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Title: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on February 10, 2024, 10:28:08 AM
Operation Choke Point 2.0 Is Underway, And Crypto Is In Its Crosshairs (https://www.piratewires.com/p/crypto-choke-point)

Detailing the Biden Admin's coordinated, ongoing effort across virtually every US financial regulator to deny crypto firms access to banking services


"For crypto firms, obtaining access to the onshore banking system has always been a challenge. Even today, crypto startups struggle mightily to get banks, and only a handful of boutiques serve them.
This is why stablecoins like Tether found popularity early on: to facilitate fiat settlement where the rails of traditional banking were unavailable.

However, in recent weeks, the intensity of efforts to ringfence the entire crypto space and isolate it from the traditional banking system have ratcheted up significantly. Specifically, the Biden administration is now executing what appears to be a coordinated plan that spans multiple agencies to discourage banks from dealing with crypto firms.
It applies to both traditional banks who would serve crypto clients, and crypto-first firms aiming to get bank charters. It includes the administration itself, influential members of Congress, the Fed, the FDIC, the OCC, and the DoJ.

In sum, banks taking deposits from crypto clients, issuing stablecoins, engaging in crypto custody, or seeking to hold crypto as principal have faced nothing short of an onslaught from regulators in recent weeks.
Time and again, using the expression “safety and soundness,” they’ve made it clear that for a bank, touching public blockchains in any way is considered unacceptably risky



Beginning in 2013, Choke Point was a scheme which sought to marginalize specific industries operating legally — not through lawmaking, but by applying pressure via the banking sector.
The Obama DoJ had already cut its teeth with its successful effort to sideline the online poker space in 2011 and 2012 with threats issued to banks supporting poker companies. With Choke Point, the Department decided to scale up its efforts and target other industries, starting with uncontroversial targets like payday lenders.

Then, the DoJ coordinated with the FDIC and OCC to pressure member banks to “redline” — determine as too risky to do business with — certain legal but politically disfavored sectors, chief among them firearms manufacturers and adult entertainment. Banks and payment processors internalized this guidance, and even after the program was formally shuttered under Trump in 2017, its shadow lingered.
Today, banks simply ascribe a higher risk to activities that they suspect might draw the government’s ire, even if no specific guidance exists.

In 2017, Trump and Republican lawmakers like Rep. Luetkemeyer were able to put a stop to Choke Point for a time, but it didn’t last. One of the first moves from Biden’s OCC was to undo Brian Brook’s Fair Access rule that prohibited political discrimination in banking. Biden’s deputies picked up where Obama’s regulators had left off. And now, after the time it took to digest Biden’s Executive Orders, regulators are tightening the screw.


In some key respects, Crypto Choke Point 2.0 differs from the original. It appears that the administration has learned from the efforts of its predecessors.
In Choke Point 1.0, guidance was mainly informal and involved backdoor, off-the-record conversations. Its main tool was the threat of investigation from the DoJ and FDIC if financial institutions didn’t internalize the administration’s risk standards. Because this was patently unconstitutional, it gave Republicans the collateral to ultimately repeal the program.
In 2.0, everything is happening in plain sight, in the form of rulemaking, written guidance, and blogs. The current crypto crackdown is being sold as a “safety and soundness” issue for banks, and not merely a reputational risk issue.

Jake Chervinsky of the Blockchain Association calls it “regulation by blog post.” No need to ask Congress for new laws if federal regulators can simply make policy by publishing guidance which dissuades banks from doing business with crypto."

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1) Do you think similar policies will expand to other countries - or continents - outside of the USA?

2) Do you think they will expand to your country?
Or are similar policies in your country already in place?

3) Do you think political authorities' anti-cryptos bias will go away in the next future? Or will get stronger?
What is necessary for them to go away?

Your vote in the poll is much appreciated  :D
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on February 10, 2024, 11:27:13 AM
The article would be fine except that the source is unreliable and that it is a year old. I have searched and I only see marginal sites referring to this in news from a year ago.

If it had been published today I would doubt whether Biden wants to shoot himself in the foot by killing the crypto industry in his country and leaving it to other countries to take advantage of it.

But if after a year things are not only not worse, but, for example, spot ETFs have been approved in the USA, we can clearly say that this is fake news.

I hesitated to give you negative karma but I didn't because we all make mistakes.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: DrBeer on February 10, 2024, 12:21:41 PM
Operation Choke Point 2.0 Is Underway, And Crypto Is In Its Crosshairs (https://www.piratewires.com/p/crypto-choke-point)

Detailing the Biden Admin's coordinated, ongoing effort across virtually every US financial regulator to deny crypto firms access to banking services



"For crypto firms, obtaining access to the onshore banking system has always been a challenge. Even today, crypto startups struggle mightily to get banks, and only a handful of boutiques serve them.
This is why stablecoins like Tether found popularity early on: to facilitate fiat settlement where the rails of traditional banking were unavailable.

However, in recent weeks, the intensity of efforts to ringfence the entire crypto space and isolate it from the traditional banking system have ratcheted up significantly. Specifically, the Biden administration is now executing what appears to be a coordinated plan that spans multiple agencies to discourage banks from dealing with crypto firms.
It applies to both traditional banks who would serve crypto clients, and crypto-first firms aiming to get bank charters. It includes the administration itself, influential members of Congress, the Fed, the FDIC, the OCC, and the DoJ.

In sum, banks taking deposits from crypto clients, issuing stablecoins, engaging in crypto custody, or seeking to hold crypto as principal have faced nothing short of an onslaught from regulators in recent weeks.
Time and again, using the expression “safety and soundness,” they’ve made it clear that for a bank, touching public blockchains in any way is considered unacceptably risky



Beginning in 2013, Choke Point was a scheme which sought to marginalize specific industries operating legally — not through lawmaking, but by applying pressure via the banking sector.
The Obama DoJ had already cut its teeth with its successful effort to sideline the online poker space in 2011 and 2012 with threats issued to banks supporting poker companies. With Choke Point, the Department decided to scale up its efforts and target other industries, starting with uncontroversial targets like payday lenders.

