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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Suggestion Box => Topic started by: Freemind on May 21, 2021, 02:22:11 PM
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Hi,
here I am with another of my stupid ideas...
I see every day how many users with negative karma do absolutely nothing to improve it, some do not even realize it, but most do not care, especially those who are only interested in participating in the bounties, a user told me that when he gets a high rank he will stop posting shit (already warned).
Is it possible to associate karma with increasing rank?. That the minimum karma to rank up is at least 0 or more?.
Thanks to everyone who reads me :o.
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I think it could be reasonable at least for ranks over Member. If someone spams forum and disturbs others a lot it is not good to send a signal that misbehaving is okay in our forum. Being a friendly forum means preventing misbehaving also. IMHO. :)
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I think Hero and above requires non-negative karma, but could be wrong. There has always been the sentiment here that general ranks will not determined by karma, to avoid a karma-based rank system, which over the years I've learnt to agree with (admin's principles). Ideally, bounties should merely enclude members with negative karma, thus high rank would be of no value with -K. This would solve the problem and make the issue of rank less relevant.
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~ a user told me that when he gets a high rank he will stop posting shit (already warned).
It's one thing to make many posts in a day to try to rank up quickly. It's a different matter when you post complete shit to pad up activity. Can you share profile of this user? Perhaps I could dish out -K as well.
Is it possible to associate karma with increasing rank?. That the minimum karma to rank up is at least 0 or more?.
It's already part of the ranking system but I still don't know how it's calculated. IIRC, no details were provided by admin other than online days + karma.
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~ a user told me that when he gets a high rank he will stop posting shit (already warned).
It's one thing to make many posts in a day to try to rank up quickly. It's a different matter when you post complete shit to pad up activity. Can you share profile of this user? Perhaps I could dish out -K as well.
Is it possible to associate karma with increasing rank?. That the minimum karma to rank up is at least 0 or more?.
It's already part of the ranking system but I still don't know how it's calculated. IIRC, no details were provided by admin other than online days + karma.
The user's profile is this: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=80213. I warned him through PM and he answered me what is seen in the report, I do not know whether to laugh or cry.
It may already be associated with karma (not sure), but it doesn't seem to work.
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I think it could be reasonable at least for ranks over Member. If someone spams forum and disturbs others a lot it is not good to send a signal that misbehaving is okay in our forum. Being a friendly forum means preventing misbehaving also. IMHO. :)
I think a forum with much freedom for newbies will encourage growth as many other newbies will tend to register. Also, the forum has a way to combat spam for beginners and that is solving some mathematical problems each time you want to post. Extending for more time before it disappears may help.
As against Op suggestion, if karma is attached to ranking up just as merit in BTT, it will create room for karma abuse.
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As against Op suggestion, if karma is attached to ranking up just as merit in BTT, it will create room for karma abuse.
What was suggested is to prevent rank up of those who have negative balance of karma, it is totally not the same as merit system. And we don’t know exactly what the requirements for the highest ranks are.
As for karma abuse, it can lead to unpleasant penalties, so if some will try they'll get a chance to see that it was a bad idea.
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I think a forum with much freedom for newbies will encourage growth as many other newbies will tend to register. Also, the forum has a way to combat spam for beginners and that is solving some mathematical problems each time you want to post. Extending for more time before it disappears may help.
As against Op suggestion, if karma is attached to ranking up just as merit in BTT, it will create room for karma abuse.
My original idea was not that, It is not about converting karma into the BTT merit system. As you well know, karma is not necessary here for the accounts to grow. I was referring to a measure against aggressive spam that we have been fighting against in this forum (with a lot of frustration) for quite some time, fortunately we have the moderating machine known as @Jokers.
Anyway, the idea received almost no attention as you can see and I'm not sure it was something easy to implement on the forum either.
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~ a user told me that when he gets a high rank he will stop posting shit (already warned).
It's one thing to make many posts in a day to try to rank up quickly. It's a different matter when you post complete shit to pad up activity.
