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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: Fivestar4everMVP on May 02, 2024, 10:53:11 PM
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Hi ladies and gents..
Talking about forum spamming and all that, which I believe is something we all, or most of us frown to, I came across this thread (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318536.0) in my local board, which while replying to a comment there, reminded me of a badge I won sometime in 2020, and that also reminded me how I had to spam the forum that day, to win that badge 😂, here is the badge below..
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/02/rk1gH.jpeg)
And here is even another I've not yet won, and may never win, since I can't win this without spamming the forum again 😩
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/02/rk9j2.jpeg)
So, there are no rewards whatsoever, that comes with owning any of this badges, but still, newbies (having nothing important to do with their time and looking for how to keep themselves busy) may decide to chase after owning one or both of this badges, and they are
First screenshot - Too Active - 25 posts in one day
Second screenshot - Super active - 50 posts in one day
And this process, they end up spamming the entire forum with irrelevant stuffs, back in September 2020, on one boring Wednesday, I was a newbie then(before teleporting), I discovered the "too active" badge requiring 25 posts in one day, I decided to chase and earn it, I made alot of rubbish posts on the forum and on different boards that day (won't lie), I earned it in the end, but not without spamming the forum.
So, coming up with this thread, is not me making anything up, but based personally experience..
Is it really worth it keeping this two badges? Knowing fully well that it encourages spam?
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these are not badges that encourage spamming, they are to allow mods to have a better idea of user behaviour
as you can see, i use the term too active
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established users doesn't change much, but if we see these badges on a new user, we check posts to see if this is a spammer
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25 posts in day is overwhelming how much more for 50, well, unless you are a mods who is regularly moving threads since its counted as new post as i presumed the same on bitcointalk.
As for its purpose, admin is correct for mods identify users behaviour especially in lower rank or new accounts.
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The first time I saw this badge, I said to myself that this badge is something that is not for me. It's hard to achieve as I have other tasks to do in my life, a job and responsibilities to look for. I mean, reaching that many posts requires being active in a day, or just like PX-Z says, unless if you are someone managing the forum, posting different updates or replies mostly to the questions and so on.
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late but still congratulations having that too active member Badge though I don't think I can do that in my entire career because i May be active but actively reading and posting .
these are not badges that encourage spamming, they are to allow mods to have a better idea of user behaviour
as you can see, i use the term too active
its nice hearing that from you admin because it can be a wrong perception for others wanted lots of badges in their profile when i see nothing important about badges because for me ? engaging and helping others is much better than just badges.
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I think it's not too difficult to achieve those badges without spamming, but one need to spend at least a full day to achieve 25 to 50 posts that day and most of the posts won't cross 500 characters.
I can personally achieve those badges but I'm not interested in having it because the time doesn't allow me to achieve it as of now. However, if I have more free time in future then I will try to achieve those badges.
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25 posts in day is overwhelming how much more for 50, well, unless you are a mods who is regularly moving threads since its counted as new post as i presumed the same on bitcointalk.
On bitcointalk in a good day I can even make 75 posts LOL
The number always should not be a scale to measure the spam. A one word post can be something very interesting and on topic where a wall of text like JJG [he is not a shitposter obviously] can be a spammer.
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50 posts in a single day? Nah, man, I can't do that. Even 25 posts is too much for me to achieve unless I spam. If it were Bitcointalk, maybe yes. But in altcoinstalks, it's not my cup of tea. Unless I'm a moderator or campaign manager who has to give regular updates, etc. Or if I were someone who keeps posting logs and statistics regarding the forum, for example, in Bitcointalk, many reputed members have their own threads where they post information such as merit history, top merit earners, or those who are close to the next rank, etc. ;)
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Hi ladies and gents..
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So, coming up with this thread, is not me making anything up, but based personally experience..
Is it really worth it keeping this two badges? Knowing fully well that it encourages spam?
if they exist it means that the staff knows how to establish whether you are spamming or not
it is no coincidence that the supreme admin replied to you and told you that they are expected and that spam is "conceived" and "looked at" equally
so I wouldn't worry about that
Sometimes we worry about problems that don't exist
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these are not badges that encourage spamming, they are to allow mods to have a better idea of user behaviour
as you can see, i use the term too active
Badges are achievements. Basically rewards.
I don't think adding a badge for this is appropriate, semantically.
Maybe the user could have a red dot under his username or something like that with an ALT text written "25 posts per day"
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Respond to users, move threads/posts, explain things about the forum to new users, delete posts... These badges do not encourage or reward spam, they indicate which users have had periods of high activity, since the same level cannot always be maintained. I have the 25 posts in a day badge and I can assure you that it is not spam or meaningless posts. There are also some users (who are not moderators) who were and are also very active without having anything to do with spam.
