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Further Discussions => Economics , Sociology & Politics => Topic started by: sologub on January 11, 2021, 08:58:25 PM
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Is your social media account yours?
I am very interested in the issue of owning an account on a social network. Should the account belong to the person who registered it or is it the property of the company that owns the platform? Let's think it over.
Some people, for example, invest in design, promotion and content creation for their account. If we assume that the account does not belong to a person, then it turns out that his investments are very doubtful. If we assume that a person's account is his property, then we need a mechanism to hold them accountable for displaying prohibited content.
Let's try to compare a social media account and a house (an ordinary house, or an apartment that you own). If you posted on your house a call to violence in letters that are visible from many meters away, the police would come (after the complaint) to you. Home is yours, no one questions it. But you will be asked to withdraw the call. In this case, you are sure that your house will not be demolished, even if you refuse to withdraw the call. Other sanctions will follow, but your house will remain standing even if you go to jail for a ride to resist the police.
What do you think of it?
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I initially felt, how would you borrow someone social media account to make campaign and you will have constant access to the account such that you will fulfil your assignments here accordingly.but I remember some people use to hack account to get it done.
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Yes it's mine full time.
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Is your social media account yours?
I am very interested in the issue of owning an account on a social network. Should the account belong to the person who registered it or is it the property of the company that owns the platform? Let's think it over.
Some people, for example, invest in design, promotion and content creation for their account. If we assume that the account does not belong to a person, then it turns out that his investments are very doubtful. If we assume that a person's account is his property, then we need a mechanism to hold them accountable for displaying prohibited content.
Let's try to compare a social media account and a house (an ordinary house, or an apartment that you own). If you posted on your house a call to violence in letters that are visible from many meters away, the police would come (after the complaint) to you. Home is yours, no one questions it. But you will be asked to withdraw the call. In this case, you are sure that your house will not be demolished, even if you refuse to withdraw the call. Other sanctions will follow, but your house will remain standing even if you go to jail for a ride to resist the police.
What do you think of it?
Just read the Offer/Contract/EULA and you will realize - NO, you do not own your account. When you register online you often check the box "I agree to the terms of use". But a fraction of a percent, follow the link to that document and read it. And believe me, there's a lot of "interesting" stuff in there. If you read it, then with a high probability you will learn - that everything that is on the site (your posts, your data, your photos and videos, ...) belong to.... not to you, but to the company that owns this social network/platform. Even if it is not written in big letters in the first paragraph "User Rights", it will be written in the document implicitly or implicitly.
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But having social media and having an apartment/house are two different things. When you own a house/apartment then you have a contract before you occupy it. The contract explains that you are the permanent/contractual owner of the house/apartment and you have full rights to the place.
Meanwhile, when you have a social media account, even though the account represents you, the account is not actually yours, because there is an agreement at the beginning which states that the platform has the full right to limit or close the account if there are things that are not in line with their regulations. So even though we have the right to post or various other activities using our account, the platform has full rights to that account.
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Yes, is my if it is been registered by me! But I know one day it won’t be my again or even be bound from using it after a several years of not being login on it, which can either be of my death, or notice to have been hacked by hackers, will wish to dump it for another one to avoid being Manipulated. This my own view in the said topic.
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But having social media and having an apartment/house are two different things. When you own a house/apartment then you have a contract before you occupy it. The contract explains that you are the permanent/contractual owner of the house/apartment and you have full rights to the place.
Meanwhile, when you have a social media account, even though the account represents you, the account is not actually yours, because there is an agreement at the beginning which states that the platform has the full right to limit or close the account if there are things that are not in line with their regulations. So even though we have the right to post or various other activities using our account, the platform has full rights to that account.
This is exactly what I was talking about a little earlier! All users of social networks, having created an account there are not OWNERS, we are all RENTERS of some services ! And the biggest problem is that:
1. 99,99 did not read the license agreement
2. All rights to the content that you create belong, according to the same license agreement, to the owner of this social network !
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Yes, it is mine. I opened it and have been operating it. So far so good. Any post or comment from this account is from me. If incidentally it is hacked, the needful should be report to admins and also announce to the public so as to prevent hackers from scamming other people with it.
