showing. So we can know where our faults are coming from but as it is we are all dealing with a blank interaction whereby nobody knows who like your post and who don't like your post all is blank like a blind person.
Some members of this forum have also raised concerns about the same thing as receiving negative karma. They are unsure where it came from and what caused it. I agree that it would be helpful if we were informed about the posts or posts that resulted in the negative karma being given by an anonymous member. This would allow us to identify whether our opinions are valid for negative karma or not.
You have spoken well. Yes I can remember that threads have been created for -Karma but this thread is mainly for the notification. Because as we receive +karma notification we should equally receive -Karma notification as well. But today I have getting all the notifications that were outstanding and I think probably it was a network issue and I thank the creator of the notification bot, he is really working as well as the admin. And yes that part of the function of the forum is very much important because when the post has been mentioned then we can adjust ourselves to do well.
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how about you try the notification here https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315728.0
everybody uses telegram these days, you must have it too. the notification will send you information of what you are looking for such as private message, karma and who quoted you in the forum and more. this will make you respond to the thread that you have been quoted. this is a very convenient bot if you wanted to learn about those info.
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how about you try the notification here https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315728.0
everybody uses telegram these days, you must have it too. the notification will send you information of what you are looking for such as private message, karma and who quoted you in the forum and more. this will make you respond to the thread that you have been quoted. this is a very convenient bot if you wanted to learn about those info.
Well this bot is very useful to notify us when there is a reply or mention on our account. And now we also have notifications on every positive karma we get. But Op may already be using it. And the problem here is that there is no notification for - Karma or negative karma. I hope in the future the developer can add it.
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I was having 55 positive karmas for about a week and today when I login I discovered that one of my positive karmas is no more and now they are 54 and I didn't get a notification for the -Karma so I am inquisitive to know if the creator of the notification bot only put +Karma and not -Karma. I
Is this the same bot being mentioned above or are you referring to another one? If the former is the case, you can post this on his thread, can't you? I'm pretty sure he's open to suggestions and there's no rule preventing you from asking for more features iirc. The forum itself doesn't handle notification about karma so I'm a bit confused at the beginning. CMIIW.
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This -Karma will create drama here oh! And we have been saying that the comments that led to the -+karmas should be see even though the names are not showing. So we can know where our faults are coming from but as it is we are all dealing with a blank interaction whereby nobody knows who like your post and who don't like your post all is blank like a blind person.
Some members of this forum have also raised concerns about the same thing as receiving negative karma. They are unsure where it came from and what caused it. I agree that it would be helpful if we were informed about the posts or posts that resulted in the negative karma being given by an anonymous member. This would allow us to identify whether our opinions are valid for negative karma or not.
You have spoken well. Yes I can remember that threads have been created for -Karma but this thread is mainly for the notification. Because as we receive +karma notification we should equally receive -Karma notification as well. But today I have getting all the notifications that were outstanding and I think probably it was a network issue and I thank the creator of the notification bot, he is really working as well as the admin. And yes that part of the function of the forum is very much important because when the post has been mentioned then we can adjust ourselves to do well.
My bad, what I mean is, it seems like the reason why the admin isn't answering any other questions on newly created threads right now is because most of the threads are already a similar topics that have been discussed. It's possible he is tired to check and answer questions repeatedly. I didn't mean to say that your thread was already discussed in the past. That's why I only think that if we want an answer immediately from the admin, we can ask in the chat as they are actively responding to questions there.
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I was having 55 positive karmas for about a week and today when I login I discovered that one of my positive karmas is no more and now they are 54 and I didn't get a notification for the -Karma so I am inquisitive to know if the creator of the notification bot only put +Karma and not -Karma. It would be better to have a notification fe the both -Karma and +Karma. I don't know if other people also have this experienced before or not. This -Karma will create drama here oh! And we have been saying that the comments that led to the -+karmas should be see even though the names are not showing. So we can know where our faults are coming from but as it is we are all dealing with a blank interaction whereby nobody knows who like your post and who don't like your post all is blank like a blind person.
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Last week, I had a disagreement with one phsyco and he gave me negative karma and immediately I received a notification about that karma.
