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Title: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Gladitorcomeback on December 25, 2023, 08:38:05 AM
As we know so many companies are willing to list BTC SPOT ETF, Black Rock meet with SEC twice in this month and other companies are also following him. All BTC lover, strong holder waiting for this day impatiently.

(https://i.ibb.co/zF1HwCN/etf.jpg) (https://twitter.com/CryptoLalit151/status/1738596523309679049?t=HqrWss-C1dEzjsh6nEveAQ)

Final deadline of Ark 21shares(ARKB) will be on 10 January 2024 and then others companies final deadline is dated on march 2024. it's mean that we are almost 16 days away from ETF conclusion (most possibly chance of approval).

BTC is already perfect without ETF although this approval will gives opportunity to the ETF lover to invest in btc which somehow help in more adoption. What do you think about ETF, It's advantage or disadvantage? kindly share your thoughts
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Ambatman on December 25, 2023, 10:06:02 PM
Advantage: increases the legality of Bitcoin in the eyes of the public.

Increase the Bitcoin community.etc

Disadvantage: Huge Bitcoin might be controlled by few firms.
It might shift people attention towards their derivatives rather than holding Bitcoin itself. etc
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: sampoerna on December 25, 2023, 11:36:14 PM
It will be a big boost for Bitcoin price if the ETF proposals will be approved. But if it is not approved or delayed, it may bring bad impact to Bitcoin price. Honestly, I am a bit worried that the ETF proposal won't be approved as expected (in January 10, 2024). I don't want to see that many new investors will feel disappointed and they won't continue their investment in crypto anymore. However, I am trying to believe that 2024 will be really the time for the year of ETF approval.

Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Tribalchief on December 26, 2023, 12:24:49 AM
Of course, this is a big advantage to Bitcoin and to those already in the game. When we have more adoption, then there is possibility of seeing price increase. I think this whole process is taking too long, and would make sense if the approval is done once. Aside the ETF, I think 2024 might even be more interesting than 2023, but it is best to witness the approval soon.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: mu_enrico on December 26, 2023, 12:43:04 AM
ETF is highly speculative IMO, so 2024 is more of the year of halving and BRC-20 (Ordinals)...
For sure 2024 is a good year for BTC, and even better if the ETF is approved. But the government seems to always deny Crypto ETF before we can solve the money laundering and market manipulation problem.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: bitmover on December 26, 2023, 01:36:41 AM


BTC is already perfect without ETF although this approval will gives opportunity to the ETF lover to invest in btc which somehow help in more adoption. What do you think about ETF, It's advantage or disadvantage? kindly share your thoughts

More than "etf lovers", it will give possibilities for Institutional investors to go in bitcoin.

Some Institutions still have limitations due to regulatory requirements and can't buy bitcoin directly,  but they could buy an etf.

Disadvantage: Huge Bitcoin might be controlled by few firms.
It might shift people attention towards their derivatives rather than holding Bitcoin itself. etc

I think huge amounts of bircoin are already controlled by great players such as exchanges and miners.

I hope it won't be a problem, and bitcoin will continue to be wild and decentralized
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Gladitorcomeback on December 26, 2023, 06:54:06 AM
It will be a big boost for Bitcoin price if the ETF proposals will be approved. But if it is not approved or delayed, it may bring bad impact to Bitcoin price. Honestly, I am a bit worried that the ETF proposal won't be approved as expected (in January 10, 2024). I don't want to see that many new investors will feel disappointed and they won't continue their investment in crypto anymore. However, I am trying to believe that 2024 will be really the time for the year of ETF approval.
My opinion is different than yours. I don't think if ETF is not approved or delayed it'll do any impact on Bitcoin's price. neither it'll disappoint the investors, I don't think anyone would stop trusting on Bitcoin just because of ETF.
Bitcoin have been here for around 15 years without ETF bullshit and has been constantly growing in number of adoption and investors. just wait and see.

ETF is highly speculative IMO, so 2024 is more of the year of halving and BRC-20 (Ordinals)...
For sure 2024 is a good year for BTC, and even better if the ETF is approved. But the government seems to always deny Crypto ETF before we can solve the money laundering and market manipulation problem.
You think BRC20 craze will continue in 2024? they are already causing a lot of chaos in Bitcoin network (high transactions fee are because of these BRC20). On the other hand halving is one thing I am looking forward to the most.
I think Govt is intentionally trying to delay ETF and I don't think their actually motive is to solve money laundering and market manipulation problem. they just hate bitcoin because if bitcoin gets more adoption they'll loose control over people's money.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Condorlaib on December 26, 2023, 09:00:56 AM
In this regard, I am watching how things will go with investments from Black Rock. This will be a tremendous stimulus for growth.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: mu_enrico on January 01, 2024, 06:51:53 AM
You think BRC20 craze will continue in 2024? they are already causing a lot of chaos in Bitcoin network (high transactions fee are because of these BRC20).
Yeah, I think BRC20 hype is still present in 2024 (NFA, DYOR) since there are still lots of people who don't know about it. Take a look at Binance, it only lists ORDI and SATS, just recently. I think many will come in 2024. The risk is that if BTC decides to fork to disable ordinals then BRC20 market will rekt.