Truly but I guess as the forum continues to grow there will also be at least few good members that would support in the community service of bursting spammers and this is simply to reduce because in a nutshell the merit system in btt didn't really stop spammers though tit reduce it but there are still more spammers and is the job for volunteering members of the Forum to get them.
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Karma system probably doesn't play any role in rank up as here only post increase increases rank. But I don't know much about the working of Karma system but maybe Karma system was invented to mean post quality.
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Truly but I guess as the forum continues to grow there will also be at least few good members that would support in the community service of bursting spammers and this is simply to reduce because in a nutshell the merit system in btt didn't really stop spammers though tit reduce it but there are still more spammers and is the job for volunteering members of the Forum to get them.
I agree. For a few weeks now, with the growth we are currently observing, there are some users who are concerned about the quality of the posts and the forum in general, reporting LQP (Low Quality Post). It is something that I will always appreciate since these users not only care about the quality of the forum, but it also makes the work of the moderators easier when those posts have to be deleted or we have to warn or advise a user.
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I think a forum with much freedom for newbies will encourage growth as many other newbies will tend to register. Also, the forum has a way to combat spam for beginners and that is solving some mathematical problems each time you want to post. Extending for more time before it disappears may help.
As against Op suggestion, if karma is attached to ranking up just as merit in BTT, it will create room for karma abuse.
My original idea was not that, It is not about converting karma into the BTT merit system. As you well know, karma is not necessary here for the accounts to grow. I was referring to a measure against aggressive spam that we have been fighting against in this forum (with a lot of frustration) for quite some time, fortunately we have the moderating machine known as @Jokers.
Anyway, the idea received almost no attention as you can see and I'm not sure it was something easy to implement on the forum either.
Maybe this idea could be implemented in the future. One thing about implementations is that the more things you implement, the more need for moderation. Now that many bounty managers have joined this forum, they will be the ones to help the forum fight spam. They will do this by only hiring people who do not spam or dismissing people who spams.
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Karma system probably doesn't play any role in rank up as here only post increase increases rank. But I don't know much about the working of Karma system but maybe Karma system was invented to mean post quality.
Exactly @LDL, karma is not related to users' rank, but I thought it might be. Karma is a way to "reward" or "punish" a user for the quality of their posts. My original idea was to make a user's rank only grow if their karma was 0 (neutral). In this way, users would make an effort to write posts with more content and quality, which is what a community and a forum need to attract new users. Just an "idea" to try to improve the overall quality. Maybe in the (not too distant) future we can implement something similar.
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It really is the user's knowledge and informative posts that determine who a member is. Karma isn't necessary just to rank up, but you're blessed if others cool off and gift you with positive karma. There is no positive and negative karma matter comments which will be judged by unique members, if members like it they will definitely gift us as a gift.
Our main goal here is to live with confidence, we have lived with this forum for a long time.
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Our main goal here is to live with confidence, we have lived with this forum for a long time.
Unfortunately, many members believe they are being misused, for example making posts by copying and pasting but not providing the source.
Or they are confident like replying to a topic but using AI features, this may be possible but replying using AI tends to be unconstructive. This is my Opinion. :)
After they make a mistake, they are then reprimanded by all the Modz and given -Karma but these members are confident and do things repeatedly with Spam or Plagiarism mistakes.
Many members believe themselves to be strong and have a good attitude towards the forum, but there are also members who believe themselves to be strong but their attitude is not good, that's how life is in the digital world and we have to try to be better at obeying the rules in the altcoinstalks forum. :)
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After they make a mistake, they are then reprimanded by all the Modz and given -Karma but these members are confident and do things repeatedly with Spam or Plagiarism mistakes.
Warning and -karma is just a first stage. If someone doesn't understand what's wrong by being warned, then there are other options, including negative badges and up to ban on posting on the forum. Given that AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum doesn't mean we should be friendly with intruders.
