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Title: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 16, 2024, 02:14:28 AM
There are way too many  mixing services getting banned from bitcointalk. There is a new one now:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63941099#msg63941099

Jambler.io is now banned from BTT, they provided technical services to mixers and are now considered mixers.

It will probably create an ANN here and stuff like that. I think this forum should try to create as much community support for mixers as possible. There is a huge gap for that in the internet.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Tribalchief on April 16, 2024, 03:09:29 AM
There are way too many  mixing services getting banned from bitcointalk. There is a new one now:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63941099#msg63941099

Jambler.io is now banned from BTT, they provided technical services to mixers and are now considered mixers.

It will probably create an ANN here and stuff like that. I think this forum should try to create as much community support for mixers as possible. There is a huge gap for that in the internet.

Not sure if this forum currently has a special board for mixers, but if they do, I think the admin will move this post there. I never saw the Jambler.io ban coming. I read through the article and saw a complete explanation of how well they are related to the mixing service.

Nevertheless, they are welcome to the Altcointalks community. Creating much community support would mean promoting them more often, which has been quite possible but I think more can be done. Let's see what happens before the month runs out.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: examplens on April 16, 2024, 11:33:27 AM
It will probably create an ANN here and stuff like that. I think this forum should try to create as much community support for mixers as possible. There is a huge gap for that in the internet.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised that Jambler's ANN wasn't opened here earlier as well. And without the whole thing about the ban on BTT, presenting the service on another forum is desirable.

As for some of their campaigns here, I don't think that will happen, because their partners are already present here. Plus, I'm not sure how much capacity Altt has for a larger number of mixer campaigns.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: hugeblack on April 16, 2024, 12:12:58 PM

If we take a broader board, such as Technical Discussion, where there are supposed to be more discussions, you will find that the number of topics is relatively small, so I think that creating a Mixers Board will lead to fewer results.


I hope there will be more serious discussions about privacy, perhaps a sub-board under the Privacy Coins Forum or a new privacy board where members can discuss JoinMarket, Coinjoin, mixers, or even some discussion about how to make the mixers better.


so it is privacy or bitcoin privacy board not mixers board.


For example, I gave some suggestions on how to make Jambler better and perhaps decentralized such topics would be better than discussing the commercial aspects of mixers.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: examplens on April 16, 2024, 01:45:41 PM
If we take a broader board, such as Technical Discussion, where there are supposed to be more discussions, you will find that the number of topics is relatively small, so I think that creating a Mixers Board will lead to fewer results.

That board was recently created, and I believe that it will become more active over time. Plus, if someone wants a quick and direct answer, it's easier to go to Btt in search of an answer. This is probably a fact that needs to be improved when we talk about the power of Altt.

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I hope there will be more serious discussions about privacy, perhaps a sub-board under the Privacy Coins Forum or a new privacy board where members can discuss JoinMarket, Coinjoin, mixers, or even some discussion about how to make the mixers better.

Earlier, I suggested that it would be better if ANNs from the services were separated from ICO ANNs or new tokens, but it was somehow understood that they should be in the same group.
earning is a special story.
For example, every reward type, regardless of whether it is a bounty, airdrop or something completely different, has its own board, unlike technical discussions that are all mostly inserted altogether.
At the same time, we have only a couple of contests that are exclusively for altt users.

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For example, I gave some suggestions on how to make Jambler better and perhaps decentralized such topics would be better than discussing the commercial aspects of mixers.

Where is that discussion? I haven't seen anything about Jambler here so far.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 16, 2024, 03:20:11 PM
If we take a broader board, such as Technical Discussion, where there are supposed to be more discussions, you will find that the number of topics is relatively small, so I think that creating a Mixers Board will lead to fewer results.

That board was recently created, and I believe that it will become more active over time. Plus, if someone wants a quick and direct answer, it's easier to go to Btt in search of an answer. This is probably a fact that needs to be improved when we talk about the power of Altt.

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I hope there will be more serious discussions about privacy, perhaps a sub-board under the Privacy Coins Forum or a new privacy board where members can discuss JoinMarket, Coinjoin, mixers, or even some discussion about how to make the mixers better.