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OP, I think I read you correctly and I perfectly understand your point. What I want you to know is that the social medias are centralized platforms which operates on different rules, terms and policies. Those customer (individuals) who create accounts on those social media are only there to there to be regulated by the terms and policy of that company, if you don't agree with those terms, then don't create account. If you create account and violate any of their terms, you may put your account at risk. Centralized platforms usually have authorities that are in charge, so I don't see any confusion here mahn.
The account you have on social media is yours and can be yours for lifetime as long as you don't violate any other the platform's rules. I have been using my Facebook account for more than 8 years now and it's just there.
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But having social media and having an apartment/house are two different things. When you own a house/apartment then you have a contract before you occupy it. The contract explains that you are the permanent/contractual owner of the house/apartment and you have full rights to the place.
Meanwhile, when you have a social media account, even though the account represents you, the account is not actually yours, because there is an agreement at the beginning which states that the platform has the full right to limit or close the account if there are things that are not in line with their regulations. So even though we have the right to post or various other activities using our account, the platform has full rights to that account.
This is exactly what I was talking about a little earlier! All users of social networks, having created an account there are not OWNERS, we are all RENTERS of some services ! And the biggest problem is that:
1. 99,99 did not read the license agreement
2. All rights to the content that you create belong, according to the same license agreement, to the owner of this social network !
I agree and this is the reason why instead of creating a normal and legit account I prefer mine as dummy ones on social media. 😅 And I don't get it when OP compare or make house as an example in relation to the socmed accounts we own as we all know they are totally different.
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But having social media and having an apartment/house are two different things. When you own a house/apartment then you have a contract before you occupy it. The contract explains that you are the permanent/contractual owner of the house/apartment and you have full rights to the place.
Meanwhile, when you have a social media account, even though the account represents you, the account is not actually yours, because there is an agreement at the beginning which states that the platform has the full right to limit or close the account if there are things that are not in line with their regulations. So even though we have the right to post or various other activities using our account, the platform has full rights to that account.
This is exactly what I was talking about a little earlier! All users of social networks, having created an account there are not OWNERS, we are all RENTERS of some services ! And the biggest problem is that:
1. 99,99 did not read the license agreement
2. All rights to the content that you create belong, according to the same license agreement, to the owner of this social network !
I agree and this is the reason why instead of creating a normal and legit account I prefer mine as dummy ones on social media. 😅 And I don't get it when OP compare or make house as an example in relation to the socmed accounts we own as we all know they are totally different.
I agree that social networks should not give away their real data, considering how and for what purpose they started researching them. In the initial stages, yes, it was a delight, the opportunity to find your neighbors from childhood, classmates at school, classmates at the institute, former employees and in general people with whom you have long lost touch but would like to find. That's how it was at the start. But then social networks began to use the accumulated data. And they began to use them not only for basic advertising, according to my interests, but also my correspondence, personal data, etc., went into "work". And I didn't like it. That's why I still have 1 real account in one social network, and it remained only for searching people. I do not use this network constantly or even often, so, occasionally, when there is a need to find someone from the people.... This is the end of my relationship with social networks through my real data.
Forums and other resources are tied to absolutely virtual data....
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What do you think of it?
Your illustration is buyable and considerate. If a tenant in a landlords house does something atrocious and could not be found, the landlord who wasn't part of the action would be questionable.
About owning an online account in a site, I keep saying this on repeated note even across the radio stations and other means that speculates public infos that they should verily verified individuals which tends to influence the audience in any form either by adverts, entertainment or otherwise because most audience falls victims in different ways due to the fact that they believe such communication sites or stations are reputable and trustworthy and so, whatever that comes out or through them are legit and trusted. But these sites are either not after the welfares of the audiences neither are they firm to reputable clients to their sites. All they just wanted over and over is making the incomes and yet, obviously running an untransperency operational system between them, the clients and the audiences. All just so selfish.
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If you post on almost any blog or social media you are pretty much giving the content away.
Which is why have a signature is a decent idea as the coins you get pay something to your ideas and content.
"Speaking of content I just watched Astrid on amazon if was 9 episodes in French dubbed with subtitles.
I liked it and recommend watching on amazon prime for free." The quotes are my opinion and review which I do not own anymore I gave it away. But not for free as I have a signature.
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Of course it's mine full time.
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Of course it's mine full time.
