Don't reply to low-quality topics, report them to moderator

[Fivestar4everMVP]

This is a very good call, and one that I believe should be spread out all through the boards on this forum, since some, or should I rather say, most users, are not active on this forum related board, and as such, they won't get hold of this information.
I would also suggest that the admin place this call as an announcement to the general forum users on the home page of the forum, like he did with the teleporting and the ALTT distribution announcement, this way, this information will reach a greater number of the forum users, much better than just having it limited here alone as not every user comes around here.

There is no default welcome message for new users while signing up like we have on Bitcointalk (when I signed up) , maybe that could be the perfect page to link this post. IMO

Well, you are right, but then, I don't think the op's message is directly for newbies, though I do believe it can also act as an encouragement to newbies to indeed, put more efforts in trying to create better posts with good quality, as doing so will give them a good standard, and as well, grant them a seemless upgrade from rank to rank.

If the op's message is actually going to be included in a welcome message to newbies just incase admin decides to create a welcome message, then I think some editing to the op's post to make more directed to newbies would be a good idea, for as it is currently, I think it's more directed to already established forum users.

[Agbe]

@MrSpasybo what you say makes a lot of sense, it has happened to me on several occasions, I have not deleted threads because of the great responses, even though the original thread was pure garbage. In any case, users who open threads with LPQ do not care if other users read or comment on their threads, since all they want is to increase the number of posts.

If the Op is in low quality and it has quality posts then the best way to handle such case is to lock the thread so that those posts will not be wasted or their to reduce their activities. And to avoid all that, what @@MrSpasybo said is the best, it is just to avoid shit post. And all those one line or two lines thread are creating by newcomers. This has happened to me in the other forum too. And luckily I posted more than the required number so I was landed on the exact number of the post count.

[MrSpasybo]

Even if people reply to a low quality topic or post and prevent the thread from being deleted, users can still report the OP and get the ball rolling on potential consequences if the user keeps making low quality posts.

I don't feel it's bad for users to post on a low quality topic all the time either as the person who replies may be adding missing info or helpful info to make the topic gain some relevance. So those who read the OP may be confused but gain some understanding or clarity when reading replies. Make sense?

I'm not talking about topics that provide inaccurate statements or questions about an issue, I'm talking about topics that are of poor quality with the signs as I have presented.

I won't quote, I give an example:

Title: Bitcoin's potential is huge
Content: Bitcoin is Gold 2.0

I know that the assessment depends on each person, but to me, this is a low-quality topic and I will avoid replying on this topic. I will Report to Moderator, Moderator can send it to Forum Trash.

Is there way to describe how rank and activity are affected, like calculations of points, etc? If this the case the Trash board should be limited to you mods and admin because we can certainly see anything there and you can still reply on the thread that was moved there or even create a new topic there which doesn't make sense.

For example, according to the regulations on the number of Activities for each Rank^[1], a member needs 1200 Activities to become a Legendary. Currently member ABC has 1205 Activities and his Rank is Legendary.

However, when the low-quality topic, where ABC has commented 10 times, is sent to Forum Trash, ABC will lose 10 Activities and only have 1205-10=1195 Activities, ABC's Rank returns to Hero Member.

The same thing happened when we rearranged the Forum's structure earlier this year^[2].

Similarly, when ABC participated in the signature campaign, he created 30 valid posts during the week. But when 10 posts in low-quality topic are sent to Forum Trash, they will not be counted by the bounty manager and ABC will only receive rewards for 30-20=20 posts.
[1] Everything You Need To Know About Forum Ranks
[2] Drop in rank or activity due to removal of some sections

[yhiaali3]

I think that the blame falls primarily on the member who writes the first comment on a low-quality topic. Most often, when members see that someone has written the first post on the topic, posts begin to follow after the first post, even if the topic is of low quality.

Sometimes it happens that I see a low-quality topic, but there are many posts and some of them raise points that can be commented on or discussed, so I respond to the replies and not to the topic itself.

[Jokers]

Sometimes it happens that I see a low-quality topic, but there are many posts and some of them raise points that can be commented on or discussed, so I respond to the replies and not to the topic itself.

That's right, and that is a reason not to lock this topic is it wasn't decided to delete it. The opening post is just a start of a discussion, then it goes its own way.

And the idea to close the topic just because one post was of low quality looks strange. This idea comes again and again in different topics, but this is forum, this is not a bunch of blogs: we are talking to different people in different topics, and if this topic is not of some exact project there's not so much importance in who was the topic starter, just talk to other people, follow the thread of the discussion and enjoy the communication with others!

[Lucius]

I'm still trying to determine what is considered a low value topic on this forum, so I haven't dared to use the report button yet, but there are definitely such topics and I try to avoid them. What I managed to understand from this topic is that such topics are actually deleted by sending them to the trash, which affects everyone who made their post in them, which certainly makes sense because it sends a message to those who participated in them.

From my experience on BTT low value topics are completely deleted only if there are several posts in them, otherwise they are locked and remain in the board where they were originally posted. I am more in favor of a stricter approach, because this sends a clear message to the initiator of the topic and to everyone who participates in it.

[Freemind]

If the Op is in low quality and it has quality posts then the best way to handle such case is to lock the thread so that those posts will not be wasted or their to reduce their activities. And to avoid all that, what @@MrSpasybo said is the best, it is just to avoid shit post. And all those one line or two lines thread are creating by newcomers. This has happened to me in the other forum too. And luckily I posted more than the required number so I was landed on the exact number of the post count.