I think the negative Karma notification works but may be the server wasn't responsive that time when they gave you a negative karma and it could be the server was down that time when the negative karma was given and when it came online, it skipped the previous notification and continue in real time.
My own suggestion is to make it visible but admin has stand on his statement to make it the way it is but there are some special task to do if you want to see who gave you negative karma but you have to burn some ALLT tokens I think.
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So we can know where our faults are coming from but as it is we are all dealing with a blank interaction whereby nobody knows who like your post and who don't like your post all is blank like a blind person.
You can't see who gave you +ve karma then why you are interested in knowing when you receive negative karma, but yeah you can at least know that you have got one, and knowing that is also necessary, I was not noticing my karma till they reach 15 but from that point to till now I am keeping record of my points, karma so that I could understand the way of these things works.
I suggest you should mention the developer of TG bot PXZ here so that he would know you have made a thread here and he might act upon your request, besides it, the best way is to send him PM, or add this feature to his TG bot thread, he must be active there.
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I don't really think -Karma even makes sense, anyone can give you -Karma for any reason, you can argue with a member and they select one of your post and give you -Karma, i think this option should be disabled for members, and only the admins should be able to give -Karma. If a user is shitposting too much, you report them to the moderator and the admin can punish them with -10 Karma.
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I don't really think -Karma even makes sense, anyone can give you -Karma for any reason, you can argue with a member and they select one of your post and give you -Karma, i think this option should be disabled for members, and only the admins should be able to give -Karma. If a user is shitposting too much, you report them to the moderator and the admin can punish them with -10 Karma.
If someone has too many bad posts, as a moderator I can do much more than just give -karma. Negative karma is a community tool to make discussions better. You will not insult others too much if you know that others (not just someone insulted) will not like it and will give -karma, you will not necro bump topics just to meet the quota in a signature campaign if you know that others will give you -karma, you will not answer to the first post of the topic on the 6th page of it, etc. -karma is an important tool if users use it wisely. Those who abuse karma system will face with penalties.
So no, admin and moderators don't need any additional tools or options, I can do much more. But community has its own tool not depending on moderator's view, and that is good.
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I don't really think -Karma even makes sense, anyone can give you -Karma for any reason, you can argue with a member and they select one of your post and give you -Karma, i think this option should be disabled for members, and only the admins should be able to give -Karma.
It makes just as much sense as +karma. People can agree or disagree with something.
If you are worried about abuse, you can always ask the admin to check if there is abuse or you can even pay to see who gave -karma to you. The Eye of Sauron - See who gave you karma (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316161)
Read this entire thread, the admin confirmed that he deleted all karma points on several accounts where there was obvious abuse https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317946.0
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I don't really think -Karma even makes sense, anyone can give you -Karma for any reason, you can argue with a member and they select one of your post and give you -Karma, i think this option should be disabled for members, and only the admins should be able to give -Karma.
It makes just as much sense as +karma. People can agree or disagree with something.
If you are worried about abuse, you can always ask the admin to check if there is abuse or you can even pay to see who gave -karma to you. The Eye of Sauron - See who gave you karma (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316161)
Read this entire thread, the admin confirmed that he deleted all karma points on several accounts where there was obvious abuse https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317946.0
The admin finally made a move by giving a chance to other users who are curious especially for people who receive negative karma without even knowing the reason why and what post receives it. However, this is not a guaranteed outcome and will probably not going to be easy as the rules are the same as the raffle. However, it may be beneficial since many ALTT tokens may be burned due to people's curiosity about receiving negative karma.
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I still recall what the admin said in one of the threads about karma. He said that the forum had friendly people who could easily and freely drop a +karma, and that's true; people can easily get a positive karma here as long as your posts are not junk. You have already had an extra 3 +karma since you created this topic till now.
In respect to the altointalk notifier, it doesn't send notifications for -karma, but I don't really think it's even necessary because you cannot still tell who gave you the karma and the post that received the karma.
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-karma is an important tool if users use it wisely. Those who abuse karma system will face with penalties.