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Warning and -karma is just a first stage. If someone doesn't understand what's wrong by being warned, then there are other options, including negative badges and up to ban on posting on the forum. Given that AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum doesn't mean we should be friendly with intruders.
Ah yes, that's right, I remember the negative badge which had red and black poles, maybe around 2020 and 2021 there were lots of members wearing that badge.
This brand is really annoying, they have been warned but they are forced to repeat the same mistake, this is clearly a violation of the rules made by the altcoinstalks forum.
Never mind making friends with intruders, I don't even want to see them. :P
This intruder behaved strangely and we, members who regularly follow the rules, felt uncomfortable seeing him.
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After they make a mistake, they are then reprimanded by all the Modz and given -Karma but these members are confident and do things repeatedly with Spam or Plagiarism mistakes.
Warning and -karma is just a first stage. If someone doesn't understand what's wrong by being warned, then there are other options, including negative badges and up to ban on posting on the forum. Given that AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum doesn't mean we should be friendly with intruders.
The identity of a wise person depends on his post and tenure, if the user behaves badly or misbehaves with others, he is given negative (-) karma. Therefore, every member must behave in a friendly manner, so we will never tolerate injustice.
If you live long enough with honesty, you will surely achieve something good in this forum.
The victory of truth is assured.
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After they make a mistake, they are then reprimanded by all the Modz and given -Karma but these members are confident and do things repeatedly with Spam or Plagiarism mistakes.
Warning and -karma is just a first stage. If someone doesn't understand what's wrong by being warned, then there are other options, including negative badges and up to ban on posting on the forum. Given that AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum doesn't mean we should be friendly with intruders.
The identity of a wise person depends on his post and tenure, if the user behaves badly or misbehaves with others, he is given negative (-) karma. Therefore, every member must behave in a friendly manner, so we will never tolerate injustice.
If you live long enough with honesty, you will surely achieve something good in this forum.
The victory of truth is assured.
I have read the Op and some comments and I understand the topical sentence or statement of the thread and one thing I will say is that a family of husband and wife also fight, and army barrack, people still fight therefore there is no community in the world is fight drama is free. And this community is not free from fight. Users must have disagreement but it is the ability for them to settle themselves amicably. So we should not expect 100% fight or quarrel free forum here. But we have to understand our differences. If because of the person mode of posting someone gives him or her a -Karma is not advisable because we have different understanding and we can give -Karma to a shit post and spamming poster. And all we have to do here is to understand our different characters and behaviors. And in most cases we have to wear thick skin.
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I have read the Op and some comments and I understand the topical sentence or statement of the thread and one thing I will say is that a family of husband and wife also fight, and army barrack, people still fight therefore there is no community in the world is fight drama is free. And this community is not free from fight. Users must have disagreement but it is the ability for them to settle themselves amicably. So we should not expect 100% fight or quarrel free forum here. But we have to understand our differences. If because of the person mode of posting someone gives him or her a -Karma is not advisable because we have different understanding and we can give -Karma to a shit post and spamming poster. And all we have to do here is to understand our different characters and behaviors. And in most cases we have to wear thick skin.
I agree 100%. The good thing about listening (reading) to others is what we can learn, and that is very positive, the idea of linking karma with ranks was not at any time to do something similar to the merits of BTT. It was a "desperate" idea, so maybe some users could take care and improve their accounts. I know it was a very simple idea, but the number of users breaking the rules reached a point that overwhelmed the moderators.
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the idea of linking karma with ranks was not at any time to do something similar to the merits of BTT. It was a "desperate" idea, so maybe some users could take care and improve their accounts. I know it was a very simple idea, but the number of users breaking the rules reached a point that overwhelmed the moderators.
Now those uses are limited in number while good and active users are way more in numbers thus I believe the Karma system should get some kind of changes. I mean the users who actively make posts on this forum with good content will always get some karma but the ones who don't like someone's ideas or comments can send that user negative Karma without any proper explanation.
