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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2024, 05:58:05 PM »
Yes, workers are in danger because of the coming of Artificial Intelligence, they are all in trauma because they think it will affect there job and will not be able to earn a living without their job but I disagree with that, if you should take a look at Artificial Intelligence (A.I)” did not created itself but rather it was programmed by human, and cannot work without human beings indulgence in it, but rather will just serve as a means of fastening of work and easy. A work that can take a human for about three days an Artificial Intelligence can finish it in just some hours or even minute without being tired like human beings those. Though it is a good thing because now people can also work from there houses without physically present in their offices, example of it is during the COVID-19 pandemic when people are being locked down in there houses, some businesses where totally shot down, while order businesses are there growing and earning, and when you take a look at it then those ones that have been shot down are the one that depends on human physical ability to work and the ones that grows are the ones that embrace the coming of Artificial Intelligence and put it in there day to day Activities. So for me it’s not Danger but rather a means to grow the Economy and also to serve as a means of Assistance to the human on their daily Activities.
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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2024, 02:28:57 PM »
Sam Altman says that artificial intelligence will take away 40% of workers' jobs in the future, so it is understood that artificial intelligence will work as a substitute for workers in the future.  If artificial intelligence is used as a substitute for workers, the unemployment rate will surely increase, and the unemployment rate will increase and the unique collateral problems will be created in the world.

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2024, 02:35:16 PM »
Yes, workers are in danger because of the coming of Artificial Intelligence

Dont be silly. Only few people are in danger of loosing jobs because of AI. AI is still isnt as perfect as humans, they are still far from generating perfect solution. Who are endangered of getting fired ? IT guys? They must understood that progress does not stand still and the sector they work in is one of the fastest to develop. If they thought that they will learn few things and will work on one job till retirement, then this is their problems. Quite strange that people are afraid of AI that it will replace them, but they arent afraid that they get old and younger generation replace them.
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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2024, 03:35:34 PM »
Yes, workers are in danger because of the coming of Artificial Intelligence

Dont be silly. Only few people are in danger of loosing jobs because of AI. AI is still isnt as perfect as humans, they are still far from generating perfect solution. Who are endangered of getting fired ? IT guys? They must understood that progress does not stand still and the sector they work in is one of the fastest to develop. If they thought that they will learn few things and will work on one job till retirement, then this is their problems. Quite strange that people are afraid of AI that it will replace them, but they arent afraid that they get old and younger generation replace them.
Yes it is also true that artificial intelligence can do the work that humans can do but it will be very difficult.  But there are some human tasks that artificial intelligence cannot do.  In this case, no matter how much artificial intelligence takes the place of humans, a hundred percent cannot do anything without humans.

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2024, 05:00:17 PM »
True. Powers and possibilities of current AI is very limited. Who can be endangered because of it? Only IT guys, freelancers, designers. Those who were not very creative and did basic stuff, these people would be replaced by AI. But those who are really professionals and skilled should not worry much. There are still to many professions where humans is the only one who could do the tasks. No script can replace so called blue collars or those who "work on the field".

I really dont understand why people create so much hype about danger of AI and jobs. Like they planned to work on one job, from time they graduated from university till retirement, without changing anything? If someone got replaced by AI then life does not stop, go and find another job.
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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2024, 01:39:45 PM »
AI cannot take over human labour. AI is already programed and human knowledge is unlimited so to what extent AI becomes a threat to human labour. If a question is asked AI gives the same answer while human gives different answers. And the only thing I can say that AI helps human is, it makes things easy to search. The believe of the new generational approach and ideology, human labour can not be eliminated in any technology.
The only thing AI technology takes an advantage over human labour is because of the fact that it is an accurate answer for avoiding human errors. Undoubtedly a threat to unemployment but it makes the operation fast and accurate. Technology is advancing so let us embrace it with caution. Humans will always find solutions to every problem so for me unemployment issue might be solved in the future if we really are into a fully AI world.

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2024, 11:38:25 AM »
The old tech always gets obsolete. Same is the case with people. The one who don't upgrade themselves to the new techs are going to get obsoleted. AI is just doing it at a very high pace. So to remain in the trend and to remain part of the latest AI environment, all the jobs and people needs to embrace AI and integrate it into their work. There is no other way.