ETF is still a speculation while the ordinals are already here and working.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Bobcrypto on January 01, 2024, 08:58:09 AM
Thought Bitcoin ETF is believeed to boost the price of Bitcoin and the altcoins market, I also think that Bitcoin Halvimg will much more being about prices increases this Year,2024. However, as ETFs become more popular among investors, we can expect them to have an effect on the crypto market. It is only natural given that it can allow more people to participate and will also allow for more opportunities to be creative with their investments.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Baofeng on January 01, 2024, 09:44:35 AM
Advantage: increases the legality of Bitcoin in the eyes of the public.

Increase the Bitcoin community.etc

Disadvantage: Huge Bitcoin might be controlled by few firms.
It might shift people attention towards their derivatives rather than holding Bitcoin itself. etc

I don't know if if we can call it as a disadvantage, bitcoin might hard to get though, as everyone will be fighting for every sats that is available, and with the halving coming in, difficult will increased.

And I think it wll be more advantageous for us, average joe bitcoin holder. I mean we are ahead of the game and we have a lot of time to stack sats till the approval and the subsequent pouring of institutional money in the market. It's just a matter on when we are going to sell our stack to this company.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: MVL~$ on January 01, 2024, 10:04:33 AM
ETFs may help Bitcoin rise in price in 2024. ETFs have become very popular these days. Through which it can be said that in 2024 ETF can have an impact on Bitcoin, I think. In 2024, the Bitcoin market will advance better than in 2023. And I think a history is going to be made with Bitcoin this year.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Evgenklm on January 02, 2024, 07:21:53 PM
While Bitcoin is already an ideal investment asset, the approval of ETFs could propel it to new all-time highs and widespread adoption among ETF enthusiasts. This event is eagerly anticipated by many, especially considering the significant interest shown by funds like BlackRock in Bitcoin. It's an encouraging sign that could contribute to Bitcoin's broader acceptance and potentially lead to new ATHs.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: salad daging on January 02, 2024, 08:22:40 PM
While Bitcoin is already an ideal investment asset, the approval of ETFs could propel it to new all-time highs and widespread adoption among ETF enthusiasts. This event is eagerly anticipated by many, especially considering the significant interest shown by funds like BlackRock in Bitcoin. It's an encouraging sign that could contribute to Bitcoin's broader acceptance and potentially lead to new ATHs.
I'm not sure that the ETF approval will push Bitcoin to ATH, especially since the halving hasn't happened yet, this doesn't reflect the previous cycle, although you can say anything can happen.

At least the approval of the ETF will encourage more investors to enter because several large institutions have made large purchases like microstrategy which always buys in millions of dollars, another thing is that bitcoin has now become widespread among other investors but the adoption of payments is still very minimal, maybe this is need more time but I believe bitcoin can change the world economy.

Currently, many governments have started to pay attention to bitcoin, even with their virtual money CBCD with blockchain technology that the government is currently developing.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Ambatman on January 02, 2024, 10:34:29 PM
Bitcoin ETF is becoming more talked about than the halving LOL. Its just a couple of days away and any decision would definitely have a huge effect in the market. Rejection or postponement would cause a dip while approval would create a 2 year high. Beating the ATH would require around 40% that's alot. I can see it crossing the $50K threshold or even hitting the $60's but creating a new ATH would be harder since people will start selling the news.

While accumulating BTC for the upcoming pump don't forget to add promising coins to your portfolio.Lets ride this bull like Cow boys and girls 8)
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: trendcoin on January 02, 2024, 11:06:20 PM
I think Bitcoin is a really simple and easy-to-use technology, but some traditional investors are hesitant to invest in Bitcoin because they find it complex. Also, some older people I've spoken to have told me that it's scary that when they lose keywords, they lose their Bitcoin. If the ETF is approved, I think there will be a very high level of Bitcoin purchases because people who have difficulty adapting to this technology will be able to buy Bitcoin through intermediaries. ETF approval will definitely be a positive development for us.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: alltalk on January 02, 2024, 11:19:46 PM
I'm not sure that the ETF approval will push Bitcoin to ATH, especially since the halving hasn't happened yet, this doesn't reflect the previous cycle, although you can say anything can happen.
Why not? I'm pretty sure that the ETF approval will create a big hype in crypto and it will trigger a huge increase in Bitcoin/altcoins prices. Although Bitcoin halving didn't happen yet, it is very possible to push Bitcoin price. I think it is not impossible that the price of Bitcoin passed the last ATH, but maybe it won't be the ATH of Bitcoin price in the next bullrun season. Sure, the ETH probably happens after the Bitcoin halving.