I know the Karma system isn't bad at all, it's more similar to like and dislike feature of the social media platforms and merits is something totally different than the Karma. But, I still believe that when things go well then making out changes on time is the way to go and that's why I think admin, moderators, presidents, and everyone should share their opinion about improving of Karma system so it can be a useful tool.
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I mean the users who actively make posts on this forum with good content will always get some karma but the ones who don't like someone's ideas or comments can send that user negative Karma without any proper explanation.
As long as you get much more +karma than -karma and you get -karma just occasionally (if all your posts are good), it's not the real problem, and karma system works good. Of course it is unpleasant to get -karma, I get some rarely and I don't like it also, but I get more +karma, so it is not a real problem to get rarely -karma.
The idea of limitation of -karma gives bad posters and rudes an opportunity to avoid the punishment from community. Karma is a tool for community, not for moderators (I have more heavy tools), not for admin (he has more heavy tools either), but for regular users. And taking this tool away just because it is not pleasant to get -karma once in several weeks or months? Do you like when all the topic if full of answers to the opening post or when there are some insults, etc?
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As long as you get much more +karma than -karma and you get -karma just occasionally (if all your posts are good), it's not the real problem, and karma system works good. Of course it is unpleasant to get -karma, I get some rarely and I don't like it also, but I get more +karma, so it is not a real problem to get rarely -karma.
Yes, that's true when someone gets more +karma than -karma then that user should not worry a lot about it, but of course the online world is improving so I taught that why not this forum? I mean YouTube totally disabled dislike function from videos and now no one sees any dislikes on a video.
If I'm not wrong then I consider karma more as like and dislike thing instead of merit thing that we have on Bitcointalk. The good thing about Karma is that all members can send unlimited Karma without any restriction, but they'll have to wait 10 hours if they send a karma to someone, however during that 10 hours they can send more karma to other users.
Do you like when all the topic if full of answers to the opening post or when there are some insults, etc?
No, I personally don't like to see all posts of a topic as replies to the original topic because there won't be any conversations and arguments, plus sharing of opinions with those who make posts on that topic.
I really don't want to see the insults but if I'm not wrong then freedom of speech should be there and user don't get scared when they don't like something. Because if someone makes argument with a user even if his stance is correct, the counter party will give him a negative karma for that. Which to me isn't a justifiable thing, and such kind of -karma behavior should be stopped that's what I want.
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Because if someone makes argument with a user even if his stance is correct, the counter party will give him a negative karma for that. Which to me isn't a justifiable thing, and such kind of -karma behavior should be stopped that's what I want.
Before asking to remove one of your rights for the sake of safety, did you use all the options can be used on the forum? There is the Forum Court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0) for the cases of karma abuse, so if someone will like to use karma as a weapon to fight with an opponent, he'll face with a punishment. Karma abuse is not allowed on the forum.
I guess you even didn't try to use the option of the Forum Court but anyway want to lose your right to regulate some things on the forum. Sadly.
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Before asking to remove one of your rights for the sake of safety, did you use all the options can be used on the forum? There is the Forum Court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0) for the cases of karma abuse, so if someone will like to use karma as a weapon to fight with an opponent, he'll face with a punishment. Karma abuse is not allowed on the forum.
That's a good reply, but how can someone know who's the one abusing karma? As long as I know then no one except admin knows that who's sending +karma and who is sending -karma and in such case how would a user be able to prove in the forum's court that he/she has received a negative karma from a particular user?
I respect the Karma policies of the forum and I believe it's a good thing to be present on the forum but since no karma logs are publicly available for free and that's why it could be very hard for someone to no that who's the one abusing karma for personal issues. I'm also sure that admin doesn't have enough free time to check out all those members who are sending negative karma.
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That's a good reply, but how can someone know who's the one abusing karma? As long as I know then no one except admin knows that who's sending +karma and who is sending -karma and in such case how would a user be able to prove in the forum's court that he/she has received a negative karma from a particular user?
