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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: SamReomo on February 08, 2024, 03:52:29 PM
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I have received negative karma a few times and whenever I receive a negative karma I feel that what I have done wrong that someone sent me a negative karma? I often avoid the negative karma thing and keep posting because getting dishearten from negative karma doesn't makes sense to me. However, today I have seen the thread of yahoo62278 where he mentioned that he also got a negative karma and that's why I decided to make this thread as a suggestion to admin to do something about that negative karma.
Most of the members who moved from Bitcointalk to this forum feel bad when they receive negative karma without any reason and the worst thing is that they don't even know who sent them that negative karma and why. I suggest admin of the forum to think about the negative karma thing. My suggestion is to only allow moderators or high authority members to send negative karma and if they send any negative karma then they should also explain the reason for sending that negative karma.
I think that way so many members will be saved from receiving negative karma without any reason. Another suggestion is to completely remove the negative karma thing and only allow positive karma. If someone makes a good post which another member likes then that member can send positive karma to the post. I hope other members of the forum will also support this suggestion because it's going to be helpful for the forum and for all the members of the forum. I would also like to hear thoughts of those who also received negative karma even if they are making good posts.
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Look, I was going to open a thread on the subject but while we're at it I'll say what I was going to say in this one. For me, negative karma will have two main consequences:
1) People will have less genuine discussions, daring less to criticise so as not to receive negative karma. Negative karma = less money, and we know how that affects behaviour.
2) I think more drama will be avoided precisely because of this.
I suggest admin of the forum to think about the negative karma thing. My suggestion is to only allow moderators or high authority members to send negative karma and if they send any negative karma then they should also explain the reason for sending that negative karma.
I agree 100% on this.
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Sorry to say, but is this thread really necessary? I noticed that you made post in both threads that has to do with karma complaints, meaning you could have easily made your suggestion there without having to open a new one. But I guess this will also serve a purpose.
I suggest admin of the forum to think about the negative karma thing. My suggestion is to only allow moderators or high authority members to send negative karma and if they send any negative karma then they should also explain the reason for sending that negative karma.
A great suggestion has already being provided in the previous thread by @bitmover - make the stat of the karma known for a post without displaying who sent them. This should help us know what post is not being appreciated here so that we can stop sharing them and also to know if someone is abusing their privilege to give negative karma.
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We all know many bad posting habits are popular on the BTT because leaving a negative tag for it is too much and there's no negative merits.
Like answering the first post weeks and months ago on the 3d page and beyond, like answering the same thing was answered on the same page multiple times and other way ignoring the thread of the discussion what makes any discussion harder and less consecutive.
Like insulting someone else without any serious reason.
Like many other annoying things.
-karma helps to fight with these bad habits not involving moderation or harder penalties. And it works good enough. Some newbies who got a lot of -karma in the very beginning improve their behavior. You get -karma? Are you sure you are not doing anything bad? As for the topic starter, he has a habit of answering the first post on the 3d page... I didn't give him -karma for that but if anyone will, I think it will be a deserved -karma. ???
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Sorry to say, but is this thread really necessary? I noticed that you made post in both threads that has to do with karma complaints, meaning you could have easily made your suggestion there without having to open a new one. But I guess this will also serve a purpose.
Yes, this thread was necessary because via this thread many people can see my suggestions and if they like those suggestion then they can agree with those, in those threads I posted because I was affected by negative karma and somehow karma was in my mind most of the time, that's why I also thought that I should create a thread to know what others think about my suggestions and if they're good enough then admin might implement those into the forum.
A great suggestion has already being provided in the previous thread by @bitmover - make the stat of the karma known for a post without displaying who sent them. This should help us know what post is not being appreciated here so that we can stop sharing them and also to know if someone is abusing their privilege to give negative karma.
Bitmover is a quite reputed member and I respect him and his suggestions a lot. He's also done so much for us by making the scripts and bots. However, I believe my suggestion can be easily implemented because it's much easy for admin to set rules which will allow only moderators to high authority members to send negative karma than adding the stats thing.