Earlier, I suggested that it would be better if ANNs from the services were separated from ICO ANNs or new tokens, but it was somehow understood that they should be in the same group.
earning is a special story.
For example, every reward type, regardless of whether it is a bounty, airdrop or something completely different, has its own board, unlike technical discussions that are all mostly inserted altogether.
At the same time, we have only a couple of contests that are exclusively for altt users.

I think Privacy Coins doesn't fit a bitcoin mixer or a bitcoin privacy service.

PRivacy coin is an altcoin.

I think a privacy board or something like that would be more effective.

The participation in technical discussion is small, but the forum doesn't focus in technical discussions. It is a very small board, almost hidden.

The most visible boards are bounty/airdrop/etc...
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 16, 2024, 03:34:41 PM
I think it's a great idea and +karma to bitmover for that. In BTT there wasn't a specific board for mixers, and seeing that the technical board is a recent creation, and the persecution of mixers and privacy I think it would be a very good idea to create a specific board for them.

Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Freemind on April 16, 2024, 08:25:07 PM
@bitmover I think your suggestion is correct, especially taking into account the moment that mixers have been experiencing for some time. I hope the administrator can create the new board soon and we can move the appropriate content.

If the administrator or any moderator does not have any problem or other idea in mind, it would seem fine to me that you be the moderator of that new board, in addition to some other moderator (but for that we will make proposals and make the necessary decisions).

+1
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 16, 2024, 10:07:16 PM
If the administrator or any moderator does not have any problem or other idea in mind, it would seem fine to me that you be the moderator of that new board, in addition to some other moderator (but for that we will make proposals and make the necessary decisions).

+1

Thank you Freemind. I would be glad to help the forum and the freedom and privacy of web :)

Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: electronicash on April 16, 2024, 11:55:51 PM

i've read the thread in the BTT. i guess  Theymos is being pressured?

its gonna be a big problem for him if he isn't going to do something though. if government is up to get you, you'll be battling in an uphill battle.  rich individual who is friend of someone from the high places like CZ were brought to court, people will understand that Theymos has avoid anything that gets him tangled with the law otherwise the forum will be compromised.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: dkbit98 on April 16, 2024, 11:57:47 PM
I think this forum should try to create as much community support for mixers as possible. There is a huge gap for that in the internet.
There was no such Mixers board in bitcointalk forum and it worked fine, so why the need to create it in this forum when mixers are already visible in Bitcoin services?
Not to mention all the forum ads and mixer signatures are making mixers very much visible.
Instead of making a new board, admin can just rename the current board where they are located.

Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: julerz12 on April 17, 2024, 03:42:17 AM
There was no such Mixers board in bitcointalk forum and it worked fine, so why the need to create it in this forum when mixers are already visible in Bitcoin services?
I agree, there are already too many sections and boards on this forum. There is no need to create a new one for a specific type of service. Mixers fit best in Bitcoin services.
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What I would suggest is to add a child board (Bitcoin Services) into Bitcoin Forum.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on April 17, 2024, 08:30:44 AM

i've read the thread in the BTT. i guess  Theymos is being pressured?

its gonna be a big problem for him if he isn't going to do something though. if government is up to get you, you'll be battling in an uphill battle.  rich individual who is friend of someone from the high places like CZ were brought to court, people will understand that Theymos has avoid anything that gets him tangled with the law otherwise the forum will be compromised.

We never know the truth. Theymos denied it when some members asked him in a public thread. It is possible that he can hide the real information. But, I don't think that he has been pressured. This is not too big a thing for the government to think about the forum. The forum was never directly involved with mixers. Mixers were only advertised and nothing else.

Have you seen what the Altcoinstalks admin said about the mixers? He does not care about the possible threats. I don't think he is from the US. We don't know the future.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: hugeblack on April 17, 2024, 10:40:15 AM

That board was recently created, and I believe that it will become more active over time. Plus, if someone wants a quick and direct answer, it's easier to go to Btt in search of an answer. This is probably a fact that needs to be improved when we talk about the power of Altt.
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What I meant was if the technical board does not get many responses, then the Mixers board will definitely not get any interaction.
Also, the discussion will be limited to promoting or reviewing mixer services, while the bitcoin privacy board will give a broader range of discussions.


Where is that discussion? I haven't seen anything about Jambler here so far.
Not here on BTT.