Then, the DoJ coordinated with the FDIC and OCC to pressure member banks to “redline” — determine as too risky to do business with — certain legal but politically disfavored sectors, chief among them firearms manufacturers and adult entertainment. Banks and payment processors internalized this guidance, and even after the program was formally shuttered under Trump in 2017, its shadow lingered.
Today, banks simply ascribe a higher risk to activities that they suspect might draw the government’s ire, even if no specific guidance exists.

In 2017, Trump and Republican lawmakers like Rep. Luetkemeyer were able to put a stop to Choke Point for a time, but it didn’t last. One of the first moves from Biden’s OCC was to undo Brian Brook’s Fair Access rule that prohibited political discrimination in banking. Biden’s deputies picked up where Obama’s regulators had left off. And now, after the time it took to digest Biden’s Executive Orders, regulators are tightening the screw.


In some key respects, Crypto Choke Point 2.0 differs from the original. It appears that the administration has learned from the efforts of its predecessors.
In Choke Point 1.0, guidance was mainly informal and involved backdoor, off-the-record conversations. Its main tool was the threat of investigation from the DoJ and FDIC if financial institutions didn’t internalize the administration’s risk standards. Because this was patently unconstitutional, it gave Republicans the collateral to ultimately repeal the program.
In 2.0, everything is happening in plain sight, in the form of rulemaking, written guidance, and blogs. The current crypto crackdown is being sold as a “safety and soundness” issue for banks, and not merely a reputational risk issue.

Jake Chervinsky of the Blockchain Association calls it “regulation by blog post.” No need to ask Congress for new laws if federal regulators can simply make policy by publishing guidance which dissuades banks from doing business with crypto."



1) Do you think similar policies will expand to other countries - or continents - outside of the USA?

2) Do you think they will expand to your country?
Or are similar policies in your country already in place?

3) Do you think political authorities' anti-cryptos bias will go away in the next future? Or will get stronger?
What is necessary for them to go away?

Your vote in the poll is much appreciated  :D


With all due respect to you - but the article you link to is very much a "throw-in" for manipulation. Just look at the changes that are happening here and now, in the US market towards cryptocurrencies ?
What I agree with is that the US is always very careful in dealing with financial markets - because it is the backbone of the US, and they really will not allow anyone, with any tool, to enter this market, it is a matter of real financial and national security. Plus the state minimizes the risks that American citizens will be exposed to financial risks, because this is also a big problem for the state. And of course - the state limits the possibilities of tax evasion - it's silly to hide it :)

PS Look at the "perfect example" of irresponsible attitude to the financial market in the ex-USSR. I'll just write three letters - and you read what it led to, when the state does not care about its citizens at all. "MMM" and Mavrodi
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: Peter90 on February 10, 2024, 12:58:09 PM
Currently Operation Choke Point 2.0 is going on in the USA: banks are under pressure - just as one year ago - by the authorities to avoid crypto business and to sever ties with crypto businesses.

Ask any crypto business in the USA how easy it is for them today to make business with a US bank



"1) On Dec. 6, Senators Elizabeth Warren, John Kennedy, and Roger Marshall send a letter to crypto-friendly bank Silvergate, scolding them for providing services to FTX and Alameda research, and lambasting them for failing to report suspicious activities associated with those clients

2) On Dec. 7, Signature (among the most active banks serving crypto clients) announces its intent to halve deposits ascribed to crypto clients — in other words, they’ll give customers their money back, then shut down their accounts — drawing its crypto deposits down from $23b at peak to $10b, and to exit its stablecoin business

3) On Jan. 3, the Fed, the FDIC, and the OCC release a joint statement on the risks to banks engaging with crypto, not explicitly banning banks’ ability to hold crypto or deal with crypto clients, but strongly discouraging them from doing so on a “safety and soundness” basis

4) On Jan. 9, Metropolitan Commercial Bank (one of the few banks that serve crypto clients) announces a total shutdown of its cryptoasset-related vertical

5) On Jan. 9, Silvergate stock falls to a low of $11.55 on bank run and insolvency fears, having traded as high as $160 in March 2022

6) On Jan. 21, Binance announces that due to policy at Signature bank, they will only process user fiat transactions worth more than $100,000

7) On Jan. 27, the Federal Reserve denies crypto bank Custodia’s two-year application to become a member of the Federal Reserve system, citing “safety and soundness” risks

8 ) On Jan. 27, the Kansas City Fed branch denies Custodia’s application for a master account, which would have given it the ability to use wholesale payment services, and to hold reserves with the Fed directly

9) On Jan. 27, the Fed also issues a policy statement which discourages banks from holding cryptoassets or issuing stablecoins, and broadens their authority to cover non-FDIC insured state-chartered banks (a reaction to Wyoming Special Purpose Depository Institutions (SPDIs) like Custodia, which can hold crypto alongside fiat for its banking customers)

10) On Jan. 27, the National Economic Council releases a policy statement not explicitly banning banks from serving crypto clients, but strongly discouraging banks from transacting with cryptoassets directly or maintaining exposure to crypto depositors

11) On Feb. 2, the DoJ’s fraud unit announces an investigation into Silvergate over their dealings with FTX and Alameda

12) On Feb. 6, Binance suspends USD bank transfers for retail clients (Binance US was not affected)

13) On Feb. 7, the Jan. 27 Fed statement is entered into the federal register, turning the policy statement into a final rule, with no Congressional review, or public notice-and-comment period

14) As of Feb. 8, Protego and Paxos’ applications to follow Anchorage and obtain full approval to become National Trust Banks are still outstanding (past the 18 month deadline), and appear likely to be imminently denied by the OCC.



Which one of these measures and statements was withdrawn?
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: 0t3p0t on February 10, 2024, 01:16:50 PM
Do you think similar policies will expand to other countries - or continents - outside of the USA?
Yes there is a huge possibility that similar policies will expand outside of the USA.

Do you think they will expand to your country?
Or are similar policies in your country already in place?
Yes, what had happened to Binance banning and other exchanges that are not registered here in my country is for me a gesture, a step or a sign that they are already planning for something that might end up a big deal in the future like implementing similar policies here in my country.