I know stats thing is much better than my suggestion and I respect Bitmover's suggestion but we all know that admin is quite bust in doing other things that's why I came with the suggestions because I believe those suggestions won't increase burden on admin's shoulders even he accepts to implement those. Disabling of that negative karma will be even more easier.
-karma helps to fight with these bad habits not involving moderation or harder penalties. And it works good enough. Some newbies who got a lot of -karma in the very beginning improve their behavior. You get -karma? Are you sure you are not doing anything bad? As for the topic starter, he has a habit of answering the first post on the 3d page... I didn't give him -karma for that but if anyone will, I think it will be a deserved -karma. ???
Man, sometimes answers of 3rd page also can be useful I guess and especially I try to avoid replying to posts that have more than 5 pages but sometimes when I find it necessary to add some information then why not? Surely if someone else has answered the thread then it's not necessary to post in that thread, even on Bitcointalk I always tell OP's to lock such threads when they get satisfied answers.
I know newbies don't really understand how a forum works but even in beginning they start get negative karma then most of them can get dishearten and may feel a kind of fear in making any posts. The worst thing about negative karma is that it isn't transparent and no one really knows why he/she has received the negative karma.
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Most of the time, those negative karmas are unintentionally given. It happened to me before while I was on my mobile. I saw a good post, intended to give it positive karma, but ended up giving it negative karma instead. I then returned the positive karma because I realized at the time that I had hit the wrong one, and there must have been those who did not notice and simply moved on. I also received negative karma because I noticed I had lost -1 karma a while ago, which is especially frustrating when you can not even tell who the person is.
Suggestion> The +karma and -karma buttons on the mobile screen are too close together; anyone browsing the forum on a mobile device is likely to make this mistake; the best solution is to have a pop-up message every time someone clicks either of those buttons to ensure that they are sending the correct karma.
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Man, sometimes answers of 3rd page also can be useful
Sometimes. But very rare. And many don't read the topic to be sure that their reply is of that rare sort. And in your case your answer was in the middle of a third page not referring to the previous discourse.
The worst thing about negative karma is that it isn't transparent and no one really knows why he/she has received the negative karma.
admin said already that showing the post which got +karma or -karma is on his to do list. After that it will be more clear which post got a negative karma. Some can get -karma by a mistake. Well, as long as it is occasionally, it is not so important. Our community is friendly and tend to give +karma much more often.
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I think and if I am not mistaken, it was Mate2237 that was first made an official thread for this issue and he got negative karma for creating that thread. I don't think I made comment there but I saw the post. Like in bitcointalk if you received a merit, that merit can never be removed but there is a way to punish shitposts, spammers and scammers. Really removing karma from one profile when he or she has struggling to get is very bad. Because the way I am looking at it people have already abused the Karma system. I think, I also made a suggestion that even though the name of the person who gave the negative karma is not showing, let the link of the -Karma or+karma should be added to the notification so that it will be easier for us to know where we do wrong and do good. Frankly speaking this -Karma will cause problem in this forum if not proper care.
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I think and if I am not mistaken, it was Mate2237 that was first made an official thread for this issue and he got negative karma for creating that thread.
Nobody get negative karma for creating a topic/threads unless the thread is created for scamming or sharing malware links. if Mte2237 was given negative karma, then it is definitely for something else. if the user Mate2237 thinks that his negative was inappropriate, he can report it at the Forum court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0) to get it reviewed and removed.
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I think and if I am not mistaken, it was Mate2237 that was first made an official thread for this issue and he got negative karma for creating that thread.
Nobody get negative karma for creating a topic/threads unless the thread is created for scamming or sharing malware links. if Mte2237 was given negative karma, then it is definitely for something else. if the user Mate2237 thinks that his negative was inappropriate, he can report it at the Forum court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0) to get it reviewed and removed.