I think Privacy Coins doesn't fit a bitcoin mixer or a bitcoin privacy service.PRivacy coin is an altcoin.I think a privacy board or something like that would be more effective.
I think that too.

Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 17, 2024, 03:48:19 PM
There was no such Mixers board in bitcointalk forum and it worked fine, so why the need to create it in this forum when mixers are already visible in Bitcoin services?

To differentiate this forum from bitcointalk, for example. Some things that are done in BTT and not in this forum were implemented here, but we don't want this to be a clone of the other forum.

Not to mention all the forum ads and mixer signatures are making mixers very much visible.

I think all that, a new or renamed mixer board, as you suggest, apart from forum ads and signatures can make this forum stand out for people searching for mixers and privacy.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: dkbit98 on April 17, 2024, 10:20:16 PM
I agree, there are already too many sections and boards on this forum. There is no need to create a new one for a specific type of service. Mixers fit best in Bitcoin services.
Exactly, that is why I said that adding another board could only create more confusion, we still have them a lot more than I would like to see.
I am not against having separate board or sub-board for Mixers and Privacy talk, but let's not spread attention in to many boards, better group them in one section that already exists.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: electronicash on April 17, 2024, 11:04:25 PM

i've read the thread in the BTT. i guess  Theymos is being pressured?

its gonna be a big problem for him if he isn't going to do something though. if government is up to get you, you'll be battling in an uphill battle.  rich individual who is friend of someone from the high places like CZ were brought to court, people will understand that Theymos has avoid anything that gets him tangled with the law otherwise the forum will be compromised.

We never know the truth. Theymos denied it when some members asked him in a public thread. It is possible that he can hide the real information. But, I don't think that he has been pressured. This is not too big a thing for the government to think about the forum. The forum was never directly involved with mixers. Mixers were only advertised and nothing else.

Have you seen what the Altcoinstalks admin said about the mixers? He does not care about the possible threats. I don't think he is from the US. We don't know the future.

we'll never know. hope Theymos is safe.
the government will always have the grip on someone with huge influence. twitter is just social media platform but the government tried to use twitter to censor those who speaks though.

if altcoinstalk admin isn't from US then i guess he is a safer. can't remember where the document that i have seen before which the government was already looking into BTT. they mentioned the forum and the tornado cash in that document so maybe they are monitoring the activity.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: examplens on April 18, 2024, 10:00:48 AM
we'll never know. hope Theymos is safe.
the government will always have the grip on someone with huge influence. twitter is just social media platform but the government tried to use twitter to censor those who speaks though.

if altcoinstalk admin isn't from US then i guess he is a safer. can't remember where the document that i have seen before which the government was already looking into BTT. they mentioned the forum and the tornado cash in that document so maybe they are monitoring the activity.
Bitcointalk should not be an arm of the US government. If there are restrictions by a government, then you don't do business in that country.
Just imagine what Bitcointalk would look like if it were to adapt to Chinese laws and censorship, of course, it would move to some friendlier territory.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Jokers on April 18, 2024, 10:49:29 AM
The idea of a mixers board is definitely good and promising but it's not time for that yet. ANN section is one of the most close to the top so crypto projects can be easily found when they open their representing topics. Mixer projects also present in this important section and are visible their enough. Until this section will become really overcrowd there's no need in separating one projects from another. But we definitely will mark this idea in the memory. It is good. :)
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: hugeblack on April 18, 2024, 11:11:46 AM
The idea of a mixers board is definitely good and promising but it's not time for that yet. ANN section is one of the most close to the top so crypto projects can be easily found when they open their representing topics. Mixer projects also present in this important section and are visible their enough. Until this section will become really overcrowd there's no need in separating one projects from another. But we definitely will mark this idea in the memory. It is good. :)


Mixers topics ideas are limited, but for privacy they seem broader. We can think about how to use Blinded Bearer certificates, Zero-knowledge proofs, Mimblewimble, and others. I doubt the number of topics or the nature of the discussions will find interest, as the majority will not be interested in discussing these things.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Jokers on April 18, 2024, 11:18:39 AM
Mixers topics ideas are limited, but for privacy they seem broader. We can think about how to use Blinded Bearer certificates, Zero-knowledge proofs, Mimblewimble, and others. I doubt the number of topics or the nature of the discussions will find interest, as the majority will not be interested in discussing these things.