At least the approval of the ETF will encourage more investors to enter because several large institutions have made large purchases like microstrategy which always buys in millions of dollars, another thing is that bitcoin has now become widespread among other investors but the adoption of payments is still very minimal, maybe this is need more time but I believe bitcoin can change the world economy.
Indeed, the good news about ETH approval will make more investors to join crypto investment, including Bitcoin. This actually will make a big hype, it will be a big support to push crypto prices. I don't know whether it can increase the adoption of Bitcoin, but it surely will help the increase of Bitcoin value.

Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: jonathancool220 on January 03, 2024, 08:59:01 AM
As we know so many companies are willing to list BTC SPOT ETF
Hi mate, what is the meaning of ETF?
I've checked on Google but I'm afraid I'll misinterpret it and it's better if I ask on the altcoinstalks forum.
But I also tried to understand every article that discussed Bitcoin ETFs on Google and contained more positive things for the acceptance of Bitcoin ETFs, is that true?
How can I describe whether a Bitcoin ETF will have a good or bad impact because I don't know in detail the meaning of a Bitcoin ETF. Hopefully in this forum, especially in reply to my thread, hopefully you will get an answer soon. Thanks!
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: KingsDen on January 03, 2024, 09:26:45 AM
Advantage: increases the legality of Bitcoin in the eyes of the public.

Increase the Bitcoin community.etc

Disadvantage: Huge Bitcoin might be controlled by few firms.
It might shift people attention towards their derivatives rather than holding Bitcoin itself. etc
Every advantage has a disadvantage. But in this bitcoin ETF, it seems we need it irrespective of its disadvantages. Bitcoin has suffered so much in the hands of the government, if this arrangement will reconcile bitcoin with the different governments of the world I'll appreciate it.
As we anticipate positive response and welcome global adoption, we should also anticipate stricter regulations.
But I am not scared of all this, my major problem is that let the decentralized nature of bitcoin not be affected and manipulated by a few individual.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Peter90 on January 03, 2024, 11:19:29 AM
Advantage: increases the legality of Bitcoin in the eyes of the public.

Increase the Bitcoin community.etc

Disadvantage: Huge Bitcoin might be controlled by few firms.
It might shift people attention towards their derivatives rather than holding Bitcoin itself. etc

Good points!

Positive: Improve BTC looks as a "respectable" investment --> Improve the looks of the BTC community, from fringe people to respectable investors.

Negative: A BTC ETF is not BTC.

I'm not going to touch the issue of who is the legal owner of the BTC's contained in the ETF (the company managing the ETF or the shareholders?).
Even if the shareholders are the legal owners of the ETF BTC's (in which case that ETF strictly speaking couldn't be called a derivative), it's a fact that those ETF's are financial products of financial firms.

What was once considered - and maybe designed to be? - as the big alternative to fiat currencies becomes now one of the many financial products of some investment bank.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Asiska02 on January 03, 2024, 12:06:51 PM
BTC is already perfect without ETF although this approval will gives opportunity to the ETF lover to invest in btc which somehow help in more adoption. What do you think about ETF, It's advantage or disadvantage? kindly share your thoughts

I am not opposing or supporting the approval of Bitcoin ETF because it has both advantage and disadvantage in the bitcoin market. If approved, we will have more investors in bitcoin and will increase the adoption of it which is what all bitcoin enthusiasts are looking up to. The core disadvantage I see in this is the effect it will cause to the market, it will make the market breed in an increasingly volatile nature that will make a lot of changes to the price. A project causing a significant change in the market is not appealing to the market and many investors won’t like the idea.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Master107 on January 03, 2024, 12:38:38 PM
ETF approval will send Bitcoin rapidly to moon. Much awaited moment for everybody that are into crypto and waiting for another round of pump harder.

I also observe a lot of dramas and speculations are going on with regards of this. Even coinbase is excited about the possible result and they are prepared.

Me too a believer of approval.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Peter90 on January 03, 2024, 12:59:48 PM
If approved, we will have more investors in bitcoin and will increase the adoption of it which is what all bitcoin enthusiasts are looking up to.

I'm not sure that this is the kind of adoption bitcoin enthusiasts are looking up to.

The adoption we are looking up to is usage as everyday money, acceptance by businesses as a means of payment.
Without that kind of adoption bitcoin - cryptocurrencies in general - have basically failed.

The contribution of an ETF to that kind of adoption is zero.



Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Gurujebs on January 03, 2024, 01:32:56 PM
BTC is already perfect without ETF although this approval will gives opportunity to the ETF lover to invest in btc which somehow help in more adoption. What do you think about ETF, It's advantage or disadvantage? kindly share your thoughts

I am not opposing or supporting the approval of Bitcoin ETF because it has both advantage and disadvantage in the bitcoin market. If approved, we will have more investors in bitcoin and will increase the adoption of it which is what all bitcoin enthusiasts are looking up to. The core disadvantage I see in this is the effect it will cause to the market, it will make the market breed in an increasingly volatile nature that will make a lot of changes to the price. A project causing a significant change in the market is not appealing to the market and many investors won’t like the idea.