Do you think political authorities' anti-cryptos bias will go away in the next future? Or will get stronger?
What is necessary for them to go away?
Well that kind of idea don't die but multiply so we will expect more of them in the future. I wish that one day they will see potential with crypto and instead of fighting against it they will partake. I think maintaining the good image of crypto will drive them away as it proved them wrong. 
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on February 10, 2024, 03:28:40 PM
Currently Operation Choke Point 2.0 is going on in the USA: banks are under pressure - just as one year ago - by the authorities to avoid crypto business and to sever ties with crypto businesses.

You are just repeating the fake news as if the fact that what you are saying happened a year ago is not relevant.

Currently Operation Choke Point 2.0 is going on in the USA: banks are under pressure - just as one year ago - by the authorities to avoid crypto business and to sever ties with crypto businesses.

Ask any crypto business in the USA how easy it is for them today to make business with a US bank



"1) On Dec. 6, 2022 Senators Elizabeth Warren, John Kennedy, and Roger Marshall send a letter to crypto-friendly bank Silvergate, scolding them for providing services to FTX and Alameda research, and lambasting them for failing to report suspicious activities associated with those clients

2) On Dec. 7 2022, Signature (among the most active banks serving crypto clients) announces its intent to halve deposits ascribed to crypto clients — in other words, they’ll give customers their money back, then shut down their accounts — drawing its crypto deposits down from $23b at peak to $10b, and to exit its stablecoin business

3) On Jan. 3 2023, the Fed, the FDIC, and the OCC release a joint statement on the risks to banks engaging with crypto, not explicitly banning banks’ ability to hold crypto or deal with crypto clients, but strongly discouraging them from doing so on a “safety and soundness” basis

4) On Jan. 9 2023,, Metropolitan Commercial Bank (one of the few banks that serve crypto clients) announces a total shutdown of its cryptoasset-related vertical

5) On Jan. 9 2023,, Silvergate stock falls to a low of $11.55 on bank run and insolvency fears, having traded as high as $160 in March 2022

6) On Jan. 21 2023,, Binance announces that due to policy at Signature bank, they will only process user fiat transactions worth more than $100,000

7) On Jan. 27 2023,, the Federal Reserve denies crypto bank Custodia’s two-year application to become a member of the Federal Reserve system, citing “safety and soundness” risks

8 ) On Jan. 27 2023,, the Kansas City Fed branch denies Custodia’s application for a master account, which would have given it the ability to use wholesale payment services, and to hold reserves with the Fed directly

9) On Jan. 27 2023,, the Fed also issues a policy statement which discourages banks from holding cryptoassets or issuing stablecoins, and broadens their authority to cover non-FDIC insured state-chartered banks (a reaction to Wyoming Special Purpose Depository Institutions (SPDIs) like Custodia, which can hold crypto alongside fiat for its banking customers)

10) On Jan. 27 2023,, the National Economic Council releases a policy statement not explicitly banning banks from serving crypto clients, but strongly discouraging banks from transacting with cryptoassets directly or maintaining exposure to crypto depositors

11) On Feb. 2 2023,, the DoJ’s fraud unit announces an investigation into Silvergate over their dealings with FTX and Alameda

12) On Feb. 6 2023,, Binance suspends USD bank transfers for retail clients (Binance US was not affected)

13) On Feb. 7 2023,, the Jan. 27 Fed statement is entered into the federal register, turning the policy statement into a final rule, with no Congressional review, or public notice-and-comment period

14) As of Feb. 8 2023,, Protego and Paxos’ applications to follow Anchorage and obtain full approval to become National Trust Banks are still outstanding (past the 18 month deadline), and appear likely to be imminently denied by the OCC.

The bold highlighting of the year is my own.

Which one of these measures and statements was withdrawn?

Withdrawn? That you rely on parroting things like the DoJ investigating Silvergate and its relationship with FTX and Alameda a year ago to defend a conspiracy theory that is not happening in the US or in any democratic country in the world does not require much explanation.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: Peter90 on February 12, 2024, 07:47:23 PM
Thanks 0t3, I'll comment on your remarks later.
I'm a member of a gold forum, whose admin in May 2023 authored an article titled America's War on Crypto, in which he writes:

Quote
Three Pronged Attack​

The American government is currently employing a three pronged attack on the crypto industry in an attempt to suffocate it.

Prong number one makes headlines in most news media and involves the SEC purposefully maintaining vague guidance and attacking companies with lawsuits.
Their behavior has been so egregious that it has drawn dissent from their own ranks and from Congress. The SEC has apparently been tasked to be the Biden administration's Shawshank warden Samuel Norton in obtusely responding to the crypto industry. There really isn't any other way to explain SEC chair Gensler's blatant hypocrisy.

Prong number two has flown under the radar of most news media and involves the revival of Operation Choke Point - an Obama era program that aimed to de-bank lawful industries that the administration disfavored.
The operation was shut down circa 2017, but is now making a comeback targeting the crypto industry.
Cooper & Kirk, a law firm that sued FDIC, OCC & Fed over the original Operation Choke Point, published a detailed summary of Operation Choke Point 2.0.

The third prong involves legislation and executive orders designed to handcuff the crypto industry including increasing taxes on bitcoin miners and regulations.


So, since that guy is from Texas, I asked him whether Operation Choke Point 2 is still going on.
He was nice and replied  :D

(https://i.ibb.co/sj3dPcM/3.png)


"When a startup crypto business gets denied banking accounts, it doesn't generally make the news."

I wish some users from the USA could chime in...
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: TomPluz on February 13, 2024, 09:24:38 AM

In 2017, Trump and Republican lawmakers like Rep. Luetkemeyer were able to put a stop to Choke Point for a time, but it didn’t last. One of the first moves from Biden’s OCC was to undo Brian Brook’s Fair Access rule that prohibited political discrimination in banking. Biden’s deputies picked up where Obama’s regulators had left off. And now, after the time it took to digest Biden’s Executive Orders, regulators are tightening the screw.


