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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum Court => Forum related => Bounty Cheaters & Duplicate Accounts Accusations => Topic started by: fadl4 on June 20, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
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I see username Papa Bear with rank Jr. member join bounty Non Fungible Defi (NFD), Papa Bear get Additional Membergroups: Potential Hero. But Papa Bear register bounty Non Fungible Defi (NFD) with rank hero member and accepted.
Link Bounty : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=216061.0
Link profile Papa Bear : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=80913
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Link proof delete, but alltalk quote proof Papa Bear
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=216061.msg1193060#msg1193060
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In spreadsheet papa Bear accepted with rank Hero Member
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w9Ufh6h3YPD1TS6IzIndea5D4jVCObUc3nx10VcgqhI/edit#gid=870330588
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reference :
1. http://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=183665.0
2. http://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=8508.0
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let's wait for our judges to look this case
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Yes, I have warned Papa Bear on the bounty thread and sent a message to the bounty manager. But no response both from Papa bear and Small Rabbit.
By the way, I am surprised Papa Bear's Proof of Registration was deleted. It mustn't be deleted, it is the evidence for this case. Who deleted the Proof of Registration?
Can you investigate it, @hair?
You should know it because you are GM and Decentralized team as well.
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Isn't the Bounty Manager up to date with the extra badge on the Altcoinstalks forum ?
Does the Bounty Manager not know the function of "Potential Hero" and rank "Hero" ?
This should be an education for all Bounty Managers so that on other occasions they can be wiser in accepting the existing rules.
-This thread proves that Junior Members turn into Heroes.
-This thread is monitored by Modz, Senator, GM and Vice President and President.
-This thread must have the best solution because if it doesn't have a solution then there will be disputes in the next campaign.
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we (alltalk and me) looked at this case, and Papa Bear has now SCAM badge.
I will also contact the GM who deleted Papa Bear's Proof of Registration for more information. I know who did it.
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Dear Admin, President, VP, Judges, all GMs and mods,
I ask for justice, because as an altcoinstalks member I feel that one of the GM has treated me unfairly. (malam90)
When I joined the NFD paid BTC bounty, my Hero rank was rejected while the potential hero rank was accepted. And I asked BM smallrabbit to recheck that the potential hero is not a forum rank but an additional membership, GM Malam90 defended papa bear and debated my argument.
Even though the general rules have included forum rank, not honour rank.
You can check my screen shoot from small rabbit tele group, here.
And when Alltalk, one of the judges warned that papa bear cheated by quoting the POA, apparently after that GM deleted the POA.
He said papa bear requested to delete the POA.
why ??
doesn't he read or not see ?
All talk has warned papa bear at bounty thread about scam.
Is this a conspiracy to eliminate the evidence ?
Link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=216061.msg1193060#msg1193060
Why ? shouldn't GM do it, if there is a request from the member, GM Malam90 should ask permission to bounty mod, mnixxo.
Sounds weird....it's really strange.
What's wrong ?
Admin said "If you think someone is cheating, and has multiple accounts and applying to bounties and airdrops, present your proofs here. Any mod or even upper management that tries to delete a report before the judge decides on it will lose his rank."
Link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0
Malam90 has deleted the proof, what about this, sir??
admin, president,VP, judges, GMs and all mods, kindly please the rules be enforced..
Maybe we all know malam90 was "ill" , I've asked several mods, they said malam90 was ill,
really ??
but He still posted every day, you can check his activities and has commented on small rabbit tele group againsted me.
I hope I will get justice here.
I'm just an ordinary member but I want the rules to be enforced.
"Hopefully No GM abuses his power and help a scammer"
thanks
Screen shot Telegram Small Rabbit
Link https://t.me/smallrabbitbounty/23408
(https://i.imgur.com/Kd0mNwV.png) (https://i.imgur.com/yXNSQRp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vunnWbc.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9fLOeWS.png)
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Dear Admin, President, VP, Judges, all GMs and mods,
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I've been asked for my opinion on this from others, but ultimately this is something for mnixxo or alltalk to deal with as Judges of this community forum. Particularly mnixxo as a global mod as well.
I've asked Malam90 for a response to this thread for clarity on why this poa post was deleted. We all make mistakes, myself included, and I believe this is one of them. It's best to acknowledge and learn from our mistakes...
While I respect the decision of the elected Judges of this forum, a user trying to use Potential Hero rank as Hero rank for a bounty isn't exactly what I would call scamming. The Potential Hero rank literally has "Hero" within it, so I'm not surprised Papa Bear attempted to enroll in a bounty campaign using their "Hero" status. Whether they are accepted as such should be up for BM's to decide, rather than mods or Judges in my opinion. I see this more as opportunistic rather than trying to scam a bounty manager. Bounty cheaters are usually those who enroll multiple accounts, plagiarism, etc. This was a relatively transparent maneuver, hence it failed. I'd consider this more suspicious than outright scammer personally, but it's also not my decision to make.
Furthermore, I don't know why Papa Bear has PH rank instead of Teleported Hero rank, so there may be more to this user than we are aware of. Only admin knows why this user has this rank and not teleported, and there is probably a good reason rather than being a Hero member elsewhere in my opinion (otherwise they would have teleported rank). Ultimately, this is upto Small Rabbit to decide whether to accept this user as Hero or not. It's also up to Judges to decide whether to give a scammer tag as well if they feel it's appropriate. There is a balance in here somewhere. I'm therefore unsurprised Malam90 sided with Papa Bear and Small Rabbit in the matter, rather than the Judges. He's entitled to disagree with this situation, as am I.
I otherwise think the Judges of this forum have made it abundantly clear: Potential Hero ranks will not be accepted as Hero members and this precedent has now been made. Whether BM's, myself , VP or admin like this decision or not should be considered irrelevant. These Judges were elected by the community after being nominated by the Senate. Their decision should be respected in the matter regardless.
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Hi all, i am not involved in any cheating from my life but we are man. Sometimes we can do mistakes but this doesn't mean that i foster any cheater. Last few days i was ill. I just completed my bounty works from staying at bed, not spending many times in the forum.
This signature budget was low. That's why BM decided to post signature only Bitcointalk forum. After posting bounty link for social campaigns in altcoinstalks forum, i discussed with BM and he told me that budget is low. So it is only for Bitcointalk forum. I requested him to post BTC (USDT later) campaign here for altcoinstalks community and he agreed with my request later and posted signature campaign here.
At first when Small Rabbit contracted with me when bounty started. I told him it is upto BM's decision, it's not my control. BM accepted him as he didn't know too much about forum rank and additional group membership. Few days ago, Papa Bear requested me to delete the POA post, he confessed that he did wrong and will never do it again. I simply deleted it without any future plan or future think. Later i answered with mnixxo that i deleted it what i have said this.
@fadl4 you should stop lying that i deprived you. You applied as a hero member but it is no 8. Before you, there is 7 Hero members. The hero spot was only 5 and you were no 8. How did i deprive you? Who am i that deprived you from signature? BM takes according to his will. Do you know what i did silently for this community? You guys, always find where there is any hole (fault) but don't think the reality. You all guys make many mistakes, i notice but i always avoid by just deleting the post. Why? because i don't want too many rude behave in the forum. I want a friendly environment.
Guys, i am man, i am not free from mistakes. If Dragon, mnixxo think it as general mistake of me, they can warn me or take big step. :'( :'( :'(
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Dear Admin, President, VP, Judges, all GMs and mods,
I ask for justice, because as an altcoinstalks member I feel that one of the GM has treated me unfairly. (malam90)
When I joined the NFD paid BTC bounty, my Hero rank was rejected while the potential hero rank was accepted. And I asked BM smallrabbit to recheck that the potential hero is not a forum rank but an additional membership, GM Malam90 defended papa bear and debated my argument.
Even though the general rules have included forum rank, not honour rank.
You can check my screen shoot from small rabbit tele group, here.
And when Alltalk, one of the judges warned that papa bear cheated by quoting the POA, apparently after that GM deleted the POA.
He said papa bear requested to delete the POA.
why ??
doesn't he read or not see ?
All talk has warned papa bear at bounty thread about scam.
Is this a conspiracy to eliminate the evidence ?
