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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: yahoo62278 on March 30, 2024, 09:09:28 PM
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Ok so I was reading the user using AI on BTT thread and seen a comment that got me thinking. Comment is below.
I think that admin is thinking of giving this member a clean start, so everyone get ready to detect AI generated posts.
Campaign managers should pay close attention to this member, if I was in that position I would not accept him in my campaign.
This forum is using a pretty cool feature and allowing users to teleport their accounts from the other forum to here. Most forums you sign up, create your account, and start making your persona from the actions you do. You can use any username that isn't taken, you can even use a reputable name from another place you are or have been a part of. Some would do this trying to fool people and scam, but that's not the point of this thread.
Being as users teleport their accounts, we know that they are the same person from the other forum. Why shouldn't their reputation follow them? If they wanted a fresh start, why wouldn't they just make a new account, new username, and leave that name in the past?
I see people (mainly staff) saying things like giving them a fresh start or whatever and if they start acting up we will give them badges, but a leopard can't change his spots IMO. Since we are not just making random names upon signing up and we are directly importing our persona from the other forum, our reputation should IMO follow us. If someone wants a clean fresh start, then teleporting should not be the route they take.
I get it, they don't want to start over, but that's the choice they make when making an account here. I was a scammer or cheater on the other forum, do I make a new name new persona for myself or keep the same name and hope nobody pays attention???
I do believe that some cases are up for debate such as the case I was reading when this topic came to mind. This is not a thread about that particular user, it's a thread in general on the subject. Yes there are some cases where an exception could be made but not many.
This is not a thread to beat up admins either. They have the right to run the forum as they see fit. Just curious how everyone feels on the subject.
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yahoo62278 you have spoken well to the subject matter. And I will not beat around the bush but straight to the main point of the thread. Yes whatever one did in the other forum both good or bad and if that user teleport himself or herself to this forum or another forum those behaviors would follow him because it has become a habit for the use and other users who knew him should monitor him before display it in the other side but you don't have to castigate him instant but watch the user for sometimes to know his posting history in the new teleported forum. If the behavior is not like the other forum then you have to let him be. And that means he has changed in his or her bad behavior from the other side.
As I said give the person more time to see if the behavior is still remain the same. The said guy in question is here in the forum and he has made some posts, now on your own, how is the post history so far by the user here? If they are the same then he is not qualified to be in any forum but if he has changed then we can still put him on the watch list.
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to give my 2 cents:
reputation does follow a user, bounty managers already know the user
but there's no reason to welcome a user with rocks.
In most cases you are right, a user will do whatever he used to do,
but before we see that behaviour, we should offer the benefit of the doubt.
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to give my 2 cents:
reputation does follow a user, bounty managers already know the user
but there's no reason to welcome a user with rocks.
In most cases you are right, a user will do whatever he used to do,
but before we see that behaviour, we should offer the benefit of the doubt.
I guessed it's better this, since while majority will continue to try and act smart here some may want to clear their name and I have seen some threads were some BTT members are appealing for their tag.
Also the system here is getting better with the addition of quality bar and I have seen even Op, working with it as a campaign manager while this is a much more better option, is that not everyone keeping the rules at BTT will actually act right here since it's still growing with being less strict than BTT and see this as a chance of going against the rule.
Great job so far
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We live in a world where convicted criminals have become Presidents, Imans, Priests, and other wonderful figures in society, and I have seen cases where people have spent half of their lives in prison just to discover that they were falsely accused. We live in a society where character is not etched in stone.
The topic is indirectly related to me, and I've been here for a few days, and people who are neutral on my case can see that I'm not someone who needs AI to express my thoughts. At the end of the day, everyone has the right to their own judgement and opinion.
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Being as users teleport their accounts, we know that they are the same person from the other forum. Why shouldn't their reputation follow them? If they wanted a fresh start, why wouldn't they just make a new account, new username, and leave that name in the past?
I see people (mainly staff) saying things like giving them a fresh start or whatever and if they start acting up we will give them badges, but a leopard can't change his spots IMO. Since we are not just making random names upon signing up and we are directly importing our persona from the other forum, our reputation should IMO follow us. If someone wants a clean fresh start, then teleporting should not be the route they take.
Somehow, our reputation (or the lack of it) is following all of us teleported users.
Campaign managers, for example, are considered trusted by the community, because they have proven themselves in btt forum. And other members too, by being accepted in campaigns and being recognized by their buddies and colleagues.
Howver, there isn't an absolute feedback in btt, because default trust members is always changing. Sometimes I have +1 or 0 or +4 trust , depending on who is in DT that month. So we can't really teleport trust.
I think that allowing us to send feedback would be nice, and we would be able to show who we trust and who we don't.
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This is a very good subject yahoo have brought up here, and one that actually needs to be critically looked into, this same thought actually came to my mind some several weeks ago after going over the ALTT shop and seeing that we can actually as well, import our btt forum reputation to this forum by paying for it, which is, burning some specified amount of ALTT tokens, if I still remember well, I think from $5 worth to $10 or more dollar worth of Altt depending on the number of trusts a user has.
And I actually thought within myself, that this is something only those with positive trust would want to do, and not those with negative trust, because none with negative trust will want to on their own, damage their reputation here as it has been damaged on btt.
But all the same, good to see that the admin is not ignorant of this subject, so I assume (like he said) he allowed everyone a clean start, which is teleporting without our reputation tags, to give us all the benefit of doubt, most especially the ones with negative reputation tags and so.
Good one anyway, but would have been nicer if those with positive reputation tags are or were teleported with their trust feedbacks.
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I think that the Quality Bar is sufficient in this case. Before teleporting their accounts, admin can go to the profile and check the account activity and give the appropriate mark. After 3-6 months have passed, if the account holder changes his behavior, account can actively participate in the forum, and during this time acc will not be able to get a paid signature and need an escrow to conduct transactions.
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Reputation is usually tied with a name. Like Yahoo62278 said if you want to start afresh you could have used a new name. You can't eat your cake and still have it. But I understand the thoughts of the admin. Users especially that were using AI's can be given a chance. Their actions weren't the best but they didn't hurt or try to hurt any like a scammer would. I believe no matter how we say it reputation with come along with teleportation with name but shouldn't be the final judgement towards a person character. Besides the severity of the action should be investigated if it's chronic then changing would be hard. I guess everybody believe in change and can give examples of criminals or offenders that have turned a new leaf and become the best version of themselves but the question is how are their numbers compare to the ones that didn't change. Instead they become smarter and harder to catch.
In a nutshell, Reputation would follow one here but we should always remember that this is not BTT but another forum entirely with their method of handling issues. I can see that the admin prefers the understanding approach giving chances, this is great only if it's accompanied by Good monitoring to prevent any reoccurence of their action.
As an AI content creator I believe the user deserve a chance to be pardoned but punishment in case of forfeiting their promise should be stricter. Personally would find it weird if a known scammer is given a second chance though.
I think that the Quality Bar is sufficient in this case. Before teleporting their accounts, admin can go to the profile and check the account activity and give the appropriate mark. After 3-6 months have passed, if the account holder changes his behavior, account can actively participate in the forum, and during this time acc will not be able to get a paid signature and need an escrow to conduct transactions.
This would Do. I'm not really a fan of the DTT system in BTT.Like every good thing that was started for the betterment of the organization it has been influenced by individuals that it has become a weapon to fight one another. Using probation of such can help judge the individual character and check if they really serious about changing but some would play smart and act like they have changed until said mark is removed. Well This doesn't deny the fact that using this would help.
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Reputation is usually tied with a name. Like Yahoo62278 said if you want to start afresh you could have used a new name. You can't eat your cake and still have it. But I understand the thoughts of the admin. Users especially that were using AI's can be given a chance. Their actions weren't the best but they didn't hurt or try to hurt any like a scammer would. I believe no matter how we say it reputation with come along with teleportation with name but shouldn't be the final judgement towards a person character. Besides the severity of the action should be investigated if it's chronic then changing would be hard. I guess everybody believe in change and can give examples of criminals or offenders that have turned a new leaf and become the best version of themselves but the question is how are their numbers compare to the ones that didn't change. Instead they become smarter and harder to catch.
In a nutshell, Reputation would follow one here but we should always remember that this is not BTT but another forum entirely with their method of handling issues. I can see that the admin prefers the understanding approach giving chances, this is great only if it's accompanied by Good monitoring to prevent any reoccurence of their action.
As an AI content creator I believe the user deserve a chance to be pardoned but punishment in case of forfeiting their promise should be stricter. Personally would find it weird if a known scammer is given a second chance though.