I know how easy it is to lock the thread, but even if the OP is LQP, the rest of the conversation can provide good things and a productive debate. I don't think it's good to close the thread with a single LQP post, since after that bad post there may be many that are very good. I guess they are different ways of seeing things and that you have to put everything on a scale to achieve balance. Personally, when I see that the OP of a thread is not very good or is directly bad, I close it, but if there are posts that contribute something I leave it open.

[MrSpasybo]

I know how easy it is to lock the thread, but even if the OP is LQP, the rest of the conversation can provide good things and a productive debate. I don't think it's good to close the thread with a single LQP post, since after that bad post there may be many that are very good. I guess they are different ways of seeing things and that you have to put everything on a scale to achieve balance. Personally, when I see that the OP of a thread is not very good or is directly bad, I close it, but if there are posts that contribute something I leave it open.

Yeah, to be honest, I don't want to delete or lock a topic that has very good quality comments. It's clearly a valuable thread for the community, it's just that it was started by low quality content. Usually, I just ignore and avoid comments instead of sending them to the Forum Trash. I have presented the reason above.

If that low quality topic doesn't have any comments, Moderators will easily decide to send them to Forum Trash and send a reminder to the OP.

Therefore: please avoid replying on low-quality topics. It is also an action to build AltcoinsTalks forum ^^

[bitterguy28]

There is this account that I am following recently and continues seeing creating low quality thread , I don't know if His target is to gain points or giving way for His alt accounts to have place to complete their post counts.

I have reported couple of His threads but dunno if being deleted or acted by the mods .

But with this thread , I will follow your advise and not to engage in that topic instead I will directly report that.

[Igebotz]

There is this account that I am following recently and continues seeing creating low quality thread , I don't know if His target is to gain points or giving way for His alt accounts to have place to complete their post counts.

I have reported couple of His threads but dunno if being deleted or acted by the mods .

But with this thread , I will follow your advise and not to engage in that topic instead I will directly report that.

If you have an obvious case of spamming don't want for the mods- give the user -Karma. The -Karma system was created for such users, this way ability to rank up will be reduced and eventually all his points would be wiped.

You can also report such users on this thread https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=62493.585

[MrSpasybo]

There is this account that I am following recently and continues seeing creating low quality thread , I don't know if His target is to gain points or giving way for His alt accounts to have place to complete their post counts.

I have reported couple of His threads but dunno if being deleted or acted by the mods .

But with this thread , I will follow your advise and not to engage in that topic instead I will directly report that.

I believe that if no one comments on low-quality topics, and these topics are sent to Forum Trash, the topic creator will soon give up the wrong motivation. At the same time, Mods can warn topic creators about spam issues (I consider low-quality topics as spam to shill projects/promote/ref-links).

I also discourage members and Mods for negative Karma. AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum, I do not want to create a stressful atmosphere for anyone.

[Jokers]

I also discourage members and Mods for negative Karma. AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum, I do not want to create a stressful atmosphere for anyone.

Unfortunately it is impossible to be good for everyone. Trolls, spammers and all others who disrespect other users are making staying on the forum unpleasant for the majority of users. Choosing between most of users who are friendly and law-abiding and the total minority of abusers and cheaters, I'm okay with staying behind the first ones against the second ones.

[Igebotz]

I also discourage members and Mods for negative Karma. AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum, I do not want to create a stressful atmosphere for anyone.

Unfortunately it is impossible to be good for everyone. Trolls, spammers and all others who disrespect other users are making staying on the forum unpleasant for the majority of users. Choosing between most of users who are friendly and law-abiding and the total minority of abusers and cheaters, I'm okay with staying behind the first ones against the second ones.

Being soft will create a more toxic environment for everyone. The best method to combat spammers is to give them as many spammer tags as possible, since this will eliminate any negative intents they may still have. The two spammers I reported on my local board vanished after they received the spammer tag. This is how you treat them.

Trolls are not harmful; there is always one or two trolls on a forum; they say crap, but most of the time they do not spam.

[Faisal2202]

I would like to repeat: Rank does not depend on Points, so members can still rank up normally without being affected by Points.

I did now know about it, as you said when you send a topic or comment to the trash section points and rank get affected which I also did not know. Thanks for this information. I also noticed people replying on old topics, but it is a little hard to distinguish which topic is low quality and which is not, because low-quality topics sometimes have valuable comments. As you also said, it becomes difficult in such situations.

>> So if you find out a new low-quality topic, please:
+ Do not comment on that topic.
+ Report to Moderator, you can find this button in the lower right corner of the topic. Enter comment: "low-quality topic".
+ I do not recommend giving Negative Karma to topic owners, especially when they are new members with little experience. I don't want to hurt anyone.

You are so humble to think of new members, as not so many members think about them, instead, treat them as boxing bad (which means try to roast them) Negative karma can become discouraging for new members, a slight warning notification might do the work to stop them making the same mistake. From now on I will definitely report such comments and topics to the moderators. But nowadays most of the topics are new ones, as old topics are not being discussed anymore due to increment in numbers of members.

[Freemind]

I also discourage members and Mods for negative Karma. AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum, I do not want to create a stressful atmosphere for anyone.

Being a friendly forum does not necessarily mean that we have to let the environment become more and more charged by being permissive with some behaviors. Knowing how to be patient, notify, give users time, is fine, but always with a limit, otherwise the forum would be filled with thousands of LQPs. When a user does not heed these warnings and continues to post spam or trash messages, it is best to act according to the rules. If a user really doesn't realize what they've done, they can always request that their LQP or spam tag be removed, but that requires a willingness to want to do things correctly.