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Crypto Discussion Forum => Cryptocurrency discussions => Topic started by: Mexite on November 26, 2020, 09:24:02 PM
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I have observed that one of the determinants of the price of a token from the very first day of listing is the type of exchange where the token is listed. Centralized exchanges like Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin, generally list the token at prices higher than the ICO/IEO price.
However, some centralized exchanges are price killers. Most of the times when new projects list their tokens on this platforms, the price tanks deeply. This may be attributed to the fake volumes and low traffic on these platforms. From my personal observations, exchanges like P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, are just a few of such exchanges.
Note: I'm neither promoting or disparaging any exchange, it's just my personal opinion.
Do you agree with my view? I will like to hear your own thoughts on this too.
Thanks.
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You are correct by saying they list with false volume. This exchanges that kills token comes up with different untruth about their trading process and lack transparency.
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You are correct by saying they list with false volume. This exchanges that kills token comes up with different untruth about their trading process and lack transparency.
Their lack of transparency has turned their platform into graveyard of many project tokens. As a matter of fact, once I see a new project doing IEO on such exchanges, I quickly have a rethink.
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I have observed that one of the determinants of the price of a token from the very first day of listing is the type of exchange where the token is listed. Centralized exchanges like Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin, generally list the token at prices higher than the ICO/IEO price. However, some centralized exchanges are price killers. Most of the times when new projects list their tokens on this platforms, the price tanks deeply. This may be attributed to the fake volumes and low traffic on these platforms. From my personal observations, exchanges like P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, are just a few of such exchanges. Note: I'm neither promoting or disparaging any exchange, it's just my personal opinion. Do you agree with my view? I will like to hear your own thoughts on this too. Thanks.
I want to agree with your observation and I think this can really be true though of course we need some good facts to back up this big claim. However, one thing for sure is that big exchanges where there can be real volume of trades and where there are a big number of traders can have a strong impact on a particular token. Now, in many cases, it is not so easy to enter big and popular exchanges, and they can be costing money to do so that is why many projects just settled those exchanges you mention and that can be a fatal mistake because without excitement a token can slowly die. But then again, if a token will not be listed in any exchange after a long wait then the same fate can happen: slow death.
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I have observed that one of the determinants of the price of a token from the very first day of listing is the type of exchange where the token is listed. Centralized exchanges like Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin, generally list the token at prices higher than the ICO/IEO price.
However, some centralized exchanges are price killers. Most of the times when new projects list their tokens on this platforms, the price tanks deeply. This may be attributed to the fake volumes and low traffic on these platforms. From my personal observations, exchanges like P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, are just a few of such exchanges.
Note: I'm neither promoting or disparaging any exchange, it's just my personal opinion.
Do you agree with my view? I will like to hear your own thoughts on this too.
Thanks.
I agree with you mate. Few exchanges like p2pb2b, latoken, coinsbit run IEO at a rate which fake volume, fake rates with huge trade. I have observed that trend as i have account in all of those shit exchanges. Tokens that run IEO in any of those, either vanish or huge drop after IEO end. Investors and promoters will suffer a huge losses but If a project is listed in Binance, Kucoin or top few exchanges, its price is over the IEO because their financial and team base is strong that impress the investors.
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There are a lot of scam cryptocurrency exchanges where only bots trade, and there are no real traders at all on these scam cryptocurrency exchanges, and therefore any cryptocurrency that will only will be traded on the scam exchange will die very quickly and here is a small list of the most scam cryptocurrency exchanges, these are p2pb2b, probit, latoken, vindax, exmarkets, well, this list is really huge and announcing all scam cryptocurrency exchanges will take a very long time.
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Cryptocurrency exchanges appear almost every month, and each promises that it will achieve great heights and break into the top. But very often they either draw beautiful numbers of volumes, or simply kill all the coins that start to list there. They add tokens that, to put it mildly, do not inspire confidence and show work and at some point either disappear or continue their "work" simply by collecting commissions from gullible users who decide to trade there. Trust the top exchangers, in extreme cases, if a token or a coin is traded only for nouns, then at risk and if there is no choice, you can sell there (in the case of bounty tokens), but still it is better to wait.