Thank you for the detailed clarification and now that i am sure there are penalties for abuse of karma, then i am sure karma would be used wisely. I was aware of the importance of both +karma and -karma, but my previous concern was in the aspect of abuse, but now i know people can be punished for that, then it is a great tool for the forum.
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I don't really think -Karma even makes sense, anyone can give you -Karma for any reason, you can argue with a member and they select one of your post and give you -Karma, i think this option should be disabled for members, and only the admins should be able to give -Karma. If a user is shitposting too much, you report them to the moderator and the admin can punish them with -10 Karma.
Although it is a good suggestion that's too much load for the admin and the moderators, it's good when there are a handful of members but once the community grows the admin cannot keep up reading every post here, or the admin can hire more moderators but its better this way for now like we are doing on Bitcointalk, we've done it and doing it great on Bitcointalk we can also do this here in Altcoinstalks.
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Thank you for the detailed clarification and now that i am sure there are penalties for abuse of karma, then i am sure karma would be used wisely. I was aware of the importance of both +karma and -karma, but my previous concern was in the aspect of abuse, but now i know people can be punished for that, then it is a great tool for the forum.
Of course, what is hoped is that this abuse can be detected by moderators. If misuse of karma is not detected by moderators for some reason, the penalty will still not apply. I realize that moderators are human too, so it would be best if we did not try to provoke this abuse by others.
It's better to post something positive and not try to make enemies on this forum. That way no unnecessary disputes occur here.
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Thank you for the detailed clarification and now that i am sure there are penalties for abuse of karma, then i am sure karma would be used wisely. I was aware of the importance of both +karma and -karma, but my previous concern was in the aspect of abuse, but now i know people can be punished for that, then it is a great tool for the forum.
Of course, what is hoped is that this abuse can be detected by moderators. If misuse of karma is not detected by moderators for some reason, the penalty will still not apply. I realize that moderators are human too, so it would be best if we did not try to provoke this abuse by others.
It's better to post something positive and not try to make enemies on this forum. That way no unnecessary disputes occur here.
You really shouldn't live in fear that if you post something someone doesn't like, you will make an enemy. People have disagreements everyday, friends have disagreements, and that doesn't mean they will become enemies. People just need to have healthy discussions and not try to force their views on another. We are allowed to think differently than someone else.
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It's better to post something positive and not try to make enemies on this forum. That way no unnecessary disputes occur here.
You should express yourself freely without worrying about things like this, you cannot control the decision of others, just make quality posts and do not break the forum rules, that is the best you can do. The forum admin would then handle cases of abuse, but if you allow possible abuse affect what you post, you surely would not enjoy the forum.
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In respect to the altointalk notifier, it doesn't send notifications for -karma,
Probably because you have not received -Karma because before I create this thread someone has complained that he got -Karma and he got the notification from altcoinstalks and also after this my thread there was a day plenty people complained that they received 20+ -Karmas and below in one day and later the following day all the -Karmas were reversed. So even -Karma appears in the notification and not only +karma.
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I was having 55 positive karmas for about a week and today when I login I discovered that one of my positive karmas is no more and now they are 54 and I didn't get a notification for the -Karma so I am inquisitive to know if the creator of the notification bot only put +Karma and not -Karma. It would be better to have a notification fe the both -Karma and +Karma. I don't know if other people also have this experienced before or not. This -Karma will create drama here oh! And we have been saying that the comments that led to the -+karmas should be see even though the names are not showing. So we can know where our faults are coming from but as it is we are all dealing with a blank interaction whereby nobody knows who like your post and who don't like your post all is blank like a blind person.
I've experienced same thing, but mine was twelve karma, and the next day I logged in and saw eleven karma. I totally agree with you on what you are saying, there should be notifications for karma, and also the post that we have the karma for either + or - karma, so that we can know how to adjust...
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I've experienced same thing, but mine was twelve karma, and the next day I logged in and saw eleven karma. I totally agree with you on what you are saying, there should be notifications for karma, and also the post that we have the karma for either + or - karma, so that we can know how to adjust...
