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Title: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: sirty143 on March 04, 2024, 03:26:52 PM
Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government

Binance, a leading cryptocurrency exchange, has denied allegations made by a Nigerian government official that it is facing a $10 billion fine. While Binance maintains its commitment to fostering a positive relationship... See more for yourself here (https://news.bitcoin.com/binance-claims-ignorance-of-10-billion-fine-imposed-by-nigerian-government/).

Your opinion is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Stompix on March 10, 2024, 05:04:15 PM
Is this just the fine or does include the ransom for the two executive arrested by the Nigerian police?  ::)

I do wonder two things:
- how comes it 10 billions and not 10.5 billion or 8.78 billions,
- how it should be paid, in nairas or in $?  ;D

One thing I'm not curious about cause I know the answer already is the CZ despite being held in the US has a way better time that whatever those two are having in a Nigerian prison!

Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Mr. Allcrypto on March 11, 2024, 06:46:31 PM
I think the Nigerian government is taking this matter too far, this case have happened before im the time of Aboki FX, and innocent people too where killed, they should easy with all the restrictions they are putting on binance, because more that 70% of the citizens are now in the crypto world and they use binance too for their payments and salary...
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: yhiaali3 on March 14, 2024, 10:57:06 PM
10 billion dollars is a very large amount of fine!!! During my research on the Internet, I found that Nigeria’s budget for 2023 amounts to about 47 billion dollars. This means that this fine is equivalent to more than 20% of the entire state budget!! I am surprised by these numbers.

I understood from the article that Binance is not obligated to pay and it seems that the Nigerian government is trying to find a solution under the table to obtain from Binance an amount less than the value of the fine.

If the Nigerian government, which is suffering from economic problems, needs to get some money, this is not the best way, but rather a wrong policy that may lead to Binance moving away from the Nigerian market, which is a huge economic loss.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: joniboini on March 19, 2024, 07:22:15 AM
Is this case still ongoing right now? The government officer denied that he mentioned any number, plus no discussion took place to force Binance to pay to free their workers unless I misunderstood what I was reading. Oddly, there is a specific number being thrown around if he never mentioned it though, sounds like an effort to shift the blame imo. No way in hell Binance is paying that much to Nigeria if they're trying their best to pay as little as possible to the US. Losing the market over there benefits them instead of pouring billions to pay the ransom.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: electronicash on March 20, 2024, 09:31:28 PM

$10B is too much. AFAIK Binance paid $4B to US for same mistake. the Nigerian government is holding 2 executives though so it sound a bit like a hostage and they are asking for this ransom.

if Binance will not send the money, those 2 executives will remain in their detention center for as long as CZ is not paying up. 
According to the article, they are coercing the executives to reveal the identities of Nigerian Binance users, i'm guessing they are going to get the money from the users if Binance is not sending?
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Stompix on March 24, 2024, 05:36:23 PM
$10B is too much. AFAIK Binance paid $4B to US for same mistake. the Nigerian government is holding 2 executives though so it sound a bit like a hostage and they are asking for this ransom.

At least in the US Binance tried to act by the law, in Nigeria, they didn't give a damn!
The other thing is that the US sees this as a punishment to deter future events, I'm sure Nigeria's government sees it as a much-needed cashflow!

According to the article, they are coercing the executives to reveal the identities of Nigerian Binance users, i'm guessing they are going to get the money from the users if Binance is not sending?

They will try to get them both, after all, if you look at it from a different angle, in the views of the authorities both are evading taxes and regulations, so why not fleece both? And those names would be for sure of other uses too, not just tax evasion, who would say no to such a gold mine?
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: electronicash on March 24, 2024, 09:15:02 PM
$10B is too much. AFAIK Binance paid $4B to US for same mistake. the Nigerian government is holding 2 executives though so it sound a bit like a hostage and they are asking for this ransom.