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I have observed that one of the determinants of the price of a token from the very first day of listing is the type of exchange where the token is listed. Centralized exchanges like Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin, generally list the token at prices higher than the ICO/IEO price.
However, some centralized exchanges are price killers. Most of the times when new projects list their tokens on this platforms, the price tanks deeply. This may be attributed to the fake volumes and low traffic on these platforms. From my personal observations, exchanges like P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, are just a few of such exchanges.
Note: I'm neither promoting or disparaging any exchange, it's just my personal opinion.
Do you agree with my view? I will like to hear your own thoughts on this too.
Thanks.
YES! I agree with you mate and we shared the same sentiment and observation, most likely if the coin/token was listed on a not well-known exchange the price will dump hard so, in a matter of days. IMO, the exchange is also important in terms of taking the token price and liquidity healthy. But the sad truth is most projects are not considering this fact, Instead, they will continue to list their token on shitty exchange thats why the result is not good.
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Some exchange tokens help to improve a lot. Some exchanges help kill tokens. The following exchanges help to kill any token. P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken. It goes without saying that there are no investors in these. Because investing there is detrimental. So investors go to these exchanges. like Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin etc exchanges are good.
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Perhaps the problem is not in the exchanges, but in the fact that after listing, often those who participated in the bounty, the project team and those who received tokens for some work sell their tokens and the price goes down. The artificial volumes of these exchanges cannot lower the price, on the contrary, they help the coin look better than it really is.
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I disagree, it is not the exchanges that kill the token price, but the projects itself. Even if the token listed in untrusted exchanges like as you say but the price is from the team of the project not from the exchanges
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I think exchange don't kill projects but investors, traders and holders kill the projects partially. Project owners kill the projects partially, ProBit, coinsbit, P2Pb2b, whitebit , chainx , latoken, exmarket, stex , etherdelta, etherflyer , vindax , etc partially kill the projects.
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Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin etc are very good in the market. Most of the projects listed there increase the level of much more investment. Again, P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, if any token is listed in them, it is much more damaged. So I think exchange is very important for any project.
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In some exchanges, tokens are destroyed when they are listed. All investors get bad experiences from these exchanges. The latter does not want to invest or trade. Such as P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Latoken. I have had many bad experiences from these three exchanges. Most investors use good quality exchanges to invest, that is, to buy any cryptocurrency.
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This is because of the fact that these exchanges have low number of real traders so low volume and hence low liquidity. This means no or low buying orders that will result in dumps and price crashes only.
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If project team want to get the project in a good position, you must list the good exchanges. Otherwise the project will be destroyed. There are many exchanges in the market, they are very good. However, coinsbit, vindex, Latoken, if you list any project, there is a possibility of destruction. Later, the project team could not find funds.
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exchanges love to manipulate prices. First, they lower the price, buy everything at the bottom, and then often sharply raise the price. exchanges also make money - they are not interested in living only on fees
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If the exchange manipulates the token price or volume, yes it tries to kill the token/coin itself. But not all exchange like that, most top exchange won't do it because it will destroy their reputation. Moreover, they are in a tight competition to attract users. It will kill people interest by doing it.
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Some bot periority exchanges are mostly killing the projects showing fake trading volumes, ProBit, latoken, exmarket, P2Pb2b, whitebit, coinsbit, chainx , vindax , finexbox, bobox and tokpie. I have many bad experienced from those exchanges.
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It is true that many exchanges on the lower board use bots or fake orders, it may be their intention to attract traders to trade there. To be honest, this is something I really hate, because it can harm many parties. Actually, there are many ways that traders want to trade there, one of which is to hold trading competitions in collaboration with several crypto companies.