Link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=216061.msg1193060#msg1193060
Why ? shouldn't GM do it, if there is a request from the member, GM Malam90 should ask permission to bounty mod, mnixxo.
Sounds weird....it's really strange.
What's wrong ?
Admin said "If you think someone is cheating, and has multiple accounts and applying to bounties and airdrops, present your proofs here. Any mod or even upper management that tries to delete a report before the judge decides on it will lose his rank."
Link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0
Malam90 has deleted the proof, what about this, sir??
admin, president,VP, judges, GMs and all mods, kindly please the rules be enforced..
Maybe we all know malam90 was "ill" , I've asked several mods, they said malam90 was ill,
really ??
but He still posted every day, you can check his activities and has commented on small rabbit tele group againsted me.
I hope I will get justice here.
I'm just an ordinary member but I want the rules to be enforced.
"Hopefully No GM abuses his power and help a scammer"
thanks
Screen shot Telegram Small Rabbit
Link https://t.me/smallrabbitbounty/23408
(https://i.imgur.com/Kd0mNwV.png) (https://i.imgur.com/yXNSQRp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vunnWbc.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9fLOeWS.png)
Who told you that i deleted POA post? Because you aren't mod. So it is impossible for you to find out who deleted it. Why mod's secret activity comes to light? I only told with mnixxo. He is very responsible person and won't disclose it. I am sure. Only mods can see through moderation log. So, I want to know who told you about it? It's impossible to find it for you and general users of the forum. Answer my question.
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Hello Guys!
Sorry for the late reply. Firstly let me clear everything pointwise. My rank was given by Honourable Admin, and he gave me this rank after checking my posts quality. So when that bounty came form SR, I have applied for it and told him that I have a POTENTIAL HERO rank and I am applying for your signature, at first he said "no", then I have told him to check my post quality and also told GM Malam to check this situation too. After few hours I got accepted, so I have started the work. Then suddenly I saw a lot of negative comment about my account on SR group, so I request malam to help me. As a mod he helped me a lot. Also at the end I got a lot of -ve karma, so I told GM to help me to delete the post.
Now, let's come to the point first.
As far as I know potential hero rank means I have the capability of a Hero, and on the forum there was no rules about it, that a potential hero member can't apply for a hero rank. On Admin post it was uncertain too - https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=8508.0 , also in that time I was able to ware the hero's signature that's why I joined on it.
If you think that it was a crime, then I am ready to repay my total USDT to the forum, I have no issues with it.
But there was a full gang attack on my account with -ve karma which is very bad experience frankly speaking. My request is as a GM and Judge you should contact both party and here from them what was going on. But I did not get any message from @alltalk although Small Rabbit received from him. So more confusion was created on there.
I was contacted @mnixxo 1 day ago and he told me, my fault was typing the HERO rank on my POA.
Finally, my experience was very bad, continuously they were attacking me with -ve karma. It is not the solution, you should talk with both of them first.
And @fadl4 Potential Hero rank is only obtained by Admin, and I think it is not a membership or kind of that, you should read the admin post properly.
Also I am requesting to all the GM, please take care of the posts quality, for example
@fadl4 check this HERO's post
1. What about safepal hardwallet, is it recommended to have? I see that many people are familiar with the Safepal wallet and many people have also used it
2. Now almost a lot of people are using trust wallet because there are already many projects using BEP20. Can the Houbi wallet accept Bep20 tokens?
3. Delete
few example, in this way they are increasing their posts without any efforts. Thank you
And finally if you guys @alltheGM&Judge still think I am wrong, I would love to replay my reward and will left Altcointalks, I will be waiting for your response too @dragononcrypto. Thank you.
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Who told you that i deleted POA post? Because you aren't mod. So it is impossible for you to find out who deleted it. Why mod's secret activity comes to light? I only told with mnixxo. He is very responsible person and won't disclose it. I am sure. Only mods can see through moderation log. So, I want to know who told you about it? It's impossible to find it for you and general users of the forum. Answer my question.
You should see the mnixxo statement above, if there is one GM who has deleted POA.
Based on that statement, I can conclude that it's you.
Because you are the only GM who defends papa bear in smallrabbit tele group.
If you feel it's not you? please provide proof that it's not you.
And if there is a request from papa bear, can you provide proof of your conversation, regarding the request for papa bear to delete the POA.
why the POA had to be deleted after alltalk warned in the smallrabbit thread.
whats wrong?
If you don't feel guilty, why delete it?
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Who told you that i deleted POA post? Because you aren't mod. So it is impossible for you to find out who deleted it. Why mod's secret activity comes to light? I only told with mnixxo. He is very responsible person and won't disclose it. I am sure. Only mods can see through moderation log. So, I want to know who told you about it? It's impossible to find it for you and general users of the forum. Answer my question.
You should see the mnixxo statement above, if there is one GM who has deleted POA.
Based on that statement, I can conclude that it's you.
Because you are the only GM who defends papa bear in smallrabbit tele group.
If you feel it's not you? please provide proof that it's not you.
And if there is a request from papa bear, can you provide proof of your conversation, regarding the request for papa bear to delete the POA.
why the POA had to be deleted after alltalk warned in the smallrabbit thread.
whats wrong?
If you don't feel guilty, why delete it?
mnixxo didn't say "Malam90" deleted POA post. How did you assume that Malam90 deleted? Because there are 5 other global mods. I am not nonsense that i will disclose chat of others in public. I told all in the above. See it. But for your wrong allegation against me that i deprived you from signature. You are here " putting allegation against Mods or stuffs". @mnixxo @dragononcrypto please see the arrogant of this user.
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Hello Guys!
Sorry for the late reply. Firstly let me clear everything pointwise. My rank was given by Honourable Admin, and he gave me this rank after checking my posts quality. So when that bounty came form SR, I have applied for it and told him that I have a POTENTIAL HERO rank and I am applying for your signature, at first he said "no", then I have told him to check my post quality and also told GM Malam to check this situation too. After few hours I got accepted, so I have started the work. Then suddenly I saw a lot of negative comment about my account on SR group, so I request malam to help me. As a mod he helped me a lot. Also at the end I got a lot of -ve karma, so I told GM to help me to delete the post.
Now, let's come to the point first.
As far as I know potential hero rank means I have the capability of a Hero, and on the forum there was no rules about it, that a potential hero member can't apply for a hero rank. On Admin post it was uncertain too - https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=8508.0 , also in that time I was able to ware the hero's signature that's why I joined on it.
If you think that it was a crime, then I am ready to repay my total USDT to the forum, I have no issues with it.
But there was a full gang attack on my account with -ve karma which is very bad experience frankly speaking. My request is as a GM and Judge you should contact both party and here from them what was going on. But I did not get any message from @alltalk although Small Rabbit received from him. So more confusion was created on there.
I was contacted @mnixxo 1 day ago and he told me, my fault was typing the HERO rank on my POA.
Finally, my experience was very bad, continuously they were attacking me with -ve karma. It is not the solution, you should talk with both of them first.
And @fadl4 Potential Hero rank is only obtained by Admin, and I think it is not a membership or kind of that, you should read the admin post properly.
Also I am requesting to all the GM, please take care of the posts quality, for example
@fadl4 check this HERO's post
1. What about safepal hardwallet, is it recommended to have? I see that many people are familiar with the Safepal wallet and many people have also used it
2. Now almost a lot of people are using trust wallet because there are already many projects using BEP20. Can the Houbi wallet accept Bep20 tokens?
3. Delete
few example, in this way they are increasing their posts without any efforts. Thank you
And finally if you guys @alltheGM&Judge still think I am wrong, I would love to replay my reward and will left Altcointalks, I will be waiting for your response too @dragononcrypto. Thank you.
if you talk about the quality of my posts, you should ask why in the forum the achievement of rank is not only based on the quality of the post, but also the quantity of the posts.
I did rank up from the lowest rank, newbie.
You can see when my account registration.
If the old members are not valued, what will happen to friends here who rank up from the bottom.
There should be clear rules about who has the right to join the bounty.
And hopefully the judges and the president can provide a solution for this debate.