Hmm, not actually I may own it now but with time it won't be my again, that is in the case of my death, that is because am the only one that have access to it unless may be I disclose it to my kids or love ones when I was alive then they can be able to access it and gain or learn from it also to be able to have full control of everything pertaining to it when am not more. So it's sometimes good to share some of your secrets with your child expecially if he or she is next of your kin. But also be extra ordinary careful because now are days some children are so awesome that they will do something that even you the parents will never expect such from them. So my social media is my now but with time it won't be my again.
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Yes it is mine l, and I have been operating with it ...
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Yeah my password and name is mine, but I do not fully control it. I AM SUBJECT TO WEBSITE RESTRICTIONS. I can no longer say use a mixer on bitcointalk.org. The website bans it.
That is one example of what they do to my account.
On this website I can't lock an out of date thread that is one example of this websites control of my account.
the lists are longer but they show I have partial control not full control of philipma1957 at both altcoinstalks.com and bitcointalk.org
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Hmm, not actually I may own it now but with time it won't be my again, that is in the case of my death, that is because am the only one that have access to it unless may be I disclose it to my kids or love ones when I was alive then they can be able to access it and gain or learn from it also to be able to have full control of everything pertaining to it when am not more. So it's sometimes good to share some of your secrets with your child expecially if he or she is next of your kin. But also be extra ordinary careful because now are days some children are so awesome that they will do something that even you the parents will never expect such from them. So my social media is my now but with time it won't be my again.
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I don't think we are to consider this factor, because when creating any social media accounts, there are some terms and conditions which you as the user will accept, and by accepting that, the account belongs to you and you will have full control over it, except you shear your logins to someone.
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Owning an account. Is it like the decentralization that you want to do? I'm getting that vibe. It's really yours unlike the ones in the current social media thing that it's yours but you are not the owner of the things there.
I saw some projects that are building social media now in the cryptocurrency space. I'm not completely sure how it works but I have read it.
Are those kinds of projects you are talking about?
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Is your social media account yours?
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What do you think of it?
I could say i own it but the platform has full control of it like if they want to ban it then they could do it.
Something like a custodial wallet where i have the address but have no control of the company, that's how i view my social media account.
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Is your social media account yours?
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What do you think of it?
I could say i own it but the platform has full control of it like if they want to ban it then they could do it.
Something like a custodial wallet where i have the address but have no control of the company, that's how i view my social media account.
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I wonder if someone has to make a decentralized social networking site or is there an existing one? Just like how we did it with our cryptocurrency wallets with private keys. 😅
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Having a social media account, and have it managed by someone else, I see nothing in it as long as the person who manages the account doesn't go contrary to the social media rules of uploading porn videos or saying or doing anything not in line with what the real owner of the account asked him or her to do because behind the scenes, the person knows is the real owner of the account not the one that manages it. Because any that went wrong, who the public will hold responsible is the one who identify is known on social media not the one behind the keypad
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For security reasons many people operate dummy account in social media. Having a legit account in social media has its pros and cons. In these days, by operating a legit account one can gain many benefits and it can also be a source of income for many people.
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your point is valid so to answer your question on that matter?
Our social media Details is ours because we are the one who owned that .
But about the account itself? nope this is owned by the apps owner because we cannot
keep this if they wanted to hack or lock our accounts.
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Yeah my password and name is mine, but I do not fully control it. I AM SUBJECT TO WEBSITE RESTRICTIONS. I can no longer say use a mixer on bitcointalk.org. The website bans it.
That is one example of what they do to my account.
On this website I can't lock an out of date thread that is one example of this websites control of my account.
the lists are longer but they show I have partial control not full control of philipma1957 at both altcoinstalks.com and bitcointalk.org
Yeah this is for me very simple, easy to understand and accurate explaination and sample by the way. Partial control what describes our control with our accounts in any platforms especially social media. It could also be in an online games, gambling platforms, streaming sites and any other since we are still compliant to the platforms TOS if not we can be banned.
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I think social media and apartments are two different things and the example may be different. You can own an apartment through a validity agreement. The location of your apartment may be of a certain category. But yes this apartment has useful writing for all your subjects. But social media is a completely different thing as you can use it by a certain line. Moreover your social account can be closed at any time. You don't need a separate permission to close your account because you don't own it because you're just a user not owner.
