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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Forum Court => Topic started by: Fivestar4everMVP on February 19, 2024, 09:40:11 PM
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I was on @IyemRoker (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=summary;u=35711) profile this evening for some reason, I don't remember what actually took me to her profile, but I do know and remember that she was one of the users with most positive Karma, but then, I discovered that every thing turned to zero, i am (with all honesty) surprised, and this is why I decided to ask this after searching through the forum and not finding any topic or discussion related to her Karma disappearance.
What could have lead to all her Karma being zeroed out? I need to know, if not for anything, so that; I and everyone else interested in this will avoid doing same thing she did that got her entire karma wiped out.
(And for reference, she had (I think) 458 Karma previously, based on our campaign spreadsheet)
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karma penalty
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316329
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Interesting.
Looking at the history of posts, the only thing that comes to my mind is that the reason for deleting karma points is that some posts can be interpreted as passive begging for Bitcoin.
So, for example:
But unfortunately, maybe no one will give me Bitcoin, maybe even at least 0.3 Bitcoin, and I can only dream that someone will send 30 Bitcoin to my wallet naturally.
If only someone gave me Bitcoin 0.3 for Valentine's Day, I would hodl it and I wouldn't buy it for chocolates or flowers because I have Bitcoin just like I have assets in the form of gold whose nominal value is a few grams the same as real gold.
If I only had 3 Bitcoins, maybe I would be more grateful to continue hodL forever because Bitcoin is like my soul mate.
Maybe I will pray that this Valentine's Day I want to get 30 Bitcoins so I can give 1 Bitcoin to my child as a Valentine's gift.
This is my hope and I hope it comes true because up to this moment I have never even had 1 Bitcoin, let alone getting 30 Bitcoins.
I just have a beautiful dream of wanting to get more than 30 Bitcoins which I am ready to invest in every step I take in exploring the uniqueness of Bitcoin at any time.
If only I had 30 Bitcoins, maybe I would give 1 Bitcoin to my son today on Valentine's Day because that's probably what I could give to my son. :-*
karma penalty
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316329
Obviously, it is a penalty, but I believe that the OP is more interested in the reason why exactly it happened.
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karma penalty
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316329
It's a quite strange thing to notice, we are still new on this forum so it's something new we are seeing. I would like to know admin that all the members who get karma penalty will be listed or it's a private matter? So this member got the penalty because she abused the karma system?
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Sorry, i did not precise
Karma penalty due to karma manipulation
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karma penalty
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316329
It's a quite strange thing to notice, we are still new on this forum so it's something new we are seeing. I would like to know admin that all the members who get karma penalty will be listed or it's a private matter? So this member got the penalty because she abused the karma system?
It's a private matter, the punishment is harsh enough, no need to add shame to it.
This penalty is because of karma manipulation.
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Interesting.
Looking at the history of posts, the only thing that comes to my mind is that the reason for deleting karma points is that some posts can be interpreted as passive begging for Bitcoin.
Obviously, it is a penalty, but I believe that the OP is more interested in the reason why exactly it happened.
Nice digging. Please permit me to call you Detective @examplens. I'm still shocked by the replies you uncovered. They were both direct and indirect, making no sense since there wasn't even a Bitcoin contest. Every organization has rules that guide it, but sometimes, we don't need rules to tell us that we are doing the wrong thing. It's best to avoid things that might implicate us.
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Actually, there are a lot of them who get this kind of judgment.
This is based on my karma logs
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/02/20/YToSP.jpeg)
Let's just make it in an image so they won't get mentioned if ever they are using the tg bot
The one in common is they are prominent members here, I mean not teleported one. All are in KYC verified group, 3 of them are from Girls club, one is a Jnr mods, and one is an Ex-mod.
I also noticed, in the teleport thread (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=178480.375) at least on the last page, users there don't have any kind of post yet besides on that thread but you will see these users have already karma. I'm not so sure if this is related to this issue too.
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From all I have seen and read here, it is obviously clear that the user you mentioned abused the privileges by begging here based on the excerpts that were uploaded here for sight-seeing, which possibly resulted in her losing the karma she had already gotten. If we are to go by the uploads, then I believe members here find those posts against the forum policy, which resulted in them giving her negative karma.
Like the name sounds, KARMA! Whatever one does always has a way of getting back to them. Always, we should be of good conduct and contribute to the growth and development of this platform within our capacity.
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Can this be multi-accounting as well? I imagine you are going to have multiple accounts to add karma to a single account. I think you can trace the accounts that the user controls.