We still have some sections which are not very popular, so making new sections is not a thing we should hurry with. Some of the privacy topics can be discussed in the Technical Discussion, some in Cryptocurrency discussions, few others in General Discussion. If there will be the really huge activity on this topic with many many dozens of active threads we can rethink it again, right? :)
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: examplens on April 18, 2024, 11:47:53 AM
We still have some sections which are not very popular, so making new sections is not a thing we should hurry with. Some of the privacy topics can be discussed in the Technical Discussion, some in Cryptocurrency discussions, few others in General Discussion. If there will be the really huge activity on this topic with many many dozens of active threads we can rethink it again, right? :)
When you are already present in the discussion about arranging the boards, why, for example, do we have multiple childboards that lead to the same section? For example
"Altcoins Talks - Cryptocurrency Forum  »Marketplace »Marketplace & Bitcoin Services »Bitcoin Services & Altcoins Services" leads to https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=500.0
and also
"Earnings »Signature Campaigns" go to the same section.
Isn't that creating unnecessary noise and making it difficult time wasting to use the forum?
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Jokers on April 18, 2024, 11:54:48 AM
Isn't that creating unnecessary noise and making it difficult time wasting to use the forum?

These subsections can logically be placed in different global boards or main sections, so when searching in a correct board and not finding some can despair and decide that there's no such topic at all. So for some sections there is an additional redirection in other most expected places.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: examplens on April 18, 2024, 12:14:11 PM
These subsections can logically be placed in different global boards or main sections, so when searching in a correct board and not finding some can despair and decide that there's no such topic at all. So for some sections there is an additional redirection in other most expected places.
For the user experience, this is a terrible solution. Going through the forum regularly, I see the same things over and over again. It seems quite illogical to me.
Maybe these would be negligible things if we had the possibility of ignoring/hiding certain boards or child boards.

We, users of the forum should not be victims of better SEO and adaptation for search engines.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Jokers on April 18, 2024, 12:20:59 PM
These subsections can logically be placed in different global boards or main sections, so when searching in a correct board and not finding some can despair and decide that there's no such topic at all. So for some sections there is an additional redirection in other most expected places.
For the user experience, this is a terrible solution. Going through the forum regularly, I see the same things over and over again. It seems quite illogical to me.
Maybe these would be negligible things if we had the possibility of ignoring/hiding certain boards or child boards.

We, users of the forum should not be victims of better SEO and adaptation for search engines.

It's not for SEO, it's for users, so they can find a section in the place it can be expected. You can make a topic for this issue and propose to cut the redirection links you don't like. If many other users will agree with your view on this, I'm sure admin will take it into account. ???
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: admin on April 18, 2024, 12:35:48 PM
redirection subsections are to make it easy for users to find some stuff, so i don't have to repeat over and over where they should go or post
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: admin on April 18, 2024, 12:37:17 PM
a lot of users do not take the time to know the different sections, they want to post where they see fit, these redirections help resolve the issue a bit
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 18, 2024, 03:19:02 PM
I agree, there are already too many sections and boards on this forum. There is no need to create a new one for a specific type of service. Mixers fit best in Bitcoin services.
Exactly, that is why I said that adding another board could only create more confusion, we still have them a lot more than I would like to see.
I am not against having separate board or sub-board for Mixers and Privacy talk, but let's not spread attention in to many boards, better group them in one section that already exists.

I think there are too many boards which are basically the same. For example:

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/04/18/jr3PT.png)

And there are many boards inside those. Do we really need a Ripple board and a ripple news board? A BAT forum (this should be inside ethereum>erc20 imo)

These subsections can logically be placed in different global boards or main sections, so when searching in a correct board and not finding some can despair and decide that there's no such topic at all. So for some sections there is an additional redirection in other most expected places.
For the user experience, this is a terrible solution. Going through the forum regularly, I see the same things over and over again. It seems quite illogical to me.
Maybe these would be negligible things if we had the possibility of ignoring/hiding certain boards or child boards.

We, users of the forum should not be victims of better SEO and adaptation for search engines.
I don't even think those SEO techniques are effective. It is quite the opposite IMO.