At least in the US Binance tried to act by the law, in Nigeria, they didn't give a damn!
The other thing is that the US sees this as a punishment to deter future events, I'm sure Nigeria's government sees it as a much-needed cashflow!

According to the article, they are coercing the executives to reveal the identities of Nigerian Binance users, i'm guessing they are going to get the money from the users if Binance is not sending?

They will try to get them both, after all, if you look at it from a different angle, in the views of the authorities both are evading taxes and regulations, so why not fleece both? And those names would be for sure of other uses too, not just tax evasion, who would say no to such a gold mine?


maybe. Nigeria still has a huge market in crypto. If binance has plans to expand more they have to comply. if they are not paying up, other countries in the Africa will also not look at them as a good business partner.

i'm sure those 2 will stay there longer like captives. the 2 executives according to the articles are not Chinese. they are American and British. i guess they are also asking US and UK to share for the ransom?   

Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Stompix on March 27, 2024, 04:53:15 PM
Well, things are going downhill fast

https://www.africanews.com/2024/03/26/binance-executive-detained-in-nigeria-amid-a-crypto-crackdown-has-escaped-custody//

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Nadeem Anjarwalla, the regional manager for Binance in Africa, "fled Nigeria using a smuggled passport," the office of Nigeria's National Security Adviser said in a statement, calling for "whatever information that can assist law enforcement agencies to apprehend the suspect."
Anjarwalla, who holds dual British and Kenyan citizenship, had been detained in Nigeria along with another colleague since Feb. 26 when they arrived in the country following a crackdown on the crypto platform. Tigran Gambaryan, the colleague who is an American citizen, remains in captivity.

Let's see where he runs as both the UK and the US have extradition treaties with Nigeria.
But this thing is probably going to make CZ's situation even worse as he awaits trial.

Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Agbe on March 27, 2024, 11:16:52 PM
 Well most of your comments are correct but some of Stompix comments are from fake blog sites so they are not correct to what is happening between Nigerian government with her agencies and Binance. The born of contention between these two parties is the manipulation of dollar against the naira and that caused the inflation in the country. And by not following the National Exchange Policy, Which is tagged as "illegal transaction". So the $10 billions was imposed on them. And when the two Binance staff were arrested by the security agency DSS, a condition was given to Binance to release the staff which was to provide data of 100 Nigerians who use Binance to the government but Binance refused.

And in the process one of the arrested executive. Nadeem Anjarwalla escape from House Arrest . And now.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/VwIpo.jpeg)
The above image is from one of the national newspapers and it has said it all for the extradition. And this will affect Binance and it remaining official. Stompix you can visit the local board for the both forum to get more information and not online fake blogs. When I see fake news it annoys me.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 05, 2024, 09:29:58 PM
The above image is from one of the national newspapers and it has said it all for the extradition. And this will affect Binance and it remaining official. Stompix you can visit the local board for the both forum to get more information and not online fake blogs. When I see fake news it annoys me.
This all happened and I was not aware of the news, well, dear Agbe can you confirm if somewhere the officials of the Nigerian Government mentioned that they fined $10 billion dollars? As you said according to the National Exchange Policy, they fined Binance such a huge amount. As joniboini stated, no one from the Nigerian Officials has given some number to Binance. I think this $10 billion number is not official because if the amount were official then it would have been made public by now.