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Admin did well to have handled that issue that way, because some members may think that with the way the karma system is, they can easily abuse it and go unnoticed, not knowing the implications of that act.
So in all senses, this action is welcome and acceptable.
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From all I have seen and read here, it is obviously clear that the user you mentioned abused the privileges by begging here based on the excerpts that were uploaded here for sight-seeing, which possibly resulted in her losing the karma she had already gotten. If we are to go by the uploads, then I believe members here find those posts against the forum policy, which resulted in them giving her negative karma.
Like the name sounds, KARMA! Whatever one does always has a way of getting back to them. Always, we should be of good conduct and contribute to the growth and development of this platform within our capacity.
Well, I do agree with your input, but From all the information that's being shared here, most especially based on what admin said, the karma of this user, as well as those usernames listed on the shot PX-Z posted here got zeroed out by the admin himself as a penalty for abusing the Karma system, they Karma didn't return back to zero due to other forum users giving them negative karma, if this was the case, then they wouldn't lose all their Karma over night.
Can this be multi-accounting as well? I imagine you are going to have multiple accounts to add karma to a single account. I think you can trace the accounts that the user controls.
Very possible as well, for personally, this idea had once entered my head, I thought of creating multiple accounts and using those accounts to support this one am posting with in terms of karma growth, but I did give it a second thought and later asked myself "All for what exactly?" not like I can sell the Karma for millions of dollars (as it's my goal to become a dollar millionaire), so, if I can't become a millionaire by doing this, then what the essence ;D - after this thought, I completely discarded the idea.
It's very possible that some of them must have engaged themselves in doing this, or even organize a group where they routinely give each other positive Karma, whether post deserve it or not.
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It's very possible that some of them must have engaged themselves in doing this, or even organize a group where they routinely give each other positive Karma, whether post deserve it or not.
great analysis.
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Can this be multi-accounting as well? I imagine you are going to have multiple accounts to add karma to a single account. I think you can trace the accounts that the user controls.
I don't think they are the same person; they have been here for several months or years already than us (teleported accounts), even before the btc paying campaigns so it doesn't make sense to think that a single user keeps doing it just to become active here when there's no huge benefits (monetary) it gets before. All I can think of is karma exchange since its would be a huge help for now that campaigns consider earned karma as quality posters. Or maybe you are right.
It's very possible that some of them must have engaged themselves in doing this, or even organize a group where they routinely give each other positive Karma, whether post deserve it or not.
Yes, this is highly likely the reason.
Edited: Surprisingly, the 5 users have the same registered date :o. The chance of them for multi-accounting is pretty hight now.
August 03, 2018, 09:45:56 AM
August 03, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
August 03, 2018, 09:07:36 AM
August 03, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
August 03, 2018, 05:10:12 PM
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Edited: Surprisingly, the 5 users have the same registered date :o. The chance of them for multi-accounting is pretty hight now.
August 03, 2018, 09:45:56 AM
August 03, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
August 03, 2018, 09:07:36 AM
August 03, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
August 03, 2018, 05:10:12 PM
Three accounts in just 40 minutes... :o It is almost certain that the same person created these accounts. The forum IDs are consecutive, minimal probability of coincidence.
I'm not sure why you avoid mentioning them since it's about the reputation of these accounts, they should know about this thread.
35709 damsix
35710 aiviaa485
35711 IyemRoker
35733 jonathancool220
35735 kent47400
This can have other consequences as well, for example as far as I can see @aiviaa485 and @IyemRoker are in the same Unijoin campaign. I don't know how it will affect the manager and whether there is strictly one account per user in the campaign.
Also, during the selection of participants, the icopress manager gave priority to users with more earned karma, and manipulating this led him into a certain type of delusion that can be characterized as intentional fraud.
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Edited: Surprisingly, the 5 users have the same registered date :o. The chance of them for multi-accounting is pretty hight now.
August 03, 2018, 09:45:56 AM
August 03, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
August 03, 2018, 09:07:36 AM
August 03, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
August 03, 2018, 05:10:12 PM
This is really surprising, especially since at that early time the forum was still in its infancy and there was no financial benefit. In addition, I do not know if the karma system had been created at that time. So it is surprising that one person can create five accounts with no monetary benefit.
The registration date at approximately the same time for these five members raises serious suspicions but is not sufficient evidence of multi-accounting unless the same IP is used.
