My suggestion for negative karma

[SamReomo]

I have received negative karma a few times and whenever I receive a negative karma I feel that what I have done wrong that someone sent me a negative karma? I often avoid the negative karma thing and keep posting because getting dishearten from negative karma doesn't makes sense to me. However, today I have seen the thread of yahoo62278 where he mentioned that he also got a negative karma and that's why I decided to make this thread as a suggestion to admin to do something about that negative karma.

Most of the members who moved from Bitcointalk to this forum feel bad when they receive negative karma without any reason and the worst thing is that they don't even know who sent them that negative karma and why. I suggest admin of the forum to think about the negative karma thing. My suggestion is to only allow moderators or high authority members to send negative karma and if they send any negative karma then they should also explain the reason for sending that negative karma.

I think that way so many members will be saved from receiving negative karma without any reason. Another suggestion is to completely remove the negative karma thing and only allow positive karma. If someone makes a good post which another member likes then that member can send positive karma to the post. I hope other members of the forum will also support this suggestion because it's going to be helpful for the forum and for all the members of the forum. I would also like to hear thoughts of those who also received negative karma even if they are making good posts.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Look, I was going to open a thread on the subject but while we're at it I'll say what I was going to say in this one. For me, negative karma will have two main consequences:

1) People will have less genuine discussions, daring less to criticise so as not to receive negative karma. Negative karma = less money, and we know how that affects behaviour.

2) I think more drama will be avoided precisely because of this.

I suggest admin of the forum to think about the negative karma thing. My suggestion is to only allow moderators or high authority members to send negative karma and if they send any negative karma then they should also explain the reason for sending that negative karma.

I agree 100% on this.

[Cantsay]

Sorry to say, but is this thread really necessary? I noticed that you made post in both threads that has to do with karma complaints, meaning you could have easily made your suggestion there without having to open a new one. But I guess this will also serve a purpose.

I suggest admin of the forum to think about the negative karma thing. My suggestion is to only allow moderators or high authority members to send negative karma and if they send any negative karma then they should also explain the reason for sending that negative karma.

A great suggestion has already being provided in the previous thread by @bitmover - make the stat of the karma known for a post without displaying who sent them.  This should help us know what post is not being appreciated here so that we can stop sharing them and also to know if someone is abusing their privilege to give negative karma.

[Jokers]

We all know many bad posting habits are popular on the BTT because leaving a negative tag for it is too much and there's no negative merits.

Like answering the first post weeks and months ago on the 3d page and beyond, like answering the same thing was answered on the same page multiple times and other way ignoring the thread of the discussion what makes any discussion harder and less consecutive.

Like insulting someone else without any serious reason.

Like many other annoying things.

-karma helps to fight with these bad habits not involving moderation or harder penalties. And it works good enough. Some newbies who got a lot of -karma in the very beginning improve their behavior. You get -karma? Are you sure you are not doing anything bad? As for the topic starter, he has a habit of answering the first post on the 3d page... I didn't give him -karma for that but if anyone will, I think it will be a deserved -karma.

[SamReomo]

Sorry to say, but is this thread really necessary? I noticed that you made post in both threads that has to do with karma complaints, meaning you could have easily made your suggestion there without having to open a new one. But I guess this will also serve a purpose.

Yes, this thread was necessary because via this thread many people can see my suggestions and if they like those suggestion then they can agree with those, in those threads I posted because I was affected by negative karma and somehow karma was in my mind most of the time, that's why I also thought that I should create a thread to know what others think about my suggestions and if they're good enough then admin might implement those into the forum.

A great suggestion has already being provided in the previous thread by @bitmover - make the stat of the karma known for a post without displaying who sent them.  This should help us know what post is not being appreciated here so that we can stop sharing them and also to know if someone is abusing their privilege to give negative karma.

Bitmover is a quite reputed member and I respect him and his suggestions a lot. He's also done so much for us by making the scripts and bots. However, I believe my suggestion can be easily implemented because it's much easy for admin to set rules which will allow only moderators to high authority members to send negative karma than adding the stats thing.