As far I think sometimes negative karma given due to mistakenly clicking on wrong place. I am using Android phone and Karma+ and Karma- are buttons are so close. Two times I clicked on negative in the place of positive mistakenly. I think the karma system should be changed and there should be comment section also that why one negative karma. it will be easy for everyone to check and could be challenge. Now the reality is that ,no one know who gives karma,why gives and on which post which create problem for members
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I think and if I am not mistaken, it was Mate2237 that was first made an official thread for this issue and he got negative karma for creating that thread.
Nobody get negative karma for creating a topic/threads unless the thread is created for scamming or sharing malware links. if Mte2237 was given negative karma, then it is definitely for something else. if the user Mate2237 thinks that his negative was inappropriate, he can report it at the Forum court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0) to get it reviewed and removed.
As far I think sometimes negative karma given due to mistakenly clicking on wrong place. I am using Android phone and Karma+ and Karma- are buttons are so close. Two times I clicked on negative in the place of positive mistakenly. I think the karma system should be changed and there should be comment section also that why one negative karma. it will be easy for everyone to check and could be challenge. Now the reality is that ,no one know who gives karma,why gives and on which post which create problem for members
I've raised similar concerns and made solutions; I don't expect them to be implemented, but it's worth trying. I'm too lazy to check which thread I posted in, but as I already indicated, the best approach is to create a pop-up screen every time someone hits the +Karma or -Karma to confirm action. However, there is an easy technique to avoid clicking on the wrong Karma button: always zoom in on the profile before clicking the button. This is what I do when I am reading the forum on my mobile device.
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Why is everyone talking about karma and opening so many karma topics in last few days? :o
Just forget about it guys, use it like you are using likes and dislikes on any other platform, dont overthink it so much.
If you try to contribute in some way you will get rewarded, for example PX-Z who make AltcoinsTalks telegram notification bot.
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I often avoid the negative karma thing and keep posting because getting dishearten from negative karma doesn't makes sense to me.
You've done your best on the altcoinstalks forum and keep trying to make posts to stay away from -karma.
But maybe at another time your post was something that offended another member or hurt another member's feelings.
I will give +1 karma to you because you are in a disadvantaged position, I really care about members who are experiencing difficulties. :)
If you try to contribute in some way you will get rewarded, for example PX-Z who make AltcoinsTalks telegram notification bot.
It is very true that this karma is like Like and Dislike on YouTube, as far as I know, Like and Dislike on YouTube, no one knows who does it.
We have to continue to contribute to being the best in the altcoinstalks forum as you said, that is, your friend created a Telegram bot for notifications, it will definitely add +karma to him for providing super fast notifications in the Telegram application. +1 karma for you. :)
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-karma helps to fight with these bad habits not involving moderation or harder penalties. And it works good enough. Some newbies who got a lot of -karma in the very beginning improve their behavior. You get -karma? Are you sure you are not doing anything bad? As for the topic starter, he has a habit of answering the first post on the 3d page... I didn't give him -karma for that but if anyone will, I think it will be a deserved -karma. ???
This is very good, but how will the member know what is the reason for receiving negative karma? I mean, he will not know whether he received this negative karma because his post was of low quality, or because he wrote a response to the first post after the third page, or any other reason you mentioned?
There are many reasons that could make a member get negative karma, but without knowing the reason, he will not change his wrong behavior and will continue to write with the same bad habits, so perhaps it is appropriate to put a hint about the reason that made him get negative karma, so that he can avoid these bad habits.
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Most of the members who moved from Bitcointalk to this forum feel bad when they receive negative karma without any reason and the worst thing is that they don't even know who sent them that negative karma and why. I suggest admin of the forum to think about the negative karma thing. My suggestion is to only allow moderators or high authority members to send negative karma and if they send any negative karma then they should also explain the reason for sending that negative karma.
I am not in favour of letting know who sent the negative Karma, it will create massive personal conflicts between each others.
But this tool should not be given to everyone if this is the current system. It should be given to people who have proven that they do not allow their personal issue to affect a karma. Like merit sources there should be a selective group of people who will be able to use this tool. Some mods can monitor these Karma Source to check if they are abusing the privilege.
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I am not in favour of letting know who sent the negative Karma, it will create massive personal conflicts between each others.