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mnixxo didn't say "Malam90" deleted POA post. How did you assume that Malam90 deleted? Because there are 5 other global mods. I am not nonsense that i will disclose chat of others in public. I told all in the above. See it. But for your wrong allegation against me that i deprived you from signature. You are here " putting allegation against Mods or stuffs".
if you feel it's not you, please show evidence that it wasn't you who did it.
why do i think it was you? because you are the only GM who defends papa bear in smallrabbit group telegram. is this wrong? if wrong, show proof that it's not you.
I also want to know,
can you show the proof that papa bear asked you to delete the POA. why?
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There should be clear rules about who has the right to join the bounty.
As you can see on the above message, BM already approved me for this task. So what is your issue about it ? Also there was no rules about it, that I can't participated on it. If I can ware the signature and have a Potential Hero rank, I though I can join this, and that's why BM approved me. If there was such rules why should I participate on it? Be logical.
Also, why are you tagging GMs? I was the guy who request him to delete my POA, because you and your gang was attacking me continuously with -ve karma, apparently Honourable @Admin can see that only.
I think @fadl4 you are not bigger than ADMIN and BOUNTY MANAGER!!! So please respect them and their decision.
Again I am telling all the GMs and Judges, I am ready to refund all the reward with proof if needed. Also I am requesting @Admin and @mnixxo @dragononcrypto please check the serial -ve karma attack. Everything should be cleared on here. I think one person can give +/- karma after 100 hours, so please launch an investigation about it. A gang can destroy whole forum, as it was happened with other platform.
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I think at the forum court, we have to have arguments and evidence. Assumptions can be refuted with arguments.
If I assume from the words of mnixxo, the GM who deleted it was you based on the evidence that you were the only GM who defended papa bear in smallrabbit group tele.
if you ask where is my assumption? from my instincts.
You have to prove that it's not you. Evidence must be answered with evidence, my evidence that you are defending papa bear is in the screen shot that I attached above. Why are you just playing on words, not referring to evidence and allegations. Arrogant ? you should see for yourself. I'm just an ordinary member and you are a GM, am I not entitled to demand justice.
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As you can see on the above message, BM already approved me for this task. So what is your issue about it ? Also there was no rules about it, that I can't participated on it. If I can ware the signature and have a Potential Hero rank, I though I can join this, and that's why BM approved me. If there was such rules why should I participate on it? Be logical.
Also, why are you tagging GMs? I was the guy who request him to delete my POA, because you and your gang was attacking me continuously with -ve karma, apparently Honourable @Admin can see that only.
I think @fadl4 you are not bigger than ADMIN and BOUNTY MANAGER!!! So please respect them and their decision.
Again I am telling all the GMs and Judges, I am ready to refund all the reward with proof if needed. Also I am requesting @Admin and @mnixxo @dragononcrypto please check the serial -ve karma attack. Everything should be cleared on here. I think one person can give +/- karma after 100 hours, so please launch an investigation about it. A gang can destroy whole forum, as it was happened with other platform.
okay, I know you are accepted by BM.
What I have a problem with is the clarity of the additional membership and forum rank. Because as a member I also have the right to ask the rights of each member.
why am I tagging the GM in this matter, because as a fellow member, why are you the only one which being defended by Malam90?
And when the judge warned in the thread, why was the POA deleted.
As I said before, arguments are refuted by arguments, strengthened by evidence and assumptions can be taken and strengthened by evidence.
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I think at the forum court, we have to have arguments and evidence. Assumptions can be refuted with arguments.
If I assume from the words of mnixxo, the GM who deleted it was you based on the evidence that you were the only GM who defended papa bear in smallrabbit group tele.
if you ask where is my assumption? from my instincts.
You have to prove that it's not you. Evidence must be answered with evidence, my evidence that you are defending papa bear is in the screen shot that I attached above. Why are you just playing on words, not referring to evidence and allegations. Arrogant ? you should see for yourself. I'm just an ordinary member and you are a GM, am I not entitled to demand justice.
I haven't said it's not i but i asked you who tell that i did it because you aren't mod. Without mod, general users can't see moderation log as its only for moderators.
I already said earlier that i did it for what.
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I would like to involve in this good discussion. ;D
Keep calm.
Let us maintain the friendly environment.
Blaming one another won't help. We all commit/ed mistake.
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I am locking this topic. Please calm down.
We are friendly forum, so please DON'T attack each other.
Thanks,
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I would like to give my opinion on this... I think we shouldn't accuse anyone without showing the necessary proof, @fadl4 when you had that conversation on the 6th I saw it, and I also thought it wasn't fair, but small rabbit accepted papa bear as a hero, that's why I didn't say anything, the rules about his bounties are set by him. I am a mod, and I can see some logs, but I would never reveal anything, I can only say what I do, and I also make mistakes many times of course, I am not a robot. Since I had the privilege of being a mod I have always had the support and experience of @Malam90, but remember that he is not a robot either.
After saying these words, instead of attacking each other, maybe the admin can get us out of doubt about the true rank of a "member" "potential hero", I have my own idea, but I think it would be very beneficial for this community.
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My rank was given by Honourable Admin, and he gave me this rank after checking my posts quality.
What rank do you mean? Potential Hero? Again I said to you, it is not a default rank but an additional membergroup.
You must read this thread : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=8508.0.
On the thread, admin never said Potential Hero = Hero Member. Don't misunderstand.
Admin: "we hope by doing so, they will stick and fulfill the prophecy and actually getting the hero and legend ranks on our community as well !"
It means by giving an additional membergroup "Potential Hero", you are also expected can grow your rank to be Hero or Legend in altcoinstalks as well.
Do you understand @Papa Bear?
Again I am telling all the GMs and Judges
You said all judges?
I never saw any message from you.
Also, are you sure you are telling all GMs? What's the proof?
I am ready to refund all the reward with proof if needed.
Refund? Send it back again to Bounty manager?
I am requesting @Admin and @mnixxo @dragononcrypto please check the serial -ve karma attack. Everything should be cleared on here.
What for?
Do you think members of this forum cannot give negative karma to the scammer?
By the way, as far as I know, only admin can see it. But admin probably checks it when it is really necessary.
Few days ago, Papa Bear requested me to delete the POA post, he confessed that he did wrong and will never do it again. I simply deleted it without any future plan or future think. Later i answered with mnixxo that i deleted it what i have said this.
You must see my comment that quoted the POA. And it is very clear a warning to Papa Bear. In this matter, you should realize there is something wrong with him, and the POA can be needed if there is a further investigation or if there is a complaint from any members. Also, why you didn't contact me first? Or contact mnixxo, as he is the moderator on the bounty section. It is mnixxo's responsibility to delete it. Or just said Papa Bear to click "Report to moderator".
By the way, if you just delete it on the bounty section, it should be on Trash board. Can you restore it now?
@mnixxo @dragononcrypto please see the arrogant of this user.
What for saying this?
What sentences reflect that fadl4 is arrogant.
If you don't feel guilty, why delete it?
No need to say this. Just see what's the reason.
I'm just an ordinary member and you are a GM, am I not entitled to demand justice.
If we are talking about justice, surely everyone has the same right. Moreover, our forum is friendly and supports democracy. If there is a mistake done by any members in this forum, you can report it in a proper way. Even if I do a mistake, you also can report me.
Guys, I know we are a friendly forum but admin also supports democracy.
How we (mnixxo & I) can find further proofs and considerations if there is no discussion on this thread.
All relevant parties need to talk here, so it makes the case clearer for everyone.
As judges, we must provide space for claims and defenses before making a decision.
*But please, use polite words during the discussion.
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@Alltalk mate, i have confessed my unintentional mistake without any hesitation in my first post. If you think it's not sufficient, will you be happy to see if i pm admin to remove me from GM, modz and finally leave the forum? If yes, i am ready. Malam90 is not doing here for his personal interest. Till now, all i did for the communnity, but my all decisions will be 100% correct, i don't think. I am not robot.
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If you think it's not sufficient, will you be happy to see if i pm admin to remove me from GM, modz and finally leave the forum? If yes, i am ready.
No need to do it now, mate. Let's wait for the response from admin first.
NO, you shouldn't leave this forum. I don't think admin wants to ban you because of this case. Keep calm, mate!
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I think at the forum court, we have to have arguments and evidence. Assumptions can be refuted with arguments.