Maybe at first but in the long run, many restrictions will come and it will make the Bitcoin market centralized. Some minutes ago, bitcoin crashed from $45k to $40k, this must be a result of ETF rejection, there are no official updates regarding it yet but I'm seeing some FUD of rejection in some channels circulating the media. This is what I'm talking about, if bitcoin becomes a tool of the government, it will have its completed time and I fear there is going to be more restriction than ever.

Many people want this just because they want US validation and more liquidity but this will not make any difference even if they accept the ETF later in the future, I hope we have an official update from the SEC director to clear the air so as to not manipulate the price of bitcoin and know where bitcoin stands in the united state.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Peter90 on January 04, 2024, 12:12:55 PM
I think Govt is intentionally trying to delay ETF and I don't think their actually motive is to solve money laundering and market manipulation problem. they just hate bitcoin because if bitcoin gets more adoption they'll loose control over people's money.

I agree

It's about confidence in the US dollar. Approval of the BTC ETF would boost acceptance of BTC as a "respected" investment, or even as a respected currency! putting BTC in direct competition with the legal currency, the US dollar.
While the $ is undergoing the highest depreciation rate in the last 40 years, this would be the worst time for presenting to the public a new respected currency.


“An ETF would certainly enable crypto overall to take off, and based on Gensler’s comments in December 2023, he still sees this industry in need of more stringent compliance,” Thielen said. “From a political perspective, there is no reason to approve a Bitcoin Spot ETF that would legitimize Bitcoin as an alternative store of value.”

www.kitco.com (https://www.kitco.com/news/article/2024-01-03/crypto-market-cap-falls-110-billion-after-etf-rejection-rumors)


On the other side, given that the issuer of the new BTC ETF is Blackrock, I think the approval could be only delayed.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Uruhara on January 04, 2024, 01:52:53 PM
Spot Bitcoin ETFs will bring more adoption and introduction to the wider community. We know who big companies like Blackrock are. And certainly with them coming into this industry it's a signal to us that greater adoption may soon grow more quickly. Because when big companies like them enter a business or project, they will try to make it a success. included in bitcoin.

Yesterday there was a rumor about an ETF that might not be approved which shook the market causing Bitcoin to fall from 45k to 40k in a few minutes. Yes, it was a bloody tragedy because many futures traders were liquidated due to the decline. And luckily it's just an issue. So the market rose again quite stably. Well I hope we get our bearings before things escalate any faster. Dwyor
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: ultrloa on January 04, 2024, 02:56:00 PM
BTC is already perfect without ETF although this approval will gives opportunity to the ETF lover to invest in btc which somehow help in more adoption. What do you think about ETF, It's advantage or disadvantage? kindly share your thoughts

I am not opposing or supporting the approval of Bitcoin ETF because it has both advantage and disadvantage in the bitcoin market. If approved, we will have more investors in bitcoin and will increase the adoption of it which is what all bitcoin enthusiasts are looking up to. The core disadvantage I see in this is the effect it will cause to the market, it will make the market breed in an increasingly volatile nature that will make a lot of changes to the price. A project causing a significant change in the market is not appealing to the market and many investors won’t like the idea.

Maybe at first but in the long run, many restrictions will come and it will make the Bitcoin market centralized. Some minutes ago, bitcoin crashed from $45k to $40k, this must be a result of ETF rejection, there are no official updates regarding it yet but I'm seeing some FUD of rejection in some channels circulating the media. This is what I'm talking about, if bitcoin becomes a tool of the government, it will have its completed time and I fear there is going to be more restriction than ever.

Many people want this just because they want US validation and more liquidity but this will not make any difference even if they accept the ETF later in the future, I hope we have an official update from the SEC director to clear the air so as to not manipulate the price of bitcoin and know where bitcoin stands in the united state.

Its like they are just playing with bitcoin since these guys seems using that ETF rejection for fud purposes so that they can make the market move.

I'm starting not to like this ETF since for many times its keep rejected by those officials. Maybe they should wait for bitcoin to get established first and get more adoption before they apply so that by the time they submit another ETF approval thing then they have more better chances to get approve.

And not like this where we don't know if we can see something beneficial or not in long run.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: MrSpasybo on January 04, 2024, 06:06:02 PM
Right now, we are closer to BTC Spot ETF than ever before. The deadline for SEC to provide a response to ArkInvest is January 10, so official news will come within a week. I don't think SEC will do anything foolish to anger the world's largest investment funds, however, for some reason, they may temporarily refuse and ask ArkInvest to supplement APs info. But in the end, BTC Spot ETF will still arrive in 2024 to meet the needs of investors in United States.