Besides, if the executive of Binance has fled custody then its a question on the Nigerian officials, and this can be used against Nigerian officials as well by the country who have given citizenship to that Nadeem. I hope this will not bring any kind of difficulties for Nigerians, as I can assume most of the Nigerians are using Binance and I am glad to read that Nigerians asked for data of Nigerian users and they refuse to give them and now they have 2 people of them in custody and asking for funds. No offense but you better know how it looks. Overall, I hope this matter will solve with peace.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Agbe on April 05, 2024, 10:35:29 PM
dear Agbe can you confirm if somewhere the officials of the Nigerian Government mentioned that they fined $10 billion dollars? As you said according to the National Exchange Policy, they fined Binance such a huge amount. As joniboini stated, no one from the Nigerian Officials has given some number to Binance. I think this $10 billion number is not official because if the amount were official then it would have been made public by now.
Yes it is correct the fine was $10 Billions and Binance told them they are not paying the money and that caused the drift between them. And today news carry that the remaining staff Tigran Gambaryan said  he is not a Binance officer or agent and Binance also testify some day ago that Tigran Gambaryan is not their staff but a contractor and hire him to do some investigation for them so told Nigeria government and the DSS to release release the guy because he is not a Binance officer. And some are saying that Binance will not win the case if they take the case to Nigerian Court because Nigerian judiciary has no knowledge about cryptocurrency and they are not professional. And really I blame the government because they handle the case from the wrong perspective. You can read some information from this links.
https://nairametrics.com/2024/04/04/efcc-fails-to-arraign-binance-executive-as-gambaryan-denies-being-cryptocurrency-platforms-agent/
https://gazettengr.com/american-tigran-gambaryan-trained-70-efcc-officials-recovered-400000-for-nigeria-before-nsa-ribadu-ambushed-him-binance/
Those links will help you more.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Sim_card on April 07, 2024, 01:34:42 PM
Well most of your comments are correct but some of Stompix comments are from fake blog sites so they are not correct to what is happening between Nigerian government with her agencies and Binance. The born of contention between these two parties is the manipulation of dollar against the naira and that caused the inflation in the country. And by not following the National Exchange Policy, Which is tagged as "illegal transaction". So the $10 billions was imposed on them. And when the two Binance staff were arrested by the security agency DSS, a condition was given to Binance to release the staff which was to provide data of 100 Nigerians who use Binance to the government but Binance refused.

And in the process one of the arrested executive. Nadeem Anjarwalla escape from House Arrest . And now.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/27/VwIpo.jpeg)
The above image is from one of the national newspapers and it has said it all for the extradition. And this will affect Binance and it remaining official. Stompix you can visit the local board for the both forum to get more information and not online fake blogs. When I see fake news it annoys me.
What I keep wondering is how did one of the officials of Binance escaped. This might become a big problem for the other guy who is still in their custody, because Nigeria government might not take this issue likely anymore. I don't think that upon what happened, Binance would still pay the money to Nigeria government, because they only have one representative there Nigeria government custody, and not two anymore. It might be that Binance will no longer offer their services to Nigeria anymore.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Lucius on April 07, 2024, 03:59:24 PM
CZ paid the fine in the US very easily, and someone in Nigeria very quickly realized that they had an opportunity to get an easy win, so they pulled their move. Of course, CZ and his company are not afraid of the "Nigerian prince", which is actually a completely secondary story compared to what is happening in the US, and who is to say that some other serious country will not make a similar move at some point?



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What I keep wondering is how did one of the officials of Binance escaped.


He probably walked into the front door of the prison like a gentleman, with a car and a fake pass port waiting for him. Given the level of corruption in that country, such a development is not at all strange.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Igebotz on April 12, 2024, 05:44:12 PM
CZ paid the fine in the US very easily, and someone in Nigeria very quickly realized that they had an opportunity to get an easy win, so they pulled their move. Of course, CZ and his company are not afraid of the "Nigerian prince", which is actually a completely secondary story compared to what is happening in the US, and who is to say that some other serious country will not make a similar move at some point?

You cannot refer the Nigerian government as "Nigerian prince"; otherwise, you are disrespecting the Nigerian community here and the wonderful people of Nigeria. The term "Nigerian Prince" is used to address Internet romance scammers, so you have no right to refer to the country in that manner.