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There's a chance that this case is highly correlated with this evidence https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317996.0
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Edited: Surprisingly, the 5 users have the same registered date :o. The chance of them for multi-accounting is pretty hight now.
August 03, 2018, 09:45:56 AM
August 03, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
August 03, 2018, 09:07:36 AM
August 03, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
August 03, 2018, 05:10:12 PM
Three accounts in just 40 minutes... :o It is almost certain that the same person created these accounts. The forum IDs are consecutive, minimal probability of coincidence.
I'm not sure why you avoid mentioning them since it's about the reputation of these accounts, they should know about this thread.
I'm not sure if there was any need to tag them here since the admin has stated that something are better kept private and not add shame to it - I noticed they were all high profile accounts from the girls group with quality posts (at least from the ones I've read). Personally, I would say it appears to be a group of close friends opening an account on the same day( got the girls club created for themselves) , as I doubt one person could operate these high-profile accounts.
And for the karma abuse it could be a common group practice - it's a girl the girl club for a reason.
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there are always tags, but some tags only i can see.
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It's very possible that some of them must have engaged themselves in doing this, or even organize a group where they routinely give each other positive Karma, whether post deserve it or not.
great analysis.
I have no doubt from your postulation but I think giving karma to a good post is worth it and serves as a means of encouraging more good posts and contributions as well. I believe admin has control and oversee everything going on here so, possibly that must have warranted his actions as the accounts must have been abusing the karma rules here. I love the way admin handled the situation without any observations and issues as that would have raised concerns here.
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This is based on my karma logs
Can everyone see karma log?
It's a private matter, the punishment is harsh enough, no need to add shame to it.
This penalty is because of karma manipulation.
Shouldn't -1 karma lead to a de-rank? back to lower rank that doesn't need karma
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It's a private matter, the punishment is harsh enough, no need to add shame to it.
This penalty is because of karma manipulation.
Shouldn't -1 karma lead to a de-rank? back to lower rank that doesn't need karma
It is only a one way implementation
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This is based on my karma logs
Can everyone see karma log?
It will be ready for public view in the next few days. Note it's only made by me by scraping the user's profile and checking their karma every time. It will only consist of username, karma received, total karma, and date (scraped datetime)
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It's very possible that some of them must have engaged themselves in doing this, or even organize a group where they routinely give each other positive Karma, whether post deserve it or not.
great analysis.
I have no doubt from your postulation but I think giving karma to a good post is worth it and serves as a means of encouraging more good posts and contributions as well. I believe admin has control and oversee everything going on here so, possibly that must have warranted his actions as the accounts must have been abusing the karma rules here. I love the way admin handled the situation without any observations and issues as that would have raised concerns here.
Well, there was no way the issue of an erased karma would or should have been handled without any observations, at least, this thread is a proof to the fact that I observed it, and that was why I decided to create this thread to find out why or what happened.
And I agree any way, for admin said something I liked when we wanted to know how this user(now users) abused the karma system, the admin didn't answer, he simply said that the wiped karma is already a harsh punishment, there is no need shaming the user by stating exactly what they did.
And talking about giving good posts Karma, there was never a time doing so was bad, you can give karma to as much good posts as you see when you come around them, but what the admin Is against is, abusing it, like Karma exchange and so on.
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It's a private matter, the punishment is harsh enough, no need to add shame to it.
This penalty is because of karma manipulation.
admin, During such punishments, can you disable the ability to give or take away karma to certain users?
If someone is already abusing this system, isn't it also logical to exclude such a possibility for the future, Is this even possible and is such a practice applied?
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It's very possible that some of them must have engaged themselves in doing this, or even organize a group where they routinely give each other positive Karma, whether post deserve it or not.
great analysis.
I have no doubt from your postulation but I think giving karma to a good post is worth it and serves as a means of encouraging more good posts and contributions as well. I believe admin has control and oversee everything going on here so, possibly that must have warranted his actions as the accounts must have been abusing the karma rules here. I love the way admin handled the situation without any observations and issues as that would have raised concerns here.
Well, there was no way the issue of an erased karma would or should have been handled without any observations, at least, this thread is a proof to the fact that I observed it, and that was why I decided to create this thread to find out why or what happened.
And I agree any way, for admin said something I liked when we wanted to know how this user(now users) abused the karma system, the admin didn't answer, he simply said that the wiped karma is already a harsh punishment, there is no need shaming the user by stating exactly what they did.
And talking about giving good posts Karma, there was never a time doing so was bad, you can give karma to as much good posts as you see when you come around them, but what the admin Is against is, abusing it, like Karma exchange and so on.