SEO techniques, when implemented correctly, they improve user experience, not the opposite. I see that in websites  I have worked.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on April 18, 2024, 03:49:30 PM
Bitcointalk should not be an arm of the US government. If there are restrictions by a government, then you don't do business in that country.
Just imagine what Bitcointalk would look like if it were to adapt to Chinese laws and censorship, of course, it would move to some friendlier territory.

I don't think Theymos has any plan to move anywhere anytime soon if the US does not have Bitcoin (which will never happen). I didn't even know if Theymos was from the US, but it seems he is. His only target is to run the forum as long as possible and avoid every single risk of being seized. He does not really care about what we think about him or about the forum.

It is true that some of us see the forum as a money-making machine, while the admin has a completely different point of view. So, they are not going to hear our suggestions when it comes to risking the forum. What if they transfer the control to Cyrus, who is from Romania?
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 18, 2024, 04:09:59 PM
It is true that some of us see the forum as a money-making machine, while the admin has a completely different point of view. So, they are not going to hear our suggestions when it comes to risking the forum. What if they transfer the control to Cyrus, who is from Romania?

As far as I know  he is the domain admin. While theymos is the forum admin
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on April 18, 2024, 05:47:31 PM
As far as I know  he is the domain admin. While theymos is the forum admin
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius

I know that Sirius is the domain admin. But I was talking about Cyrus, another admin of the Bitcoin forum. I don't know what I heard about Cobra. I thought he bought the domain and later transferred it to Sirius. What if they transfer the full control to Cyrus, who is from Romania? I believe Cyrus and Sirius are not the same person. Right?

Anyway, I am going off-topic again. Since Bitcointalk already banned all the mixers, I don't think they will unban them anytime soon. But if the forum administration changes, they might change some rules. For now, Altcoinstalks is welcoming everyone.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: dkbit98 on April 18, 2024, 08:52:17 PM
Bitcointalk should not be an arm of the US government. If there are restrictions by a government, then you don't do business in that country.
Just imagine what Bitcointalk would look like if it were to adapt to Chinese laws and censorship, of course, it would move to some friendlier territory.
It's easy to say that but they already have all personal and financial details about owner and his family.
Simple moving of forum to some other country won't solve anything, and they will always find him responsible for things advertised there.
Same thing would happen to Satoshi in case that his identity was revealed in public.

These subsections can logically be placed in different global boards or main sections, so when searching in a correct board and not finding some can despair and decide that there's no such topic at all. So for some sections there is an additional redirection in other most expected places.
This honestly doesn't make much sense to me :P
I think this also creates a mess for search engines and forum rating.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Hatchy on April 18, 2024, 09:39:04 PM
It is true that some of us see the forum as a money-making machine, while the admin has a completely different point of view. So, they are not going to hear our suggestions when it comes to risking the forum. What if they transfer the control to Cyrus, who is from Romania?

As far as I know  he is the domain admin. While theymos is the forum admin
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius
I sometimes get confused when relating Sirius and Cyrus as far as I'm concerned, they are two different persons. Sirius has been inactive for a long time. While this Cyrus which is a global moderator and Admin is always active and constantly moving topics to right boards. (Some one should correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe I need to do more research about those two.

Anyway, I am going off-topic again. Since Bitcointalk already banned all the mixers, I don't think they will unban them anytime soon. But if the forum administration changes, they might change some rules. For now, Altcoinstalks is welcoming everyone.
Yea I don't see BitcoinTalk admin altering his decisions soon. Unless for some reason mixers services are no longer disturbed by regulatory bodies I don't see theymos return mixers back to Bitcointalk.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Agbe on April 18, 2024, 10:54:23 PM
We still have some sections which are not very popular, so making new sections is not a thing we should hurry with. Some of the privacy topics can be discussed in the Technical Discussion, some in Cryptocurrency discussions, few others in General Discussion. If there will be the really huge activity on this topic with many many dozens of active threads we can rethink it again, right? :)
When you are already present in the discussion about arranging the boards, why, for example, do we have multiple childboards that lead to the same section? For example
"Altcoins Talks - Cryptocurrency Forum  »Marketplace »Marketplace & Bitcoin Services »Bitcoin Services & Altcoins Services" leads to https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=500.0
and also
"Earnings »Signature Campaigns" go to the same section.
Isn't that creating unnecessary noise and making it difficult time wasting to use the forum?
You have said well. Sometimes I even think of it, what is the reason of all the similar sub-boards. Can't them emerge all those similar boards in one? Such as "Altcoins Talks - Cryptocurrency Forum" can be in one. And Marketplace »Marketplace & Bitcoin Services »Bitcoin Services & Altcoins Services plus Signature Campaigns" con form one board. There was a time I was even confused of which board to locate services in the forum.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: notblox1 on April 18, 2024, 11:40:51 PM
I am supporting creation of new Mixer board, but why dont we create some type of voting to see what majority of members want?
Altcoinstalks forum is making more decentralized decisions and voting is one way for members to show admin what changes they want to see.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: examplens on April 19, 2024, 12:18:37 AM
I don't even think those SEO techniques are effective. It is quite the opposite IMO.

