Karma system of ATT verses Merit system of BTT

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Hi ladies and gentlemen of Altcoinstalks..

I was thinking about something this afternoon, and l thought it did be something nice for us to discuss here, so, I am bringing up this thread in respect to that.

First, do not see this as a comparison to bitcointalk, for bitcointalk will remain bitcointalk and Altcoinstalks will remain Altcoinstalks, as far as I know, there is no competition between the two forums.
So, what I am asking on this thread is simply for fun based on our individual experiences with both forums.

Now, there is no debate on the fact that many of us here (most active ones actually) have account on both forums, (BTT and ATT) and as such, we all have experienced the BTT merit system and also have experienced ATT karma system, and the question is simple.

1. Between the merit system on BTT and karma system on ATT, which do you like or prefer the most based in your experience with both forums?

2. Which of this systems do you think is more easier to abuse?
   - Remember, users bought and sold Merits on BTT like it's a commodity, and this still happens even till date - thanks to the users on the forum who catch this merit traders and negative tag them.

- And here on ATT, some users can easily come together to form a Karma club, routinely karma-ing themselves - but thanks to the admin who see all this from the back-end and always ready to purnish offenders.

Remember again, the purpose of this thread, and keep your comments adhered to it, and also on topic.

[Faisal2202]

1. Between the merit system on BTT and karma system on ATT, which do you like or prefer the most based in your experience with both forums?

I prefer karma because you can give karma without the tension of first getting karma first, like in order to give merits we have to get merits first. As sometimes on BTT I have to give merits to someone to appreciate his/her help, contribution but due to no smerits I am unable to appreciate but here on ALTT (BTW you prounce it as ATT) I can easily give karma to anyone I want, but no doubt here is 10 hour time limit but that's ok.

2. Which of this systems do you think is more easier to abuse?
   - Remember, users bought and sold Merits on BTT like it's a commodity, and this still happens even till date - thanks to the users on the forum who catch this merit traders and negative tag them.
- And here on ATT, some users can easily come together to form a Karma club, routinely karma-ing themselves - but thanks to the admin who see all this from the back-end and always ready to purnish offenders.

I understood your point and in my opinion in terms of easiness karma is more easy to abuse, because we don't have to work so much, we only have to set a karma club (hahah, BTW is there any) and we get karma, but on BTT we have to get merits and earning merits and then sharing with other is seems to be a hard task in compared to the karma abusing. But what good in that, if you know at the end you are going to be caught by the admins. Be legit and grow fast.

[yhiaali3]

Both systems have disadvantages and advantages. In the merit system on Bitcoin Talk, you get merit thanks to your good posts and you can only give half of what you get to others. This is good for keeping the forum clean and not abusing the system because you will give merit to whoever deserves it only because you do not have a lot of it. But it is bad in that you sometimes read a good post, but you cannot give merit because you lack merit.

In the Altcoin forum, you can easily give karma to any post you want. This is good in that you have karma at any time and you do not need to earn karma first, but at the same time it can be abused by exchanging positive karma or giving negative karma to a member as a result of personal disagreements.

[hugeblack]

Frankly, I do not understand the karma system here, but I was a BTT merit source since 2018 and I noticed what the level of spam was before and after the merit system. It is true that the system is not perfect, but it did what was required of it by reducing spam to a reasonable extent.

Note that: It is not possible to run a forum strictly and without spam and expect that there will be continuous growth in the user database, so the merit system has succeeded to some extent.

As for the forum, the karma system does not aim to limit spam, otherwise there would be karma sources, but it is among other mechanisms to enhance the quality of posts, as it is necessary for advancement, and I do not think that advancement is important in the forum, especially since the same profits can be achieved starting from the SRmember rank.

[Jokers]

As for the forum, the karma system does not aim to limit spam

You forget about -karma. Many after BTT are afraid of that karma can be decreased and that option can be abused, but it is an important tool for regulation the quality of posts. It to use it wisely, there will be much less pointless posts, because increasing posts number while decreasing karma is pointless.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

You forget about -karma. Many after BTT are afraid of that karma can be decreased and that option can be abused, but it is an important tool for regulation the quality of posts. It to use it wisely, there will be much less pointless posts, because increasing posts number while decreasing karma is pointless.

Well, in this case I think it can make the discussions less genuine to avoid having your karma taken away. If the -karma (or -merit) option isn't there, if you disagree with someone, if you think what they say is rubbish you're going to tell them. With the -karma option I think you will at least choose your words enough to avoid being penalised.

I agree that both systems, karma and merit, have their advantages and disadvantages. One that I like about the merit system is that it's public for everyone, and if you see something weird you can open a thread for everyone to comment on. Here the karma monitoring depends on one person, the admin, if I remember correctly, and no matter how capable he is and how much effort he puts into it, it's easier for things to slip through the cracks.

[Jokers]

Well, in this case I think it can make the discussions less genuine to avoid having your karma taken away. If the -karma (or -merit) option isn't there, if you disagree with someone, if you think what they say is rubbish you're going to tell them. With the -karma option I think you will at least choose your words enough to avoid being penalised.

AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum and we expect that our users will try to avoid being rude with others. But if others just disagree with someone's stance, the most will never give -karma just for that. So if you will think about it just as idea of balance, it is okay when you get more +karma than rare -karma. So some sporadic contradictions even with -karma shouldn't be considered as a problem. And any systematic attacks on someone just because not liking him is the abuse of the system, so will end up with restoring incorrectly decreased karma and penalties for an abuser.