If I assume from the words of mnixxo, the GM who deleted it was you based on the evidence that you were the only GM who defended papa bear in smallrabbit group tele.
if you ask where is my assumption? from my instincts.
You have to prove that it's not you. Evidence must be answered with evidence, my evidence that you are defending papa bear is in the screen shot that I attached above. Why are you just playing on words, not referring to evidence and allegations. Arrogant ? you should see for yourself. I'm just an ordinary member and you are a GM, am I not entitled to demand justice.
I haven't said it's not i but i asked you who tell that i did it because you aren't mod. Without mod, general users can't see moderation log as its only for moderators.
I already said earlier that i did it for what.
I already answered, did you not read it?
why are you repeating the same question, are you not clear with my answer ??
I assume from mnixxo's statement GM has deleted POA.
Okay, I'm not a mod, but shouldn't I assume??
~I think every humans have the right to assume~
I will answer papa bear too, I'm not bigger than BM and GM. thats true..
I'm just an ordinary member, don't I have the right to ask for justice ??.
Assumptions and evidence are processes of the law when arguments are debated.
Do you understand the law and debate? what purpose are we looking for? decision and evidence.
Every assumption, argument must have a proof.
Not just repeating the same question.
It's funny mate. :)
Okay, I know you're GM..
I hope All GMs , Mods, judges, admin, President and VP can give the arguments at this investigations.
I want to learn about rights and justice of this forum.
thanks
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I hope All GMs , Mods, judges, admin, President and VP can give the arguments at this investigations.
I want to learn about rights and justice of this forum.
thanks
I respect and understand you mate.
To be honest, we are a friendly forum. Thats the attractive platform of AltcoinsTalks imo. Let us be understandable, patient, forgiveable, and make us everything in good harmony as long as we are here. :D
BTW, I think its enough and fair that HE GOT SCAM BADGE.
For single mistake, please consider that we aren't perfect and no need to expand the problem if already been told.
We make friends and family here imo. ;D ;)
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Guys please Keep calm. And please respect each other.
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Guys, i am man, i am not free from mistakes. If Dragon, mnixxo think it as general mistake of me, they can warn me or take big step. :'( :'( :'(
I think it would of been better for you to acknowledge deleting the poa post, rather than deflect from this based on it being confidential information, but ultimately nevermind. Hopefully you've learnt from this mistake. I'd also generally do the same for a user (deleting posts) when requested, but sometimes we have to consider the consequences of our actions how and we can end up in the middle of a situation like this.
Thanks for responding none of the less +2.
I will be waiting for your response too @dragononcrypto. Thank you.
This is up to the elected Judges, not me.
Double post -1.
Also I am requesting @Admin and @mnixxo @dragononcrypto please check the serial -ve karma attack. Everything should be cleared on here. I think one person can give +/- karma after 100 hours, so please launch an investigation about it. A gang can destroy whole forum, as it was happened with other platform.
-2 or -3 isn't enough for an investigation. It's probably not targeted, but distributed among different users who are entitled to give -karma as they feel appropriate. Karma is curated by the community.
Regardless I've given you +3, due to your acknowledgement of wrong doing and engaging in this discussion. The scammer tag I can't help you with I'm afraid, that's not up to me.
Good investigation.
Shitposting -1.
We are friendly forum, so please DON'T attack each other.
Ideally this should happen.
Guys, I know we are a friendly forum but admin also supports democracy.
Me too :)
Let's wait for the response from admin first.
Let's not? Admin has better things to do than mediate bounty based disputes, like administrating the forum. This is what you as a Judge is for, so admin doesn't have to waste his time with this nonsense.
This isn't an administrative issue, it's court based. If admin wants to give his two satoshis towards the discussion he will, but please don't waste his time with this. It's not worth it in my opinion.
I hope All GMs , Mods, judges, admin, President and VP can give the arguments at this investigations.
I really hope more GMs, mods, admin, VP and myself don't waste more time with this personally.
I'm looking forward to a Judge locking this thread personally, as intended.
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I backed to this section to see my further case before about Cartesi, the POA of the scammer has been archived (don't know who deleted it) but the thread was locked so I couldn't respond anymore after long sleep .. ;D
And I found a new case here, yeah.
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First of all, I really appreciated your bravery to reveal this case. Not all members dare to do it, because this can also be at risk for your account if some certain members here don't like you then your account will be attacked or get a counterattack from various parties.
Really appreciate what you did here.
But I don't know why the Honorable Mr. President gave you - karma only because of double posts, while the posts are referred to different members.
I am asking here as an ordinary member,
is there any restriction to do that or is that not allowed to do this and will get -Karma? Where I can check this because I commonly saw several posts like this, if there is this restriction, I will also give negative karma.
Double post -1.
And without intending to be massive or disrespectful, I am on the opposite.
I will appreciate you as the OP with +5 karma (but honestly, I can't do it directly, notification: "there's sorry writing, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 100 hours". I think it is like a merit system in another forum where I can give it more than 1 at the same time, what do I don't know? Lol) ;D, I gave it as my appreciation revealing the cheater in this forum and I am really sure that this must be appreciated by whoever, especially members here who care about this forum.
I also give each +3 for the judges @alltalk and @mnixxo that have supported and make fair solutions to this case.
And also give +1 karma to others who are also a good discussion on this thread.
And I gave -3 karma to the cheater because he deserves it. Although it is a friendly forum doesn't mean acceptance for a cheater. or is it acceptable?
It is funny, I am not the kind of people who really care about this, and telling one by one to give Karma if it is not necessary. But I only follow the Honorable Mr.President here as a "Role Model" here.
I don't know who you all are, but seeing the discussion on this thread and seeing who you are all here, most are the administrators and staff here. And I am as an ordinary member really expect that "a Fair Judgement and Solution" for this. It is so funny.
And WOW, I super surprised when seeing these:
Regardless I've given you +3, due to your acknowledgement of wrong doing and engaging in this discussion.
I really really don't know with the system of Karma here and how we can give it, it is only based on a person?
I am really jealous of this concern,
How could a Cheater get + karma just because he wanted to discuss this thread until it showed I Gave +3 karma on this post?
Whereas I used to investigate my case by myself, solved my case, no one cared about me and did not help solve my case here, adn whether I gave that kind of LONG INVESTIGATION RESULT, NO ONE gave me and say I gave you + Karma on it.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=208085.msg1161328#msg1161328
And the Most Honorable President only typed Like this: not giving and supporting with +Karma like what has the Honorable Mr President did to the cheater.
Good luck with that :)
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=208085.msg1159606#msg1159606
like what @Nostoman did and get -karma because of it
(Good investigation.
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But I know and I am aware, I am nobody here and I don't have any power. Moreover, I'm sure the Honorable Mr. President is certainly very fair in doing something.
And if this forum is friendly, why gave -Karma the OP because of his very very small mistake? Or, I am actually really curious about the system of Karma itself.
Well, aside from this personal opinion.
I also feel that the here other thing is about the Honorable all Moderators, to prevent this case, I know that You are all also a humanbeing, and you have limitation to do something because of the health, time, or energy.
But, I am as an ordinary member really hope that whenever you got any case or somebody asked you to do or act something, you must be careful in deciding when to delete any posts or others, because whatever the condition, staffs are staffs, different with ordinary members.
And here I don't intend to make this thread weird again and again, but actually, I am really curious about what happens this far on this thread.
With the decision to give +3 karma to the cheater, I will always note this that:
Every member here who is a cheater, spammers, or whatever the mistakes are done, what you need to do is by saying "sorry for my mistake" and also involved and engaged in the discussion thread, and you will get +3 karma.
This is one of the things that I can get from this thread.
So, don't worry if you make any mistakes later, I will remind everyone to do this. Really interesting, I will keep this in mind, screenshot, and others.
Isn't that like that Mr. President?
And I probably will get -Karma because I have said something bad here, no problem. That is me.
I like this forum because intended to make this forum more friendly for members (or also for cheatehrs?).
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Bummmmmppppppppp
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Potential hero was granted upon request from mod: malam90
his message
Dear Admin
Hope you are well.
This user (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=80913) is assistant bounty manger of Bounty Detective group. He has lot of contribution to our forum community. He is very helpful. He needs an account with Potential Hero or Potential Legendary badge. If you please consider his application, i will be grateful to you.