Actually, I liked the way admin handles situations here. That was why I had to say that he handles situations without you noticing it and if not that you are familiar with that account, you would not have noticed it because there was no issues of creating thread to dig deep into matters that could call attention of people to start dragging feet and I believe the account holders too know their offense so they decided to go mute so as not to attract attention to themselves otherwise the issue would be more than they could comprehend.
I can not say any much further as the admin has the final say in any offense that is perpetrated on the platform by members who feels they can do what ever they want and get away with it just like that.
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admin, During such punishments, can you disable the ability to give or take away karma to certain users?
Yes, he can if he will consider it as the best decision. There are several users on the forum which are in the group of those who can't change other's karma. But the final decision is on admin.
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a karma penalty by default removes the karma granting ability.
on top of that, i execute an additional punishment:
- Reset karma or significantly reduce karma
- Significantly reduce points
- Freeze the account from changing posts, in case account suspected to be multiaccount, and there is ongoing investigation.
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a karma penalty by default removes the karma granting ability.
on top of that, i execute an additional punishment:
- Reset karma or significantly reduce karma
- Significantly reduce points
- Freeze the account from changing posts, in case account suspected to be multiaccount, and there is ongoing investigation.
These penalties as listed are very much alright and I think it would be very much effective as they are in full force on the platform.
If anyone is found wanting should be made to understand how it feels to abuse the karma or a laid down rules governing a platform.
Although I have created something of this nature before now as a topic and possibly you might not have seen it so I had to bring it up here.. please forgive my ignorance as I desire to hear from you with respect to this opinion.
Can it be possible to see how many karma a topic, comment or post received?
The karma can be at the top of such post in brackets open and close so that members can keep track of the particular posts that gave them the karma and possibly see a way to improve better on it. Seeing a post that received karma gives a sense of satisfaction and a job weldone. I believe you understand my point here. But however, it is still an opinion which I believe other members too would be hoping to see it in the near future.
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The removal of all Karma must be scary for the users who are abusing karma between them. I was checking to see the exchange details of karma of my profile, could not find any details, I tried it on some other profiles too.
My question is, if I can not see who exchanged karma between each others then how would I know there was an abuse. I am sure I am missing something.
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My question is, if I can not see who exchanged karma between each others then how would I know there was an abuse. I am sure I am missing something.
If you have some systematic -karma, if your get too much -karma and there's no good reasons for that, it can be an abuse and you can ask admin to check.
If some user gets too much karma too fast with mostly low quality posts, it also can be an abuse. admin can check.
Once caught, the abuser will get different unpleasant penalties, better not to abuse karma system. :)
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My question is, if I can not see who exchanged karma between each others then how would I know there was an abuse. I am sure I am missing something.
If you have some systematic -karma, if your get too much -karma and there's no good reasons for that, it can be an abuse and you can ask admin to check.
If some user gets too much karma too fast with mostly low quality posts, it also can be an abuse. admin can check.
Once caught, the abuser will get different unpleasant penalties, better not to abuse karma system. :)
Sorry to say, but I personally think the karma system is too centralized, and I want to think or believe that we have more than one person behind the admin account, for if actually it's just one person, I am definitely not wishing the admin any evil, but my people have this saying that "when we prepare for good, we should also prepare for the worst just incase", so, in this regard, I wanna ask, what if anything, good or bad happens that made the admin not to come online or have access to internet for some time, maybe 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, 6 months, or even a year, does it mean the forum operations will be automatically halted?
Like for example, family traval and vacations, business trips, an accident, health issues, retirement (well, should not include retirement since this can be prepared for, and admin can hand over the forum management to another worthy candidate), but what about other possible emergencies I mentioned, and some other possible ones I forgot to?
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Sorry to say, but I personally think the karma system is too centralized, and I want to think or believe that we have more than one person behind the admin account, for if actually it's just one person, I am definitely not wishing the admin any evil, but my people have this saying that "when we prepare for good, we should also prepare for the worst just incase", so, in this regard, I wanna ask, what if anything, good or bad happens that made the admin not to come online or have access to internet for some time, maybe 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, 6 months, or even a year, does it mean the forum operations will be automatically halted?
Like for example, family traval and vacations, business trips, an accident, health issues, retirement (well, should not include retirement since this can be prepared for, and admin can hand over the forum management to another worthy candidate), but what about other possible emergencies I mentioned, and some other possible ones I forgot to?