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Is your social media account yours?
I am very interested in the issue of owning an account on a social network. Should the account belong to the person who registered it or is it the property of the company that owns the platform? Let's think it over.
Some people, for example, invest in design, promotion and content creation for their account. If we assume that the account does not belong to a person, then it turns out that his investments are very doubtful. If we assume that a person's account is his property, then we need a mechanism to hold them accountable for displaying prohibited content.
Let's try to compare a social media account and a house (an ordinary house, or an apartment that you own). If you posted on your house a call to violence in letters that are visible from many meters away, the police would come (after the complaint) to you. Home is yours, no one questions it. But you will be asked to withdraw the call. In this case, you are sure that your house will not be demolished, even if you refuse to withdraw the call. Other sanctions will follow, but your house will remain standing even if you go to jail for a ride to resist the police.
What do you think of it?
I have always asked myself this question, it is said that our social media accounts are private and they belong to us but the truth is that it actually belongs to the designers or developers. Most people are not ready to accept the fact that whatever they send or receive from anyone is actually been monitored by a third party. This is why you can't send some messages using some particular words on few social media apps because your texts are constantly scrutinized, what an uncomfortable truth
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Well I think this subject matter may actually dwell on how much right an individual possess when it has to do with their own properties, I'm speaking in respect of the house instance you sighted. In my opinion, I think everyone has the right to own a house, and also the right to do whatever you please with the house or apartment you own, as long as your activities in that house doesn't affect the next person or cause a direct harm to you, or even break the law, the house you own is on the state's territory and jurisdiction, and the state has ground rules that maintains peace and order within that jurisdiction, and even though the house is yours and you bought it with your own money, you still gotta abode by the rules of the state and breaking those rules might attract penalties.
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the house you own is on the state's territory and jurisdiction, and the state has ground rules that maintains peace and order within that jurisdiction, and even though the house is yours and you bought it with your own money, you still gotta abode by the rules of the state and breaking those rules might attract penalties.
some people view ownership as having all control over your own property and no one else having access to it
some people do not like the concept that the government or any authorities can cease your property if they just find the correct grounds for it tho of course this will be difficult for them to do if we follow all regulations and laws
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some people view ownership as having all control over your own property and no one else having access to it
some people do not like the concept that the government or any authorities can cease your property if they just find the correct grounds for it tho of course this will be difficult for them to do if we follow all regulations and laws
Of course no one likes the idea of sharing control over the property you acquired with your own money, but we cannot deny the fact that land or property we acquire is on government or state soil and every government is saddled with the responsibility of maintaining peace and order within their jurisdiction however they deem fit, without the interference of other countries. So even with the property you acquired with your own money, you still don't have 100% control and ownership over it because you'll still need to abide by the laws of the state.
It's just like having a house and conducting illegal activities in that house, like illegal and illicit drug storage and trafficking, I believe almost all the countries of the world frowns against illicit drug trafficking, you may have paid for the property in full and claimed ownership of it, but if the state discovers or learns about your illegal activities, they're reserved with the power to confiscate that property and handle the situation according to the rules and laws of the land. And I pretty much believe that this is also very much applicable to owning a social media account too.
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Just read the Offer/Contract/EULA and you will realize - NO, you do not own your account. When you register online you often check the box "I agree to the terms of use". But a fraction of a percent, follow the link to that document and read it. And believe me, there's a lot of "interesting" stuff in there. If you read it, then with a high probability you will learn - that everything that is on the site (your posts, your data, your photos and videos, ...) belong to.... not to you, but to the company that owns this social network/platform. Even if it is not written in big letters in the first paragraph "User Rights", it will be written in the document implicitly or implicitly.
Yep. You're right. We are creating accounts on certain platforms (company), we actually don't own the accounts. Those who have the platforms who own the accounts although the accounts were made by us. That's why we must be careful about our activities on the accounts, don't put something very personal there. Even, I actually hate to share personal identities when we are creating the social media accounts. The reason is clear, we can't fully control the accounts because it is not ours. This case may be similar when we have a CEX account. :D
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The answer is pretty simple that can be derived from another question.
Are you paying to create your account?