Thanks
Malam90
however i do consider the scam badge a bit too much, for bounty cheating
and we should reserve the scam to scammers
thus maybe use a cheater badge instead for anyone cheating - will create this soon
meanwhile papa can simply lose the potential hero rank as a punishment
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Potential hero was granted upon request from mod: malam90
his message
Dear Admin
Hope you are well.
This user (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=80913) is assistant bounty manger of Bounty Detective group. He has lot of contribution to our forum community. He is very helpful. He needs an account with Potential Hero or Potential Legendary badge. If you please consider his application, i will be grateful to you.
Thanks
Malam90
however i do consider the scam badge a bit too much, for bounty cheating
and we should reserve the scam to scammers
thus maybe use a cheater badge instead for anyone cheating - will create this soon
meanwhile papa can simply lose the potential hero rank as a punishment
what?? Malam90 who asked the admin to give a potential hero or legendary for papa bear. We all know Malam90 who defended Papa Bear in the Small Rabbit group tele. I think It's not a coincidence, it turns out they are close and have known for a long time. So deleting POA is not just a member request, but a friend request.
underlined..
friend request..
For now, Admin decided papa bear is a cheater, I ask how is malam 90? he helps cheater by removing the POA. What punishment deserves to malam90?
I think it's the proof...
a conspiracy..
Dear admin.. I ask a justice
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Potential hero was granted upon request from mod: malam90
his message
Dear Admin
Hope you are well.
This user (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=80913) is assistant bounty manger of Bounty Detective group. He has lot of contribution to our forum community. He is very helpful. He needs an account with Potential Hero or Potential Legendary badge. If you please consider his application, i will be grateful to you.
Thanks
Malam90
however i do consider the scam badge a bit too much, for bounty cheating
and we should reserve the scam to scammers
thus maybe use a cheater badge instead for anyone cheating - will create this soon
meanwhile papa can simply lose the potential hero rank as a punishment
what?? Malam90 who asked the admin to give a potential hero or legendary for papa bear. We all know Malam90 who defended Papa Bear in the Small Rabbit group tele. I think It's not a coincidence, it turns out they are close and have known for a long time. So deleting POA is not just a member request, but a friend request.
underlined..
friend request..
For now, Admin decided papa bear is a cheater, I ask how is malam 90? he helps cheater by removing the POA. What punishment deserves to malam90?
I think it's the proof...
a conspiracy..
Dear admin.. I ask a justice
a judgement error can be made by anyone ...
i am not here to reign with fire and terror ...
as a matter of fact, i am not here to reign at all, this forum have an elected president and a chosen senate
if this issue is seen as something that needs addressing, please do refer it to them.
i only ask everyone to keep in mind that our site has set out to be a friendly site, thus try to avoid harsh punishment if not absolutely necessary, and be merciful when possible .
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i am not here to reign with fire and terror ...
Seriously? This isn't what we agreed ???
Just kidding :P
as a matter of fact, i am not here to reign at all, this forum have an elected president and a chosen senate
if this issue is seen as something that needs addressing, please do refer it to them.
There we go folks, you heard it. Please refer to the relevant department with your issues: Presidents (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148614.0), Senators (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=189940.0) or Judges (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0).
This is literally why they were nominated and elected by the community ;)
i only ask everyone to keep in mind that our site has set out to be a friendly site, thus try to avoid harsh punishment if not absolutely necessary, and be merciful when possible .
As per usual. Hopefully others will acknowledge this is the message that you always focus on.
It's taken me a few years to come around, but I'm in agreement these days ;)
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Finally getting around to answering some of your opinions, since you addressed me personally. I did write reply before but laptop cut out and lost my reply, so had to write this again ::)
Note: double post due to time delay. If I edited my previous post as I previously intended, I don't believe anyone would notice (such as yourself). Ie a legitimate double post in my opinion.
But I don't know why the Honorable Mr. President gave you - karma only because of double posts, while the posts are referred to different members.
I am asking here as an ordinary member,
is there any restriction to do that or is that not allowed to do this and will get -Karma? Where I can check this because I commonly saw several posts like this, if there is this restriction, I will also give negative karma.
I gave negative karma for exactly the reason you stated as well as quoted below. You are allowed to make double posts (it's not against the rules), senior members and above are also allowed to give -karma if they feel it's appropriate. For example when it's annoying or disruptive to discussion. In this case, I felt it was annoying and unnecessary. Karma is curated by the community, not by moderators. I gave -karma as a member of the community, not as a president. Presidential -karma would be -2 or more for reference sake.
Double post -1.
I also give each +3 for the judges @alltalk and @mnixxo that have supported and make fair solutions to this case.
And also give +1 karma to others who are also a good discussion on this thread.
I also gave +karma (unspecified) to the OP as well as Judges, regardless of whether I agree with their decision or not. +karma is for good quality contributions, not for agreeing to an opinion you like.
And I gave -3 karma to the cheater because he deserves it. Although it is a friendly forum doesn't mean acceptance for a cheater. or is it acceptable?
Regarding karma, this isn't for me, admin, VP, Senators or Mods to decide. This is up to the community to decide, yourself included. Ideally, the community decides that cheating isn't acceptable: yes.
I simply took back my negative karma that I previously gave (I gave -2 or -3 I think), this being my decision to make.
It is funny, I am not the kind of people who really care about this, and telling one by one to give Karma if it is not necessary. But I only follow the Honorable Mr.President here as a "Role Model" here.
I am no "Role Model", you must have me confused with someone else. I am merely the President elected by the Senate. For role models, you're better of following the Senators who were elected by the community.
For reference sake, I wasn't elected by the community. You can otherwise try and be your own role model, or a role model for others (as you appear to be doing), this is a lot more productive imo.
I don't know who you all are, but seeing the discussion on this thread and seeing who you are all here, most are the administrators and staff here. And I am as an ordinary member really expect that "a Fair Judgement and Solution" for this. It is so funny.
It's true most of the members replying here are staff, members similar to yourself are probably too scared to have their say in fear of having their opinions attacked or receiving negative karma. I wouldn't describe you as an ordinary member for the fact you have freely stated your opinions. Ordinary members are usually too scared to do this unfortunately. For reference sake, any members of staff (or otherwise) giving -karma for opinions they disagree with will be severely punished by myself. None of us want a hostile environment to "ordinary members" that restricts freedom of speech and expression. Everyone should feel entitled to have their say, even if it's a pointless contribution, as long as it's polite and not attacking each other, etc.
And WOW, I super surprised when seeing these:
Regardless I've given you +3, due to your acknowledgement of wrong doing and engaging in this discussion.
I really really don't know with the system of Karma here and how we can give it, it is only based on a person?
I am really jealous of this concern,
How could a Cheater get + karma just because he wanted to discuss this thread until it showed I Gave +3 karma on this post?
Whereas I used to investigate my case by myself, solved my case, no one cared about me and did not help solve my case here, adn whether I gave that kind of LONG INVESTIGATION RESULT, NO ONE gave me and say I gave you + Karma on it.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=208085.msg1161328#msg1161328
For Karma usage see: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
Summary: karma should never be given to a user because they are "good" or "bad", it should be given for their contribution., so +karma when of value and -karma when breaking the rules or otherwise. Hence you can't give +karma to a user without it being referenced to a post (this is how the karma log works). For me, acknowledging wrong doing is a valuable contribution. You don't have to agree with my decision, I'm indifferent. If anything, I'd prefer people to disagree with me on this, but unfortunately apart from yourself no-one seems to bother. Again, probably due to the fear factor I consistently try and dismantle, or otherwise mods naively worrying that they will lose their role or fail to gain promotions if they disagree with me. Those who have known me long enough, know that disagreeing with me is more likely to get you promoted, not demoted, but again, nevermind.
And the Most Honorable President only typed Like this: not giving and supporting with +Karma like what has the Honorable Mr President did to the cheater.
Good luck with that :)
For starters, I think you have me confused with someone else, probably mnixxo. I am not the "Most Honorable President", that would be mnixxo for successfully serving his term and honorably becoming the 1st President. I haven't finished my term successfully yet, so I am far from the most honorable. I'm also two weeks behind on spreadhseets, but fortunately the team here are understanding that I don't have the same time for the forum that I do over winter. Additionally, it's not a competition to be the most anything here. Mnixxo and I work together, as I do with the Vice President. We have a Committee of Presidents for this exact reason.