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The top exchanges may have reliable resources and sufficient funds to keep the token price from falling rapidly. The top exchanges do determine the value / price of these altcoins, but some new projects do not have enough funds to be able to list the altcoins they create, Due to the high cost of listing, the developers prefer to develop the product rather than sign up to the exchange, so it is all a matter of the developer's decision of the new project, whether they will list on the top exchange or something that has fake trading volume.
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I remember that in the year 2017 down to 2018 if cryptocurrency community hears that any coin going to list in any big exchanges like binance that alone create a big hype for such project I think that's why I have to agree with your observation because big exchange listing has away of increasing the price a token and coin.
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You are right There are many scam cryptocurrency exchanges where only cryptocurrencies are traded, and there is no real cryptocurrency in any cryptocurrency, and no cryptocurrency can be exchange for cryptocurrency only.
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There may be any relation with the project developer or the strategy from the team. It is commonly after the pump and then dump. of course, it is made for a higher price because they want to attract more people to trade the coins. At least, they have their first trading volume. And we also do not know whether the early trading volume is real or fake. Who knows
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You are right There are many scam cryptocurrency exchanges where only cryptocurrencies are traded, and there is no real cryptocurrency in any cryptocurrency, and no cryptocurrency can be exchange for cryptocurrency only.
The projector team should be careful to list any project on the exchange. Because not all exchanges are good. Investors do not invest in all exchanges. Good exchange is needed for investment. Investing in good exchanges is successful. Investing in low quality exchanges is not successful. So it helps to kill a lot of exchange projects.
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I don't mention any exchange name here but I am not sure who are more responsible for dumping market,
Exchanges platforms
Project owners
Holders
Traders
Above all criteria responsible for projects dumping.
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Before listing on exchange there are so called offerings which gives extra token gifts to early investors depends on how much they avail. Investors can have big bonuses at early stage before listing.
Here comes listing, the expected price may varies due to different strategies of each investors/traders during the first stage of listing. Not all listed on centralized exchange dropped after listing it depends on what the target and holders perception.
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Most of the exchange site platform is really not transparent, I know some of you know this too where other exchange sites are showing fake volume to the majority of the coin listed to their platform. That's why new exchange that arises nowadays is hard to believe due to most of them didn't stand for long were, in the end, they've closed instantly in this field of business, that's the real thing happened.
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In fact, it is so. Many unscrupulous exchanges only imitate trading in coins, in fact, bots create the illusion of trading in high volumes. Real traders and investors are losing interest in coins on such exchanges. Coins die like that.
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I also think coins and tokens that are listed on a market that has little volume and no popularity will prevent the value of coins and tokens from increasing. I am more confident with projects that list their tokens on big markets like Binance or other top exchanges
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I have observed that one of the determinants of the price of a token from the very first day of listing is the type of exchange where the token is listed. Centralized exchanges like Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin, generally list the token at prices higher than the ICO/IEO price.
However, some centralized exchanges are price killers. Most of the times when new projects list their tokens on this platforms, the price tanks deeply. This may be attributed to the fake volumes and low traffic on these platforms. From my personal observations, exchanges like P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, are just a few of such exchanges.
Note: I'm neither promoting or disparaging any exchange, it's just my personal opinion.
Do you agree with my view? I will like to hear your own thoughts on this too.
Thanks.
yeah! one of the contributors is the lack of traders, unlike those top exchanges you have mentioned. this platforms have smaller traders and it's not enough to maintain or push the price up. many traders in small exchanges are just their for the hype and just wanted to sell their holdings. they are not really involve in heavy trading.
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You are so very right. Many new projects skimp on funds and list on stupid, mostly unheard of exchanges which ultimately becomes the death knell. From poor services to fake volumes to bot trading, all these are hallmarks of these 'killer exchanges'. Only very few projects escape the deleterious effects of these exchanges
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I personally do not feel like some exchanges ruin token prices; instead i would say some exchanges are not suitable for certain tokens. There are several factors to be considered when it comes to listing a token on an exchange but several devs ignore this which inturns turn out bad for the token price; it never means the exchange is bad.