I think you have been confused with the users in the "zoom 1" group, which are the users that we can see with the red dot on the profile.
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On bitcointalk in a good day I can even make 75 posts LOL
That's a very high number of posts I guess but someone who can give at least 10+ hours a day could easily make 75 posts or more per day.
But, we have to agree that those 75 posts won't be much helpful. I know they won't be spam but those won't be helpful either.
I think other than you, Philipma1957 is also someone who could make that many posts per day. He's too good at posting, that's why he's the top poster of that forum.
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25 post a day is not an easy task and because of badges someone would post 50 a day, ah! That is something else.that I can't explain again. And from your explanation the badges are just for fancy and nothing more. And there is no way can achieve those badges without spamming the whole forum. And as I said if care is not taken, he will be reported and gotten a tag in his profile as a spammer or red dot.
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I don't pay attention to these badges anyway, but now that admin has plainly started, it offers mods a kind of signal to analyse such a poster, and my instincts about the said user were correct all along. I deleted a handful of his spam posts, but more kept pouring...
This is his profile https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=98201
He achieved all the posts badges in less than 2 months.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/03/rypf3.jpeg)
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Badges are achievements. Basically rewards.
I don't think adding a badge for this is appropriate, semantically.
Maybe the user could have a red dot under his username or something like that with an ALT text written "25 posts per day"
I agree here, spam should not be encouraged in any way, even if it was just an additional badge next to the username.
However, for example in this case (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320233.msg1536598#msg1536598), it turned out to be useful, the user received a warning and seems to have slightly adjusted his participation in the forum after that.
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So, coming up with this thread, is not me making anything up, but based personally experience..
Is it really worth it keeping this two badges? Knowing fully well that it encourages spam?
HAHA, you are admitting by yourself that you spammed on this forum. Well I do know you are not a spammer, and I would like to add that at the current moment we can really make 25 posts a day, but it's a little hard if compared with BTC. Because the number of topics created there in few boards is more than the overall board here (locals excluded) But still if you don't reply on every post and save them for one day. For example, if I want to achieve this badge I would not reply to the threads and will wait for a day when I will start to reply all of them one by one and eventually my target will easily be achieved.
But still I don't think we should call it spamming badges or promoting spam, because as I said we can literally achehive them without making spam posts, we only have to make a strategy to make posts, like creating topics, and then replying to them, or giving replies on all the thread in one day after waiting for 5 to 7 days.
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So, coming up with this thread, is not me making anything up, but based personally experience..
Is it really worth it keeping this two badges? Knowing fully well that it encourages spam?
But still I don't think we should call it spamming badges or promoting spam, because as I said we can literally achehive them without making spam posts, we only have to make a strategy to make posts, like creating topics, and then replying to them, or giving replies on all the thread in one day after waiting for 5 to 7 days.
Well, it's not necessary a spam badge whatsoever, and neither did i say that the badge is promoting spam, I said it encourages spam, promoting and encouraging are two different words with exactly two different meanings.
But all the same, you are still right, with the right strategy, it's actually quite easy to earn this badges, but then, the chances of not spamming is very little, because from my personal experience, one doesn't read and type all day without getting tired 😴, while chasing after earning this badge, you sure will get to the point where you suffer fatigue, complete tiredness which often can lead to lack of concentration and proper comprehension while reading, at this point, you should know that it's impossible to engage in a discussion on a thread with out going off topic, or without making just one or two line posts, which if done repeatedly, is what most consider as spam.
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Hi ladies and gents..
Talking about forum spamming and all that, which I believe is something we all, or most of us frown to, I came across this thread (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318536.0) in my local board, which while replying to a comment there, reminded me of a badge I won sometime in 2020, and that also reminded me how I had to spam the forum that day, to win that badge 😂, here is the badge below..
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/02/rk1gH.jpeg)
And here is even another I've not yet won, and may never win, since I can't win this without spamming the forum again 😩
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/02/rk9j2.jpeg)
So, there are no rewards whatsoever, that comes with owning any of this badges, but still, newbies (having nothing important to do with their time and looking for how to keep themselves busy) may decide to chase after owning one or both of this badges, and they are
First screenshot - Too Active - 25 posts in one day
Second screenshot - Super active - 50 posts in one day
And this process, they end up spamming the entire forum with irrelevant stuffs, back in September 2020, on one boring Wednesday, I was a newbie then(before teleporting), I discovered the "too active" badge requiring 25 posts in one day, I decided to chase and earn it, I made alot of rubbish posts on the forum and on different boards that day (won't lie), I earned it in the end, but not without spamming the forum.