I think that the Quality Bar is sufficient in this case. Before teleporting their accounts, admin can go to the profile and check the account activity and give the appropriate mark. After 3-6 months have passed, if the account holder changes his behavior, account can actively participate in the forum, and during this time acc will not be able to get a paid signature and need an escrow to conduct transactions.
This would Do. I'm not really a fan of the DTT system in BTT.Like every good thing that was started for the betterment of the organization it has been influenced by individuals that it has become a weapon to fight one another. Using probation of such can help judge the individual character and check if they really serious about changing but some would play smart and act like they have changed until said mark is removed. Well This doesn't deny the fact that using this would help.
You're paying special attention to AI as if that's the reason for this post?? I don't agree that AI should be allowed, but that's the least of my worries. This is geared more towards scammers and my feeling that they shouldn't be given a 2nd chance.
Let's say someone purchased a trusted account on the forum, pulled off a scam for 1btc. They got tagged by everyone, then came here with a clean history. They then look to do a massive deal and find someone willing to send 1st. Those types of peoples reputation and negatives should follow them to help try to prevent that.
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You're paying special attention to AI as if that's the reason for this post?? I don't agree that AI should be allowed, but that's the least of my worries. This is geared more towards scammers and my feeling that they shouldn't be given a 2nd chance.
Let's say someone purchased a trusted account on the forum, pulled off a scam for 1btc. They got tagged by everyone, then came here with a clean history. They then look to do a massive deal and find someone willing to send 1st. Those types of peoples reputation and negatives should follow them to help try to prevent that.
I was of the notion it was because Boco something it was about them or related.
I think I added that scammers given second chance would be weird. Good and bad reputation are attached to names and as the name is teleported so is the reputation. The admin should give a tag to individuals that are considered scammers. It's hard for me to believe someone that could cheat their fellow could change especially in forums like this that provides anonymity.
Personally would find it weird if a known scammer is given a second chance though.
This was my thought in my previous reply
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I think that the Quality Bar is sufficient in this case. Before teleporting their accounts, admin can go to the profile and check the account activity and give the appropriate mark. After 3-6 months have passed, if the account holder changes his behavior, account can actively participate in the forum, and during this time acc will not be able to get a paid signature and need an escrow to conduct transactions.
That would mean manual monitoring of users who have a bad reputation from the other forum. Who would do such a thing for 3-6 months, the admin? I don't think he has enough time to do that. Considering the continuous number of users asking to teleport their accounts to this forum.
Since the decision of the admin to give them the chance to have a new start and change their reputation, the only thing we can do is to monitor their activities. Like what the admin said the other day on the ALT Chat, all eyes are on that user. It is when our responsibility to see any improvements from that user if he changes his way to have a new start in this new home.
But of course, giving a second chance still depends on the scenario. Just like how yahoo is pointing out about the scammers, getting teleported here with a clean history, there will be a high probability to have a victim here. Giving them a special tag to warn the other local and teleported users that having transactions with them might have a great risk.
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I agree with the admin word for word. I think we all agree that this forum should not be a BTT clone. With the arrival of many teleporters some suggestions have been made and some things have been changed but in this case I would leave things as they are. As the admin says, the managers are going to check the user's reputation on the other forum and here they can have a second chance.
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Being as users teleport their accounts, we know that they are the same person from the other forum. Why shouldn't their reputation follow them? If they wanted a fresh start, why wouldn't they just make a new account, new username, and leave that name in the past?
I see people (mainly staff) saying things like giving them a fresh start or whatever and if they start acting up we will give them badges, but a leopard can't change his spots IMO. Since we are not just making random names upon signing up and we are directly importing our persona from the other forum, our reputation should IMO follow us. If someone wants a clean fresh start, then teleporting should not be the route they take.
Different forums, different rules, different communities. What can be actual on the BTT can be not the same here. Of course you can't pretend someone else when everybody knows you, but administrative actions can't be based on the decisions made somewhere else by some other people who relied on some other principles and rules.
Of course if someone used to break rules on BTT we try to keep our eyes on him, but if he doesn't misbehave here all his bad history in other places is not important.
What is different, if someone is a proven scammer. If you see someone who try to teleport and you have enough evidence, we'll look at it immediately and if we'll agree with facts, then corresponding actions can be made not waiting until he will try to scam someone here.
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In this regard, I think that when teleporting, a user's previous rank in another forum automatically gets the rank it will be just his positive reput. I think when once he teleports his account negative side should also teleport. Because if he is a scammer or spammer then he should be teleported by ranking up these qualities. Otherwise, many users may fall prey to scams just by seeing high ranking without knowing it.
But I think when campaign managers select a participant, they have to spend a little extra time which is a bit annoying. Manually searching and verifying by searching is time consuming. Although I used my own extension that I created for Bitcointalk. If you select the name and right-click the mouse & choose the option, it will take you directly to ninjastic.space statics of that user. If you want you can visit it- One click and jump in to ninjastic.space [Time saving tricks] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5429088.msg61449572#msg61449572)
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I think when once he teleports his account negative side should also teleport. Because if he is a scammer or spammer then he should be teleported by ranking up these qualities. Otherwise, many users may fall prey to scams just by seeing high ranking without knowing it.
I spent some time looking through tags left by different DT members and I can say that many are not active and don't really understand how the system should work, some leave tags because they just disagree with someone or have some personal problems. How can we be sure that someone from another forum did a good enough research and his conclusion is fair enough? So we need to recheck all the investigation each time? Who has so much time? This idea is far from being as good as it can seem from the first sight. ???
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What is different, if someone is a proven scammer. If you see someone who try to teleport and you have enough evidence, we'll look at it immediately and if we'll agree with facts, then corresponding actions can be made not waiting until he will try to scam someone here.
Probably that person would not teleport, he would use a different username.
However, if proven to be the same person, he will probably be tagged.
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I get it, they don't want to start over, but that's the choice they make when making an account here. I was a scammer or cheater on the other forum, do I make a new name new persona for myself or keep the same name and hope nobody pays attention???
Really delicate subject, and the whole thing about "reputation" is adding more headaches to the debate!
So, I think we should differentiate a bit based on the whole previous reputation
-is the guy a known cheater who defaulted on a loan for example? I don't know if his account would even get teleported but in this case yeah, he's still a cheater and still a defaulter
- are we talking about a guy who plagiarized on BTT? Well, he did get his punishment there so as long as we talk about this forum he hasn't done anything wrong yet, much like somebody who did his time and moved to a new country. His presence might raise eyebrows but this is a thing about proving all of us wrong, if he isn't doing any plagiarism anymore, what can we accuse him of?
But while agreeing on giving a break for minor things I also back an increased punishment for the ones that were given a chance and blew it away again.
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I think that the Quality Bar is sufficient in this case. Before teleporting their accounts, admin can go to the profile and check the account activity and give the appropriate mark. After 3-6 months have passed, if the account holder changes his behavior, account can actively participate in the forum, and during this time acc will not be able to get a paid signature and need an escrow to conduct transactions.
well spoken. The quality bar has the final say in such case. And if I will add to want nyou have Said, it is good to allow everyone from other forums to teleport themselves to this place and if any account does not meet up the require quality of the forum posting then quality bar will be the final answer and at that time the user will not deny again. I have seen many teleported accounts gotten the red bar already. So I will also like to ask this question. Will those users who have gotten the red bar which indicates that they are very bad in posting quality have an effect in the bitcointalk forum? yahoo62278 can also look I to this one too. Because I have seen some from BTT gotten the red bar.
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What is different, if someone is a proven scammer. If you see someone who try to teleport and you have enough evidence, we'll look at it immediately and if we'll agree with facts, then corresponding actions can be made not waiting until he will try to scam someone here.
Probably that person would not teleport, he would use a different username.
However, if proven to be the same person, he will probably be tagged.
A scammer will be a scammer no matter what platform he is in. The scammer should have the red circle under his username to mark his a bad actor of the forum.
The same logic to follow, if a user has good reputation on bitcointalk since his account is teleported, his altcointalks account is reflecting the good reputation from bitcointalk.
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If someone who has done wrong things on other forum then he/she will be called again and again for those wrong things. No matter if that person change himself/herself, the rest of the members will always have that negative image of them in their mind.
We all know that most of the members of this forum are teleported members of Bitcointalk and that's why they have knowledge about the members who got red tags on Bitcointalk due to scamming or for other reasons.