Tokens list in binance, kucoin, huobi, and end up delisted after few weeks because the token caliber is low compared to that of the exchange, i think this is how it works.
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As a matter of facts, many exchanges out there are meant to pump certain coins and later dump these coins (displaying fake volumes), these exchanges and some of these coin/tokens are not difficult to identify. There are many exchanges that has made it a common practice but it is very easy to spot out even a little experienced trader.
A coins/token that is rising with no volume (liquidity) for certain period of time is a good example of fake coin/token volume.
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I personally do not feel like some exchanges ruin token prices; instead i would say some exchanges are not suitable for certain tokens. There are several factors to be considered when it comes to listing a token on an exchange but several devs ignore this which inturns turn out bad for the token price; it never means the exchange is bad.
Tokens list in binance, kucoin, huobi, and end up delisted after few weeks because the token caliber is low compared to that of the exchange, i think this is how it works.
You are right to point out that some tokens perform poorly even when listed on top exchanges, causing the exchange owners to delist the token.
However my concern is in the role in which certain centralized exchanges cause sharp death to the project once listed there. You can correct me though, but from my own personal experience and observations over the years, P2pb2b and the others I stated rarely improve trading price and experience of newly listed tokens. They don't seem to have the large trader base.
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If any exchange kills the projects, then no projects owners list token in any exchanges. But some non popular exchanges with low trading volumes are hampered the market of coins/tokenst.
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Some exchanges do kill the price of coins, only exchanges that have high liquidity can be trusted,
because exchanges that have little liquidity have the possibility of dropping the market price, even though the project has created a market maker but the price will continue to fall because of the exchange selling the coins.
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Until now, I am still confused about what is an aid in this place. I have some sheets and I need somebody to feed them, But I do not ow think that the plants on the terrace will be eaten by the careful plants from cryptocurrency. Here, we can see how the process of the situation to make more money feel desired f it.
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I agree with you and noticed it too. At first I thought it was the bounty hunter that was killing the price, but then I realized that a lot depends on the exchange itself.
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Most of the exchanger's charge rate is high and it's burn our labour .The authority should look after about the matter . I my personal experience I know some exchanges that are really kill token price such as P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken.
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P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken. No investor likes the above exchanges. Because investors were initially more attracted to exchanges. However, the exchanges hurt investors. If there is any coin list in the exchanges, they die. So binance, Kucoin, OKEx are much more popular.
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Yes, exchanges help to take you to any place of improvement. So I think you should look for good exchanges before listing any coin on the exchange. Because if you are listed in good exchanges, investment and trade are much higher. So I think the coins should be listed on a good exchange. Such as binance, Kucoin, OKEx, houbi.
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Stex has never been a killer exchange. i think it focus on a particular region and it is not recognised just like the other exchanges you mentioned. the popular killer exchanges are the vindax, p2pb2p and the a host of others. probit should not be missing on the list of exchanges with fake volume. also i think the high cost of listing has affected many project from getting listed in quality platforms.
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Yes, We have seen that there are many exchanges where the coin is completely destroyed when coin is traded.Probit exchange, p2pb2p, Coinsbit, Vindax, Stex.Token trading on all these exchanges then the price of the token does not increase further and the projects are destroyed.
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I read above all comments but all comments I get only P2Pb2b, vindax, probit, stex, coinsbit and coinsbit sisters concern of whitebit exchanges. Above all exchanges are responsible for killing the projects.
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I totally agree with you. Listing tokens on some exchanges is likely to kill that token. Again on some exchanges
Listing has the potential to improve tokens. I think the team should make the right decision.
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I read above all comments but all comments I get only P2Pb2b, vindax, probit, stex, coinsbit and coinsbit sisters concern of whitebit exchanges. Above all exchanges are responsible for killing the projects.
Yeah, thanks for adding to the list. I am cautious about using these trading platforms.