This is one reason why I do believe that between Biden and Trump...it is the latter that is a lot more crypto friendly than the former. And that is why the crypto industry as a whole should be wishing that DJT can be back in the WH by January 2025 though I understand that people may have their own perceived differences with Trump and may not be voting for him. Well, I am just wishing they would because I could not vote being non-American myself. Anyway, let's leave politics to the ballots. Now, when I heard about this "Operation Choke Point" it reminds me of those in the top once again using their power to squeeze players in a certain industry...and in this case the cryptocurrency industry. We have seen how SEC is really an enmity to the industry as a whole and if not for a court order we would not have BTC-ETFs today as Gary Gensler  was then quite adamant with this strong opposition to such a facility. What is sinister is that these people are doing their things silently, not letting the people know what they are doing and the mainstream press is agreeing with them all the way as if not capable of committing mistakes and no matter what can be the repercussions. Another four years and the cryptocurrency industry in USA would be a withering plant. Here in my country, after years of being lax with cryptocurrency and its many tax issues, seems to me the current administration is now starting to take a look and see which platforms can continue doing business as there can be some that got some presence but have no required license to do so. I am not so sure yet where there is going to as there is no laid out general roadmap for the industry yet...so this remains to be seen.





Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: robelneo on February 13, 2024, 01:25:50 PM
Here in my country, after years of being lax with cryptocurrency and its many tax issues, seems to me the current administration is now starting to take a look and see which platforms can continue doing business as there can be some that got some presence but have no required license to do so. I am not so sure yet where there is going to as there is no laid out general roadmap for the industry yet...so this remains to be seen.

You mean Binance, because in a few weeks, it will be banned in our country, in this the case the government just wants Cryptocurrency platforms to be compliant and run their business with government regulation because they want to protect their people, so far the taxation is not yet laid out for Cryptocurrency users but if they implement it, then the government want to have control on platforms and users, but yes we'll wait and see what the government are planning now because they cannot ignore Cryptocurrency in our country.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: pacar_tiri on February 15, 2024, 05:50:09 PM
You mean Binance, because in a few weeks, it will be banned in our country, in this the case the government just wants Cryptocurrency platforms to be compliant and run their business with government regulation because they want to protect their people, so far the taxation is not yet laid out for Cryptocurrency users but if they implement it, then the government want to have control on platforms and users, but yes we'll wait and see what the government are planning now because they cannot ignore Cryptocurrency in our country.
When the government tries to regulate cryptocurrency circulation, it will never be able to, but to regulate cryptocurrency platforms such as exchanges that are based in several countries, they will probably have their own financial regulations and must be registered with the government to run smoothly, as is already the case in many countries. which accepts transactions using cryptocurrency, so it is not an important problem to continue to comply with the rules in each country.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on February 16, 2024, 10:32:09 AM
You'll Never Believe What Senator Elizabeth Warren Just Did

Bitcoin Magazine's Mark Goodwin reports that in an unexpected turn of events, Elizabeth Warren, the long-time adversary of Bitcoin on Capitol Hill, has seen the orange-tinted light and quite literally raised a flag to praise the work of Bitcoin’s anonymous creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, celebrating 15 years since the network launched.

In participation of the Capitol Flag Program, Senator Warren’s office submitted a request to commemorate Nakamoto’s accomplishment of creating the first “truly inclusive financial system,” with the colors of the United States being flown above the Capitol on December 18, 2023 – a date known to Bitcoiners as HODL Day.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/1_40.jpg?itok=CXcLRS7u)


Only one week before Warren ordered the flag flown, the Senator introduced legislation to give the Treasury more tools to restrict the criminal usage of Bitcoin, making bold comments that they “need new laws to crack down on crypto’s use in enabling terrorist groups, rogue nations, drug lords, ransomware gangs, and fraudsters to launder billions in stolen funds, evade sanctions, fund illegal weapons programs, and profit from devastating cyberattacks.”

zerohedge.com (https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/youll-never-believe-what-senator-elizabeth-warren-just-did)

Honestly... I'm confused ...  ???
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: ABCbits on February 16, 2024, 12:32:53 PM
While i doubt authenticate of such news, i don't expect such operation have major impact when smaller bank would continue to accept cryptocurrency activity or business for more profit and customer.

You'll Never Believe What Senator Elizabeth Warren Just Did

--snip--

Honestly... I'm confused ...  ???

I would guess she did it to claim that she's not anti crypto, even though law she suggest reduce freedom offered by cryptocurrency in general.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on February 16, 2024, 08:03:58 PM
While i doubt authenticate of such news, i don't expect such operation have major impact when smaller bank would continue to accept cryptocurrency activity or business for more profit and customer.

Well that's the point ABC, smaller banks in the USA don't accept crypto activity or business.
These are only some instances from last year:


"On Dec. 7, Signature (among the most active banks serving crypto clients) announces its intent to halve deposits ascribed to crypto clients — in other words, they’ll give customers their money back, then shut down their accounts — drawing its crypto deposits down from $23b at peak to $10b, and to exit its stablecoin business

On Jan. 3, the Fed, the FDIC, and the OCC release a joint statement on the risks to banks engaging with crypto, not explicitly banning banks’ ability to hold crypto or deal with crypto clients, but strongly discouraging them from doing so on a “safety and soundness” basis

On Jan. 9, Metropolitan Commercial Bank (one of the few banks that serve crypto clients) announces a total shutdown of its cryptoasset-related vertical

On Jan. 27, the Fed also issues a policy statement which discourages banks from holding cryptoassets or issuing stablecoins

On Jan. 27,the National Economic Council releases a policy statement not explicitly banning banks from serving crypto clients, but strongly discouraging banks from transacting with cryptoassets directly or maintaining exposure to crypto depositors


In sum, banks taking deposits from crypto clients, issuing stablecoins, engaging in crypto custody, or seeking to hold crypto as principal have faced nothing short of an onslaught from regulators in recent weeks.

Time and again, using the expression “safety and soundness,” they’ve made it clear that for a bank, touching public blockchains in any way is considered unacceptably risky."

piratewires.com (https://www.piratewires.com/p/crypto-choke-point)


Please note that things have not changed since then: none of these measures or statements were taken back.
If you are a crypto business in the USA you can't open an bank account for your company, because US banks are afraid of the regulators, they are aware that regulators are against crypto business.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on February 17, 2024, 03:12:28 PM
While i doubt authenticate of such news

It looks like you are smarter than me  :D
It was a prank!