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2024, 12:54:20 PM »
I believe that humans shouldn't be concerned about being replaced by AI in their jobs. AI was created to assist humans and is programmed to replicate human abilities. However, AI's abilities are limited to the information programmed into them. Unlike humans, we have no limits to our learning and continuously progress over time.
that's the reason why humans must always learn and must accept technological progress, but no matter how perfect an AI program is, it definitely has its shortcomings, so we don't need to be afraid of AI, but
make it a motivation to be better than AI and cannot be replaced by AI

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2024, 02:15:20 PM »
I believe that humans shouldn't be concerned about being replaced by AI in their jobs. AI was created to assist humans and is programmed to replicate human abilities. However, AI's abilities are limited to the information programmed into them. Unlike humans, we have no limits to our learning and continuously progress over time.
that's the reason why humans must always learn and must accept technological progress, but no matter how perfect an AI program is, it definitely has its shortcomings, so we don't need to be afraid of AI, but
make it a motivation to be better than AI and cannot be replaced by AI
Of course as we all know that AI needs humans for upgrades and improvements while humans has it through the evolution of our instincts. We humans created AI therefore we are in control of it. My questions are, do we really think this is the end of human participation especially in the manpower industry? Are we ready to embrace this reality? Do you think you are more capable than AI in a specific field or job?

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2024, 10:32:18 PM »
AI cannot take over human labour. AI is already programed and human knowledge is unlimited so to what extent AI becomes a threat to human labour. If a question is asked AI gives the same answer while human gives different answers. And the only thing I can say that AI helps human is, it makes things easy to search. The believe of the new generational approach and ideology, human labour can not be eliminated in any technology.
The only thing AI technology takes an advantage over human labour is because of the fact that it is an accurate answer for avoiding human errors. Undoubtedly a threat to unemployment but it makes the operation fast and accurate. Technology is advancing so let us embrace it with caution. Humans will always find solutions to every problem so for me unemployment issue might be solved in the future if we really are into a fully AI world.

I have to disappoint you a little :)
What they now pass off to us as AI is not AI. This is a large language model with a gigantic set of data and parameters. Those. This is not a THINKING system, but simply one that can do some actions with data. And even “creativity” like drawing pictures is not intelligence, it is a set of data, systematized and presented in some form. Yes, this system allows you to find and provide the necessary information much faster. Yes, this model’s “stock of knowledge” is greater than that of any person. But.. this data is a huge set of varied information, including INCORRECT...

Believe me, as a person who has worked with many AI systems. They give errors regularly, the variability of the answer depends on different settings, and a repeated answer can be very different from the previous one to the same question :)

A small picture about “intelligence” - do you think it will replace humans?  ;D


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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2024, 11:15:27 PM »
AI cannot take over human labour. AI is already programed and human knowledge is unlimited so to what extent AI becomes a threat to human labour. If a question is asked AI gives the same answer while human gives different answers. And the only thing I can say that AI helps human is, it makes things easy to search. The believe of the new generational approach and ideology, human labour can not be eliminated in any technology.
The only thing AI technology takes an advantage over human labour is because of the fact that it is an accurate answer for avoiding human errors. Undoubtedly a threat to unemployment but it makes the operation fast and accurate. Technology is advancing so let us embrace it with caution. Humans will always find solutions to every problem so for me unemployment issue might be solved in the future if we really are into a fully AI world.
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Exactly, as I said AI cannot takeover human activities because all those pictures people are even producing from AI and AI photo labs are just artificial (not real but computer design). But human can give the real image of the object or the person. And if it is an article human can write it in different ways but AI only give one answer as I said and other have said it too. Not that AI is bad but the way people using using it and appraisal to it is too much. It do as if AI is more intelligent than hum when it is programed by the same human.

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2024, 09:26:31 AM »
AI cannot take over human labour. AI is already programed and human knowledge is unlimited so to what extent AI becomes a threat to human labour. If a question is asked AI gives the same answer while human gives different answers. And the only thing I can say that AI helps human is, it makes things easy to search. The believe of the new generational approach and ideology, human labour can not be eliminated in any technology.
The only thing AI technology takes an advantage over human labour is because of the fact that it is an accurate answer for avoiding human errors. Undoubtedly a threat to unemployment but it makes the operation fast and accurate. Technology is advancing so let us embrace it with caution. Humans will always find solutions to every problem so for me unemployment issue might be solved in the future if we really are into a fully AI world.
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Exactly, as I said AI cannot takeover human activities because all those pictures people are even producing from AI and AI photo labs are just artificial (not real but computer design). But human can give the real image of the object or the person. And if it is an article human can write it in different ways but AI only give one answer as I said and other have said it too. Not that AI is bad but the way people using using it and appraisal to it is too much. It do as if AI is more intelligent than hum when it is programed by the same human.