But this tool should not be given to everyone if this is the current system. It should be given to people who have proven that they do not allow their personal issue to affect a karma. Like merit sources there should be a selective group of people who will be able to use this tool. Some mods can monitor these Karma Source to check if they are abusing the privilege.
Hey my best friend over there, I am happy to see you here, you are welcome. As you can see the karma system is having an intense here because people are abusing it without any course. So the protest or the agitation is very high this days. Karma is like to dislike and like someone but the issue here is that when someone dislikes you he or she would click on -Karma and your hard earned +Karma would just disappear then you will start from the beginning again struggling to earn +karma again and if you try have again they would -Karma again so the system is abusive and that is the bone of contention here. So we want admin to do something about it. Like as you said, let group of people who are capable of wearing thick skin to ignore some people character should do the -Karma issue if not I am not a prophet but this will become a good drama in the future. And to avoid that let the moderators, staff and admin should do something to prevent it. Because only this days almost 4 or 5 threads only on this issue...
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I will want you guys to read the answers of this thread https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314128.msg1458505#msg1458505, after creating this thread, one of the karma was removed again and that made me angry and abandoned the account for a while. When jokers brought out the comment that possibly removed the first karma it was like a ridiculous. Because I didn't see anything wrong in that comment for someone to gave me -Karma. And the worst part in the process of discussing how the first Karma was disappeared, another again and that made me to accused the same person that I s victimizing me.
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I have received negative karma a few times and whenever I receive a negative karma I feel that what I have done wrong that someone sent me a negative karma? I often avoid the negative karma thing and keep posting because getting dishearten from negative karma doesn't makes sense to me. However, today I have seen the thread of yahoo62278 where he mentioned that he also got a negative karma and that's why I decided to make this thread as a suggestion to admin to do something about that negative karma.
I think you shouldn't worry about negative karma
Just keep creating quality content and your karma will grown naturally. It just takes time
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Why is everyone talking about karma and opening so many karma topics in last few days? :o
Just forget about it guys, use it like you are using likes and dislikes on any other platform, dont overthink it so much.
If you try to contribute in some way you will get rewarded, for example PX-Z who make AltcoinsTalks telegram notification bot.
I do agree, I think some members doesn't want to get negative Karma, but it is what it is. And I guess it steam for the other forum as well and I don't what to some rude, but maybe we are comparing this community from the other one?
We have Merits on the other side and here it's Karma. And maybe this what distinguished itself from each other as the Admin implemented a policy that you will not know who send you those Karma.
And then it will be all over again, retaliations, personal vindications, dramas, similar to what we have seen on the other community.
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This is very good, but how will the member know what is the reason for receiving negative karma? I mean, he will not know whether he received this negative karma because his post was of low quality, or because he wrote a response to the first post after the third page, or any other reason you mentioned?
There are many reasons that could make a member get negative karma, but without knowing the reason, he will not change his wrong behavior and will continue to write with the same bad habits, so perhaps it is appropriate to put a hint about the reason that made him get negative karma, so that he can avoid these bad habits.
1. admin said that showing the post got +karma or -karma is in his to do list. So soon we will have an opportunity to see which exact post met with high disagreement.
2. You can always say that you gave +karma or -karma if you suppose it important, when you will answer the post you liked/disliked.
And the worst part in the process of discussing how the first Karma was disappeared, another again and that made me to accused the same person that I s victimizing me.
Did you go to the Forum Court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0)? If you suspect a karma abuse, you can use forum options to investigate that.
Like as you said, let group of people who are capable of wearing thick skin to ignore some people character should do the -Karma issue if not I am not a prophet but this will become a good drama in the future. And to avoid that let the moderators, staff and admin should do something to prevent it. Because only this days almost 4 or 5 threads only on this issue...
-karma is a light form of bad behavior fight. Most users get +karma much easier than -karma. Your idea to decrease the number of users who can give -karma will make this option useless. If so many others don't like your posts, maybe you can improve something. If it is a karma abuse, use the Forum Court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0). No need restricting karma usage of a wide range of users just because we don't like getting -karma. As long as we get much more +karma, it is not the end of the world.