The Nigerian government has a valid cause to pursue Binance, as the Naira has shown favourable gains since being ordered to be removed from the platform. Binance is facing multiple charges in Nigeria. The Binance rep has been imprisoned until his bail hearing application in the following days, followed by his trial on May 5. If found guilty he's going to spend a lot of time in kuje prison

Maybe you forgot that Nigeria is the most powerful black Nation and can imprisoned anyone irrespective of your country's origin if found guilty of breaking Her Law

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One thing I'm not curious about cause I know the answer already is the CZ despite being held in the US has a way better time that whatever those two are having in a Nigerian prison!

He might likely not survive more than 2 years in Prison here  ;D if Binance is not playing nicely and he's somewhat found guilty and sentenced to prison.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Stompix on April 12, 2024, 05:56:54 PM
The Nigerian government has a valid cause to pursue Binance, as the Naira has shown favourable gains since being ordered to be removed from the platform.

Wait you actually think that's why your currency gained against others, because Binance removed the pair from trading?
It had nothing to do with Binance, it's because your CB raised interest rates, just like other countries did to try to flatten inflation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/26/nigerias-central-bank-hikes-interest-rate-to-24point75percent-as-it-battles-sky-high-inflation-currency-crisis.html

In just two months your CB raised the rates by more than what the total rate in the EU or the US is, it's at an insane 24.75%!!!!!
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Igebotz on April 13, 2024, 12:19:00 AM
The Nigerian government has a valid cause to pursue Binance, as the Naira has shown favourable gains since being ordered to be removed from the platform.

Wait you actually think that's why your currency gained against others, because Binance removed the pair from trading?
It had nothing to do with Binance, it's because your CB raised interest rates, just like other countries did to try to flatten inflation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/26/nigerias-central-bank-hikes-interest-rate-to-24point75percent-as-it-battles-sky-high-inflation-currency-crisis.html

In just two months your CB raised the rates by more than what the total rate in the EU or the US is, it's at an insane 24.75%!!!!!

I get that, however as a part-time p2p trader on Binance, I can tell you for free that there was some sort of Naira black market currency manipulation. As the p2p with the biggest volume, some selfish big Marchants purposefully raised the black rate above the CBN black market rates. This is how they forced other traders to alter their rates to match the market movements. It became a problem for the new administration when the Naira was floated and the government stopped subsidising it.

However, the FG went after Binance for other reasons, including tax evasion, money laundering, and terrorism financing. They're requesting Binance to give data of top 100 traders since there have been numerous allegations of Boko Haram receiving funds through Binance p2p.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Charles-Tim on April 17, 2024, 09:26:36 AM
The Nigerian government has a valid cause to pursue Binance, as the Naira has shown favourable gains since being ordered to be removed from the platform.

Wait you actually think that's why your currency gained against others, because Binance removed the pair from trading?
It had nothing to do with Binance, it's because your CB raised interest rates, just like other countries did to try to flatten inflation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/26/nigerias-central-bank-hikes-interest-rate-to-24point75percent-as-it-battles-sky-high-inflation-currency-crisis.html

In just two months your CB raised the rates by more than what the total rate in the EU or the US is, it's at an insane 24.75%!!!!!

I get that, however as a part-time p2p trader on Binance, I can tell you for free that there was some sort of Naira black market currency manipulation. As the p2p with the biggest volume, some selfish big Marchants purposefully raised the black rate above the CBN black market rates. This is how they forced other traders to alter their rates to match the market movements. It became a problem for the new administration when the Naira was floated and the government stopped subsidising it.

However, the FG went after Binance for other reasons, including tax evasion, money laundering, and terrorism financing. They're requesting Binance to give data of top 100 traders since there have been numerous allegations of Boko Haram receiving funds through Binance p2p.
But the CBN and the Nigerian government are not also holy. If there is manipulation, the CBN really caused it as they make naira very volatile. If the official rate is not increasing, despite that the parallel market rate difference from the official rate is huge, it will also not increase. Also that if the official rate is decreasing, the parallel market rate will also be decreasing. CBN was increasingly devaluing naira at the time but they are saying Binance was manipulating.