It would be a tough job to believe such members and giving them second chance would also be quite tough decision. But, if someone who got tagged due to a reason that doesn't fall into scamming then such users might get another chance to prove that they won't repeat the same mistakes on this forum.
A few weeks ago an admin of Bitcointalk also created a thread in Meta where he gave second chance to those members who were banned for breaking of the forum rules. I don't exactly remember how many members got the second chance, but I know that one member got a second chance.
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What is different, if someone is a proven scammer. If you see someone who try to teleport and you have enough evidence, we'll look at it immediately and if we'll agree with facts, then corresponding actions can be made not waiting until he will try to scam someone here.
Probably that person would not teleport, he would use a different username.
However, if proven to be the same person, he will probably be tagged.
A scammer will be a scammer no matter what platform he is in. The scammer should have the red circle under his username to mark his a bad actor of the forum.
The same logic to follow, if a user has good reputation on bitcointalk since his account is teleported, his altcointalks account is reflecting the good reputation from bitcointalk.
Exactly, I support you BitcoinGirl.Club, a scammer will never change because the it is in the blood. They will even use the ignorant of the new forum to Scam people so if such users is noticed and the first thing to do is to tag the scammer and written boldly on the profile "Scammer" so that users would not fall victim.
But someone that was using AI can change in behavior because probably he was not too good with the standard English to communicate with others so he uses AI or grammarly keyboard to make some corrections. But when you have been warned to stopped and you persistently used it then it is no longer good habit then it is a deliberate attitude so it most punish.
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In my opinion, there are small violations that can be overlooked when moving to another forum. Most members come to the forum at the beginning and do not have much experience with the rules of the forum, so they commit some violations. With time, they improve and realize their mistakes, and they may need a new beginning free of mistakes, and this can achieve On it in the new forum.
As for the members who have been proven to deceive and defraud others and steal their money, such people cannot be overlooked or given the opportunity to start a new beginning, because the fraudster who is accustomed to fraud will not change his behavior, but rather is looking for a new opportunity to defraud a new victim.
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[/size]That would mean manual monitoring of users who have a bad reputation from the other forum. Who would do such a thing for 3-6 months, the admin? I don't think he has enough time to do that. Considering the continuous number of users asking to teleport their accounts to this forum.
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red-DOT will not be able to make profits from signature campaigns, and no one will trade with them without trust, so giving those accounts a chance of 3-6 months to prove that they deserve a second chance is something okay.
Again, it must be taken case by case. I do not expect an account with -12 negative trust, to do well if he is given a second chance.
How can we be sure that someone from another forum did a good enough research and his conclusion is fair enough? So we need to recheck all the investigation each time? Who has so much time? This idea is far from being as good as it can seem from the first sight. ???
The system gives more decentralization, and I do not think that you will find an account with more than -3 negative trust, all of which are personal opinions or based on a biased analysis. You can also build your own trust list if you do not like the opinions of some accounts, as each account has its own trust list and through it you can Determines who to trust and who not to trust.
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How can we be sure that someone from another forum did a good enough research and his conclusion is fair enough? So we need to recheck all the investigation each time? Who has so much time? This idea is far from being as good as it can seem from the first sight. ???
The system gives more decentralization, and I do not think that you will find an account with more than -3 negative trust, all of which are personal opinions or based on a biased analysis. You can also build your own trust list if you do not like the opinions of some accounts, as each account has its own trust list and through it you can Determines who to trust and who not to trust.
Thanks, I know about a personal Trust list and I think that Trust system is good for BTT concerning the system that forum has. Many things there are not moderated, there is no negative merit option, etc., so there is a need in some tool for community to deal with bad actors. And Trust system works not so bad, even if to keep in mind that mistakes are not only possible, but are. But AltcoinsTalks is different and we talk about that it is not good to take the result of working of some system from one forum to some different forum. I think that Trust system is good for BTT and at the same time I think that it is neither needed for AltcoinsTalks nor results of its work can be blindly taken to AltcoinsTalks.
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I do believe that some cases are up for debate such as the case I was reading when this topic came to mind. This is not a thread about that particular user, it's a thread in general on the subject. Yes there are some cases where an exception could be made but not many.
This is not a thread to beat up admins either. They have the right to run the forum as they see fit. Just curious how everyone feels on the subject.
I have a famous dialogue: This should be handled case-to-case. Usually, I am against negative tags when it comes to offenses like AI usage. A neutral tag is more appropriate. But, the user we are talking about exceeded the limit of AI usage. He was tagged before for AI usage, and later, his negative tag was removed because of the community's suggestions. But when someone does not change after a 2nd chance, that is something you should not forgive. If someone does an offense repeatedly, then you should take action against them.
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[/size]That would mean manual monitoring of users who have a bad reputation from the other forum. Who would do such a thing for 3-6 months, the admin? I don't think he has enough time to do that. Considering the continuous number of users asking to teleport their accounts to this forum.
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red-DOT will not be able to make profits from signature campaigns, and no one will trade with them without trust, so giving those accounts a chance of 3-6 months to prove that they deserve a second chance is something okay.
Again, it must be taken case by case. I do not expect an account with -12 negative trust, to do well if he is given a second chance.
The red dot or the quality bar will only be given if the user is found to have a low quality or using the AI tool again the same as he is doing on the other forum. Just like the admin stated, if he had done something bad such as using AI, he should still be given a chance to have a fresh start in this forum. If he starts to do the same thing in this forum, that is when the admin will take action and will give the necessary color of the dot and might as well put him on their watch list.
And yes, I agree with you that it should be taken case by case. Let's say the user has done a severe penalty like initiating a scam or taking money that is initially not owned by him. In that case, it is a situation that should be taken action immediately.
But then again, if this is the kind of case we have, I don't think that kind of user, who scammed money from other people, will choose to request to transfer his rank from another forum to here. That action will only be taken by a fool.
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Being as users teleport their accounts, we know that they are the same person from the other forum. Why shouldn't their reputation follow them? If they wanted a fresh start, why wouldn't they just make a new account, new username, and leave that name in the past?
Who says there are no such users?
And on Btt some just rejected "bad" accounts and started from the beginning.
On topic, It is easy to recognize "good" users, but the teleport of reputation is also very important for the prevention of scams.
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This is an interesting discussion and I believe it should follow you in a way that would serve here "a new start" but with a warning. Anyone could have that fresh start by creating a new persona but choosing to stay the same is a choice that they made and maybe can be given a chance to show how reformed they are.
Maybe have fresh start for them isn't that bad unless it's scamming or something.
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This is an interesting discussion and I believe it should follow you in a way that would serve here "a new start" but with a warning. Anyone could have that fresh start by creating a new persona but choosing to stay the same is a choice that they made and maybe can be given a chance to show how reformed they are.
Maybe have fresh start for them isn't that bad unless it's scamming or something.
I don't think anyone is such an idiot as to have an account with scam tags on BTT and want to teleport that account here, but I'm also telling you that I've seen stranger things when it comes to users. In case any user with tags tags was seen here trying to bring their account, that account would be immediately blocked with no possibility of using it again.
Users who misbehave, use AI, plagiarize, or have other habits that go against the rules of the forum, have 2 options.
1- They can forget about those habits and respect and abide by the rules of the forum.
2- They may continue their behavior and habits and be punished, with the problems this could have in the future.
One of those 2 options has a future in this forum, the other does not.
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I am all for giving someone a second chance, but first they need to admit they made a mistake, not to pretend, lie and continue cheating.
Than you see member complaining to admin because someone gave him negative karma and calling it abuse ;D
So one time sent negative karma is abuse for him :o
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Yeah, it should. Many of us who are being teleported here might have known one another by forum name through BTT and we also each other relevancy in areas they have helped out and make their presence known to other forum members. For example, Yahoo62278, many of us must have known you to be among the respected and trusted campaign managers we have in the BTT forum and here also. It will be funny and not welcoming when you act in a way we don't know you for in the BTT forum and here. And to you, you would like to protect your image not dirt because it speaks value about you because many people are looking up to you as being the sincere campaign manager they know.
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I think you are right here, giving some users a chance to start over again is more risky for newbies that will deal with these kind of profiles where they have a good membership level and hidden bad history, for instance a legendary account in BTT forum which has been tagged with several red flags and bad trust due to proven scam cases, now if he gets a chance with a good user here, who wasn’t in the other forum, started a trade with this teleported scammer, I believe nothing good will ever happen from such incidents.
I can’t say also some users will try their best to change and start fresh, maybe feeling guilty to such history and mistakes they have done. However, the risks are higher and if a person really wants to change his actions, he can simply start with a new account and build everything from point zero and gain a true deserved trust.