SEO techniques, when implemented correctly, they improve user experience, not the opposite. I see that in websites  I have worked.
We agree there, but apparently, the forum administrators see it differently.
Altt does not come up very often in SE search, perhaps it could be concluded that the current SEO optimization is not giving results. This could be a signal for changes, especially now that activity and the number of visits to the forum have increased significantly.

I know that Sirius is the domain admin. But I was talking about Cyrus, another admin of the Bitcoin forum. I don't know what I heard about Cobra. I thought he bought the domain and later transferred it to Sirius. What if they transfer the full control to Cyrus, who is from Romania? I believe Cyrus and Sirius are not the same person. Right?
Romania is a member of the EU, I am not sure that this would bring significant relief compared to the current situation.

It's easy to say that but they already have all personal and financial details about owner and his family.
Simple moving of forum to some other country won't solve anything, and they will always find him responsible for things advertised there.
An idea or a solution might be created from a simple conversation.
The ownership may also change and it's an option.

The technical side of the forum administration is excellent, but censorship is certainly not something that is expected from Btt.
It is a matter of the legal side, whether the admin of the forum bears responsibility for something that others advertise, and I am sure that there is a solution for that as well in the form of legal protection.
Go0gle already does such a thing, considering that phishing mixers are legally advertised through them.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 19, 2024, 04:30:43 AM
The technical side of the forum administration is excellent, but censorship is certainly not something that is expected from Btt.
It is a matter of the legal side, whether the admin of the forum bears responsibility for something that others advertise, and I am sure that there is a solution for that as well in the form of legal protection.
Go0gle already does such a thing, considering that phishing mixers are legally advertised through them.

This is way off-topic about other forum, but I understand theymos. I don't see his attitude as censorship. I think he is protecting the forum and himself.

IRS FBI etc are chasing criminal and the services they use.

I think theymos is a young man, with millions and millions of dollars legally earned , he is the admin of a very successful forum and website, doing only legal stuff.

He is probably afraid that some of his website sponsor are doing illegal stuff, and that could give him A LOT of headache. He could even be chased by authorities. One of the possible consequences is that the forum could be seized, shut down, fined, etc...

He doesn't need that risk. Specially because the forum doesn't need those services to survive, neither their money nor their traffic.

Maybe I would act differently, or someone else would be more brave. Who knows. But he is the one who is doing the job , taking the decisions and the risks. And he has done an amazing job so far. BTT is really an amazing place.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: hugeblack on April 19, 2024, 09:30:50 AM
As far as I know  he is the domain admin. While theymos is the forum admin
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sirius)

Martti Malmi is a nice guy but he gave up everything in 2013, since ~2021 who runs the domain and runs the forum is theymos.

The technical side of the forum administration is excellent, but censorship is certainly not something that is expected from Btt.
It is a matter of the legal side, whether the admin of the forum bears responsibility for something that others advertise, and I am sure that there is a solution for that as well in the form of legal protection.
Go0gle already does such a thing, considering that phishing mixers are legally advertised through them.

If you back to the eXch post, the IRS read posts there, and after what happened with CM, the forum was keen to cooperate with regulatory authorities, and some customer data was even handed over.

In general, important question is what the forum will do with the reserve, especially since it is more than 500 bitcoins, and several months ago, part of it was moved.
I will create a topic about this soon, but I am waiting for the discussions in the forum to calm down.