"CoinDesk’s Sam Kessler reported on how the prank was pulled off: “anyone can, for a fee, fill out a form on the Senator's website to have a flag flown over the U.S. Capitol.”
And apparently someone did.

While there doesn’t appear to be a record online of the flag being flown (or any documented evidence, for that matter), the anonymous prankster did send the certificates Sen. Warren’s office signed to PubKey, a waterhole for Bitcoiners in downtown New York City.

Last night, comedian T.J. Miller revealed the documents at the establishment, PubKey’s head of marketing Daniel Modell said in an interview with CoinDesk.
“I mean, if they're not reading simple things like a certificate, how deeply do they read legislation?” Modell said

It’s likely the prank will rank among other legendary moments of lighthearted sabotage, like Bitcoin Sign Guy broadcasting to the world to buy bitcoin as now Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was delivering a talk, or the still unknown Apple employee who put a version of the Bitcoin white paper on MacOS."

coindesk.com (https://www.coindesk.com/consensus-magazine/2024/02/16/what-the-warrensatoshi-flag-moment-means/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=rss&utm_campaign=headlines&source=pmbug.com)
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Geey on February 17, 2024, 05:12:18 PM
If I'm not mistaken, I've heard articles like this. If this is true, this will happen to the development of crypto, why is crypto still developing even further than before, even many companies and countries are using it, although not all countries, but I am sure that crypto will continue to live in the future because crypto brings new technology, even every bank in the country there are those who are collaborating with crypto.. even though crypto in my country is not yet fully permitted, the government has started to see the sophistication of crypto technology and they have started to be interested in crypto, I hope the government in my country uses crypto technology too.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on February 21, 2024, 09:25:21 PM
SEC’s Unlawful Targeting of Digital Asset Industry Challenged in New Lawsuit From Startup LEJILEX and Crypto Freedom Alliance of Texas​

The SEC not only lacks legal authority to regulate most digital asset transactions, but has proven it is unprepared to respect the limits Congress has put on its jurisdiction or even to develop and enforce common sense and consistent regulations for this emerging industry, relying instead on regulation via ad hoc enforcement actions. The SEC’s unlawful, unpredictable approach has created an environment in which companies like LEJILEX are unable to operate without fear of being subject to SEC enforcement actions – leaving a trillion-dollar industry and law-abiding individuals in a state of uncertainty while diminishing the United States’ leadership in this critical sector.

businesswire.com (https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240220458690/en/SEC?source=pmbug.com)
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on February 26, 2024, 12:49:21 AM
Custodia is leading a one-bank crypto crusade against the Fed and reviving claims of Operation Chokepoint 2.0

Remember Operation Chokepoint 2.0? The narrative feels like a distant memory, buried by competing storylines like the Sam Bankman-Fried trial and the race for the Bitcoin ETF, but it dominated the crypto airwaves just a few months ago.

One of the companies at the center of the Operation Chokepoint 2.0 narrative says it has new evidence that proves its existence. Caitlin Long, the founder and CEO of Custodia Bank, has been at war with the Federal Reserve for years. With a Harvard Law degree and a Wall Street background, Long has been on a crusade to create a blockchain-focused bank since 2016, going so far as to lobby the Wyoming state government to create a specific digital asset banking structure. The brainchild of the campaign became Custodia, which would offer crypto products like Bitcoin custodial services, as well as its own stablecoin.

Crypto advocates poring over Custodia's 64-page motion will instead find further proof of Operation Chokepoint 2.0. Presented in a different light, Long worked with a state government to create a new legal framework for crypto banking that should work with the Fed model. Instead, the Fed rejected its innovative approach, in a potentially illegal manner.

Coinbase's lawsuit against the SEC gets the lion's share of the headlines, with some legal analysts predicting that it could go all the way to the Supreme Court and defang several federal agencies. Custodia's petition could be just as consequential.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/custodia-leading-one-bank-crypto-142016251.html
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on February 26, 2024, 07:36:54 PM
Custodia is leading a one-bank crypto crusade against the Fed and reviving claims of Operation Chokepoint 2.0

As long as I understand it, the FED is denying to give Custodia a master account and membership with the Fed: "Without such a master account a bank can't offer the same services as institutions with such accounts."
The reason for the denial is basically Custodia's crypto business:

"Eighteen months later, in January 2023, Custodia was rejected in every single category the Fed assesses, partly because of its crypto friendliness and part because it was a state-chartered bank, not a nationally chartered one.
In its rejection, the central bank claimed Custodia's lack of federal deposit insurance and Custodia’s dependence on a vibrant crypto market made it a danger to itself and its customers."

coindesk.com (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/06/10/custodias-suit-against-fed-over-denial-of-master-account-can-proceed-court-rules/)

Interestingly the State of Wyoming filed an amicus briefs (whatever that means...) to support Custodia's lawsuit.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on February 28, 2024, 10:42:44 AM
SEC lawsuit vs. Coinbase

There is a pending litigation between the SEC (U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission) and Coinbase, another sign - imo - that Operation CP 2 is still going on
Let's see what this litigation is about


SEC's argument
On that basis, the SEC asserts that Coinbase is operating both as an unregistered securities exchange and as an unregistered broker (with respect to any tokens that are securities).


Coinbase’s argument
According to Coinbase, because tokens sold on its platform are not the subject of any formal contract entitling their holders to payment from the issuers or to any interest in their assets, the tokens cannot qualify as “securities” as a matter of law.
When tokens are purchased through Coinbase, “there is no investment of money coupled with a promise of future delivery of anything. There is an asset sale. That’s it.
It is akin to the sale of a parcel of land, the value of which may fluctuate after the sale.
Or a condo in a new development. Or an American Girl Doll, or a Beanie Baby, or a baseball card.”

freemanlaw.com (https://freemanlaw.com/sec-v-coinbase-an-update-and-summary/)


So, who do you think is right?
The SEC or Coinbase?
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 01, 2024, 07:32:55 PM
SEC’s Unlawful Targeting of Digital Asset Industry Challenged in New Lawsuit From Startup LEJILEX and Crypto Freedom Alliance of Texas

"To justify their ad hoc enforcement actions, the SEC claims that practically all digital assets qualify as securities under the SEC’s purview because they represent “investment contracts,” a catch-all category within the definition of security.

