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Title: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: MrSpasybo on March 09, 2021, 11:14:28 AM
We know that in the crypto world, not every coin or token has a limited total supply.
DOGE & ETH are 2 of them. If the value of DOGE is said to be low-capped by unlimited total supply, then ETH is hailed and is the largest altcoin in the entire market. Why?

(https://i.imgur.com/H4eU4e0.jpg)

Advantages of unlimited total supply:
+Limiting the token price being pushed too high, which make ETH be not suitable to be used in payment;
+The essence is very similar to fiat, maintaining the network's rewards & ensuring the safety of Ethereum blockchain.

Disadvantages of unlimited total supply: reduced scarcity, high inflation rate, limited token appreciation. This is the reason many people dislike Ethereum.

However, with EIP-2878 & especially EIP-1559 coming in July this year after London hardfork, a portion of the ETH fee will be burned, about 1 million ETH per year, will contribute to reducing supply. At the same time a large amount of ETH is in the staking pool also reduces the available supply on the market, increasing the scarcity. So the price of ETH will be guaranteed. But these EIPs are also experiencing resistance from miners as their income is affected. The Ethereum blockchain also faces a hard fork if people are unable to reach consensus.

Having unlimited total supply also helps ETH prevent in the future people will just accumulate ETH instead of using it, thus ETH's tokenomics won't collapse.

What do you think about this? Do you like the unlimited total supply of ETH? And how do you think it will affect to ETH price in the future?
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Freemind on March 09, 2021, 11:25:46 AM
For me, a coin/token with an unlimited total supply is a disadvantage. Not only do we have to fight volatility, we also have to fight inflation, and those are two very negative points in cryptocurrencies. I can understand that there are very high supplies, with billions of tokens, they can always be burned, also those with an unlimited supply can be burned, but from the beginning, I don't like the feeling they give. Also, now Ethereum has to fight its high transaction fees, if we put it all together it seems crazy to me.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: MrSpasybo on March 13, 2021, 04:36:13 PM
For me, a coin/token with an unlimited total supply is a disadvantage. Not only do we have to fight volatility, we also have to fight inflation, and those are two very negative points in cryptocurrencies. I can understand that there are very high supplies, with billions of tokens, they can always be burned, also those with an unlimited supply can be burned, but from the beginning, I don't like the feeling they give. Also, now Ethereum has to fight its high transaction fees, if we put it all together it seems crazy to me.
I think when Vitalik Buterin created ETH, he thought of the big problem, that it would be terrible if the number of coin/token was not enough for the ownership and use of everyone in the community. At that time, the token price will increase very high, holders will continue to hold their coin/token and the liquidity of tokenomics will be broken. That will kill the coin/token.
The problem of infinite supply: infinite supply in an infinite time, but at a given time, good control of the new supply & the rate of burning tokens will help token price to be supported.
Transaction cost issue: Layer-2 solutions are being implemented, I believe it will increase the speed of Ethereum to 100x, i.e. 1500 tps.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Freemind on March 13, 2021, 04:54:57 PM
For me, a coin/token with an unlimited total supply is a disadvantage. Not only do we have to fight volatility, we also have to fight inflation, and those are two very negative points in cryptocurrencies. I can understand that there are very high supplies, with billions of tokens, they can always be burned, also those with an unlimited supply can be burned, but from the beginning, I don't like the feeling they give. Also, now Ethereum has to fight its high transaction fees, if we put it all together it seems crazy to me.
I think when Vitalik Buterin created ETH, he thought of the big problem, that it would be terrible if the number of coin/token was not enough for the ownership and use of everyone in the community. At that time, the token price will increase very high, holders will continue to hold their coin/token and the liquidity of tokenomics will be broken. That will kill the coin/token.
The problem of infinite supply: infinite supply in an infinite time, but at a given time, good control of the new supply & the rate of burning tokens will help token price to be supported.
Transaction cost issue: Layer-2 solutions are being implemented, I believe it will increase the speed of Ethereum to 100x, i.e. 1500 tps.