I am supporting creation of new Mixer board, but why dont we create some type of voting to see what majority of members want?
Altcoinstalks forum is making more decentralized decisions and voting is one way for members to show admin what changes they want to see.

I think there is some kind of voting, but it is not available to the public.
I think that mods recommend boards to the president and then it is voted on (I am not sure).


If there is a vote, I suggest to make a privacy or bitcoin privacy board.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 19, 2024, 01:13:10 PM

If you back to the eXch post, the IRS read posts there, and after what happened with CM, the forum was keen to cooperate with regulatory authorities, and some customer data was even handed over.

Basically our data you mean?
The forum Handed data CM related? Can you give more information about this? Probably signature campaign data was included with this
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: examplens on April 19, 2024, 03:16:00 PM

If you back to the eXch post, the IRS read posts there, and after what happened with CM, the forum was keen to cooperate with regulatory authorities, and some customer data was even handed over.

Basically our data you mean?
The forum Handed data CM related? Can you give more information about this? Probably signature campaign data was included with this

A few months ago, exch publicly published the correspondence with the IRS (or similar authority) when they asked for the data of their users. These days they did it again, but they asked that their request for data not be published on Btt.
It is quite obvious that they followed the forum and if they asked exch for information at least twice, the conclusion is that it is highly probable that they also asked the Btt administration in cases like CM.

Although I'm pretty sure that they are not interested in users who had their signatures, but owners and managers of questionable services.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on April 19, 2024, 03:36:26 PM
I sometimes get confused when relating Sirius and Cyrus as far as I'm concerned, they are two different persons. Sirius has been inactive for a long time. While this Cyrus which is a global moderator and Admin is always active and constantly moving

I am sure that they are a different person. Sirius (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4) registered there in November 2009 and his last post was ten years ago. But if you check his profile, he often logs in and checks the forum but he does not write anything for some reason. On the other side, Cyrus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147) is from Romania and he came to that forum in 2013 and still active in the forum. Mostly he is active in collectible threads and move topics to the right sections. So, they cannot be the same person. Cyrus is the forum admin while sirius's title is Bitcoiner is his forum account.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: dkbit98 on April 19, 2024, 05:44:55 PM
An idea or a solution might be created from a simple conversation.
The ownership may also change and it's an option.
It's easy to say like this when you are not in actual position to make decisions like him.
I think that most people in his place would do much worse job if defending user freedom in forum, and maybe it would not even exist today.

Go0gle already does such a thing, considering that phishing mixers are legally advertised through them.
g00gle is going to advertise just about anything for money, including scams and phishing websites  :P

Martti Malmi is a nice guy but he gave up everything in 2013, since ~2021 who runs the domain and runs the forum is theymos.
If I remember correctly even theymos also had to share everything with law officials in 2014 after he received subpoena.
He was also accused by other members for censorship before, so it's no big surprise that mixers are now banned there.

Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 19, 2024, 07:34:19 PM
An idea or a solution might be created from a simple conversation.
The ownership may also change and it's an option.
It's easy to say like this when you are not in actual position to make decisions like him.
I think that most people in his place would do much worse job if defending user freedom in forum, and maybe it would not even exist today.

I agree. And the forum has quite a lot of high level technical discussions and technical support.

I think theymos did a very good job in keeping the forum active, with high traffic and profitable. Amazing imo.

Additionally, it has considerable low censorship. You can basically say and discuss anything about mixing there, you just can't link to their websites...
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: dkbit98 on April 19, 2024, 09:01:42 PM
I think theymos did a very good job in keeping the forum active, with high traffic and profitable. Amazing imo.
I am not going to praise theymos for that.
Forum received a huge amount of bitcoin donations, and they still didnt complete development of new forum software.
Compared to AltcoinsTalks forum they exist longer but it's much harder to change anything serious, including boards.
Here we managed to get some improvements and changes with boards and how forum works, but I hope to see more of that.
I don't like that mixer ANN topics are mixed with bunch of tokens and presales.
Title: Re: Mixers Board
Post by: bitmover on April 19, 2024, 10:34:19 PM
I don't like that mixer ANN topics are mixed with bunch of tokens and presales.

I agree... I think there is too much emphasis in the "Earning" board as well..