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to give my 2 cents:
reputation does follow a user, bounty managers already know the user
but there's no reason to welcome a user with rocks.
In most cases you are right, a user will do whatever he used to do,
but before we see that behaviour, we should offer the benefit of the doubt.
And with active Admin here as You?for sure nothing is left behind in terms of account behavior specially when the account involved have been mentioned ,and kudos to you admin that welcomed us with all respect and trust thanks to that.
I can’t say also some users will try their best to change and start fresh, maybe feeling guilty to such history and mistakes they have done. However, the risks are higher and if a person really wants to change his actions, he can simply start with a new account and build everything from point zero and gain a true deserved trust.
I also think that this account in name will do have fresh start , and since he knew how easy to detect AI generated users ?i doubt that he will do the same thing here though Hoping that all rules will be followed by him and not to break even one.
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to give my 2 cents:
reputation does follow a user, bounty managers already know the user
but there's no reason to welcome a user with rocks.
In most cases you are right, a user will do whatever he used to do,
but before we see that behaviour, we should offer the benefit of the doubt.
And with active Admin here as You?for sure nothing is left behind in terms of account behavior specially when the account involved have been mentioned ,and kudos to you admin that welcomed us with all respect and trust thanks to that.
I can’t say also some users will try their best to change and start fresh, maybe feeling guilty to such history and mistakes they have done. However, the risks are higher and if a person really wants to change his actions, he can simply start with a new account and build everything from point zero and gain a true deserved trust.
I also think that this account in name will do have fresh start , and since he knew how easy to detect AI generated users ?i doubt that he will do the same thing here though Hoping that all rules will be followed by him and not to break even one.
Let me reiterate that this is not about AI or the borov dude. The thread about him just got me thinking and the guys who scammed on the other forum and think they can come here and start fresh are the ones I worry about. I would hate to see someone with a decent reputation scam 1btc over there, then come here as if nothing happened and eventually do the same thing. Likely most members would be aware of the guy, but some unsuspecting person might fall for a scam.
I guess at any point in time and mamber could decide fuck it and scam, but as long as we as a community stay vigilant, we should be ok mostly.
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to give my 2 cents:
reputation does follow a user, bounty managers already know the user
but there's no reason to welcome a user with rocks.
In most cases you are right, a user will do whatever he used to do,
but before we see that behaviour, we should offer the benefit of the doubt.
And with active Admin here as You?for sure nothing is left behind in terms of account behavior specially when the account involved have been mentioned ,and kudos to you admin that welcomed us with all respect and trust thanks to that.
I can’t say also some users will try their best to change and start fresh, maybe feeling guilty to such history and mistakes they have done. However, the risks are higher and if a person really wants to change his actions, he can simply start with a new account and build everything from point zero and gain a true deserved trust.
I also think that this account in name will do have fresh start , and since he knew how easy to detect AI generated users ?i doubt that he will do the same thing here though Hoping that all rules will be followed by him and not to break even one.
Let me reiterate that this is not about AI or the borov dude. The thread about him just got me thinking and the guys who scammed on the other forum and think they can come here and start fresh are the ones I worry about. I would hate to see someone with a decent reputation scam 1btc over there, then come here as if nothing happened and eventually do the same thing. Likely most members would be aware of the guy, but some unsuspecting person might fall for a scam.
I guess at any point in time and mamber could decide fuck it and scam, but as long as we as a community stay vigilant, we should be ok mostly.
Lol I forgot to clarify that the calling comes from another thread about Him being using AI posts and not this post of yours , and also I quoted the admin since I have experienced His working ethics and how he replied easily when I have issues so that's why it runs like that.
and you are correct as now we can see a a Great Manager like you actively engaging in such issues helping the forum to become more vigilant and yeah fighting those BS behavior of other accounts.
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Let me reiterate that this is not about AI or the borov dude. The thread about him just got me thinking and the guys who scammed on the other forum and think they can come here and start fresh are the ones I worry about. I would hate to see someone with a decent reputation scam 1btc over there, then come here as if nothing happened and eventually do the same thing. Likely most members would be aware of the guy, but some unsuspecting person might fall for a scam.
I guess at any point in time and mamber could decide fuck it and scam, but as long as we as a community stay vigilant, we should be ok mostly.
When it comes to proven scammers, they should have their negative tags here as well. But I said it should vary from case to case because you know that people leave negative tags for stupid things. Sometimes, those users deserve negative tags on that forum, but if they are not scammers and want to have a fresh start, I guess you can give them the benefit of the doubt and the 2nd chance to improve themself. People do not remain the same forever. They can change if they have a positive mindset. But we never know what is going to happen in the future. If someone is not a proven scammer, you can give them a benefit of doubt.
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Being as users teleport their accounts, we know that they are the same person from the other forum. Why shouldn't their reputation follow them? If they wanted a fresh start, why wouldn't they just make a new account, new username, and leave that name in the past?
Well I agree with this. These are forums where you can trade stuff, so you should be treated as the same person as any other forum you are on, for transactional purposes.
On regular forums like Slashdot or something, it is not much of a big deal.
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Well I agree with this. These are forums where you can trade stuff, so you should be treated as the same person as any other forum you are on, for transactional purposes.
On regular forums like Slashdot or something, it is not much of a big deal.
How many people use the forum to trade? How much is the percentage? I am sure it's less than 5%. Most users (Including me) use the forum because they want to make money from the campaigns and learn about new projects and other things every day. If someone is a proven scammer who cheated on others, damaging someone, they deserve to get negative tags.
Shouldn't you see every case one by one? Shouldn't it depend on the case? If someone gets a negative tag for something stupid that they can stop doing if they want, then it would be better to give them a chance. If they repeat the same thing = Negative tag.
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I don't think anyone is such an idiot as to have an account with scam tags on BTT and want to teleport that account here, but I'm also telling you that I've seen stranger things when it comes to users. In case any user with tags tags was seen here trying to bring their account, that account would be immediately blocked with no possibility of using it again.
So we didn't have yet someone claiming his tags were an abuse on BTT and that he wants a fresh start and he's now good and he actually paid back the money, so on and on? Weird I would have expected a few to at least try, if they still take 5-10 minutes from their asking for loans nobody will give them what would be so extraordinary to try this new approach.
Anyhow, going through the replies, here, I think we should also think of another aspect, I feel like too many are focused on the misbehaving happening on BTT and then the users wants a fresh start here, now, how we would deal with this situation:
User A has a clean record on BTT, moves here, still has a clean record, and after a few months pass by he pulls a scam on BTT!
Will he also get tagged here, for a thing he has done outside the forum?
Would the usual excuse it's not my account anymore work?
If he has sold the account on which he gained ranks here by teleporting, would that mean he loses this one too?
I'm quite curious how others see this!
And of course ;D I apologize beforehand knowing damn too well how much headaches just analyzing those scenarios can cause to someone!
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Reputation follows us from BTT to this forum, regardless of whether someone wants it or not, and I don't think anyone can escape from it. The only question is whether people will turn their heads and pretend they don't know anything, or whether they will be on the lookout and maybe even warn others.
When it comes to ordinary spam, plagiarism or the use of AI, I believe that everyone deserves a second chance and should not be condemned in advance, but a bad reputation that has its roots in financial fraud, the creation of alt farms and their abuse through bounty/signature campaigns, death threats or something similarly simply cannot be ignored.
People who do such things are very likely to try to do them again, and there is an old saying that says "prevention is better than cure".
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I agree with @yahoo62278 that if a user wants to start from 0, the most logical thing to do is to register a new account, but that would make it impossible to participate in signature campaigns. I've always thought that we all deserve another chance, that what we've done in the past doesn't mark us for life, as we're supposed to learn from our mistakes. The key is in what @Jokers said, different forums, different rules. The user or users who come from BTT with a bad reputation to this forum know very well that they will have a lot of eyes watching, and they will also know that moderation here is active.
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User A has a clean record on BTT, moves here, still has a clean record, and after a few months pass by he pulls a scam on BTT!
Will he also get tagged here, for a thing he has done outside the forum?
Would the usual excuse it's not my account anymore work?
If he has sold the account on which he gained ranks here by teleporting, would that mean he loses this one too?
Scam is a very important issue and doesn't matter where was it done. If there are enough proofs and evidence is clear, we will look at the case and make a needed decision. We are not going to wait until a known scammer will scam someone here to start acting. If you will find out about any scammer who is trying to do something bad here, please share it with us.