I think that at this moment Ethereum should not only face its infinite supply, Ethereum also has to deal with the problem of high transaction fees, which can continue to grow as the demand for Ethereum grows, and also with the "exit" of projects and users to other cheaper and faster chains. I think those are some of the problems Ethereum should fix as quickly as possible to prevent it from getting worse.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: sampoerna on March 13, 2021, 11:48:19 PM
Fortunately Ethereum is one of Altcoins who are very trusted as the best Altcoin and Worthy. Therefore, the absence of supply does not make the altcoin price this one becomes ash. Here is about value, not just supply. But if the supply is little, it will be even higher. ...
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: NANCY on March 18, 2021, 04:09:13 PM
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Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: IyemRoker on March 20, 2021, 12:35:18 PM
Among all the altcoisn, there must be a lot that creates coins, there is a limited supply and that maybe they want the price of the coin to be expensive.
But Ethereum has its own characteristics with an unlimited supply of coins so it will be unique.
Ethereum no longer needs to change to what people want but people are looking for Ethereum even though the coal supply is unlimited.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: atjiat on March 20, 2021, 05:30:52 PM
of course, I would very much like Ethereum to have a specific number of coins, like bitcoins. but as of today, the Ethereum team is solving this problem by burning transaction fees. according to some reports, there will be slightly more Ethereum lit than miners will mine. Thus, this situation will benefit Ethereum and constantly reduce its supply in the market.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Freemind on March 20, 2021, 07:43:27 PM
The problems of high transaction fees are created by the high demand for Ethereum. Could those problems be solved if Ethereum had a limited total supply?. I've been asking myself that question for several days, but I can't find an answer. What I am clear about is that Ethereum should have a limited total supply, I don't see any sense or need.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: pealr12 on March 20, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
It would have been a disadvantage to eth but I think that's already too late now,  with an infinity supply eth still managed to go this high which bring me back to the question "is eth overpriced? Many coins with less supply are not finding it easy to move in price much as very limited supply coins, but surprisingly eth with its humongous supply is very high in price, how about that?
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: eldial on March 29, 2021, 12:22:26 PM
Of course for me unlimited total supply of ethereum will so good for us because  it will be the one of the bounty  trusting of ethereum to exchange if there is a chance to make many tokens get in the project and as soon as possible it easy to convert into and ethereum because of huge supply in the market.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Zed0X on March 31, 2021, 08:07:09 AM
~ then ETH is hailed and is the largest altcoin in the entire market. Why?
Smart contracts and high fees interacting with them. People are forced to buy more ETH to use any Ethereum based products successfully.

Advantages of unlimited total supply:
+Limiting the token price being pushed too high, which make ETH be not suitable to be used in payment;
Perhaps you mean suitable? I don't know how being not suitable for payment is an advantage. That would also compliment the not being pushed too high.

The problems of high transaction fees are created by the high demand for Ethereum. Could those problems be solved if Ethereum had a limited total supply?. I've been asking myself that question for several days, but I can't find an answer. What I am clear about is that Ethereum should have a limited total supply, I don't see any sense or need.
You are connecting the demand to buy ETH as an investment asset (HODL) because of limited supply with the demand in using ETH as gas fees (SPEND) to interact with smart contracts. Those two are different.

It would have been a disadvantage to eth but I think that's already too late now,  with an infinity supply eth still managed to go this high which bring me back to the question "is eth overpriced? Many coins with less supply are not finding it easy to move in price much as very limited supply coins, but surprisingly eth with its humongous supply is very high in price, how about that?
Like I said above, it's the smart contracts and high fees that pushed ETH's price. 
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: AlviNess on March 31, 2021, 09:41:50 PM
We know that in the crypto world, not every coin or token has a limited total supply.
DOGE & ETH are 2 of them. If the value of DOGE is said to be low-capped by unlimited total supply, then ETH is hailed and is the largest altcoin in the entire market. Why?

(https://i.imgur.com/H4eU4e0.jpg)

Advantages of unlimited total supply:
+Limiting the token price being pushed too high, which make ETH be not suitable to be used in payment;
+The essence is very similar to fiat, maintaining the network's rewards & ensuring the safety of Ethereum blockchain.

Disadvantages of unlimited total supply: reduced scarcity, high inflation rate, limited token appreciation. This is the reason many people dislike Ethereum.

However, with EIP-2878 & especially EIP-1559 coming in July this year after London hardfork, a portion of the ETH fee will be burned, about 1 million ETH per year, will contribute to reducing supply. At the same time a large amount of ETH is in the staking pool also reduces the available supply on the market, increasing the scarcity. So the price of ETH will be guaranteed. But these EIPs are also experiencing resistance from miners as their income is affected. The Ethereum blockchain also faces a hard fork if people are unable to reach consensus.