Anyway, I added in the quote, as the context is quite relevant here. This isn't what I would write to any member of the forum, only to Zed0X, maybe freemind as well, but not to any member, it's arguably rude and unhelpful. Why did I say this?
I have known this member for 3 years now, we worked together to tackle the issue of plagiarism when the forum became riddled by plagiarists, we have an understanding between us. This Senator even received negative karma from karma abusers over it, but was fearless to their retaliation, instead worked harder to root out the plagiarists and have them punished. In the end, the plagiarists were given a new rank "Karma Abuser" and had their karma issuance revoked. What's the relevance of this history? While I appreciate their contributions, including that one, they are quite the antagonist at heart, I also know they can take a dose of antagonism without feeling insulted. Zed0x consistently expressing opinions freely, without much concern over whether others will agree or not.
This was me honoring their role as a "thick skinned", free-thinking and (in my opinion) most outspoken Senator of this forum, as there are not enough members like this. I'm quite sure Zed0x understands me here.
If you notice Zed0x's reply, they were far from insulted, because they aren't easily insulted by others expressing themselves either.
Unfortunately as most members are, I take my opportunities to express myself freely without insulting others whenever possible.
Long shot, I know ;D It seems three accounts were activated recently.
You are also welcome to give me -karma for that post if you felt it was a shitpost: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=13796.0
I am not immune from receiving negative karma, nor should I be, and admin would punish me for retaliating with any in return I assure you. If presidential karma was ever used in retaliation, I'd also certainly be removed from my role.
Sometimes I shitpost it's true. It's in the hope someone will give me negative karma, unfortunately no-one seems to do so, no doubt too scared they would receive -karma in return. But instead, they'd get +karma from me for not being scared in giving -karma to a president. Hence: not a role model, but instead try and encourage others to be role models, as well as more fearless and outspoken ideally.
like what @Nostoman did and get -karma because of it
(Good investigation.
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For reasons stated above, I wouldn't compare these two replies. Nostoman knows what shitposting is, this wouldn't be the first time, and he can do a lot better than that. He also knows this, I am simply reminding him of this. Referencing this as a shitpost was for no-one else but Nostoman.
But I know and I am aware, I am nobody here and I don't have any power. Moreover, I'm sure the Honorable Mr. President is certainly very fair in doing something.
And if this forum is friendly, why gave -Karma the OP because of his very very small mistake? Or, I am actually really curious about the system of Karma itself.
It's simply not true you don't have power, you are a high ranking member of this forum with the power to distribute karma according to the rules and how you feel it's appropriate.
Arguably, you not only have power but you also have responsibility to use it to curate the quality you want to see here. To quote the Peter Parker principle: Great power comes with great responsibility.
And here I don't intend to make this thread weird again and again, but actually, I am really curious about what happens this far on this thread.
With the decision to give +3 karma to the cheater, I will always note this that:
Every member here who is a cheater, spammers, or whatever the mistakes are done, what you need to do is by saying "sorry for my mistake" and also involved and engaged in the discussion thread, and you will get +3 karma.
This is one of the things that I can get from this thread.
So, don't worry if you make any mistakes later, I will remind everyone to do this. Really interesting, I will keep this in mind, screenshot, and others.
Isn't that like that Mr. President?
No, you are wrong here. I took back the negative karma I gave . As referenced above, I gave presidential -karma to the cheater as well. I took it back, this doesn't mean they received +karma from me, but neutral (none). I just didn't feel the need to explain this, in the hope of having someone disagree with me and freely criticize my actions. So thanks ;)
In these situations it's otherwise important I remain neutral. I don't want to influence the decision of Judges, nor any members of staff that agree/disagree with me. Unfortunately, too many members and staff will simply follow the decisions and opinions of myself or admin and it's overall very counter-productive to democracy. Strength is in diversity, not conformity.
I like this forum because intended to make this forum more friendly for members (or also for cheatehrs?).
Now there is a cheater tag, as well as a relatively new sub-section for investigations, I don't think it's intended to be more friendly for cheaters no. This forum is however intended to be friendly for everyone, even if disruptive for scammers, spammers, cheaters, plagiarists. etc. Have you noticed how much time and effort I've put into warning members about the punishment they can receive for breaking the rules??
See: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180760.0
Furthermore, I respect the wishes of the admin to show forgiveness. This usually isn't my style as many mods know here. Many were probably surprised to see me give +karma to a cheater, but ultimately, they are still tagged as such so aren't going to be able to cheat any bounty managers anyway. I gave took back my -karma to the cheater due to their contribution within this thread, not to encourage more cheaters or make this place more friendly towards them. It was encourage the idea of users taking responsibility for their actions and acknowledging their wrong doing. That should have been obvious, but nevermind.
And I probably will get -Karma because I have said something bad here, no problem. That is me.
Again, false. I gave you +2 for your contribution, as seemingly the only non-mod freely expressing an opinion. Even though I disagree with most of your opinions, they are still valuable contributions.
It would of been +4 if not for the lack of self-education regarding karma usage that you should know better being a Legend, as well as some assumptions that aren't true.
Note: I spent a fair amount of time replying to you over this, probably the longest post I've written in months, you can check my history. I don't reserve lengthy replies to mods, as I don't believe in putting them on a pedestal that they don't deserve (apart from hair maybe :P). Instead, I spent my time replying to you instead of filling out spreedsheets for mod rewards for Q2, putting you before them it's worth noting. Food for thought.
TL:DR: I am not who you think I am.
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At first, I was confused about this post. So manually I created shit post. For this -1 karma does not matter. so It was deserved for me. So I’m not blaming anyone.
DR: +
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At first, I was confused about this post. So manually I created shit post. For this -1 karma does not matter. so It was deserved for me. So I’m not blaming anyone.
DR: +
Smart move +2. For recognizing that receiving -1 means next to nothing. It's so easily redeemable with a little acknowledgement, it's a value lesson for others I believe...
Not because you gave me +1 either. I officially stopped caring about receiving +karma when I became President, now I'm all about giving ++ 8)
Take care.
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That type of shit made me move from bounty management :-\
Let me drop my opinion although no one asked for :)
- Everything in bounty campaign is up to the manager only.
- Project team hired that particular manager.
- That hunter is not a cheater in my opinion, but he tried to abuse his special membership tag indeed. If it was my campaign I would probably just remove him from the participants without any penalties, because it not worth it.
- If you think he shouldn't be in campaign it is your right, but it is up to the manager to decide, maybe the manager made mistake by accepting him, it is still the manager mistake, not the hunter, especially if he discussed his rank with BM before joining.
- I am on the crypto forums for many years now, if any of my collegues/friends/users I am familiar with will ask me for help and I will help them, should I be punished later just for that? If I am not involved in their cheating (what in my opinion is just a mistake in that case).
Papa Bear probably tried to use his status for profit, but which of us are not here to do that? I understand how frustrating it is for those who have earned their own rank over the years, I am such a forum member myself, but we shouldn't be so strict.
In any campaign, someone will remain unsatisfied, because campaigns are launched to promote a project, not to give someone an opportunity to make money. It's win + win, but only for those who are lucky and selected by the manager.
My opinion is that I understand the frustration of those who have earned their own rank, but pointlessly punishing their competitors (and all forum members are direct competitors in this sense, when it comes to participation in the bounty) through bureaucratic forces and forum moderation is not really something that can solve the problem.
I am not a moderator, not a judge, not an administrator, not a bounty manager and not a participant (of that campaign), I am not involved in this particular case and am not directly familiar with any of the parties, so my opinion is objective (as possible). I cannot and do not want to influence this situation and get involved in it, but as a supporter of freedom of speech I decided to use it and express my opinion. Have a good day, everyone!
(and don't take forum business so personally - Your health is really more important, nerves in forum disputes is a waste of time, discuss problems more calmly, because one way or another every situation will have some kind of ending and a solution)
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That type of shit made me move from bounty management :-\
Let me drop my opinion although no one asked for :)
- Everything in bounty campaign is up to the manager only.
- Project team hired that particular manager.