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If members already teleported from bitcointalk than I think reputation should follow them here since they have a history connected with another forum.
For someone who wants to start clean from zero they should create new account and really start fresh as a newbie account.
This sounds fair to me.
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If he has sold the account on which he gained ranks here by teleporting, would that mean he loses this one too?
I agree with @jokers opinion on the scam case in Bitcointalk. While for the account sales I believe the same logic should also apply to it.
If a high ranked account that teleported here was reported in Bitcointalk to have been sold - then the admin (or perhaps the forum) should also be notified of such act here because there’s a high chance that the new operator of said account could have plans to do some unethical thing - warning the community ahead and tagging them could be said to be appropriate in this scenario.
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The key is in what @Jokers said, different forums, different rules.
That is the key because they teleported. If they teleport, like myself, then they are the same entity as the other place. Maybe teleportation should be on a case by case basis.
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If a high ranked account that teleported here was reported in Bitcointalk to have been sold - then the admin (or perhaps the forum) should also be notified of such act here because there’s a high chance that the new operator of said account could have plans to do some unethical thing - warning the community ahead and tagging them could be said to be appropriate in this scenario.
It’s also for us to observe such things, when someone is red tagged for something new in BTT where he teleported his account recently with clean records, I believe that the wisest thing to do is tagging him here as well. However, it should be something worth it and a red trust must be based on proofs and clear evidence of scam or cheating case.
Moreover, a possibility of the opposite will happen, when someone teleport his account from BTT to this forum with a high ranked membership just to do something bad with it, scam someone here due his higher rank should be also counted in BTT and users report it there as well. I believe if someone has bad attention and got caught scamming his accounts should be tagged in both forums.
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It’s also for us to observe such things, when someone is red tagged for something new in BTT where he teleported his account recently with clean records, I believe that the wisest thing to do is tagging him here as well. However, it should be something worth it and a red trust must be based on proofs and clear evidence of scam or cheating case.
Moreover, a possibility of the opposite will happen, when someone teleport his account from BTT to this forum with a high ranked membership just to do something bad with it, scam someone here due his higher rank should be also counted in BTT and users report it there as well. I believe if someone has bad attention and got caught scamming his accounts should be tagged in both forums.
As we have already said in other posts, if a BTT user has an account with scam labels comes here, that account would be blocked immediately. Spamming and using AI are different things, and the user could have the opportunity to change their behavior while maintaining their account rank. But if not, you will have the sanctions established by the forum rules. Neither the administrator nor the moderators will "wait" for a scammer to change their behavior, because that would never happen, and during that supposed time the scammer could scam some user of this forum.
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It’s also for us to observe such things, when someone is red tagged for something new in BTT where he teleported his account recently with clean records, I believe that the wisest thing to do is tagging him here as well. However, it should be something worth it and a red trust must be based on proofs and clear evidence of scam or cheating case.
Moreover, a possibility of the opposite will happen, when someone teleport his account from BTT to this forum with a high ranked membership just to do something bad with it, scam someone here due his higher rank should be also counted in BTT and users report it there as well. I believe if someone has bad attention and got caught scamming his accounts should be tagged in both forums.
As we have already said in other posts, if a BTT user has an account with scam labels and comes here, that account would be blocked immediately. Spamming and using AI are different things, and the user could have the opportunity to change their behavior while maintaining their account rank. But if not, you will have the sanctions established by the forum rules. Neither the administrator nor the moderators will "wait" for a scammer to change their behavior, because that would never happen, and during that supposed time the scammer could scam some user of this forum.
i guess things are already dealt.
there are things to be considered and so regulating the forum too harshly is somewhat walking on a fine line. the forum needs to encourage everyone to come around, populate here at the same time because its better to have move users actively discussing stuff.
i think the minor violation could be ignored for the mean time and then the worse will be dealt differently. they may still teleport, but having a warning sign with them is necessary. maybe its best those who are tagged register and import rather than them using other names because they will be hard to spot under different name.
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You are right and I agree with you on the subject. As you mentioned, there can be exceptions in this but if the reputation of a user is because they did something shady in the past or have been involved in a scam or something if they get teleported to this forum, their account should at least have some indication that the user has been teleported from Bitcointalk and has a red flag on his profile there so that people dealing with him should be cautious.
A scammer will always be a scammer, no matter where they go and who they meet, and a scammer is known to be a scammer then he shouldn't be able to hide that thing from the public and those who know about this fact should let others know to keep them safe.
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It’s also for us to observe such things, when someone is red tagged for something new in BTT where he teleported his account recently with clean records, I believe that the wisest thing to do is tagging him here as well. However, it should be something worth it and a red trust must be based on proofs and clear evidence of scam or cheating case.
Moreover, a possibility of the opposite will happen, when someone teleport his account from BTT to this forum with a high ranked membership just to do something bad with it, scam someone here due his higher rank should be also counted in BTT and users report it there as well. I believe if someone has bad attention and got caught scamming his accounts should be tagged in both forums.
As we have already said in other posts, if a BTT user has an account with scam labels and comes here, that account would be blocked immediately. Spamming and using AI are different things, and the user could have the opportunity to change their behavior while maintaining their account rank. But if not, you will have the sanctions established by the forum rules. Neither the administrator nor the moderators will "wait" for a scammer to change their behavior, because that would never happen, and during that supposed time the scammer could scam some user of this forum.
That's the right approach scammers will find ways to scam people they have methods to do that and they only need platforms to make it materialize, scams cause us to lose our funds, it's different when it's spamming and the use of AI can try to improve and remove using AI's because he found out that he will get caught.
So far there are no known scammers from Bitcointalk that teleported here but we have one known alleged AI user, I hope he can improve himself here now that admin has given him a chance.
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we have one known alleged AI user, I hope he can improve himself here now that admin has given him a chance.
We have much more than one and some of them already got registered warnings here also. If they will continue, they'll soon start getting plagiarism badges and other penalties. If they think that they are not watched if they don't have tags here yet, it is not so. But they can try to improve their behavior and avoid getting penalties even if they got tags on BTT. Some prefer to misbehave... it's a pity, but we've done for them what we could. ???
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That's the right approach scammers will find ways to scam people they have methods to do that and they only need platforms to make it materialize, scams cause us to lose our funds, it's different when it's spamming and the use of AI can try to improve and remove using AI's because he found out that he will get caught.
So far there are no known scammers from Bitcointalk that teleported here but we have one known alleged AI user, I hope he can improve himself here now that admin has given him a chance.
In BTT they have a way of doing things, here we have another. Here moderation is active every day, there are always moderators, monitoring new users, moving or deleting posts, sending warnings... I'm not saying that scammers won't try to come here to scam users, but I can say that they will have a much harder time doing so.
I still think we all deserve second chances, but the users of this forum deserve a safe and quiet place to talk about cryptocurrencies.
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I still think we all deserve second chances, but the users of this forum deserve a safe and quiet place to talk about cryptocurrencies.
I have no problem to give many chances but imagine a user on Bitcointalk who scammed 1 BTC or a large amount of money like that guy named the young millionaire. If TYM teleports his account in this forum, and pretends like he is okay, I don't think others will feel safer.
A user can have many accounts and as long as it is not representing their Teleported account and not violating any rules of the forum then I think he is okay but if the user connect an account using teleportation then he is representing his previous reputation in this forum too.
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I have no problem to give many chances but imagine a user on Bitcointalk who scammed 1 BTC or a large amount of money like that guy named the young millionaire. If TYM teleports his account in this forum, and pretends like he is okay, I don't think others will feel safer.
A user can have many accounts and as long as it is not representing their Teleported account and not violating any rules of the forum then I think he is okay but if the user connect an account using teleportation then he is representing his previous reputation in this forum too.
As I said in previous posts, if a user who has used AI for their posts or engaged in unusual behavior comes to this forum, they may be given a second chance if they comply with the forum rules. But (as I have also said in other posts) if a user with scam tags brings their account here, their account will be blocked immediately.
Bad behavior is one thing, which can be corrected to be able to be on the forum normally, and scammers are another thing, who will be blocked instantly.
If TYM teleports his account to this forum, it will mean among other things, that he is not as smart as he thinks.
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I have no problem to give many chances but imagine a user on Bitcointalk who scammed 1 BTC or a large amount of money like that guy named the young millionaire. If TYM teleports his account in this forum, and pretends like he is okay, I don't think others will feel safer.
I have posted my opinion a few days ago regarding this in this thread. I think if someone is a proven scammer like the one you mentioned, they should have a negative tag or kind of badge in their account. This is how other users will know about that user. I am too young to know the guy you mentioned. But I saw his account on BCT.