What I am focusing on is predicting the short-term impact of Spot ETF on BTC price and overall crypto market. The risk of "selling the news" still exists and BTC price is moving sideways waiting for news to "react". Hope we will have a breakout instead of a breakdown 30%  8)
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: gunhell16 on January 04, 2024, 08:07:46 PM
I really think that this year of 2024 will be the most unusual when it comes to the Bitcoin spot ETF, because it might be the first time that the SEC of the US will have approval of those who have submitted applications.

And many of us are really expecting this matter, and the SEC can't really do anything without approval because, as I read, if the SEC doesn't do that, they will have a problem with that matter and they will face a big lawsuit or case, and for sure, the SEC will not like it.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: yhiaali3 on January 04, 2024, 08:40:54 PM
BTC SPOT ETF has advantages and disadvantages, the advantages are in bringing more investors to the Bitcoin market and of course this will lead to the higher prices that everyone desires.

The disadvantages are the increase in the number of whales and large companies that control the Bitcoin market, and this may lead to increased volatility due to market manipulation. Also, this will bring more regulatory government interventions that try to contain crypto.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on January 04, 2024, 11:17:38 PM
BTC SPOT ETF has advantages and disadvantages, the advantages are in bringing more investors to the Bitcoin market and of course this will lead to the higher prices that everyone desires.

The disadvantages are the increase in the number of whales and large companies that control the Bitcoin market, and this may lead to increased volatility due to market manipulation. Also, this will bring more regulatory government interventions that try to contain crypto.

Without a doubt, it is something that we must accept and that we may have to make our decisions, but in view of this, adoption is a fact and Everything that is related to making things better, if they are completely fine, then this means that when we Are looking for improvements so that bitcoin is accepted, it is the 'most efficient way to do it, of course when we see that if the ETF is Approved this January 10, then things will be favorable and we will see a shot upwards, It is only the safest thing, of course that is what I can think, in case the price cannot go down, these are the things that can make the price rise this month, and then the price will look for its cause in case the price get off

but now things are very favorable, I'm just saying something, we just have to wait or better, the more they buy bitcoin is what can be recommended, or at least I can recommend that for now, because bitcoin is a safe Investment , and while it is in these approvals things will happen for the Better.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: vegasus on January 04, 2024, 11:53:37 PM
This Bitcoin ETF is a much-awaited moment for investors or anyone in the crypto world. because usually the effect is quite influential on the price of Bitcoin. we have experienced it before last season. if it is successful then the chances of Bitcoin surging significantly are quite high.

So here is how we respond to this because however there are still things we need to pay attention to when we invest in Bitcoin to reduce risk. At least we have to understand the Bitcoin cycle at moments like this and remain wise and not panic about selling or buying without basic calculations.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: pawel7777 on January 05, 2024, 12:45:28 AM
Final deadline of Ark 21shares(ARKB) will be on 10 January 2024 and then others companies final deadline is dated on march 2024.

Anyone else is starting to get a bit nervous about the SEC not announcing anything yet? I don't think them waiting for the last moment is a good sign. Everyone seems to be taking the approval for granted and I understand why, but SEC has already proven they can do what they want.
Maybe a high-leveraged short position just before 10th is not a bad idea? Just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on January 05, 2024, 08:17:25 AM
Final deadline of Ark 21shares(ARKB) will be on 10 January 2024 and then others companies final deadline is dated on march 2024.

Anyone else is starting to get a bit nervous about the SEC not announcing anything yet? I don't think them waiting for the last moment is a good sign. Everyone seems to be taking the approval for granted and I understand why, but SEC has already proven they can do what they want.
Maybe a high-leveraged short position just before 10th is not a bad idea? Just thinking out loud.
As optimistic as I am and want to be concerning this whole ETF approval stuff or should I call it bruhaha, I still can not help but agree with you, the SEC seem to wild power of their own and like the previous government that ruled Nigeria, they can do anything they want regardless of court ruling or what the says or states is right.

And concerning opening an over leveraged short position before the 10th of this month, that could also be as risky AF, but still a good idea if a trader has a $30 to $100 he or she is ready to completely lose.

But on the other hand, the SEC could be keeping quiet for a reason though, and one of those reasons could be that, they don't want to be seen as manipulating the market, you and I will agree that all eyes are on SEC right now, and anything they say now that hints to the approval of the bitcoin spot ETF, will drastically drive the price of bitcoin up, and at the end, this could all turn out to be a "buy the rumor, sell the news" kind of thing, which to me, wont be good.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on January 05, 2024, 10:33:41 AM
Anyone else is starting to get a bit nervous about the SEC not announcing anything yet? I don't think them waiting for the last moment is a good sign. Everyone seems to be taking the approval for granted and I understand why, but SEC has already proven they can do what they want.
Maybe a high-leveraged short position just before 10th is not a bad idea? Just thinking out loud.
I'm sorry, have you seen how many times this news story has been manipulated already? There's absolutely no guarantee that tomorrow they'll say again: "We accept the ETF..." and a few days later, they'll say, "We reject the ETF, through a lot of mistakes."  ;D

I think acceptance cannot be avoided, but how many more times this news will be manipulated is unclear. Also, how many more fake news will be made by the media. We'll wait and see, there's nothing to guess.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Faisal2202 on January 06, 2024, 11:14:39 PM
BTC is already perfect without ETF although this approval will gives opportunity to the ETF lover to invest in btc which somehow help in more adoption. What do you think about ETF, It's advantage or disadvantage? kindly share your thoughts
I won't call people who have invested in BTC as BTC lovers because most of them including me is in it because it ensures profits and it is king, and the chances of making a profit from it are higher than any other digital asset.