- That hunter is not a cheater in my opinion, but he tried to abuse his special membership tag indeed. If it was my campaign I would probably just remove him from the participants without any penalties, because it not worth it.
- If you think he shouldn't be in campaign it is your right, but it is up to the manager to decide, maybe the manager made mistake by accepting him, it is still the manager mistake, not the hunter, especially if he discussed his rank with BM before joining.
- I am on the crypto forums for many years now, if any of my collegues/friends/users I am familiar with will ask me for help and I will help them, should I be punished later just for that? If I am not involved in their cheating (what in my opinion is just a mistake in that case).
Papa Bear probably tried to use his status for profit, but which of us are not here to do that? I understand how frustrating it is for those who have earned their own rank over the years, I am such a forum member myself, but we shouldn't be so strict.
In any campaign, someone will remain unsatisfied, because campaigns are launched to promote a project, not to give someone an opportunity to make money. It's win + win, but only for those who are lucky and selected by the manager.
My opinion is that I understand the frustration of those who have earned their own rank, but pointlessly punishing their competitors (and all forum members are direct competitors in this sense, when it comes to participation in the bounty) through bureaucratic forces and forum moderation is not really something that can solve the problem.
+5
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Let me drop my opinion although no one asked for :)
+1 See no real reason of punishing a user too. Especially because he asked if he can take part in the campaign with a specific badge, before entering.
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Let me drop my opinion although no one asked for :)
+1 See no real reason of punishing a user too. Especially because he asked if he can take part in the campaign with a specific badge, before entering.
Exactly! You clearly recognized my main point - why this user even considered as a cheater by forum moderation if he asked the BM to join the campaign and he was allowed by BM!
No matter what you think about whole case (there are some things I disagree with from all the parties), but it is not a cheating and surely not a scam in my opinion.
Probably this user must lose his special badge (he already did and even this doubtful, why he even received the badge initially, if he deserves it - nothing changed by that case) and he can be removed from campaign by its manager, but that's all.
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Let me drop my opinion although no one asked for :)
+1 See no real reason of punishing a user too. Especially because he asked if he can take part in the campaign with a specific badge, before entering.
Exactly! You clearly recognized my main point - why this user even considered as a cheater by forum moderation if he asked the BM to join the campaign and he was allowed by BM!
It sounds like what you are suggesting is that the relevant BM should be the only ones to propose a hunter is a cheater, then the tag could be authorized by Judges after review?
This would make more sense to me. It's also similar to how cheaters used to get warned: it required a BM application, followed by a GM reviewing it and warning users...
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Let me drop my opinion although no one asked for :)
+1 See no real reason of punishing a user too. Especially because he asked if he can take part in the campaign with a specific badge, before entering.
Exactly! You clearly recognized my main point - why this user even considered as a cheater by forum moderation if he asked the BM to join the campaign and he was allowed by BM!
No matter what you think about whole case (there are some things I disagree with from all the parties), but it is not a cheating and surely not a scam in my opinion.
Probably this user must lose his special badge (he already did and even this doubtful, why he even received the badge initially, if he deserves it - nothing changed by that case) and he can be removed from campaign by its manager, but that's all.
Good point. Also the forum is consider as a friendly environment as of now which should be considerate but will not tolerate abusive offense.. I don't know if we'll change someday or maybe today.. :D ;D
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I appreciate many opinions in this thread, I read one by one.
Well, bubbalex as ex BM gave suggestion and opinion about participant of bounty, It's good point.
I agree it all depends on BM to decide.
But cheating starts with intention.
If we allow the fraud to occur after being warned by the judge,
Maybe there shouldn't be a judge in this forum.
It's useless if you ignore them:)
The law is supreme commander, there is no friendly forum excuse for any fraudulent actions.
Why are you just discussing bounty hunter, you didn't talk about GM who helps and support cheating and deleted POA ?
I want to know your opinion, bubbalex and jokers.
That's not fair, only talk about the perpetrator and turn a blind eye to the person who helps the perpetrator.
I think you as a senator should make clear rules about cheaters, scammers or innocent people.
Sorry, If my sugestions will hurt anyone here, it's just my suggestion as low rank member here
-baby scream-
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Why are you just discussing bounty hunter, you didn't talk about GM who helps and support cheating and deleted POA ?
I want to know your opinion, bubbalex and jokers.
As I see no cheating because the discussed someone asked if he can take part in campaign with a special conditions before entering how can there be a support of cheating which was not? What was a cheating? Whom was cheated?
If we allow the fraud to occur after being warned by the judge,
Maybe there shouldn't be a judge in this forum.
It's useless if you ignore them:)
Sorry, If my sugestions will hurt anyone here, it's just my suggestion as low rank member here
-baby scream-
Manipulating is a bad supporter in discussions. It's better to give more facts if you have them. Naming judges as useless or hinting on possible bias based on rank system is not friendly. ;)
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As I see no cheating because the discussed someone asked if he can take part in campaign with a special conditions before entering how can there be a support of cheating which was not? What was a cheating? Whom was cheated?
Do you have evidence that there is such a conversation between bouty participants and BM?
Or just confession ?
If you can present the evidence and it's not a conspiracy, I agree, it's not cheating.
Its just BM decision..
Someone should write forum rank not additional membergroup. or an honesty is not applicable in this forum ?
Manipulating is a bad supporter in discussions. It's better to give more facts if you have them. Naming judges as useless or hinting on possible bias based on rank system is not friendly. ;)
Maybe you should reread the thread above slowly and detaily, when a judge has said this is cheating, and the GM deleted the POA, this case is hanging around there is no clarity where to go? What that doesn't mean the judge is useless, his decisions are not respected, when warning cheaters.
if it's not something fraudulent, decide this trial.
1. The GM can remove the POA of cheater or one case that judge warned it.
2. Bounty hunters with potential hero can join the bounty by writing the hero rank. be allowed on this forum, not cheating.
3. bye justice and honesty
-case closed-
please close this thread mnixxo and alltalk :)
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Why are you just discussing bounty hunter, you didn't talk about GM who helps and support cheating and deleted POA ?
I want to know your opinion, bubbalex and jokers.
As I see no cheating because the discussed someone asked if he can take part in campaign with a special conditions before entering how can there be a support of cheating which was not? What was a cheating? Whom was cheated?
If we allow the fraud to occur after being warned by the judge,
Maybe there shouldn't be a judge in this forum.
It's useless if you ignore them:)
Sorry, If my sugestions will hurt anyone here, it's just my suggestion as low rank member here
-baby scream-
Manipulating is a bad supporter in discussions. It's better to give more facts if you have them. Naming judges as useless or hinting on possible bias based on rank system is not friendly. ;)
+4. Nice to see some objectivity from a mythical d teamer such as yourself, not that your rank is relevant here, but it's much appreciated to see you contributing in the general sections again ;D
As I see no cheating because the discussed someone asked if he can take part in campaign with a special conditions before entering how can there be a support of cheating which was not? What was a cheating? Whom was cheated?
Do you have evidence that there is such a conversation between bouty participants and BM?
Or just confession ?
If you can present the evidence and it's not a conspiracy, I agree, it's not cheating.
Its just BM decision..
Someone should write forum rank not additional membergroup. or an honesty is not applicable in this forum ?
Manipulating is a bad supporter in discussions. It's better to give more facts if you have them. Naming judges as useless or hinting on possible bias based on rank system is not friendly. ;)
Maybe you should reread the thread above slowly and detaily, when a judge has said this is cheating, and the GM deleted the POA, this case is hanging around there is no clarity where to go? What that doesn't mean the judge is useless, his decisions are not respected, when warning cheaters.
if it's not something fraudulent, decide this trial.
1. The GM can remove the POA of cheater or one case that judge warned it.
2. Bounty hunters with potential hero can join the bounty by writing the hero rank. be allowed on this forum, not cheating.
3. bye justice and honesty
-case closed-
please close this thread mnixxo and alltalk :)
I'm not sure I understand much if any of this post to be honest, therefore I'm not convinced others will either.