However, when it comes to negative feedback for other questionable or fixable things on a 2nd chance, then the user deserves a 2nd chance. A person can change if they get a chance. But, if they repeat the same thing again and again, then you guys may consider giving them a negative feedback.
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Well I agree with this. These are forums where you can trade stuff, so you should be treated as the same person as any other forum you are on, for transactional purposes.
On regular forums like Slashdot or something, it is not much of a big deal.
How many people use the forum to trade? How much is the percentage? I am sure it's less than 5%. Most users (Including me) use the forum because they want to make money from the campaigns and learn about new projects and other things every day. If someone is a proven scammer who cheated on others, damaging someone, they deserve to get negative tags.
If you don't trade or carry out other types of transactions or attempt to earn money (or karma) some other way, then you neither have a positive nor negative reputation.
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If you don't trade or carry out other types of transactions or attempt to earn money (or karma) some other way, then you neither have a positive nor negative reputation.
Let's say I attempt to earn money in some way, such as participating in raffles, bounties, or signature campaigns. Do I have a reputation? The growth of this forum has increased just because of the signature campaigns and we came to this forum because of the same reason. Some of us got the chance in the signature campaign just because we were known to the campaign managers. They did not have other ways to verify how quality of our content. The same managers manage the campaigns here too. So, If someone's reputation is bad on BitcoinTalk, the managers likely to know about him.
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As I said in previous posts, if a user who has used AI for their posts or engaged in unusual behavior comes to this forum, they may be given a second chance if they comply with the forum rules. But (as I have also said in other posts) if a user with scam tags brings their account here, their account will be blocked immediately.
What does scam tags mean exactly?
Negative feedback can be given to members for different things, not only for scam, and that is not really moderated in bitcointalk forum.
Cheating should be considered in a similar way like scamming, especially if someone is repeating the same thing and continues to lie others.
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What does scam tags mean exactly?
Negative feedback can be given to members for different things, not only for scam, and that is not really moderated in bitcointalk forum.
Cheating should be considered in a similar way like scamming, especially if someone is repeating the same thing and continues to lie others.
Case by case. No need trying to find solutions for all hypothetical cases most of which will never appear. As for now we saw some cases of AI users and plagiarists who came here. We don't suppose them dangerous and let them to use a chance of a fresh start if they are ready to start behave good. If you see any scammer, share your finding and we will look at it. If it will look dangerous for our users, we will take the corresponding actions. ???
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Case by case. No need trying to find solutions for all hypothetical cases most of which will never appear. As for now we saw some cases of AI users and plagiarists who came here. We don't suppose them dangerous and let them to use a chance of a fresh start if they are ready to start behave good. If you see any scammer, share your finding and we will look at it. If it will look dangerous for our users, we will take the corresponding actions. ???
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This is what I think as well. But some users have been given a second chance on the other forum, and I guess you are also aware of that. But they repeated the same thing, especially the user we were talking about before, who triggered Yahoo to create this thread. Since they are not scamming anyone, the forum may give them another chance.
But would you give them a negative badge if they continue doing the same thing here? As for scamming, I guess there are different badges. The scam badge will be more appropriate for users who are proven scammers.
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But would you give them a negative badge if they continue doing the same thing here? As for scamming, I guess there are different badges. The scam badge will be more appropriate for users who are proven scammers.
TBH I don't remember if any of teleported got negative badges for plagiarism (it includes AI usage) recently, I just don't divide users by this badge, but there are several ones who got this badge for the last several weeks. Other negative badges are being given also. So yes, if they will continue misbehaving, they'll definitely get a negative badge of some sort or even several negative badges.
As for scammers and SEO spammers, we often ban them from posting, some can get some special sort of badge like (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Themes/default/images/scam2.png), some can get both ban from posting and the scammer badge.
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Case by case. No need trying to find solutions for all hypothetical cases most of which will never appear. As for now we saw some cases of AI users and plagiarists who came here. We don't suppose them dangerous and let them to use a chance of a fresh start if they are ready to start behave good. If you see any scammer, share your finding and we will look at it. If it will look dangerous for our users, we will take the corresponding actions. ???
It's not hypothetical question at all.
SCAM should be clearly defined in forum if you want members to report such cases in future.
I consider someone who cheats to be a scammer, I have seen cases of members using multiple accounts to participate in same campaign, so they tricked campaign managers and everyone else.
This is the same like they stole money from other people, but there are many levels of scam.
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It's not hypothetical question at all.
SCAM should be clearly defined in forum if you want members to report such cases in future.
I consider someone who cheats to be a scammer, I have seen cases of members using multiple accounts to participate in same campaign, so they tricked campaign managers and everyone else.
This is the same like they stole money from other people, but there are many levels of scam.
Usually, the bounty hunter does these things. I know that many people have multiple accounts, which is allowed on Bitcointalk. They are not violating any rules if they do not join the same campaign. There are some exceptions, like a member switching the signature of a campaign and getting payment from both campaigns; they are genuine cheaters and can be considered scammers. Bounty hunters who join the same campaign with multiple alternative accounts are cheaters, but I am not sure if we should call them scammers. The forum has several negative tags and badges. The moderators may probably apply other tags and badges if they want.
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What does scam tags mean exactly?
Negative feedback can be given to members for different things, not only for scam, and that is not really moderated in bitcointalk forum.
Cheating should be considered in a similar way like scamming, especially if someone is repeating the same thing and continues to lie others.
Scam tags mean that a user receives negative feedback for scamming other users or attempting to do so. It has nothing to do with bad behavior, use of AI or spam. I know that many things are not moderated in BTT, but I'm not going to get into that conversation because we could be talking about it for months. I'm not saying that moderation here is better or worse, what I'm saying is that it's different here, and also that many users help the forum work better. There are users who have been reporting posts and "projects" on BTT for many years, and the majority of those reports (more than 85%) have been useless and have not received any attention.
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Scam tags mean that a user receives negative feedback for scamming other users or attempting to do so.
Yeah but scamming how exactly?
There is no active trading in this forum as far as I know, so only way for someone to be scammed is if they don't get paid for something, maybe campaign or private deal.
And for someone to be declared a scammer there needs to be some evidence presented for everyone to see.
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Case by case. No need trying to find solutions for all hypothetical cases most of which will never appear. As for now we saw some cases of AI users and plagiarists who came here. We don't suppose them dangerous and let them to use a chance of a fresh start if they are ready to start behave good. If you see any scammer, share your finding and we will look at it. If it will look dangerous for our users, we will take the corresponding actions. ???
It's not hypothetical question at all.
SCAM should be clearly defined in forum if you want members to report such cases in future.
I consider someone who cheats to be a scammer, I have seen cases of members using multiple accounts to participate in same campaign, so they tricked campaign managers and everyone else.
This is the same like they stole money from other people, but there are many levels of scam.
If the bounty or signature is not against multiple accounts. I do not consider it a scam; they worked hard to earn what they received; they were not paid for doing nothing. Unless stated otherwise.
Scammers fooled people into giving them money without doing anything, but cheaters tricked everyone in order to get paid while working same job under different names. They are not the same and should be punished differently.
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Yeah but scamming how exactly?
There is no active trading in this forum as far as I know, so only way for someone to be scammed is if they don't get paid for something, maybe campaign or private deal.
And for someone to be declared a scammer there needs to be some evidence presented for everyone to see.
The examples you have given are valid. In all those cases (with clear and conclusive evidence) of users who have scammed others, and want to bring their accounts to this forum, those tags will also be present here.
Not only that, but those accounts will be moderated or disabled in case the scammer wants to do the same thing here again. We can't prevent certain accounts from teleport, but together we can control which accounts are normal and which belong to scammers.
If one of those accounts enters the forum, it is only necessary to notify a moderator so that everything starts working.
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If the bounty or signature is not against multiple accounts. I do not consider it a scam; they worked hard to earn what they received; they were not paid for doing nothing. Unless stated otherwise.
All signature campaigns are not accepting multiple accounts, and it would be vey stupid from them if they did.
Even if something like this is not written exactly in details with campaign rules, it's common sense that one person can't have advantage and take places from someone else.
If one of those accounts enters the forum, it is only necessary to notify a moderator so that everything starts working.
Ok, that sounds good.
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Being as users teleport their accounts, we know that they are the same person from the other forum. Why shouldn't their reputation follow them? If they wanted a fresh start, why wouldn't they just make a new account, new username, and leave that name in the past?