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I am not in favour of letting know who sent the negative Karma, it will create massive personal conflicts between each others.
But this tool should not be given to everyone if this is the current system. It should be given to people who have proven that they do not allow their personal issue to affect a karma. Like merit sources there should be a selective group of people who will be able to use this tool. Some mods can monitor these Karma Source to check if they are abusing the privilege.
We don't want another closed system in which the strong get stronger while the weak get weaker; I don't want power to be placed in the hands of a few people; and I don't like the idea of unlimited Karma per account.
There should be a limit on how much karma one can send per week based on rank; this way, abuse will be minimised, and only Hero-Legendary accounts should have this ability.
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I am not in favour of letting know who sent the negative Karma, it will create massive personal conflicts between each others.
But this tool should not be given to everyone if this is the current system. It should be given to people who have proven that they do not allow their personal issue to affect a karma. Like merit sources there should be a selective group of people who will be able to use this tool. Some mods can monitor these Karma Source to check if they are abusing the privilege.
We don't want another closed system in which the strong get stronger while the weak get weaker; I don't want power to be placed in the hands of a few people; and I don't like the idea of unlimited Karma per account.
There should be a limit on how much karma one can send per week based on rank; this way, abuse will be minimised, and only Hero-Legendary accounts should have this ability.
For what you have said I gave you +Karma and if it would allow me to give more than 1 Karma I would given more. What you have said is purely a democratic community where the intoxicated powers exercise tyranny in other forums. Really the weak ones in bitcointalk can't say anything there and if they do they would be hunted by the strong powers. This forum is getting interesting day by day. Just remain one thing to get exploded.
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This is a very important point raised here. I actually said something similar to this topic on the telegram notifier thread where I asked PX-Z about the possibility of receiving notifications on who sent karma both positive and negative, post that received the karma but it is not as I thought It would be. However, this system of karma here is quite alright as there is no autonomy on who to give it or not so as to avoid misuse of it but however, it could still be the same here were individuals could just start abusing it to hunt down their perceived opposition or opponents.
I will suggest that for every negative karma given, admin should get a notification to evaluate the post which received that karma as to know if truly the post is worth the negative karma or it is out of hunting. I believe this measures would save some negative karma from being effective on accounts.
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I will suggest that for every negative karma given, admin should get a notification to evaluate the post which received that karma as to know if truly the post is worth the negative karma or it is out of hunting. I believe this measures would save some negative karma from being effective on accounts.
This is quite good advice, because up to now the abuse of negative karma will of course be detrimental to some members who consider karma to be very important for building a reputation here. I'm sure, there must be someone who doesn't like other people for personal reasons or personal problems, so they take it out in unnatural ways, such as throwing negative karma at people they hate, even though the related post isn't that bad.
I'm sure the admin and staff are processing this problem to find a bright spot for everyone. This forum is quite interesting, because the admin is very open to ideas from its members. One of the advantages is interesting enough to still be able to discuss here.
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I will suggest that for every negative karma given, admin should get a notification to evaluate the post which received that karma as to know if truly the post is worth the negative karma or it is out of hunting. I believe this measures would save some negative karma from being effective on accounts.
The admin will not sit in front of a computer and analyse thousands of Karma notifications; if you believe your negative karma is unjustifiable, we have the Forum Court for that. Everyone has one outside of the forum. Do not lose sleep over negative karma as every positive karma removes -1 karma. Just continue contributing
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I have received negative karma a few times and whenever I receive a negative karma I feel that what I have done wrong that someone sent me a negative karma?
SamReomo I actually went through your post history and discovered you are a nice countributor here so in order to compensate you lost karma I have given you one. You probably had a hater maybe from Bitcoin talk that decided to reduce your karma count.
In my opinion I believe the negative karma should be restricted to certain persons like mods to avoid abuse. This is because even if someone had your karma reduced for no reason, you don't even get to know who did it at least.