That's what I'm getting at:
- today's AI systems cannot fully replace humans. I put the abbreviation AI in quotes for a reason :)
- What can be replaced is systematized labor. From writing banal descriptions and articles to some "salmon in the river". Yes, I know that now systems trained by neural networks can create absolutely realistic pictures, and even "make movies". But ask a question - do you want to see yourself and your family in "synthetic photos" where you will only resemble yourself?
- Today's "AI" systems can REDUCE many processes. For example, modeling of chemical reactions, or calculation of properties of new (physically not created materials), but it will not replace real chemists and engineers.

As a bottom line. I've said before and will continue to say at this point - what we now consider AI is somewhat different. Yes, it is a GREAT aid to humanity, but it is not a replacement for humanity. Who is afraid of a forklift taking his job as a loader - learn new fields, yes, progress does not stand still.

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2024, 02:55:23 PM »
We cannot take away the human factor in some jobs, for instance the medical profession, an AI cannot operate on a patient. Also, we cannot lie that AI is not a threat to our jobs. The other day, I met a friend who's a graphic designer, and during our conversation he was complaining bitterly of not getting job offers the way he used to because of AI. According to him, he said people now resort to AI to get their designs done because it's faster and cheaper. Accounting, cleaning, marketing jobs and many more are under threat. With the rapid rise and development of the technology, most of our jobs will be replaced very soon by AI.

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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2024, 04:17:46 PM »
We cannot take away the human factor in some jobs, for instance the medical profession, an AI cannot operate on a patient. Also, we cannot lie that AI is not a threat to our jobs. The other day, I met a friend who's a graphic designer, and during our conversation he was complaining bitterly of not getting job offers the way he used to because of AI. According to him, he said people now resort to AI to get their designs done because it's faster and cheaper. Accounting, cleaning, marketing jobs and many more are under threat. With the rapid rise and development of the technology, most of our jobs will be replaced very soon by AI.

AI dont have hands, so there will always be work for humans. Current generations problem is that they are very relaxed. They think that they have found a job, and they will keep it and work in one company, on one position until retirement. If we look at persons "working list" 30-50 years ago, then a person during life has changed 10-20 different job. While nowadays people are used to work 5-30 years on same position in same company. Progress is inevitable. People must understand that. People must also understand, that when some jobs are replaced (with AI in our case), new and other jobs appear.

Ask people whos jobs were doing manual labor, and later they were replaced by machines. They have found new jobs. So why "Accounting, cleaning, marketing jobs, designers and  IP sector" now complain? Human labor was once replaced by machines already > new jobs appeared. Now its the second wave, new jobs are going to appear to.
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Re: Workers are in danger because of AI?
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2024, 08:41:12 PM »
True. Powers and possibilities of current AI is very limited. Who can be endangered because of it? Only IT guys, freelancers, designers. Those who were not very creative and did basic stuff, these people would be replaced by AI. But those who are really professionals and skilled should not worry much. There are still to many professions where humans is the only one who could do the tasks. No script can replace so called blue collars or those who "work on the field".

I really dont understand why people create so much hype about danger of AI and jobs. Like they planned to work on one job, from time they graduated from university till retirement, without changing anything? If someone got replaced by AI then life does not stop, go and find another job.

A very controversial thought :)

I am of a different opinion:

1. As I said before - AI does not exist at the moment.
At the moment there is a problem of substituting the value of neural networks and machine learning for AI. This is ERROR !
And this model can replace only those whose work does not require high specialization and whose work product is not unique or extraordinary. And if we return to the topic of programmers - this is definitely not about programmers. I'm not talking about "anicists", I'm talking about programmers. Why ? To explain very simply - the answers generated by the Big Language Model are a "squeeze" of available materials written by programmers of different level and quality ! Accordingly, the answer, or "work", in this case will be a mixture of all other answers, and as we understand - it will be far from ideal solution ! also in many other directions.

2. AI (when it appears) can replace artists, poets, composers, designers, constructors, philosophers, teachers, announcers, .... and similar professions, where there is no "physical" participation in the work process, or where there is a demand for extraordinary, "soulful" solutions.

3. And the stage of humanity's decline will be the appearance of AI, which will have self-consciousness!  Well, maybe someone will be lucky and one of us will become a pet. like a hamster, in a family of Quantum Individuals :))

 

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