I'm also confused with your suggestion that Judges warned the "cheater" and this was useless. There was no warning by a Judge, there was a verdict by the team of Judges. Note: inverted commas as this isn't universally accepted by all here, such as one of the most respected community-elected Senators of our forum (previous page), as well as others here, myself included. It's clearly a complicated case, one that has also been discussed in detail and privately among the broader forum team here in order to try and find a solution and process in the future for these types of cases. Simplifying the situation or how to deal with those accused of cheating doesn't help here, especially when there is one of the most respected as well as community-elected Senators of our forum who has years of experience as a bounty manager who distinctly disagrees with this verdict. Respecting their opinion at minimum is requirement here I believe, even if you completely disagree with their opinion. It's important to remain open-minded here.
Furthermore, while I was previously in favor of closing the thread once the Judges had convicted the user in question, this decision was understandably overruled by our "BFDL" (as is his right to do so) and conviction reduced from scammer to cheater, and therefore this has re-opened this case for discussion in my opinion. A discussion that I believe is evolving into discovering a diversity of different opinions on the subject, which is crucial for developing a formal process here. I would instead like to hear the opinions of our Judges in response to our Senator, so as to try and find a process that our elected representatives are all happy with, or at least agree on.
As for the GM in question, they have acknowledged their mistake and are learning from this. We ALL make mistakes, myself included, our admin as well. We are a friendly and therefore forgiving forum, everyone deserves a second chance. Although clearly not a third and fourth chance if the same mistakes are being made over and over again. All GMs are well aware of this, as those engaged in formally punishing users who break the rules and fail to learn from their mistakes. I'd like to believe this is possible somehow for those who try to cheat bounties too, and regret their actions, but this isn't up to me either.
This is why the community elected representatives, so these decisions aren't made by myself or admin. I've now proposed a policy change in the Senate to see if we can come to an agreement for the future:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=223969.0
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The Altcoinstalks forum is a friendly forum, but that doesn't mean we have to be friendly with Cheaters.
If there is a member who is proven to have made a mistake, he must be punished, as well as other members who try to protect the cheater, the member must also be punished.
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Why are you just discussing bounty hunter, you didn't talk about GM who helps and support cheating and deleted POA ?
I want to know your opinion, bubbalex and jokers.
As I see no cheating because the discussed someone asked if he can take part in campaign with a special conditions before entering how can there be a support of cheating which was not? What was a cheating? Whom was cheated?
If we allow the fraud to occur after being warned by the judge,
Maybe there shouldn't be a judge in this forum.
It's useless if you ignore them:)
Sorry, If my sugestions will hurt anyone here, it's just my suggestion as low rank member here
-baby scream-
Manipulating is a bad supporter in discussions. It's better to give more facts if you have them. Naming judges as useless or hinting on possible bias based on rank system is not friendly. ;)
Agree. There are a lot of manipulations in that thread, but no one proved that Papa Bear is a cheater. He asked BM to join, BM allowed him, he didn't broke campaign rules. So he is a cheater because real, not potential hero frustrated because he was unable to join? If that was my campaign I would manage it differently, but I would rather blacklist the thread creator, then the punished hunter. Because first one is blackmailing forum administration for personal vendetta and second one just used an opportunity.
Don't fall in moral panic and manipulation without evidence. No one said we should allow cheating, all I say you must prove cheating, not just scream like a baby.
(So glad I'm not BM anymore, as well as not moderator, judge or admin, don't need to deal with such shit day by day)
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Hello dude..
Baby screaming is an honest when he feels uncomfortable with the situation.
Don't blame the baby screaming, but blame the system.
if you feel there is no evidence and not a conspiracy, why only discuss about papa bear?
why not comment on Malam90 deleted POA when alltalk warned papa bear.
BTW if BM is a truth and fraud must be based on BM decision..
I think It is better if this court forum is closed, there is no need for a judge in this forum.
Judge is independent figure, So dont be interevenced by others.
So glad big brothers and senior have shared opinions here, but every one has own argument..
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Hello dude..
Baby screaming is an honest when he feels uncomfortable with the situation.
Don't blame the baby screaming, but blame the system.
if you feel there is no evidence and not a conspiracy, why only discuss about papa bear?
why not comment on Malam90 deleted POA when alltalk warned papa bear.
BTW if BM is a truth and fraud must be based on BM decision..
I think It is better if this court forum is closed, there is no need for a judge in this forum.
Judge is independent figure, So dont be interevenced by others.
So glad big brothers and senior have shared opinions here, but every one has own argument..
If you feel uncomfortable with the situation it doesn't mean the person who makes you uncomfortable is a cheater. I speak about Papa Bear because this thread is about him and he was punished, while in my opinion there is nothing to punish him for. Malam90 and accusation against him is a different case, but I don't see any conspiracy either. I guess they are friends and malam90 helped his friend, but there is nothing wrong since there is no cheating from his friend.
I can easily imagine a situation when Papa asked malam90 to delete his post after being bullied by community.
And stop manipulation, you just continue to repeat about useless court and judges and no one respect them, etc. For what reason? I have my right to be disagree with judges, does it mean I'm capable to change their decision? No, but I'm able to share my opinion, which may be listened or not. This is free open forum, you speak, we speak, but only judges decide at the end anyway.
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I agree with Bubbalex. Bounty manager can allow any users. Like honerable man or honerable rank.
I think that Papa Bear case with potential hero rank is not a cheating at all, I wouldn't allow him because I know a lot of good hero users, but this doesn't mean other manager can't allow him
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I think It is better if this court forum is closed, there is no need for a judge in this forum.
The community elected their chosen Senators by a community vote..
The Senate then approved appointing new Judges.
Judges were then elected by the community.
This was democratically decided.
I'm not going to bother commenting on the rest of your opinions:
[...] you just continue to repeat about useless court and judges and no one respect them, etc.
You want justice but don't want a system that can implement this? Makes no sense...
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if there is evidence of papa bear's conversation asking Malam90 to delete the POA, please display it here as proof it is a friend request.
So that the judge can decide.
Because as far as I know members can request mods to delete posts through the reports.
And if it was deleted when it should in the trash and can be recovered, is it still there?
please GM and mods check it.
if it is deleted too, it means that something is intentionally deleting evidence so that it is not be tracked.
dont judge by opinion because everything has to be proven..
hello bubbalex..
As low rank member here..
maybe people think I don't know anything about forums...:))
It's the time for mnixxo and alltalk to have an opinion and decide..
We should hear from them....the judges
I'm just passing through and have an opinion.
Nice to meet you here, bubbalex and dragon.
ciao.....:)
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Do you have evidence that there is such a conversation between bouty participants and BM?
The evidence is in the screens in your post of June 22, 2021, 03:19:23 AM — https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=219148.msg1195772#msg1195772 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=219148.msg1195772#msg1195772).
When you asked a BM about reasons why he accepted an account with lower rank he didn't look surprised and immediately answered that it is his right to take such user in campaign. There was no data about the badge of participant in your screen in the chat, but BM immediately answered about Potential Hero rank. So he knew the situation and which ranks are in the forum.
As low rank member here..
You are still manipulating. ;D
By the way, mangling other's nicknames also doesn't look good and respectful. ;)
+4. Nice to see some objectivity from a mythical d teamer such as yourself, not that your rank is relevant here, but it's much appreciated to see you contributing in the general sections again ;D
Thanks! I try to stay on top of what's going on. :)
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You are still manipulating. ;D
I didn't initially agree with you that they were trying to be manipulative, but now I get it ;D
I think It is better if this court forum is closed, there is no need for a judge in this forum.
It's the time for mnixxo and alltalk to have an opinion and decide..
We should hear from them....the judges
You can't have it both ways, that's called hypocrisy ::)
PS - They already made a decision + Committee of Presidents have made their decision: no further action. End of.
Thanks! I try to stay on top of what's going on. :)
Ideal 8)
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This is just a comparison of the various problems that exist because it is certain that in various forums there must be something like this, whether it be international digital forums, local forums or real forums in our environment.
I also have a real environment and the stories are also very diverse and of course must have a solution to solve this problem and after the problem is finished then all the residents are back in harmony, safe, peaceful and peaceful.
I'm monitoring this thread and it seems that the solution keeps repeating itself and is difficult to complete, maybe it's not resolved right now but it should be resolved as soon as possible so it doesn't continue.
I don't know, I can't comment anymore because it seems I also have a job in the real world which is very dense and tiring.