I know stats thing is much better than my suggestion and I respect Bitmover's suggestion but we all know that admin is quite bust in doing other things that's why I came with the suggestions because I believe those suggestions won't increase burden on admin's shoulders even he accepts to implement those. Disabling of that negative karma will be even more easier.

-karma helps to fight with these bad habits not involving moderation or harder penalties. And it works good enough. Some newbies who got a lot of -karma in the very beginning improve their behavior. You get -karma? Are you sure you are not doing anything bad? As for the topic starter, he has a habit of answering the first post on the 3d page... I didn't give him -karma for that but if anyone will, I think it will be a deserved -karma.

Man, sometimes answers of 3rd page also can be useful I guess and especially I try to avoid replying to posts that have more than 5 pages but sometimes when I find it necessary to add some information then why not? Surely if someone else has answered the thread then it's not necessary to post in that thread, even on Bitcointalk I always tell OP's to lock such threads when they get satisfied answers.

I know newbies don't really understand how a forum works but even in beginning they start get negative karma then most of them can get dishearten and may feel a kind of fear in making any posts. The worst thing about negative karma is that it isn't transparent and no one really knows why he/she has received the negative karma.

[Igebotz]

Most of the time, those negative karmas are unintentionally given. It happened to me before while I was on my mobile. I saw a good post, intended to give it positive karma, but ended up giving it negative karma instead. I then returned the positive karma because I realized at the time that I had hit the wrong one, and there must have been those who did not notice and simply moved on. I also received negative karma because I noticed I had lost -1 karma a while ago, which is especially frustrating when you can not even tell who the person is.


Suggestion> The +karma and -karma buttons on the mobile screen are too close together; anyone browsing the forum on a mobile device is likely to make this mistake; the best solution is to have a pop-up message every time someone clicks either of those buttons to ensure that they are sending the correct karma.

[Jokers]

Man, sometimes answers of 3rd page also can be useful

Sometimes. But very rare. And many don't read the topic to be sure that their reply is of that rare sort. And in your case your answer was in the middle of a third page not referring to the previous discourse.

The worst thing about negative karma is that it isn't transparent and no one really knows why he/she has received the negative karma.

admin said already that showing the post which got +karma or -karma is on his to do list. After that it will be more clear which post got a negative karma. Some can get -karma by a mistake. Well, as long as it is occasionally, it is not so important. Our community is friendly and tend to give +karma much more often.

[Agbe]

I think and if I am not mistaken, it was Mate2237 that was first made an official thread for this issue and he got negative karma for creating that thread. I don't think I made comment there but I saw the post. Like in bitcointalk if you received a merit, that merit can never be removed but there is a way to punish shitposts, spammers and scammers. Really removing karma from one profile when he or she has struggling to get is very bad. Because the way I am looking at it people have already abused the Karma system. I think, I also made a suggestion that even though the name of the person who gave the negative karma is not showing, let the link of the -Karma or+karma should be added to the notification so that it will be easier for us to know where we do wrong and do good. Frankly speaking this -Karma will cause problem in this forum if not proper care.

[Igebotz]

I think and if I am not mistaken, it was Mate2237 that was first made an official thread for this issue and he got negative karma for creating that thread.

Nobody get negative karma for creating a topic/threads unless the thread is created for scamming or sharing malware links. if Mte2237 was given negative karma, then it is definitely for something else. if the user Mate2237 thinks that his negative was inappropriate, he can report it at the  Forum court to get it reviewed and removed.

[Gladitorcomeback]

I think and if I am not mistaken, it was Mate2237 that was first made an official thread for this issue and he got negative karma for creating that thread.

Nobody get negative karma for creating a topic/threads unless the thread is created for scamming or sharing malware links. if Mte2237 was given negative karma, then it is definitely for something else. if the user Mate2237 thinks that his negative was inappropriate, he can report it at the  Forum court to get it reviewed and removed.