Unless your offence in bitcointalk was something not very serious, something you could learn from, I will still be careful with you. If you were banned from bitcointalk for issues like scamming etc, that is something that I do not think people easily learn from and as such will advise other forum members here to be careful of you based on your reputation from Bitcointalk. If it were other issues like plagiarism and use of AI, it is possible that a defaulter from Bitcointalk may have learnt their lesson, but they still need to be put under observation because some people never learn.
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Being as users teleport their accounts, we know that they are the same person from the other forum. Why shouldn't their reputation follow them? If they wanted a fresh start, why wouldn't they just make a new account, new username, and leave that name in the past?
Unless your offence in bitcointalk was something not very serious, something you could learn from, I will still be careful with you. If you were banned from bitcointalk for issues like scamming etc, that is something that I do not think people easily learn from and as such will advise other forum members here to be careful of you based on your reputation from Bitcointalk. If it were other issues like plagiarism and use of AI, it is possible that a defaulter from Bitcointalk may have learnt their lesson, but they still need to be put under observation because some people never learn.
I don't think that cheaters will change just because they got caught elsewhere, but until they commit the offence here I wouldn't give them too hard a time. I wouldn't go outta my way to hire them for much, but I don't have an issue with them being here.
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If you were banned from bitcointalk for issues like scamming etc, that is something that I do not think people easily learn from and as such will advise other forum members here to be careful of you based on your reputation from Bitcointalk.
As you may know, Bitcointalk does not moderate scams and has never banned anyone from scamming others. They might only get a couple of negative feedback from the DT members. If someone got negative tag for scamming others, I recommend everyone from stay away from those people no matter how much they might changed.
If it were other issues like plagiarism and use of AI, it is possible that a defaulter from Bitcointalk may have learnt their lesson, but they still need to be put under observation because some people never learn.
If someone was negatively tagged for cheating like using AI or plagiarism, you may give them the benefit of the doubt. But, if someone got tagged for cheating like participate in the same campaign with multiple alt accounts or abuse a campaign, you should stay away from them as well until they prove that they have changed their behaviour.
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As you may know, Bitcointalk does not moderate scams and has never banned anyone from scamming others. They might only get a couple of negative feedback from the DT members.
No way they are going to get just a couple of negative tags for scamming others. People who get only a couple of negative tags are usually for cases that are unclear, or for issues that are not directly related to scamming people, such as having alts that have cheated on campaigns and have exchanged merits and so on. But the clear cases of scam, and if I remember correctly the most recent one was yogg, usually have more than 10 negative tags on their profile.
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I don't think that cheaters will change just because they got caught elsewhere, but until they commit the offence here I wouldn't give them too hard a time. I wouldn't go outta my way to hire them for much, but I don't have an issue with them being here.
No they wont but it will make cheating much harder for them in future.
They can be here and people can change the way how they are doing things, but I first need to see if they really changed before hiring them in any campaigns.
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No way they are going to get just a couple of negative tags for scamming others. People who get only a couple of negative tags are usually for cases that are unclear, or for issues that are not directly related to scamming people, such as having alts that have cheated on campaigns and have exchanged merits and so on. But the clear cases of scam, and if I remember correctly the most recent one was yogg, usually have more than 10 negative tags on their profile.
It's still only a couple of negative tags and some DT exclusions. If the administration does not moderate the scam, what else can the forum members do against the scammers? When it comes to altcoinstalks forum, they moderate scams here and if you can prove that someone is a scammer, they will get the special scammer badge and they may get banned as well.
10 or a hundred negative tags are not enough to stop these scammers. They should be banned if they are proven scammers. We know that it's easier to create another account and come back again. But they will have to spend enough time to rank up again.
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It's still only a couple of negative tags and some DT exclusions. If the administration does not moderate the scam, what else can the forum members do against the scammers? When it comes to altcoinstalks forum, they moderate scams here and if you can prove that someone is a scammer, they will get the special scammer badge and they may get banned as well.
10 or a hundred negative tags are not enough to stop these scammers. They should be banned if they are proven scammers. We know that it's easier to create another account and come back again. But they will have to spend enough time to rank up again.
There will be no problem with scammers here, their accounts will be blocked immediately and marked as a scam, as happened a few days ago with two new accounts that offered high salaries (I seem to remember that one of the salaries was $700 a week in ETH.) for downloading a game and performing tests, as a curious note, that "game" only worked on Windows and Mac. What users need to understand is that we need your help to monitor and present evidence, if any, in case a scammer is detected. The more eyes we have on the forum, the more peace of mind and good conversations we can have knowing that no one is going to be scammed. I am convinced that together we can create a good atmosphere in the forum.
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There will be no problem with scammers here, their accounts will be blocked immediately and marked as a scam
What does blocking account means?
Are this blocked members banned and they cant write anymore posts?
Posting links with malware is something I saw in bitcoin talk forum, and I think doing that should be permanent ban anywhere.
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What does blocking account means?
Blocking means banning from posting on the forum. The one who is banned still can try to explain something, we are a friendly forum anyway. But I don't remember anyone being unbanned, we give too many second chances to give it additionally to those who crossed all the lines. ???
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Blocking means banning from posting on the forum. The one who is banned still can try to explain something, we are a friendly forum anyway. But I don't remember anyone being unbanned, we give too many second chances to give it additionally to those who crossed all the lines. ???
Giving a second chance will be beneficial to anyone who proves to be useful to the forum, with a signatures ban for a period of one or two years or any type of restriction.
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Blocking means banning from posting on the forum. The one who is banned still can try to explain something, we are a friendly forum anyway. But I don't remember anyone being unbanned, we give too many second chances to give it additionally to those who crossed all the lines. ???
Giving a second chance will be beneficial to anyone who proves to be useful to the forum, with a signatures ban for a period of one or two years or any type of restriction.
To get a ban on posting the one should misbehave a lot: to be a proven scammer, SEO bot spammer or like that, or to ignore all warnings, negative badges, premoderation and all other measures we use to motivate users not to break the rules. So they still can have a chance, but I doubt we'll ever get even as many of those who will try to improve themselves after being banned from posting as there are fingers on the hand. ???
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What does blocking account means?
Are this blocked members banned and they cant write anymore posts?
Posting links with malware is something I saw in bitcoin talk forum, and I think doing that should be permanent ban anywhere.
As @Jokers said, this type of "ban" is for users who, even after having several opportunities to change their behavior, have continued to violate the forum rules. It is another of the groups that exist in the forum, it is called "Under Review". These users are not banned, but they cannot post anywhere on the forum. These users still have the opportunity to PM the administrator or a moderator and change their behavior. Curiously, I think that none of the users in that group have done it yet.
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Blocking means banning from posting on the forum. The one who is banned still can try to explain something, we are a friendly forum anyway. But I don't remember anyone being unbanned, we give too many second chances to give it additionally to those who crossed all the lines. ???
Can blocked members still login in forum, send and receive PM for communication with other members?
this type of "ban" is for users who, even after having several opportunities to change their behavior, have continued to violate the forum rules. It is another of the groups that exist in the forum, it is called "Under Review". These users are not banned, but they cannot post anywhere on the forum. These users still have the opportunity to PM the administrator or a moderator and change their behavior. Curiously, I think that none of the users in that group have done it yet.
Thank you for explanation mister president.
Altcoinstalks forum is doing the right thing and rules are not so strict as in bitcointalk forum, but it is easier to control situation when forum is smaller.
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Can blocked members still login in forum, send and receive PM for communication with other members?
They definitely can log in, but I don't exactly know whom can they write a PM. I don't have a practical experience with that. Most times those misbehaving users who want to stay on the forum improve their behavior much earlier than they could be banned from posting and spammers don't really value their accounts to try to restore them. ???
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What does blocking account means?
Are this blocked members banned and they cant write anymore posts?
Posting links with malware is something I saw in bitcoin talk forum, and I think doing that should be permanent ban anywhere.
As @Jokers said, this type of "ban" is for users who, even after having several opportunities to change their behavior, have continued to violate the forum rules. It is another of the groups that exist in the forum, it is called "Under Review". These users are not banned, but they cannot post anywhere on the forum. These users still have the opportunity to PM the administrator or a moderator and change their behavior. Curiously, I think that none of the users in that group have done it yet.
How would they prove that they have changed from their bad habits if they aren't allowed to post? Does this set of users receive a prompt message to contact the administrator for a second chance? It is typical for anyone to abandon their profile if their ability to post is taken away.
Parma/Temp ban users get a prompt message on their profile on BTT.