Having unlimited total supply also helps ETH prevent in the future people will just accumulate ETH instead of using it, thus ETH's tokenomics won't collapse.

What do you think about this? Do you like the unlimited total supply of ETH? And how do you think it will affect to ETH price in the future?
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Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Prime on March 31, 2021, 11:58:00 PM
I don't think the unlimited supply is an advantage. It is bad news for the holders because will be too many coins on the market. I really don't expect to see the coin with an unlimited supply. I guess what you saw, it is just a bug on the site. How can there is no limit of the supply, it is impossible.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Dark Knight on April 05, 2021, 06:04:37 AM
You have created a very informative post Everything has its ups and downs Etherium is now a very popular coin in the cryptocurrency world.Investors around the world The eyes are now on Ethereum and Bitcoin.The downside of Etherium is the extra transaction fees.Now this transaction fee has increased a lot.Everyone is suffering from the problem.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: jhm on April 05, 2021, 11:06:10 AM
If Ethereum had a finite supply, I'd be in favour of that. However, the problems being solved under Ethereum and projects being built upon it, I can look over most disadvantages, including an unlimited supply
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: robert20 on April 05, 2021, 02:21:53 PM
Everything on earth has its own disadvantages. We cannot make anything that doesnt have any disadvantage.
The unlimited supply of ethereum is a good thing . It will help us to maintain a suitable pice for everyone who wants to buy eth. It will not go top high for people to buy.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: kiwa on April 06, 2021, 08:58:29 PM
if unlimited supply is not good i think disadvantages
because is easy to down price until cheap price
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: masudginanjar on April 09, 2021, 02:59:13 PM
If Ethereum has an unlimited supply of coins then it is very likely that the price will not increase as fast or maybe slower than a limited coin.
Now we can see that BNB is rapidly increasing and is even close to the price of Ethereum, only 5x difference.
The result of this is because BNB has a limited supply of coins and Ethereum does not have a limited supply of coins.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Password on April 11, 2021, 05:39:17 AM
If Etherium is in a limited and unlimited position, then its price is not likely to rise very fast and probably slower than the limited currency. Now we can see that the price of BNB currency is going to increase much faster than Etherium. The price of BNB currency is 4-5x different than the price of Etherium. So I think BNB does not have a limited supply of coins and Ethereum has a limited supply of coins.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Carbitcoin on April 11, 2021, 06:30:58 PM
As far as I know, after the last phase of the Ethereum 2.0 update, when switching to the pos consensus algorithm, a significant part of the transaction fees on the Ethereum network will be ignited. thus, Ethereum will have the status of a deflationary asset, despite its unlimited supply. I have repeatedly come across information that the shrinkage of Ethereum will be much more than miners will mine.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: MrSpasybo on April 12, 2021, 12:41:17 AM
As far as I know, after the last phase of the Ethereum 2.0 update, when switching to the pos consensus algorithm, a significant part of the transaction fees on the Ethereum network will be ignited. thus, Ethereum will have the status of a deflationary asset, despite its unlimited supply. I have repeatedly come across information that the shrinkage of Ethereum will be much more than miners will mine.
As expected, EIP-1559 will cause about 1M ETH to be burned per year, less than the amount of new ETH mined from block reward. So it can be assumed that deflation will not take place. However, the supply of ETH will increase slowly, while the increased demand for ETH thanks to the advantages of ETH.20 will give the price of ETH an incentive to increase.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Falcon on April 13, 2021, 11:15:23 AM
I think the unlimited supply will be compromised in the future as the Ethereum will burn some. Even though the supply is unlimited the current circulating is limited. I think the current circulating supply is the factor here and the true use case of Ethereum all over crypto blockchain.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Tunir Baap on April 19, 2021, 01:01:40 AM
A coin or a platform cannot have all the good aspects. There are also some bad aspects. But I think the good side is much more than the bad side of Ethereum Which you have highlighted through this post. Thank you brother for sharing such a beautiful post with all of us.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Freemind on April 19, 2021, 02:30:34 PM
@Tunir Baap it is true that not all platforms or projects can be perfect since some users will like some things and others will not, but I think that when we talk about crypto, a total supply is always positive for the future of that project, that always gives more value to the coin or token. And that can always be implemented via hard forks, but I don't know if the Ethereum developers plan to do something like that in the future.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: jonathancool220 on May 03, 2021, 06:49:28 AM
This limited supply makes it easy for Miners to seek more profit, but on the other hand, cryptocurrency traders are very much anticipating the unlimited supply of coins.
I also feel afraid of Dump coins just like that if the owners of Ethereum and DOGE who sell them carelessly.
But I believe all Ethereum and DOGE Holders will not sell them cheaply.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Honor20 on May 09, 2021, 07:18:16 AM
Also have to fight inflation, and those are two very negative points in cryptocurrencies. I can understand that there are very high supplies, with billions of tokens, they can always be burned, also those with an unlimited supply can be burned Ethereum to have a specific number of coins, like bitcoins. but as of today, the Ethereum team is solving this problem by burning transaction fees. according to some reports, there will be slightly more Ethereum lit than miners will mine
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: tervel on May 10, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
Having unlimited total supply helps ETH prevent in the future people will just accumulate ETH(unlike BTC) instead of using it, thus ETH's tokenomics won't collapse.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Freemind on May 10, 2021, 12:55:13 PM
Having unlimited total supply helps ETH prevent in the future people will just accumulate ETH(unlike BTC) instead of using it, thus ETH's tokenomics won't collapse.