No means the obviously everything you post doesn't belong to you, it's you that ignorant about it and is that really matters when everything you posted is getting downloaded and saved in somewhere else so even if you decide to delete you can't really delete anything cause there will be always digital copies that can never be wiped from internet.
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they are all not yours. you bought your house, paid in full but you still have to pay the tax every year for it. not sure why we have to when we already bought the house. try skipping and someone from the office will come to collect and warn you about your asset.
the account you have in social media is yours but its also owned by the network. all these are just illusion. if the website is shutdown or blocked by your government, then you can forget about your social media account. just like what happened in Brazil.
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Yes, is my if it is been registered by me! But I know one day it won’t be my again or even be bound from using it after a several years of not being login on it, which can either be of my death, or notice to have been hacked by hackers, will wish to dump it for another one to avoid being Manipulated. This my own view in the said topic.
This reminds me of the mobile networks we make use of, I bought an mtn sim card and after two days I started receiving debit and credit alerts from a bank account that I don't even have, it means that someone else's line was sold to me, this just tells you how nothing is private anymore. No matter how secure your social media space is it can always be breached somehow
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they are all not yours. you bought your house, paid in full but you still have to pay the tax every year for it. not sure why we have to when we already bought the house.
The car, land, or house, can be owned because we will get the ownership papers. If we still need to pay taxes, it is another case. We pay taxes because there is a regulation made by the government.
But those social media accounts, we never have the ownership papers. It means they are not ours, right?
the account you have in social media is yours but its also owned by the network. all these are just illusion. if the website is shutdown or blocked by your government, then you can forget about your social media account. just like what happened in Brazil.
No, it is not ours. Even the accounts have our data, it is just the data for membership. Sure, it is all the illusion. When the platforms of the social media dissapear, we have no chance to access them anymore. That's why it is very risky to put the private data in the social media accounts.
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Yes, is my if it is been registered by me! But I know one day it won’t be my again or even be bound from using it after a several years of not being login on it, which can either be of my death, or notice to have been hacked by hackers, will wish to dump it for another one to avoid being Manipulated. This my own view in the said topic.
This reminds me of the mobile networks we make use of, I bought an mtn sim card and after two days I started receiving debit and credit alerts from a bank account that I don't even have, it means that someone else's line was sold to me, this just tells you how nothing is private anymore. No matter how secure your social media space is it can always be breached somehow
You can imagine, how disappointing this was. For you to buy a new sim card, only to notice you are receiving debit and credit alerts of someone else on the sim card, you have not registered it with your bank as a sim card for your bank transaction.
How do you explain this, that the sim card you bought is someone else sim card? If you are to be a hacker, this is how you will tamper with the person's bank account to gain access to it, even their social media accounts are not left out of it
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Yes, is my if it is been registered by me! But I know one day it won’t be my again or even be bound from using it after a several years of not being login on it, which can either be of my death, or notice to have been hacked by hackers, will wish to dump it for another one to avoid being Manipulated. This my own view in the said topic.
This reminds me of the mobile networks we make use of, I bought an mtn sim card and after two days I started receiving debit and credit alerts from a bank account that I don't even have, it means that someone else's line was sold to me, this just tells you how nothing is private anymore. No matter how secure your social media space is it can always be breached somehow
You can imagine, how disappointing this was. For you to buy a new sim card, only to notice you are receiving debit and credit alerts of someone else on the sim card, you have not registered it with your bank as a sim card for your bank transaction.
How do you explain this, that the sim card you bought is someone else sim card? If you are to be a hacker, this is how you will tamper with the person's bank account to gain access to it, even their social media accounts are not left out of it
someone own the sim card in the past is probably true. the network is just seeing the number gets activate so it sends messages.
or it could be some scammers who also have access to the network. in my country, a large scale scam was intercepted by authorities only to find out the group are Chinese who are flushing out the money of the people with debit and credit card are linked to the Telcos.
yup even the mobile numbers you got thru buying simcards are not ours.
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Is your social media account yours?
If you're on a reputed social media platform then yes that account is yours and as long as you don't do something that might be against the rules of the platform, then you're the only owner of the social media account.
However, if someone does wrong things with that social media account then that account may get banned by the social media platform that allowed the users to make their own accounts. Only in case of breaking o rules and posting wrong material can make something like that happen, otherwise the account belongs to the holder and no can change anything in it.