I respect the Karma policies of the forum and I believe it's a good thing to be present on the forum but since no karma logs are publicly available for free and that's why it could be very hard for someone to no that who's the one abusing karma for personal issues. I'm also sure that admin doesn't have enough free time to check out all those members who are sending negative karma.
If you systematically get negative karma without serious reasons, if you get lots of -karma again and again with more or less okay posts, it can be karma abuse and a reason to go to the Court. Of course you can't know exactly, but as you can see (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317946.0) karma abuses are caught and punished. And this case is not the only one caught these days.
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will implement in next change to the ranking system, soon
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will implement in next change to the ranking system, soon
What do my eyes see...? It seems that finally, after so long, during which I had even forgotten this idea, something is finally going to be done about it.
Before users ask again, no, it is not and will not be anything like the BTT merit system, but rather a preventive measure to try to avoid spam, LQP and more. The best way to understand the idea is to read the entire thread, that way you will understand everything much better.
I'm looking forward to seeing the new ranking system working.
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Because if someone makes argument with a user even if his stance is correct, the counter party will give him a negative karma for that. Which to me isn't a justifiable thing, and such kind of -karma behavior should be stopped that's what I want.
Before asking to remove one of your rights for the sake of safety, did you use all the options can be used on the forum? There is the Forum Court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0) for the cases of karma abuse, so if someone will like to use karma as a weapon to fight with an opponent, he'll face with a punishment. Karma abuse is not allowed on the forum.
I guess you even didn't try to use the option of the Forum Court but anyway want to lose your right to regulate some things on the forum. Sadly.
this truly amazing, because when I migrated to this forum, I always have this thought what if I endup having someone that don't actually vibe my present this forum ( like a hater) that can fight me by given me some negative karma . But seeing this such thought has been cleared from my head now I can gently enjoy the beauty of this forum without such fear.will implement in next change to the ranking system, soon
What do my eyes see...? It seems that finally, after so long, during which I had even forgotten this idea, something is finally going to be done about it.
Before users ask again, no, it is not and will not be anything like the BTT merit system, but rather a preventive measure to try to avoid spam, LQP and more. The best way to understand the idea is to read the entire thread, that way you will understand everything much better.
I'm looking forward to seeing the new ranking system working.
😄 well the idea is actually a bright one , would help in making this forum a better community .(or should I say even more better).
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It's not about being afraid, we cannot live in fear. It's about talking, enjoying, sharing and whenever possible, earning some coins/tokens while we talk about what we like, cryptocurrencies. You shouldn't care if someone gives you negative karma, surely someone likes one of your threads/posts and you receive positive karma, anyway, that's how I see it.
I think this idea can help (maybe a lot or maybe a little) to avoid spam, LQP and useless posts, so that users think twice before posting garbage.
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I do not know what other people think though, but personally, I do believe that number of positive karma is or are supposed to play the major role in user's ranking, alongside the activity score, just same way activity score and number of earned merit is what determines user's ranking on btt, and of course, teleporting users from btt can always continue here with their rank on btt, this is to encourage more experienced users from other forum to join here as well.
When number of earned postive karma, alongside activity score is what determines the rank of a user, this I believe will contribute greatly to the reduction of spam and useless posts, users will be more serious to post useless things or stuffs that will earn them positive karma, which is what they need to rank up.
So, I think op's idea is a good one.
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It's not about being afraid, we cannot live in fear. It's about talking, enjoying, sharing and whenever possible, earning some coins/tokens while we talk about what we like, cryptocurrencies. You shouldn't care if someone gives you negative karma, surely someone likes one of your threads/posts and you receive positive karma, anyway, that's how I see it.
I think this idea can help (maybe a lot or maybe a little) to avoid spam, LQP and useless posts, so that users think twice before posting garbage.
yeah you're right, and also contributing to the forum. Making it a better community where one can gain good knowledge, and fun talking about cryptocurrencies. Honestly you guys actually doing a great work in this forum and as time goes on the forum getting more fun .