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They don't seem to think about the continuity of the project so they do IEO in a market which is actually bad. That's why I always avoid or don't believe in projects that do that because if I invest there I will lose my money
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If you know those exchanges kill the price of tokens, then you are better to avoid buying the tokens there. Some exchanges you stated above are not really good exchanges. Besides they killed the prices, basically many tokens listed there are not really good tokens. So, be careful to buy coins there.
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I agree but it's a shame they did something like that. Can you explain some of the reasons they did this? I saw several projects that actually have a good concept and have the potential to be developed but they choose IEO in markets that don't have good ratings.
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It is probably true. But we do not have any proves about it. Additionally, actually, it is not about the exchange that kills certain coin but the coin itself has low trading volume and no progress on it. that is why some coins will be delisted. Additionally if is about the decreasing price in the exchange, it is not because of the exchange itself but more to the market supply and demand.
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add another reason is that tokens have experienced a high decline due to the lack of high demand factors and also inadequate marketing strategies when listing on a market so that the token quite a bit .
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P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Latoken, these three exchanges are not good exchanges. These three are simultaneously inferior. But I don't know about Stex. Because I have never traded on this exchange. Coinsbit, Latoken These two exchanges I have traded. A much higher fee is required here. There are not enough investors. So I think if the projects from these exchanges, then the project can be improved.
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Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin, any coin listed on these exchanges, their value increases a lot. More markets tend to increase prices in the long run. So I think the coins or tokens that are listed on these exchanges are gaining popularity in the market.
P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, tokens or coins listed on these exchanges may not last long in the market. Although it improves in the first stage, it has no value in the market later.
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Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin etc are very good in the market. Most of the projects listed there increase the level of much more investment. Again, P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, if any token is listed in them, it is much more damaged. So I think exchange is very important for any project.
P2Pb2b, coinsbit and probit fucking a shit exchangers in the crypto market. I never trade in above exchanges.
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You are right. Well, in the first place the team surely knew about it just before they list their altcoins. In that case we can clearly understand how serious they are base on their exchange choice.
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This depends on the project; it will be good project then will be listed in good exchanges if will be scammer or low-quality project then will be listed in low-rank exchanges, you can see some good project that is listed in low-rank exchanges, but the price is same like in big exchanges.
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I am not agree with you ,i believe the team members of any project are responsable for the token price, if they are deliver what are promise to make then the price will be fine.
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I want to agree with your observation and I think this can really be true though of course we need some good facts to back up this big claim. However, one thing for sure is that big exchanges where there can be real volume of trades and where there are a big number of traders can have a strong impact on a particular token. Now, in many cases, it is not so easy to enter big and popular exchanges, and they can be costing money to do so that is why many projects just settled those exchanges you mention and that can be a fatal mistake because without excitement a token can slowly die. But then again, if a token will not be listed in any exchange after a long wait then the same fate can happen: slow death.
+1 for great idea
We all know that small exchanges often have low transaction volume, which cannot help project tokens reach many users. When the need to buy tokens on an exchange is not great, while the amount of tokens on the market is fixed, it is natural to lose token value. The positive impact of an exchange listing is not enough to hold the token price.
But we also need to have sympathy for the exchanges as well as projects. Exchanges want to be big too, but they do not have enough advertising costs, while projects want to list tokens on major exchanges but they do not have enough money. I don't think we have a complete solution here, small exchanges will always exist because they can meet the needs of small projects.
What we can expect is that the project can issue a product useful to the community that will give the token a real need, not just a tool to trade or hold. Then, even if the token is listed on any exchange, the community will also buy.
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They are developers or project owners who take too much risk by doing IEO in a market where not too many people use and low volume. The thing that makes a lot of projects lose value after they finish the IEO. I'm more interested in investing if they do IEO in the big market or at least the people who use that market
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I think sometimes this will be happen because low quality project try to used low quality of exchages .