In this lawsuit, the plaintiffs seek a judicial declaration that sales of digital assets like the ones that would take place on LEJILEX’s platform are not securities transactions.
As the plaintiffs’ complaint explains, these transactions do not fit the definition of "investment contracts"; if they did, the SEC’s authority would be virtually limitless, covering any purchase of an asset that might appreciate in value.

For example, the SEC’s view of its own authority would apparently mean that buying a pair of limited-run Nike sneakers with the intention of reselling them, while expecting that Nike would continue working to increase demand for those coveted shoes, would be enough to turn those sneakers into securities, their resale into a securities transaction subject to regulation by the SEC, and any auction house or consignment store that helps resell them into an unregistered securities exchange."

finance.yahoo.com (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-unlawful-targeting-digital-asset-163000500.html)


LEJILEX CEO's comment shows that Operation CP2 is still running

"The sec’s actions against our industry have paralyzed those of us who just want to create legal businesses and technologies.
The fear of an abusive application of the rules should not be something that entrepreneurs are forced to experience."

en.cryptonomist.ch (https://en.cryptonomist.ch/2024/02/23/the-sec-of-gary-gensler-sued-in-texas-for-cryptocurrencies/)
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 03, 2024, 04:33:37 PM
Operation CP2 coming to Australia?

Australia's biggest bank, Commonwealth Bank, is limiting monthly bitcoin purchases

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHvcrmpboAArJgh?format=jpg&name=900x900)


https://x.com/SimplyBitcoinTV/status/1764246328790679642?s=20
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country?
Post by: Peter90 on March 15, 2024, 04:41:47 PM
I'm going to deal with the issues Binance and Kraken are experiencing, as further examples of Operation CP2 still going on in the USA.
But before that


What is sinister is that these people are doing their things silently, not letting the people know what they are doing and the mainstream press is agreeing with them all the way

I agree 100%
and that's why people living outside the USA ignore how crypto businesses in the USA are prevented from receiving banking services, and of how banks are pressured by the authorities to avoid doing business with crypto companies.

But ignorance is not a problem per se, it becomes a problem when trolls think about censuring what contrast with their world view

How does the forum deal with fake news? (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317432.msg1494397#msg1494397)

Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 20, 2024, 12:28:51 AM
"I wonder how many really understand the bitter opposition by policymakers to Bitcoin and especially an ETF.

Gary Gensler doesn't really hate it because of investor protection ... Elizabeth Warren doesn't actually think its criminal use is significant. Obscure members of Congress who seem to pop up out of nowhere -- with Bitcoin, of all things, strangely on their minds -- and who repeat these tiresome objections ... are in many cases quietly pushed to do so by others, including from the Fed, who understand the real threat:

In a system that depends on irresponsible government spending ... and fiat printing to cover that irresponsibility, alarm bells cannot be allowed to work. There must be no pure price signals. And above all, an alarm bell must not also serve as a life-raft that's easily accessible to everyone, especially the general public, in the form of an ETF. There must be no escape hatch.

This is an unstated but important motivation for the longstanding resistance to Bitcoin and especially an ETF. It's also why the three-judge panel of a federal appeals court that in 2023 essentially forced the SEC to approve the ETFs may ultimately turn out to be the most unsung but consequential people in the history of U.S. financial markets."

twitter.com/MacroScope17 (https://twitter.com/MacroScope17/status/1769400435188601164?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1769400435188601164%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=)

Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 20, 2024, 04:21:10 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/zPzRbH0/1.png)


This is exactly how Operation CP2 works: make life difficult e.g. through examinations or reviews...

That's how banks in the USA are currently pressured by the authorities to avoid offering banking services to crypto businesses.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 21, 2024, 09:54:11 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/WctYQQw/1.png)


I don't understand, I made a list of policies which were put in place (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1494312#msg1494312) - measures which in my view constitute Operation CK2 - and asked which one of them was repealed.
The reason why I asked is that if those policies haven't been repealed, they are still in place, i.e. Operation CK2 is still going on.

This guy smears a user as someone who spreads fake news but he doesn't back up his allegation with any argument, he doesn't answer that question, I invited him to come here and debate with me, but he is what he is

Does anybody know what this guy is referring to when he talks of conspiracy news and conspiracy elements?
Is he referring to some specific policy I listed?
Does he think that there was never an Operation CK2?
Does he think that there was one but today no more?
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PM
SEC is going after Ethereum

Ethereum Foundation under investigation (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=319541.msg1523518#msg1523518)
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 23, 2024, 04:34:48 PM
SEC lawsuit vs. Kraken

The SEC has sued many companies in the crypto market: Binance, Coinbase, Ripple, LBRY and Kraken. Because LBRY and Kraken did not have the strong economic potential to pursue the lawsuit against the SEC's accusations, they surrendered. LBRY had to pay $111,614 in May 2023[1], and Kraken also had to pay $30M in February 2023[2].

At that time, many crypto community members did not support Kraken for accepting defeat so easily, but we can also sympathize with Kraken because they could not afford to pay $200M for the lawsuit with the SEC like what Ripple did[3]. Everything seemed fine, until we and Kraken realized the SEC's full ambition, the SEC did not want to stop: The SEC alleges Kraken operates as an unregistered securities exchange, broker, dealer, and clearing agency for certain digital assets in Nov 2023. Obviously, despite receiving $30M, the SEC still wants to exploit Kraken's weakness instead of confronting other rich and strong companies.

This time, Kraken did not disappoint us: Kraken filed a motion to dismiss a lawsuit brought against them by the SEC on February 22, 2024.

Kraken contends that the SEC is overstepping its bounds. Kraken maintains that cryptocurrencies are not securities and that staking programs do not meet the criteria established by the Howey Test, a legal framework used to determine whether an investment qualifies as a security. Kraken argues that the SEC is attempting to regulate the crypto industry through enforcement actions rather than through clear and established rules[4].