Talking about advantages, it has a hell lot of them like it will increase demand, and trust among traditional investors who still doubt BTC, and availability (it is already available all the time but still not in every country especially via banking system). It will increase BTC dominance and people will make 3 to 5x easily.

And talking about disadvantages, it can cause more damage to BTC, as BTC blockchain is not that scalable to handle that much adoption as transactions fee are already touching sky, it could effect the decentralization factor, those who will bought shares of the companies like BlackRock just because BR is backed by BTC must be idiot they should buy BTC directly not via some company, actually people are seeking extra insurance and safety as well.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Evgenklm on January 07, 2024, 11:02:29 AM
I often see news on this topic, BlackRock and other companies have already met with the SEC in December... most likely there are already some agreements in place. I am convinced that sooner or later it will happen; there are many prerequisites for this. I am already anticipating the impact on the market with the positive news from the SEC. In any case, all we can do is wait and observe and, of course, react promptly to such news.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: dekafee79 on January 27, 2024, 12:45:38 PM

ETF approval will send Bitcoin rapidly to moon. Much awaited moment for everybody that are into crypto and waiting for another round of pump harder.

I also observe a lot of dramas and speculations are going on with regards of this. Even coinbase is excited about the possible result and they are prepared.

Me too a believer of approval.

According to predictions and theory, ETF approval should have a positive impact on Bitcoin, but in the  fact after the ETF was approved, the price of Bitcoin fell.  This does not match predictions.  Although from what I read there are whales who sell large amounts of their bitcoins.
Please wait the bitcoin progress at the next several weeks.
If bitcoin goes up to $ 45 K, I think It's just correction.
Bitcoin will recover again.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: pawel7777 on January 27, 2024, 03:58:31 PM
According to predictions and theory, ETF approval should have a positive impact on Bitcoin, but in the  fact after the ETF was approved, the price of Bitcoin fell.  This does not match predictions.  Although from what I read there are whales who sell large amounts of their bitcoins.
Please wait the bitcoin progress at the next several weeks.
If bitcoin goes up to $ 45 K, I think It's just correction.
Bitcoin will recover again.

The problem is, anyone can make predictions. But if you listened to people more knowledgeable in trading, most of them considered the dip might happen due to a lot of people "selling the news". But what we had also seen, which hardly anyone predicted, was the sale of the FTX's shares in Greyscale spot ETF (GBTC) worth around $1 billion. Luckily, they've already sold all of them.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: pacar_tiri on January 27, 2024, 06:55:34 PM
The problem is, anyone can make predictions. But if you listened to people more knowledgeable in trading, most of them considered the dip might happen due to a lot of people "selling the news". But what we had also seen, which hardly anyone predicted, was the sale of the FTX's shares in Greyscale spot ETF (GBTC) worth around $1 billion. Luckily, they've already sold all of them.
No one can give a correct prediction, even a very rich person will definitely miss, except for those whales who have a lot of money who often regulate the circulation of money in the world, so they have the potential to influence coin price movements. Bitcoin was beaten some time ago by Greyscale. but in reality strong support from Bitcoin enthusiasts made the price recover.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: yohananaomi on January 29, 2024, 07:44:36 PM
I often see news on this topic, BlackRock and other companies have already met with the SEC in December... most likely there are already some agreements in place. I am convinced that sooner or later it will happen; there are many prerequisites for this. I am already anticipating the impact on the market with the positive news from the SEC. In any case, all we can do is wait and observe and, of course, react promptly to such news.
Progress that continues to develop cannot be avoided; as you say, it is no longer a secret and everyone already knows about it, but we must remember that every update will have an impact, possibly good or bad.ETF Bitcoin has been approved and will continue to grow with ETF Ethereum , and it will always continue to do so as long as the market is able to accept it and there is indeed a share for it.No one can avoid this, and everyone must also be prepared to accept it. So we must be prepared for something that will happen in the future, and there is no need to worry too much because development cannot stop it.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Baofeng on February 04, 2024, 01:15:14 PM

ETF approval will send Bitcoin rapidly to moon. Much awaited moment for everybody that are into crypto and waiting for another round of pump harder.

I also observe a lot of dramas and speculations are going on with regards of this. Even coinbase is excited about the possible result and they are prepared.

Me too a believer of approval.