Just like I have said before, they manipulated the naira to have enough money for this year budget, able to pay workers and they have enough money to pay some foreign loans at the time and later start increasing naira value again.

They increased the naira value and now the foreign reserves has decreased by around $1.87 million in just one or two months. There is still inflation despite diesel is now sold at ₦1000 and as naira has fallen. But I guess deflation is coming. But the government was never holy and they are the main reason behind everything that happened and the government are the one that manipulated the naira rate.

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Let us starts from what is inflation? Inflation is the persistent rise in the price of goods and services. Also another definition of inflation is the declination of money value. So Inflation is the persistent rise in the price of goods and services, leading to declination of money value.  The money is devalued to create a balance so that both local and imported products sellers are going to make profit in a way that everybody will gain. Also the government foreign reserve will not be decreasing and also the government having more capabilities to pay workers etc. So is Cardoso educated as inflation increases but increasing naira value? He turned the definition of inflation upsidedown by increasing the value of naira when inflation in Nigeria increases.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Igebotz on April 17, 2024, 06:16:36 PM
But the CBN and the Nigerian government are not also holy. If there is manipulation, the CBN really caused it as they make naira very volatile. If the official rate is not increasing, despite that the parallel market rate difference from the official rate is huge, it will also not increase. Also that if the official rate is decreasing, the parallel market rate will also be decreasing. CBN was increasingly devaluing naira at the time but they are saying Binance was manipulating.

Just like I have said before, they manipulated the naira to have enough money for this year budget, able to pay workers and they have enough money to pay some foreign loans at the time and later start increasing naira value again.

They increased the naira value and now the foreign reserves has decreased by around $1.87 million in just one or two months. There is still inflation despite diesel is now sold at ₦1000 and as naira has fallen. But I guess deflation is coming. But the government was never holy and they are the main reason behind everything that happened and the government are the one that manipulated the naira rate.

After reading about our foreign reserves a few days ago, I am convinced that the government is burning them to support the naira, just as they are surreptitiously paying fuel subsidies. It is extremely dangerous to burn through the country's foreign reserves in order to keep the Naira stable. The CNB had everyone fooled and was praised for doing nothing but preparing the Naira for a massive future drop. They are working so hard to keep to defend the failed currency floating.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: PX-Z on April 17, 2024, 06:40:27 PM
Is this case still ongoing right now? The government officer denied that he mentioned any number, plus no discussion took place to force Binance to pay to free their workers unless I misunderstood what I was reading.
Yes, more like spreading misinformation probably to tarnish more the tainted name of Binance. Such amount is to huge even greater than US SEC fines lmao, worst is there's no specific details why fined on such amount.
Title: Re: Binance Claims Ignorance of $10 Billion Fine Imposed by Nigerian Government
Post by: Charles-Tim on April 18, 2024, 09:52:37 AM
After reading about our foreign reserves a few days ago, I am convinced that the government is burning them to support the naira, just as they are surreptitiously paying fuel subsidies. It is extremely dangerous to burn through the country's foreign reserves in order to keep the Naira stable. The CNB had everyone fooled and was praised for doing nothing but preparing the Naira for a massive future drop. They are working so hard to keep to defend the failed currency floating.
Cardoso said yesterday that the depleted foreign reserves is as a result of dept repayment.

Quote from: https://punchng.com/depleting-reserves-used-to-clear-debts-says-cardoso/
The Central Bank governor, Olayemi Cardoso, has said the recent depletion of the nation’s foreign reserves was used to settle debts owed to international creditors and not to defend the naira as widely claimed.

But we do not know if it is true or not. It might even just be partially true, which means partially false.

Such amount is to huge even greater than US SEC fines lmao, worst is there's no specific details why fined on such amount.
It was a rumour as a result of misinformation from BBC. The case is still in court and nothing like fine yet.