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a second chance?
The one can use his second chance when he gets his first warnings, when he gets negative badges, etc. If he still preferred to misbehave I'd not said that there will be a second chance. ;D
It is impossible to give infinite number of chances to those who use them just to break the rules again and again. ???
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How would they prove that they have changed from their bad habits if they aren't allowed to post? Does this set of users receive a prompt message to contact the administrator for a second chance? It is typical for anyone to abandon their profile if their ability to post is taken away.
Parma/Temp ban users get a prompt message on their profile on BTT.
I seem to remember that even being in that group (Under Review), users can send PMs to other users, but even if I'm wrong (which I could be), the user can always email the administrator or create a new temporary account to find out what happened. Communication options are always available when someone wants to talk and ask for another chance. When a user belonging to that group really wants to change their behavior, they have many ways to talk to the administrator or any moderator. Not being able to post openly on the forum I think is a very simple excuse.
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How would they prove that they have changed from their bad habits if they aren't allowed to post? Does this set of users receive a prompt message to contact the administrator for a second chance? It is typical for anyone to abandon their profile if their ability to post is taken away.
Parma/Temp ban users get a prompt message on their profile on BTT.
I seem to remember that even being in that group (Under Review), users can send PMs to other users, but even if I'm wrong (which I could be), the user can always email the administrator or create a new temporary account to find out what happened. Communication options are always available when someone wants to talk and ask for another chance. When a user belonging to that group really wants to change their behavior, they have many ways to talk to the administrator or any moderator. Not being able to post openly on the forum I think is a very simple excuse.
Only the admin can't understand the behavior of people. The user has to come to the public to display his or her character to everyone that he is has changed and that will be how the person response to comments and the thread is creating. The character of the person would display to the admin might not be the same with other people. Private discussions is good but the person will still come to the public to interact with others. So it is good for the person to come to the public. And the person must have a thick skin because definitely there must be an attacks.
Change is a constant thing and it must be in gradual process. You don't rush someone to change his or her character immediately but allow them to adapt to the environment.
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How would they prove that they have changed from their bad habits if they aren't allowed to post? Does this set of users receive a prompt message to contact the administrator for a second chance? It is typical for anyone to abandon their profile if their ability to post is taken away.
They can prove it with other accounts they have, hoping they learned a lesson not to do something like that again. ;D
Rules in this forum are not so strict and I think that anyone can improve after they received warning, they dont need to quit forum or get angry because of that.
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Only the admin can't understand the behavior of people. The user has to come to the public to display his or her character to everyone that he is has changed and that will be how the person response to comments and the thread is creating. The character the person would display to the admin might not be the same with other people. Private discussions in good but the person will still come to the public to interact with others. So it is good for the person to come to the public. And the person must have a think skin because definitely there must be n attacks.
Change is a constant thing and it must be in gradual process. You don't rush someone to change his or her character immediately but allow them to adapt to the environment.
Really? ;D Dude, please share us some examples of users who were making some simple mistakes, them immediately got ban on posting and them had no option to show that they want to improve! I will be really surprised even if you'll find one single example! Most times I hear that we are too soft and not that we are too harsh! :o
AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum. Are you sure you are writing your ideas about this place and not about some other one? ;)
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Really? ;D Dude, please share us some examples of users who were making some simple mistakes, them immediately got ban on posting and them had no option to show that they want to improve! I will be really surprised even if you'll find one single example! Most times I hear that we are too soft and not that we are too harsh! :o
AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum. Are you sure you are writing your ideas about this place and not about some other one? ;)
Just a misunderstanding here. I said if you don't allowed the person who has carried the bad reputation from another forum here to post in the public domain, how will we know that he has changed if he only pm the admin?
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Just a misunderstanding here. I said if you don't allowed the person who has carried the bad reputation from another forum here to post in the public domain, how will we know that he has changed if he only pm the admin?
If we will examine the evidence and will clearly see that he's a scammer, it is hardly expected that a scammer will ever improve his behavior. And we don't want increasing the probability of our users being scammed. So instant block on a scammer is justified. ???
And if someone has a tag for AI, plagiarism, low quality posting, conflicts with other users, they can get a fresh start here and try not to bring bad habits with them. If they will stay in the rules boundaries they can freely communicate here, no ban expected for them. :)
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Only the admin can't understand the behavior of people. The user has to come to the public to display his or her character to everyone that he is has changed and that will be how the person response to comments and the thread is creating. The character of the person would display to the admin might not be the same with other people. Private discussions is good but the person will still come to the public to interact with others. So it is good for the person to come to the public. And the person must have a thick skin because definitely there must be an attacks.
Change is a constant thing and it must be in gradual process. You don't rush someone to change his or her character immediately but allow them to adapt to the environment.
I understand what you are saying, but I think you have not understood me or I have not explained myself well. When a user really regrets it and wants to change, the first thing they should do is recognize their mistake, and after that first step, if the user has another opportunity, demonstrate it. Sending a private message and showing that the user is sincerely sorry is very easy and gives that person another chance. Trusting that user again and watching them continue with the same behavior over and over again is a waste of time.
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And if someone has a tag for AI, plagiarism, low quality posting, conflicts with other users, they can get a fresh start here and try not to bring bad habits with them. If they will stay in the rules boundaries they can freely communicate here, no ban expected for them. :)
The said account in question has already left the forum or deactivated account from his posting activities since this thread was created, if this is how we're going to welcome everyone with a negative behavior from the other forum and not giving them the benefit of doubt here will all lead them to deactivate.
If ban evaders and bounty cheaters can be given a clean start here then AI alleged users should be give alot of space to start afresh too.
Sad reality is that some of the DT members who left a negative feedback over there will do everything to hunt the same users here. I'm not that type of DT member
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And if someone has a tag for AI, plagiarism, low quality posting, conflicts with other users, they can get a fresh start here and try not to bring bad habits with them. If they will stay in the rules boundaries they can freely communicate here, no ban expected for them. :)
The said account in question has already left the forum or deactivated account from his posting activities since this thread was created, if this is how we're going to welcome everyone with a negative behavior from the other forum and not giving them the benefit of doubt here will all lead them to deactivate.
If ban evaders and bounty cheaters can be given a clean start here then AI alleged users should be give alot of space to start afresh too.
Sad reality is that some of the DT members who left a negative feedback over there will do everything to hunt the same users here. I'm not that type of DT member
I see no problem for a fresh start if the user didn't scam anyone. If he just spam/plagiarism, it is OK to give them a second chance. Although I think the punishment should be harder if they repeat it here, and maybe admin can even charge them some bucks for this ssecond chance
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The said account in question has already left the forum or deactivated account from his posting activities since this thread was created, if this is how we're going to welcome everyone with a negative behavior from the other forum and not giving them the benefit of doubt here will all lead them to deactivate.
If ban evaders and bounty cheaters can be given a clean start here then AI alleged users should be give alot of space to start afresh too.
Sad reality is that some of the DT members who left a negative feedback over there will do everything to hunt the same users here. I'm not that type of DT member
I see no problem for a fresh start if the user didn't scam anyone. If he just spam/plagiarism, it is OK to give them a second chance. Although I think the punishment should be harder if they repeat it here, and maybe admin can even charge them some bucks for this ssecond chance
Unfortunately, not everyone thinks or acts like us; some people set their feelings in stone and never change them. The aforementioned user complained about receiving - Karma without breaking the rules; the admin intervened and deleted them; other users began tagging signature managers to blacklist him; he became a target of every user; if I were in his shoes, I would deactivate or, better yet, create a new identity. No way he going to survive.
Second chance here is not free - you must pay for being irresponsible and that's OKAY.
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And if someone has a tag for AI, plagiarism, low quality posting, conflicts with other users, they can get a fresh start here and try not to bring bad habits with them. If they will stay in the rules boundaries they can freely communicate here, no ban expected for them. :)
How about member that never registered in this forum but they had service here and in bitcointalk forum?
Now this service is turning out to be an exit scam and we need to warn people about that...I am talking about Yomix mixer.
Any ideas how we can do that?
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How about member that never registered in this forum but they had service here and in bitcointalk forum?
Now this service is turning out to be an exit scam and we need to warn people about that...I am talking about Yomix mixer.
Any ideas how we can do that?
You can open a topic about this case in the Reputation, Scams & Phishing (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=84.0) section. As far as I know, the topic of this project is closed at the moment, but I can add a post there with a link to the topic if it will be opened, just remind me. You can share other cases of scam in crypto in that section as well, there's no need that the scam projects appear on the forum for that.