According to predictions and theory, ETF approval should have a positive impact on Bitcoin, but in the  fact after the ETF was approved, the price of Bitcoin fell.  This does not match predictions.  Although from what I read there are whales who sell large amounts of their bitcoins.
Please wait the bitcoin progress at the next several weeks.
If bitcoin goes up to $ 45 K, I think It's just correction.
Bitcoin will recover again.

So far we have seen the effects of Bitcoin ETF approval, and nope there is no moon but instead the price dip to $39k. But this is just short term though, we should look at the long term of effect of ETF and maybe after the block halving, it could be considered as one of the factors that can sent the market into a bull run, so let's see.

And we all know who's who as far as Bitcoin ETF, this are big institutional investors and so I believed that the money will go inside this year and will push the market to 6 digits.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on February 05, 2024, 09:55:38 AM
The problem is, anyone can make predictions. But if you listened to people more knowledgeable in trading, most of them considered the dip might happen due to a lot of people "selling the news". But what we had also seen, which hardly anyone predicted, was the sale of the FTX's shares in Greyscale spot ETF (GBTC) worth around $1 billion. Luckily, they've already sold all of them.
Do you think the big giants are just hoarding bitcoin for no reason? If you analyze their actions, they bought both at 50-60 thousand for 1 bitcoin and the whole period of the fall (up to 16 thousand).

Found, so interesting information, namely: Did you know MicroStrategy has sold 704 bitcoins in the past?

They sold 704 bitcoins on December 22, 2022 for tax purposes when they were valued at $16,776 and received $11,800,000 for them.

P.S. I wonder what happened that they decided to sell off the assets they bought so badly.  :o

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Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Papusha20 on February 07, 2024, 01:11:39 PM
As we know so many companies are willing to list BTC SPOT ETF, Black Rock meet with SEC twice in this month and other companies are also following him. All BTC lover, strong holder waiting for this day impatiently.

(https://i.ibb.co/zF1HwCN/etf.jpg) (https://twitter.com/CryptoLalit151/status/1738596523309679049?t=HqrWss-C1dEzjsh6nEveAQ)

Final deadline of Ark 21shares(ARKB) will be on 10 January 2024 and then others companies final deadline is dated on march 2024. it's mean that we are almost 16 days away from ETF conclusion (most possibly chance of approval).

BTC is already perfect without ETF although this approval will gives opportunity to the ETF lover to invest in btc which somehow help in more adoption. What do you think about ETF, It's advantage or disadvantage? kindly share your thoughts

The Bitcoin ETF is approved in 2024 but has not had any impact on the current price of Bitcoin. A lot of investors invested their assets in Bitcoin because Bitcoin ETF will be approved. With only a small amount of bitcoin price increase, I assumed that the bitcoin price would increase significantly before the bitcoin halving took place. But no, quite the opposite has happened since the Bitcoin price experienced a massive downward spiral. But the year after the Bitcoin halving is most likely to see the highest increase in the price of Bitcoin.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: bitterguy28 on February 08, 2024, 06:01:30 AM
As we know so many companies are willing to list BTC SPOT ETF, Black Rock meet with SEC twice in this month and other companies are also following him. All BTC lover, strong holder waiting for this day impatiently.

(https://i.ibb.co/zF1HwCN/etf.jpg) (https://twitter.com/CryptoLalit151/status/1738596523309679049?t=HqrWss-C1dEzjsh6nEveAQ)

Final deadline of Ark 21shares(ARKB) will be on 10 January 2024 and then others companies final deadline is dated on march 2024. it's mean that we are almost 16 days away from ETF conclusion (most possibly chance of approval).

BTC is already perfect without ETF although this approval will gives opportunity to the ETF lover to invest in btc which somehow help in more adoption. What do you think about ETF, It's advantage or disadvantage? kindly share your thoughts
But it is more perfect with ETF though so far we are still waiting if this is going to happen as after a month ? ETF is still now bringing  better effect to the market .

How long are we going to wait for that much  increase though today ? we are seeing some good movement , hitting 44k again and showing some points of this hitting 45k and above.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: gunhell16 on February 08, 2024, 07:17:16 AM

ETF approval will send Bitcoin rapidly to moon. Much awaited moment for everybody that are into crypto and waiting for another round of pump harder.

I also observe a lot of dramas and speculations are going on with regards of this. Even coinbase is excited about the possible result and they are prepared.

Me too a believer of approval.

According to predictions and theory, ETF approval should have a positive impact on Bitcoin, but in the  fact after the ETF was approved, the price of Bitcoin fell.  This does not match predictions.  Although from what I read there are whales who sell large amounts of their bitcoins.
Please wait the bitcoin progress at the next several weeks.
If bitcoin goes up to $ 45 K, I think It's just correction.
Bitcoin will recover again.

Many communities here in the crypto space indeed expected that after the SEC approval of the bitcoin spot, there would be an immediate rally in its bitcoin price in the market, but many were disappointed, and others may be frustrated or wondering.