So no need to be afraid talking as long as you stay friendly. Other users are friendly as well and tend to give +karma much more often than -karma. And different spammers, intruders, low quality posters, those who write pointless things just to reach quota and others like that will think twice, because they'll hardly get many +karma and very likely get -karma from different users for bad posts.

[Lucius]

Frankly, I do not understand the karma system here, but I was a BTT merit source from 2018 and I noticed what the level of spam was before and after the merit system. It is true that the system is not perfect, but it did what was required of it by reducing spam to a reasonable extent.
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Many who came from BTT still think that karma and merits are one and the same, but one of the important differences is that all those who are Sr.Member + members have an unlimited number of "karma points", which is a big difference compared to BTT where there are about 100+ members who are merit sources, and they also have a limited number of sMerits every month.

How much better/worse this system is than the one with BTT is difficult for me to say at the moment, but what I noticed is that the "generosity" in terms of karma is much less than with merits.

[yahoo62278]

Hi ladies and gentlemen of Altcoinstalks..

I was thinking about something this afternoon, and l thought it did be something nice for us to discuss here, so, I am bringing up this thread in respect to that.

First, do not see this as a comparison to bitcointalk, for bitcointalk will remain bitcointalk and Altcoinstalks will remain Altcoinstalks, as far as I know, there is no competition between the two forums.
So, what I am asking on this thread is simply for fun based on our individual experiences with both forums.

Now, there is no debate on the fact that many of us here (most active ones actually) have account on both forums, (BTT and ATT) and as such, we all have experienced the BTT merit system and also have experienced ATT karma system, and the question is simple.

1. Between the merit system on BTT and karma system on ATT, which do you like or prefer the most based in your experience with both forums?

2. Which of this systems do you think is more easier to abuse?
   - Remember, users bought and sold Merits on BTT like it's a commodity, and this still happens even till date - thanks to the users on the forum who catch this merit traders and negative tag them.

- And here on ATT, some users can easily come together to form a Karma club, routinely karma-ing themselves - but thanks to the admin who see all this from the back-end and always ready to purnish offenders.

Remember again, the purpose of this thread, and keep your comments adhered to it, and also on topic.

Both systems could be abused, but the admin here some to be more open to looking in to an issue vs bitcointalk where it takes months to get anything done.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

1. Between the merit system on BTT and karma system on ATT, which do you like or prefer the most based in your experience with both forums?

Anything like of dislike all depends on getting used to it. I still have a long road ahead to get used to with Karma. But I am sure it won't take much longer.

Which of this systems do you think is more easier to abuse?

When there are proper surveillance from the community then it's not easy to abuse, I mean both. On bitcointalk forum members are very active to catch abuse but I am not sure how Karma tracing works. If everything is open like Merits then it won't be easy to abuse.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

1. Between the merit system on BTT and karma system on ATT, which do you like or prefer the most based in your experience with both forums?

2. Which of this systems do you think is more easier to abuse?

Karma is for the altcoin talk forum, which is obviously a good development used to appreciate a member's positive posts, while merit is also a very nice development for the bitcoin talk forum, which is still used to appreciate a member's quality posts. comprise, karma, and merit, are serving the same purpose on different forums. Bitcoin Talk would not have adopted karma from Altcoin Talk, and vice versa; it would have looked like they were obviously cloning similar features. OP, just allow this one to slide. Between karma and merit, i don't like anyone less; I like both equally because they are serving the same purpose on different platforms.

Both systems (karma and merit) are very easy to abuse. On the Bitcoin Talk forum, merit abuse is usually taking place by some members, and even on the forum here, karma abuse is very possible, but I have not yet seen any thread for such cases of karma abuse here.

[kulkhan]

Merit is for Bitcointalk and Karma is for Altcointalk Both are given for good and informative post. I think Merit and Karma both are given for same purpose. It is good system for both Forum. But we have to more careful to give it.

Because Karma is too earlier then Merit i think. When a person give a Merit then he know when he will give a Merit then everyone can see it, So randomly give or low quality post give Merit is difficult. And if anyone want to give Merit at first he have to achieve Merit at first.

On the Otherhand Karma on Altcointalk is earlier till now. Because now no one cannot see who are given karma. And Above Full member rank can give merit easily. No one can see it.

[PX-Z]

I like it here better, but the time restrictions ruined it all. I don't care too who give karma we just need where it was given, i'm talking about the karma the same on reddit which i always like. While in btt since merit required for ranking up, it makes the ranking more hard that it forces user to make quality and informative post which is the good part, while schemes are always there, merit buying/selling, exchange, you named it.

[bitterguy28]

can't we accept the reality that this is different forum and they have their own uniqueness .

But I have seen how Merit in Bitcointalk have been abused and I also experienced being abused by receiving karma in my first day here lol .

so for me nothing is better not unless it is being monitored and not being abused .

[bayu7adi]

Both have their respective advantages, and up to now I think such implementation depends on the culture in the forum. For forums with light discussions, the karma system is more suitable to be implemented. The most important thing is that the forum is still running and its existence can be maintained. The advantage of the karma system is that I can give 1 positive karma to anyone without any restrictions. It's easier to appreciate every positive post here when learning about cryptocurrency.