As far I think sometimes negative karma given due to mistakenly clicking on wrong place. I am using Android phone and Karma+ and Karma- are buttons are so close. Two times I clicked on negative in the place of positive mistakenly. I think the karma system should be changed and there should be comment section also that why one negative karma. it will be easy for everyone to check and could be challenge. Now the reality is that ,no one know who gives karma,why gives and on which post which create problem for members

[Igebotz]

I think and if I am not mistaken, it was Mate2237 that was first made an official thread for this issue and he got negative karma for creating that thread.

Nobody get negative karma for creating a topic/threads unless the thread is created for scamming or sharing malware links. if Mte2237 was given negative karma, then it is definitely for something else. if the user Mate2237 thinks that his negative was inappropriate, he can report it at the  Forum court to get it reviewed and removed.

As far I think sometimes negative karma given due to mistakenly clicking on wrong place. I am using Android phone and Karma+ and Karma- are buttons are so close. Two times I clicked on negative in the place of positive mistakenly. I think the karma system should be changed and there should be comment section also that why one negative karma. it will be easy for everyone to check and could be challenge. Now the reality is that ,no one know who gives karma,why gives and on which post which create problem for members

I've raised similar concerns and made solutions; I don't expect them to be implemented, but it's worth trying. I'm too lazy to check which thread I posted in, but as I already indicated, the best approach is to create a pop-up screen every time someone hits the +Karma or -Karma to confirm action. However, there is an easy technique to avoid clicking on the wrong Karma button: always zoom in on the profile before clicking the button. This is what I do when I am reading the forum on my mobile device.

[notblox1]

Why is everyone talking about karma and opening so many karma topics in last few days? 
Just forget about it guys, use it like you are using likes and dislikes on any other platform, dont overthink it so much.
If you try to contribute in some way you will get rewarded, for example PX-Z who make AltcoinsTalks telegram notification bot.

[kent47400]

I often avoid the negative karma thing and keep posting because getting dishearten from negative karma doesn't makes sense to me.

You've done your best on the altcoinstalks forum and keep trying to make posts to stay away from -karma.
But maybe at another time your post was something that offended another member or hurt another member's feelings.
I will give +1 karma to you because you are in a disadvantaged position, I really care about members who are experiencing difficulties.

If you try to contribute in some way you will get rewarded, for example PX-Z who make AltcoinsTalks telegram notification bot.

It is very true that this karma is like Like and Dislike on YouTube, as far as I know, Like and Dislike on YouTube, no one knows who does it.
We have to continue to contribute to being the best in the altcoinstalks forum as you said, that is, your friend created a Telegram bot for notifications, it will definitely add +karma to him for providing super fast notifications in the Telegram application. +1 karma for you. 

[yhiaali3]

-karma helps to fight with these bad habits not involving moderation or harder penalties. And it works good enough. Some newbies who got a lot of -karma in the very beginning improve their behavior. You get -karma? Are you sure you are not doing anything bad? As for the topic starter, he has a habit of answering the first post on the 3d page... I didn't give him -karma for that but if anyone will, I think it will be a deserved -karma.

This is very good, but how will the member know what is the reason for receiving negative karma? I mean, he will not know whether he received this negative karma because his post was of low quality, or because he wrote a response to the first post after the third page, or any other reason you mentioned?

There are many reasons that could make a member get negative karma, but without knowing the reason, he will not change his wrong behavior and will continue to write with the same bad habits, so perhaps it is appropriate to put a hint about the reason that made him get negative karma, so that he can avoid these bad habits.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Most of the members who moved from Bitcointalk to this forum feel bad when they receive negative karma without any reason and the worst thing is that they don't even know who sent them that negative karma and why. I suggest admin of the forum to think about the negative karma thing. My suggestion is to only allow moderators or high authority members to send negative karma and if they send any negative karma then they should also explain the reason for sending that negative karma.

I am not in favour of letting know who sent the negative Karma, it will create massive personal conflicts between each others.

But this tool should not be given to everyone if this is the current system. It should be given to people who have proven that they do not allow their personal issue to affect a karma. Like merit sources there should be a selective group of people who will be able to use this tool. Some mods can monitor these Karma Source to check if they are abusing the privilege.