The karma system is not centralized, since as I assume you know, any user from Sr. Member onwards can use it, there are 1,260 registered users on this forum who meet the requirements I mentioned, so I think the karma system is quite decentralized. I honestly don't know what makes you think otherwise.
I think that among all the possibilities that you have mentioned, you have forgotten about the meteorite that destroys humanity and that could reach Earth at any moment, or about a possible war between machines and humans, or... What Internet failure can last a year?. Don't you think you're taking things to extremes that don't make any sense?. Relax a little.
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Sorry to say, but I personally think the karma system is too centralized, and I want to think or believe that we have more than one person behind the admin account, for if actually it's just one person, I am definitely not wishing the admin any evil, but my people have this saying that "when we prepare for good, we should also prepare for the worst just incase", so, in this regard, I wanna ask, what if anything, good or bad happens that made the admin not to come online or have access to internet for some time, maybe 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, 6 months, or even a year, does it mean the forum operations will be automatically halted?
Like for example, family traval and vacations, business trips, an accident, health issues, retirement (well, should not include retirement since this can be prepared for, and admin can hand over the forum management to another worthy candidate), but what about other possible emergencies I mentioned, and some other possible ones I forgot to?
The karma system is not centralized, since as I assume you know, any user from Sr. Member onwards can use it, there are 1,260 registered users on this forum who meet the requirements I mentioned, so I think the karma system is quite decentralized. I honestly don't know what makes you think otherwise.
I think that among all the possibilities that you have mentioned, you have forgotten about the meteorite that destroys humanity and that could reach Earth at any moment, or about a possible war between machines and humans, or... What Internet failure can last a year?. Don't you think you're taking things to extremes that don't make any sense?. Relax a little.
I think in my own understanding why Fivestar4everMVP is saying that the Karma system is centralized is because it is only few people know what is going on in the karma system and the karma system is not transparent. And karma becomes a hide and seek game in the forum. Fivestar4everMVP one thing you have to know domain, if every is set and the storage is bit enough to accommodate enough data then the system can run for a very long time and you can only check the server when the due date to pay or renew the server has come. And another thing is that nobody runs this kind of big project and run it alone. Therefore if emergency comes to the admin, he would inform one of his staff that can check the place very well for the admin. And that is why it a working term.
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Sorry to say, but I personally think the karma system is too centralized, and I want to think or believe that we have more than one person behind the admin account, for if actually it's just one person, I am definitely not wishing the admin any evil, but my people have this saying that "when we prepare for good, we should also prepare for the worst just incase", so, in this regard, I wanna ask, what if anything, good or bad happens that made the admin not to come online or have access to internet for some time, maybe 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, 6 months, or even a year, does it mean the forum operations will be automatically halted?
Like for example, family traval and vacations, business trips, an accident, health issues, retirement (well, should not include retirement since this can be prepared for, and admin can hand over the forum management to another worthy candidate), but what about other possible emergencies I mentioned, and some other possible ones I forgot to?
Trust me, there is always a backup I am confident that two or three members have access to the domain, and if the present admin is unable to continue with the project, someone else will. the is a forum with a lot of secrets, ( Ranking requirements is hidden too) and things like these are kept private for security reasons.
Months of internet blackout? Come on, the admin doesn't live under a rock ;D(even someone under a rock can still access the Internet nowadays).
The karma system here is identical to that of Reddit; you can't identify who + or - you, and it works nicely except for the tremendous abuse, which is uncontrollable on Reddit and has been going on for a long time. Several bot accounts are created with the intention of exploiting the karma system and other shits.
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I think in my own understanding why Fivestar4everMVP is saying that the Karma system is centralized is because it is only few people know what is going on in the karma system and the karma system is not transparent. And karma becomes a hide and seek game in the forum. Fivestar4everMVP one thing you have to know domain, if every is set and the storage is bit enough to accommodate enough data then the system can run for a very long time and you can only check the server when the due date to pay or renew the server has come. And another thing is that nobody runs this kind of big project and run it alone. Therefore if emergency comes to the admin, he would inform one of his staff that can check the place very well for the admin. And that is why it a working term.
You might be right, it's a different way to interpret that post. In any case, the karma system will remain the same as it has been until now, because otherwise, if all information were public, instead of a forum it would become a circus. I know some users are curious or even afraid (something I'll never understand) about karma, but just as the admin is open to new proposals to make the forum more user-friendly, users need to understand that there are things that are best left unchanged.