So, coming up with this thread, is not me making anything up, but based personally experience..
Is it really worth it keeping this two badges? Knowing fully well that it encourages spam?
If anyone try to continue real post i think thats are not problem. When That's post will non quality then it will be consider as spamming. Otherwise without proper reason we couldn’t tell as spamming. And i could not think this badges will encourage us to spamming.
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I think it's not too difficult to achieve those badges without spamming, but one need to spend at least a full day to achieve 25 to 50 posts that day and most of the posts won't cross 500 characters.
I can personally achieve those badges but I'm not interested in having it because the time doesn't allow me to achieve it as of now. However, if I have more free time in future then I will try to achieve those badges.
To attain that badge we must have at least enough time and effort because contributing to the forum needs at least couple of post to target what you really understand and what you can totally contribute .
and like what admin said above this is just to see account activity and maybe behavior so maybe you are interested achieving that mate but i think I will pass for this one ;D :D
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To attain that badge we must have at least enough time and effort because contributing to the forum needs at least couple of post to target what you really understand and what you can totally contribute .
and like what admin said above this is just to see account activity and maybe behavior so maybe you are interested achieving that mate but i think I will pass for this one ;D :D
And posting that number of 25 to 50 must make the person to comment out of f point because the number is high and he will like to meet up the number to attain the barges therefore spamming will be unavoidable . And as you said, for one to contribute meaningful to the forum the person needs time to think and know what he is writing, if not the person will be posting trash to meet up the number and achieve the badge. Spamming should be discouraged and avoid and post only on the topic you can write well and understand what you writing.
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And posting that number of 25 to 50 must make the person to comment out of f point because the number is high and he will like to meet up the number to attain the barges therefore spamming will be unavoidable . And as you said, for one to contribute meaningful to the forum the person needs time to think and know what he is writing, if not the person will be posting trash to meet up the number and achieve the badge. Spamming should be discouraged and avoid and post only on the topic you can write well and understand what you writing.
These badges are simply “unlocked achievements” that in no way encourage users to spam since obtaining these types of badges does not carry any type of reward (no rank upgrade, no extra karma, no points or forum tokens). It is a way to show the dedication to the forum of the user who earns the badge. I still think the OP didn't understand what the badges mean.
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I had seen posters create even 100 posts once in a while that doesn't comes under the category of spam and as said badges doesn't give us any incentive so one who wants to get has no other reason apart from achieving it to add into their list.
But I am keeping an eye on the one badge that no one had yet which is never sleep. What's the required for that? :D
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Viewpoints on the issue may differ from one member to another. There are people who are concerned about these badges and may send spam in order to obtain them, but for me they do not mean much. What can the possession of these badges add?
I find it very difficult to write 10 posts a day, so what if 25 or 50!!! This is a very large number and I cannot imagine that I will be able to write this number of posts one day. The only way is to send spam.
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I find it very difficult to write 10 posts a day, so what if 25 or 50!!! This is a very large number and I cannot imagine that I will be able to write this number of posts one day. The only way is to send spam.
25 posts a day is not that hard if your native language section is active and there are many interesting ongoing discussions. If you have a whole day to spend on the forum and there are many interesting active topics, you can have 50 posts a day, it is not something impossible. But of course when to leave 50 posts for a couple of hours it will be a low quality posting anyway. :)
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25 posts a day is not that hard if your native language section is active and there are many interesting ongoing discussions. If you have a whole day to spend on the forum and there are many interesting active topics, you can have 50 posts a day, it is not something impossible. But of course when to leave 50 posts for a couple of hours it will be a low quality posting anyway. :)
This is certainly possible, although it is difficult. If the member has full time and is free to write on the forum throughout the day, he can write 25 and even 50 posts, especially as you mentioned, if his local section is active, writing will be much easier.
But I am speaking for myself. I am not completely free to write on the forum. I have another forum and I also have my own business in real life, so I said that I find it difficult to write 10 posts a day.
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Well, it's not necessary a spam badge whatsoever, and neither did i say that the badge is promoting spam, I said it encourages spam, promoting and encouraging are two different words with exactly two different meanings.
OK I got the point, although for me promoting and encouraging still had the same meaning but in this case, I agree with you. I know we should not do spamming to earn this badge as I and you have aforementioned that we can earn this badge the correct way.
You are right about the fact that we feel fatigue and complete tiredness but we can deal with that too. For example, if we have to make 50 posts, then we can write ten posts daily and won't upload it just write it (if that's allowed). And then wait for one day until we write 50 posts. And at the end, we start to upload post and can easily earn these badges.