If Kraken prevails, it will be a blow to the SEC's attempts to exert control over the crypto market. It could also pave the way for clearer regulations specific to cryptocurrencies, fostering a more stable environment for both businesses and investors. So this time the crypto community did not let Kraken have to fight the SEC alone. The Blockchain Association, a crypto industry advocacy group, has joined the fray by filing an amicus brief in support of Kraken. They argue that the SEC is exceeding its authority and hindering innovation in the crypto space[5].

The SEC has helped the crypto community become more connected, and helped us understand that: we cannot defend ourselves against the SEC by surrendering, the only way for us to survive is to fight together against the SEC's unreasonable accusations against the crypto market.

I am not a Kraken user, but after Kraken's courage, I love Kraken a lot more, similar to the love I have for the giant Ripple, and am willing to use Kraken's services. I will follow this SEC-Kraken lawsuit and wish Kraken victory: all for Kraken, all for the crypto future.

Are you siding with Kraken in their dispute with the SEC? (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318736.0)
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on March 23, 2024, 04:46:46 PM
We can begin with this by first starting with countries where crypto regulation is not made easy on the people, these same countries would have something similar to this and are likely not going to take it easy on cryptocurrency users because they feels different way of approach on how the implication of digital currencies affects the economy and encourage for illicit activities, that's why some are being that strict on it, this is not happening yet in my own country, you have the right of choosing the means of payment and currency you desire at your own risk and its not against the law to use bitcoin or any crypto.
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 24, 2024, 02:41:07 PM
We can begin with this by first starting with countries where crypto regulation is not made easy on the people, these same countries would have something similar to this and are likely not going to take it easy on cryptocurrency users because they feels different way of approach on how the implication of digital currencies affects the economy and encourage for illicit activities, that's why some are being that strict on it, this is not happening yet in my own country, you have the right of choosing the means of payment and currency you desire at your own risk and its not against the law to use bitcoin or any crypto.

Yes, authorities have two ways to suppress cryptos: either make it hard to users of make it hard to crypto companies.
In the USA it seems authorities are following the second way.


Just found on X, re SEC vs. Ethereum

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJPQIMtXYAAo2gi?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 26, 2024, 10:38:02 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/bdtzJr3/1.png)


Taken from How does the forum deal with fake news? (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317432.msg1494397#msg1494397)


So here is another guy who enjoys throwing up unsubstantiated allegations and then run away.
Does anybody know what prompted this smearer to think I'm doing politics?
What would be my politics?
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 27, 2024, 10:23:13 AM
DoJ Charges Crypto Exchange KuCoin Over Billions In Criminal Funds

United States Justice Department (DoJ) officials unsealed an indictment against cryptocurrency exchange KuCoin and two of its founders for "conspiring to operate an unlicensed money transmitting business" and violations of the Bank Secrecy Act.

U.S. Attorney Damian Williams said:
“As today’s Indictment alleges, KuCoin and its founders deliberately sought to conceal the fact that substantial numbers of U.S. users were trading on KuCoin’s platform.

Indeed, KuCoin allegedly took advantage of its sizeable U.S. customer base to become one of the world’s largest cryptocurrency derivatives and spot exchanges, with billions of dollars of daily trades and trillions of dollars of annual trade volume.  But financial institutions like KuCoin that take advantage of the unique opportunities available in the United States must also comply with U.S. law to help identify and drive out crime and corrupt financing schemes.  KuCoin allegedly deliberately chose not to do so.

As alleged, in failing to implement even basic anti-money laundering policies, the defendants allowed KuCoin to operate in the shadows of the financial markets and be used as a haven for illicit money laundering, with KuCoin receiving over $5 billion and sending over $4 billion of suspicious and criminal funds.

Crypto exchanges like KuCoin cannot have it both ways.  Today’s Indictment should send a clear message to other crypto exchanges: if you plan to serve U.S. customers, you must follow U.S. law, plain and simple.”

zerohedge.com (https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/haven-illicit-money-laundering-doj-charges-crypto-exchange-kucoin-over-billions-criminal)


On the Tether Gold thread (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315185.msg1484266#msg1484266) someone said Kinesis shouldn't do KYC because crypto people don't like it.
The KuCoin story shows why currently any crypto business in the USA should do KYC...
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 28, 2024, 07:59:27 PM
Kraken: No services to New York and Washington residents

At this time, Kraken does not offer service to residents of:
Washington state (WA)
New York (NY)

While we strive to offer our services to all US residents, the cost of maintaining regulatory compliance in some states can be very high, forcing us to make hard choices about whether cost justifies doing business in the state.

support.kraken.com (https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001368823-Where-can-I-use-Kraken-)

Operation CK2:
Authorities can hinder crypto businesses by increasing costs for complying with regulations
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 30, 2024, 09:33:48 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/khDsZKw/Bildschirmfoto-2024-03-30-um-09-24-21.png)


It’s not just the SEC.
The Federal Reserve leads the Operation Chokepoint 2.0 crackdown on crypto.

Custodia Bank has sued the Fed because it failed to approved Custodia's application for a Fed "master account."

A Fed "master account" is essentially a bank account for banks, allowing banks to use the Fed system for check clearing, wire transfers and ACH payments.
Federal law requires the Fed to grant a master account to any federal or state chartered depository institution.
Custodia is a Wyoming chartered depository institution.

It usually takes 5-7 business days for the Fed to approve a master account.
Custodia waited with no response from the Fed to its master account application for 20 months
So, Custodia was left with no option but to sue the Fed.
The Fed then denied Custodia’s application for a master account 8 months after the lawsuit was filed


Custodia has turned up some fascinating details in the discovery it has conducted against the Kansas City Fed and the main Fed in DC.
A tangled web indeed:
In connection with Custodia's application for a master account, the Kansas City Fed conducted a comprehensive examination of Custodia and submitted its Report of findings to the main Fed in DC.
What happened with that Report tells you all you need to know about how our government is treating crypto.

Capital
After a comprehensive investigation, the Kansas City Fed's Report concluded that Custodia’s capital was “adequate.” 
Without any additional investigation, the Fed in DC changed the Report to say there was a “lack of a robust capital requirement framework” at Custodia.

Risk Management
The Kansas City Fed concluded that Custodia had “strong risk management” practices.
The Fed in DC changed the Report to say there were “significant risk management gaps.”