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Wondering how can we see how much negative karma and how much positive we have here ?
because i seem not to find it though when i am new here there is a Negative Karma I receive (have seen this in my profile directly)
But what I did is PM the Admin asking why do I received one Negative karma and answered
me that someone abused the karma system sending me one without valid reason.
also I understand this karma system in which for me is like Merit system and in BTT there is no
Negative merit while there are abusers as well so let this be here and just use it without abusing.
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Since there is a feature of giving minus karma in this forum, many people misuse this feature. There is a system of giving merit if someone posts well in bitcoin forum but there is no such system where a member can give minus merit. However, a member can give plus karma or minus karma to another member if he/she has a senior member plus account in this forum. I don't see any motive behind giving minus karma, there is no way to give minus karma after seeing a post that is not liked. There is no such thing as a member being given minus karma just because he might post a relatively bad post. If you don't like the post you can ignore the post.
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Since there is a feature of giving minus karma in this forum, many people misuse this feature. There is a system of giving merit if someone posts well in bitcoin forum but there is no such system where a member can give minus merit. However, a member can give plus karma or minus karma to another member if he/she has a senior member plus account in this forum. I don't see any motive behind giving minus karma, there is no way to give minus karma after seeing a post that is not liked. There is no such thing as a member being given minus karma just because he might post a relatively bad post. If you don't like the post you can ignore the post.
The motive behind giving negative karma is due to some members who misbehave or do not give any effort to any of their posts. For example, a user posted a thread asking for a self-definition of cryptocurrency and how it can be helpful. Some users copied the definition of cryptocurrency from Google without properly understanding the question. Those who did so deserve negative karma. And for those who believe that they do not deserve negative karma and think that they have not done anything to be disliked by other forum members or think that someone is abusing the use of negative karma, the admin will take action. This is why they indicate that if someone misuses karma, they may face penalties.
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The main thing is that people are here all of has the power of giving positive karma and negative karma. So, no matter how reputable a member is here, there is a chances of getting negative karma always be, in that case the admin will not be left here. Although it can be abused out of personal animosity, apart from this abuse it can help to keep the forum away from much controversy. For example, if someone is worried about getting negative karma, they will moderate their posts accordingly.
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I think I already saw something about negative karma or misusing karma. But the details are only available to the admin and mods. They can review and see if the karma was justified or not. Then they can take proper action regarding that. But that takes time from the admin's and mod's side.
Implementing something new should be good. But not sure which one should be the best. The karma system is a good thing and that helps to keep out low quality posts and spammers. But people are here using that for no reason or for some personal issues. There needs to be a solution for this.
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I think I already saw something about negative karma or misusing karma. But the details are only available to the admin and mods. They can review and see if the karma was justified or not. Then they can take proper action regarding that. But that takes time from the admin's and mod's side.
Implementing something new should be good. But not sure which one should be the best. The karma system is a good thing and that helps to keep out low quality posts and spammers. But people are here using that for no reason or for some personal issues. There needs to be a solution for this.
Because we as members can only see the karma number and do not know what the reason behind it is.
We also don't know which posts get karma and this leaves me confused and what effect karma has for all users, it just looks like a number is increasing or decreasing.
If we as members or as account owners know what is behind the karma, maybe we will be more concerned and can review what happened.
It needs a few more overhauls so that this Karma system can be useful and have important value for every user.
For those a spammer, or admin fraudsters usually already embed a special badge spammer etc., and that is not that obvious enough.
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I have not received any negative karma, even if I have, I am not aware of it but I don't really kick against the negative karma. If there is any suggestion I have to offer regarding this -karma issue it would be as follow:
1. Let users be aware of their post that got the negative karma. What i mean is that, if after making 3 post In a day and you discovered that you had one negative karma, there should be a feature to allow you know the post that got the negative karma.
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It would be good to see who gave me negative karma. Many people are misusing Karma because now when Karma is sent no one can see each other's picture so many users are misusing it. I also received negative karma a few times but I never got a chance to correct my mistakes. If I know where I have gone wrong, I can certainly be corrected. So this responsibility will be directly performed by the admin and it will be good to see Karma.