Reading your words I think it's the opposite. Knowing that Ethereum has an unlimited total supply, people will be able to accumulate more coins and spend less, as the total supply is unlimited, but if the total supply were limited, people could accumulate less and spend more, since there would be a limit of coins, which would make those coins move more.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Dora Walletinvestor on May 10, 2021, 02:04:44 PM
I understand the need and demand for coins with unlimited supplies. But I am personally more in favour of limited supply coins regarding the concept. At the end of the day though, we have to look at other features of a coin too when we decide whether it's a worthy investment, and Ethereum seems to have a bright future.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Lukasz on May 10, 2021, 08:33:40 PM
For many currencies this is one of the mentioned selling advantages of having a fixed supply although nature of eth allows it to have unlimited supply and does not in practice facilitate "printing " of coins beyond the mining reward
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Review Master on May 10, 2021, 09:19:28 PM
Looks like, everyone's looking at the unlimited supply, but ignoring the main key point of burn machanism which will implemented into the transection system after completing the London hardfork in July of this year. After that, more eth will be burned which is great for it. Lets just wait for the finalization of London hardfork.  8)
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Freemind on May 11, 2021, 11:41:15 AM
Looks like, everyone's looking at the unlimited supply, but ignoring the main key point of burn machanism which will implemented into the transection system after completing the London hardfork in July of this year. After that, more eth will be burned which is great for it. Lets just wait for the finalization of London hardfork.  8)

They have finally implemented the mechanism to burn in each transaction?. The last time I read about "London" they did not make it clear if they were finally going to implement it or not, but it seems to me good news to know that one way or another they are going to do something (we will see if it will be effective or not) so that inflation don't kill the project over time.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: de_prof on May 26, 2021, 07:54:28 AM
For me, a coin/token with an unlimited total supply is a disadvantage. Not only do we have to fight volatility, we also have to fight inflation, and those are two very negative points in cryptocurrencies. I can understand that there are very high supplies, with billions of tokens, they can always be burned, also those with an unlimited supply can be burned, but from the beginning, I don't like the feeling they give. Also, now Ethereum has to fight its high transaction fees, if we put it all together it seems crazy to me.

Yes, I  agree with you, It will affect to inflation and cannot be controlled.
Limited total supply is better for price.
They can burn the supply to improve their price.
As long as many coins have burned, and the price will go up.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Muneeb22 on May 26, 2021, 12:29:28 PM
Unlimited supply is not the good advantage for us becasue in the market f the supply is unlimited then the coin value go down and this is not good for the investor becasue the coin owner can create more coin if the supply is finished.
Title: Re: Unlimited total supply of ETH: advantages or disadvantages?
Post by: Bitstar_coin on May 26, 2021, 05:49:35 PM
Before I was skeptic about the eth unlimited supply and always believe it will somehow hinder the growth of eth price but so far eth has proven me wrong with this price movement since the beginning of this year, eth has shown that it is indeed the king of alts.