You can receive notifications about negative and positive karma using PX-Z's bot, AltcoinsTalks Telegram Notifier (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315728.0). As for the karma counter in the threads/posts, the administrator said that he was already working on it, so we need to be patient and give him time to do all the things he has pending on the list.
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I don't really think -Karma even makes sense, anyone can give you -Karma for any reason, you can argue with a member and they select one of your post and give you -Karma, i think this option should be disabled for members, and only the admins should be able to give -Karma. If a user is shitposting too much, you report them to the moderator and the admin can punish them with -10 Karma.
I agree with you. In a forum where everyone is allowed to share his opinion, I don't think any opinion can be wrong as long as it is not plagiarized. You might not support my opinion that doesn't mean others won't support it and so what's the need for a -karma. As you have said, some persons with dubious character might use that as a revenge strategy to witch hunt individuals of good mind. It is better to neglect or give a contrary opinion to a post made by someone than to give a -karma. If possible, -karma should he disabled because to me it serves no purpose.
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I totally agree with you on what you are saying, there should be notifications for karma, and also the post that we have the karma for either + or - karma, so that we can know how to adjust...
Why?
Like seriously, why would you need to adjust what you say based on what somebody thinks of you?
You're going to adjust according to that and then you will get -2 from other guys, you try to please that too and you end up posting not what you think but what you think others would like to read, aka totally useless neutral things that make no "enemies".
I'm already imagining what the "demerit" button would have done on the other forum, probably a river of blood and tears.
Both you and Agbe, somebody didn't like your post, didn't like your attitude, maybe clicked by mistake, maybe he was pissed at the whole world, maybe he was drunk, who cares??? Are you going to change your way of being for someone who came drunk from a brothel and negged a dozen users? ;D
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You can receive notifications about negative and positive karma using PX-Z's bot, AltcoinsTalks Telegram Notifier (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315728.0).
Thanks for the mention, i never thought this thread exists. The thread was posted a month old, i should already made reply if this was posted on the telegram's bot thread since it's the main purpose why this thread was made of
Or if someone mention me earlier as i'm always online.
As for the OP, the bot only scrape data from user's profile on a certain number of minutes, i always change it depends on the forum's server status and behaviour. I always change it for 10 minutes to hours before the bot scrape again.
Say you already have 55 karma, but you just receive -karma, so you should have 54. But the bot never scrape your profile yet, but in a span of 10 minutes you receive 2 +karma from different users until then the bot scrape your profile, then the bot will only notify you that you have 56 total so a +2 karma is sent to notify you, disregarding the -karma notification.
This is the same explanation to those who received more than 2 +karma notification.
The bot doesn't work real-time notification, because it only scrape web page on N time. Real-time notification only works if admin and i worked together like having an API on the karma logs of the forum but in respect on other karma features of the forum this is only i can do.
Well, actually, this was already explained on that thread too how the bot works on karma notification.
As for the -karma thoughts and drama, i'm out of it. Reddit is the most good example of it that its good to have + and - karma buttons.
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Both you and Agbe, somebody didn't like your post, didn't like your attitude, maybe clicked by mistake, maybe he was pissed at the whole world, maybe he was drunk, who cares??? Are you going to change your way of being for someone who came drunk from a brothel and negged a dozen users? ;D
I thought you are responsible and respected forum user of the both sides but you displayed the opposite. I thought you would made a meaningful contribution if someone what to know more but you post for weekly quota. I was surprised to see you unrefined comment this evening. As you are not care, I am not care as well. Look at the contribution PX-Z made. It is very educative. I noticed something after the creation of the forum notification bot and we are to ask if the mistake was from the development process or from other sources, but look at what you said. Your attack has nothing to do with me. Because you have attacked me several times in bitcointalk. I came to understand bitcoin in bitcointalk and I am still learning. So even though you are not contributing to knowledge others do.
I never learned anything from you even in bitcointalk so even if you insult me, it wouldn't pain me because no have not contributed anything to me. Please stay clear from my post and comments if they are not worth commenting. It is a very simple issue. You just skip my posts and that is all. No thanks.
PX-Z Thanks for the explanation.