Liquidity
The Kansas City Fed concluded that “liquidity risk was relatively low” at Custodia. 
This makes sense because, unlike banks that use a "fractional reserve" business model to lend out deposits, Custodia uses a "fully reserved" model--meaning it retains liquid reserves covering over 100% of the deposits it takes in.
Notwithstanding its hyper-conservative liquidity model, the Fed in DC changed the Report to say there were “insufficient liquidity risk management processes” at Custodia.

Management Experience
The Kansas City Fed concluded that the experience of Custodia's management team was “impressive” and “extensive.”   
The Fed in DC changed the Report to say there was a “lack of collective depth of relevant banking experience” at Custodia.


The Report, “revised” by the Fed in DC to say the opposite of what the Kansas City Fed had concluded, was used as the basis for denying Custodia's application for a master account.

It is obvious from the documents uncovered in discovery that the process was rigged because the Fed objected to Custodia’s plan to provide banking and digital asset services to individuals and businesses involved in crypto.

Fighting the Fed is the quintessential David v. Goliath battle.

Fortunately, Caitlyn Long, the CEO of Custodia, is a fighter. 
But Caitlin is not just fighting for Custodia, she is fighting for all of crypto and the principle of financial freedom.

https://twitter.com/MetaLawMan/status/1752722655881441651
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on March 30, 2024, 09:54:53 AM
How does the forum deal with fake news? (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317432.msg1519503#msg1519503)

Hello ignorant ******s
I hope you are following this thread and learning something




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Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: bitmover on March 30, 2024, 11:41:05 AM
How does the forum deal with fake news? (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317432.msg1519503#msg1519503)


I don't get why I was quoted?

Do you have reference links to that bank situation in USA? Like big jornal?
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on April 11, 2024, 06:27:46 PM
This woman is fighting vs the US gov in order to offer US crypto fintech banking services
The whole crypto community around the world should revere here

She's a hero


(https://i.ibb.co/VvKhTKp/1.png)

Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on April 14, 2024, 09:44:05 AM
Caitling Long - CEO of Custodia Bank - talking about Operation CP2

US gov debanking not only crypto but all fintech



(https://i.ibb.co/FKL5456/2.png)







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Don Pedro Dinero

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Zed0X

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Hello trolls
instead of group-defecating on other users
start reading around and inform yourselves
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on April 19, 2024, 12:33:09 PM
The feds are trying to stifle Bitcoin and crypto with draconian new regulations


In response to the Treasury Department’s requests, a new bill called the ENFORCE Act is being floated to expand existing money laundering rules into the crypto sector even more harshly than it is applied to traditional fiat currencies.

It would also require filing Suspicious Activity Reports with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network for any “suspicious transaction that it believes is relevant to the possible violation of any law or regulation,” beginning at $2,000.
This overly broad definition extends to any crypto transactions that “serve no business or apparent lawful purpose” as determined by any crypto exchange, and they would be legally required to withhold information of this report from the customer.

While this bill is much less harsh than similar proposals from anti-crypto firebrand Sen. Elizabeth Warren, it would provide stricter rules and procedures for crypto companies than the traditional banking sector.
For the average American consumer and user of cryptocurrencies on custodial services, that means there would be more scrutiny and surveillance at a smaller threshold on Coinbase than Bank of America.

Rather than embracing the permissionless innovation that Bitcoin and its cryptocurrency offspring provide, these rules would force yet more financial surveillance and regulatory compliance on the next iteration of digital money, artificially choking the growth of this industry.

It would also cause even more Americans to be caught up in the dragnet of “de-banking” for crypto, as institutions would rather cut off customers’ access to their services rather than comply with the unreasonable requirement of Suspicious Activity Reports for transactions above a small threshold, as we already see in the traditional banking system.

Because these reports have no inherent justification or process many bank customers have had their accounts closed or suspended without due process. Many are likely to be minorities, the underbanked, and politically active or religious groups.


theblaze.com (https://www.theblaze.com/return/the-feds-are-trying-to-stifle-bitcoin-and-crypto-with-draconian-new-regulations?source=pmbug.com)





How does the forum deal with fake news? (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317432.msg1519503#top)

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Zed0X

MrSpasybo

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admin

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Hello ignorants
I know it's boring reading articles
next time inform yourself before group-defecating on other users
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on May 06, 2024, 08:15:31 PM
Cryptos Dump After Robinhood Reveals SEC Wells Notice Related To Its Crypto Listings

"The so-called Wells notice - which gives a company time to rebut the agency’s allegations and doesn’t necessarily indicate an enforcement action will follow - from the SEC concerns Robinhood Crypto and its cryptocurrency listings, custody of cryptocurrencies and platform operations.

Of course, anyone with a room-temperature IQ would have been able to anticipate this turn, which comes about a year after the SEC served Coinbase with an identical Wells Notice, and which comes just days before the SEC has to rule on whether to greenlight an Ethereum ETF, something which Liz Warren's pocket fascist enforcer, Gary Gensler, has sworn he will not allow simply because it goes against the interests of Warren's biggest backers.

zerohedge.com (https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/cryptos-dump-after-robinhood-reveals-sec-wells-notice-related-related-its-crypto-listings?)
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: pmbug on May 07, 2024, 09:36:54 PM
... Do you have reference links to that bank situation in USA? Like big jornal?

Jan 27, 2023 (Fortune Magazine via Yahoo! News):
https*//finance.yahoo.com/news/custodia-crypto-bank-wyoming-denied-223741850.html

More recent news (March 30, 2024):
https*//coingape.com/us-senator-lummis-opposes-court-verdict-in-custodia-vs-fed-case/

Today:
https*//www.americanbanker.com/podcast/custodia-ceo-caitlin-long-on-master-accounts-her-fight-with-the-fed

Sorry - I'm not allowed to post live links
Title: Re: Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (Poll)
Post by: Peter90 on May 09, 2024, 12:24:55 AM
PMbug
in the House


:D :D :D





Hello everybody
PMbug is the Admin of this gold forum
https://www.pmbug.com/forums/


I quoted him in this thread as he lives in the USA, so he should know better than us what's going on over there

Do you fear an "Operation Choke Point 2.0" in your country? (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1496128#msg1496128)