They didn't get enough attention their as a result demand of that project start decreasing as a result project touch ground level . I never used low quality exchanges for trading purpose .
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I read above all comments but all comments I get only P2Pb2b, vindax, probit, stex, coinsbit and coinsbit sisters concern of whitebit exchanges. Above all exchanges are responsible for killing the projects.
Yeah, thanks for adding to the list. I am cautious about using these trading platforms.
I always follow binance and Okex top ranked cryptocurrencies exchange. I don't like ProBit and P2Pb2b, Whitebit and coinsbit. They are trading with bot setting.
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Most likely, the killer exchanges in question are just exchanges on which trading robots are configured in a special way. That is, it is not a matter of exchanges; it is a matter of robots belonging to these exchanges.
Moreover, the fall in price is a boon for buyers.
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Exchanges like P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken are small exchanges and the volume of money in circulation is small.
We can't blame them because if the coins are listed there will become trash coins or die.
Even if it's an IEO, don't want IEO on the exchange because IEO is better on Binance or KuCoin.
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Not all exchanges are good. Having tokens or coin lists on all exchanges does not accomplish the team's purpose. So I think the project team needs to be aware.
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Yes you are right some of this exchange do that always from start but for me Binance is best to list any token for good volume and profit for all member who buy token in ico i always buy biinance token for good profit it gives you 1x to 2x profit has well.
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It is the time when investors receive a clear motivation that the coins where they invest is sinking down to the pit of hopelessness. Since every bad exchange where the team lists their coin is not what the investors expectation and far different than what the team had promised during the campaign period.
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I think the project team should think and list the projects in the exchanges. I think the exchange plays the biggest role in improving the project. Listing projects on a good exchange is likely to be successful. Again coinsbit, Latoken, P2pb2b are damaged if listed in these projects.
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I have observed that one of the determinants of the price of a token from the very first day of listing is the type of exchange where the token is listed. Centralized exchanges like Binance, Houbi, OkEx, Kucoin, generally list the token at prices higher than the ICO/IEO price.
However, some centralized exchanges are price killers. Most of the times when new projects list their tokens on this platforms, the price tanks deeply. This may be attributed to the fake volumes and low traffic on these platforms. From my personal observations, exchanges like P2pb2b, Coinsbit, Stex, Latoken, are just a few of such exchanges.
Just want to add another shitty exchange in it, Vindex. Vindex is the most faked volume exchange in this planet. I saw they are use to list any token at 0.5-1 ETH. Also they offered multiple services in it, like automated bot trading to keep their volume up. I saw more than 25 project dies after listing on it. My request to everyone, please never submit your KYC on vindex and all of the exchanges that OP mentioned.
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Yes it speaks the most truth. We have seen that when some exchange coins are listed, the token is completely exhausted. We have seen that if all the exchanges have token list, the token is completely exhausted. Those exchanges are Probit exchange, Vindax exchange, P2pb2b, coinsbit Etc. Plays a greater role.
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Yes it speaks the most truth. We have seen that when some exchange coins are listed, the token is completely exhausted. We have seen that if all the exchanges have token list, the token is completely exhausted. Those exchanges are Probit exchange, Vindax exchange, P2pb2b, coinsbit Etc. Plays a greater role.
Actually coinsbit a project killer exchange because I have several coins listed on Coinsbit which already dumped more than five times it my investment price. So tell me , how can I sell my coins with huge amounts of losses?
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I agree... Exchanges like Latoken, Vindax, Coinsbit and P2pb2b are some of the worst exchanges in the industry and have a huge tendency to dump token prices when listed there. This exchanges are associated with wash and bots trading and makes it highly impossible and unpalatable for traders to explore trades on them and thus leaving bad experiences ultimately leading to loss of interest and in turn price dumps.
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Of course there is market manipulation on big scale on many exchanges and listing tokens is their main business or at least was until Uniswap was introduced.
Not only centralized exchanges made millions on listings in fees but of course many of them manipulate with the price to squire all profits.