This is just proof that the market is unpredictable, and no one can predict correctly or exactly what will happen in the future. But even though the price of Bitcoin declined after the approval of the SEC, in less than a month, the companies that were approved on the spot etf have immediately collected a lot of Bitcoin, so meaning here, won't we wonder why they are accumulating Bitcoin?

It also means that there is a demand, and it is high for my opinion and vision, honestly speaking.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: therozaq on February 08, 2024, 10:29:38 AM

Many communities here in the crypto space indeed expected that after the SEC approval of the bitcoin spot, there would be an immediate rally in its bitcoin price in the market, but many were disappointed, and others may be frustrated or wondering.
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Absolutely yes, Many people have high expectation about ETF approved. Hopefully it will have good effect for bitcoin at the next several months again. Current bitcoin price is $ 44,609 It seems too easy to bit 45K at this weekend. Bitcoin will touch around 50-60K during halving, If happens ATH 2025 will touch 150K USD.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Bitcoin_people on February 09, 2024, 03:46:21 AM
Many companies have consulted with the SEC after offering bitcoin spot ETFs and said they want to list with bitcoin. However, it is very interesting that if big companies start trading with Bitcoin, then this coin has the potential to do better in the future. We have seen the price of Bitcoin go from very low to very high levels and we expect it to rise further. Already many shopping malls and factories in many countries and abroad accept Bitcoin for transactions and even small shops are accepting Bitcoin payments now. According to this when the demand of Bitcoin increases day by day more people will be interested in Bitcoin and its value will increase more.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on February 09, 2024, 11:56:55 PM
Many companies have consulted with the SEC after offering bitcoin spot ETFs and said they want to list with bitcoin. However, it is very interesting that if big companies start trading with Bitcoin, then this coin has the potential to do better in the future. We have seen the price of Bitcoin go from very low to very high levels and we expect it to rise further. Already many shopping malls and factories in many countries and abroad accept Bitcoin for transactions and even small shops are accepting Bitcoin payments now. According to this when the demand of Bitcoin increases day by day more people will be interested in Bitcoin and its value will increase more.
Bitcoin price movements that occur in Spot ETFs are very fast, and this can have an influence on exchange conditions, which make it possible to bring in new traders to enter Bitcoin and try to trade using Bitcoin. In this way, it can make Bitcoin prices soar high and provide a lot of profit for Bitcoin supporters.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: doc on February 10, 2024, 03:26:05 AM

Bitcoin price movements that occur in Spot ETFs are very fast, and this can have an influence on exchange conditions, which make it possible to bring in new traders to enter Bitcoin and try to trade using Bitcoin. In this way, it can make Bitcoin prices soar high and provide a lot of profit for Bitcoin supporters.


Absolutely yes, ETF bitcoin will make bitcoin price go high at bullish. As we all see now, bitcoin price is increasing day by day at this week and touch $ 47K.  ETF has big impact for bitcoin , that it will influence all of atlcoins. As a holder of bitcoin , I'm really happy to face bullish season.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: de_prof on February 17, 2024, 09:16:39 PM

Bitcoin price movements that occur in Spot ETFs are very fast, and this can have an influence on exchange conditions, which make it possible to bring in new traders to enter Bitcoin and try to trade using Bitcoin. In this way, it can make Bitcoin prices soar high and provide a lot of profit for Bitcoin supporters.


Absolutely yes, ETF bitcoin will make bitcoin price go high at bullish. As we all see now, bitcoin price is increasing day by day at this week and touch $ 47K.  ETF has big impact for bitcoin , that it will influence all of atlcoins. As a holder of bitcoin , I'm really happy to face bullish season.

Yeah , I see Bitcoin shows good  price and touched at $ 52K at last week. great achievement.  ETF Bitcoin has good impact. By seeing this , I believe Bitcoin will touch new ATH around $150K. This is very good, if we hold Bitcoin until the bullish season.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on February 18, 2024, 09:49:53 AM
Yeah , I see Bitcoin shows good  price and touched at $ 52K at last week. great achievement.  ETF Bitcoin has good impact. By seeing this , I believe Bitcoin will touch new ATH around $150K. This is very good, if we hold Bitcoin until the bullish season.
For me, the price of $150k is very difficult to achieve because currently the price of Bitcoin has started to weaken, which has finally caused the price of Bitcoin to fall to $50.6k. Hopefully there is more good news that can make Bitcoin price movements increase quickly so that it can provide a lot of profit. The new ATH will probably be reached next year, but no one can be sure exactly when that will happen.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Jamal Aezaz on February 18, 2024, 04:38:12 PM
Yeah , I see Bitcoin shows good  price and touched at $ 52K at last week. great achievement.  ETF Bitcoin has good impact. By seeing this , I believe Bitcoin will touch new ATH around $150K. This is very good, if we hold Bitcoin until the bullish season.

52k$ achievement is a good achievement and I think it will touch 100k$ after halving. There is no doubt that bitcoin can attain the value of 150k$ but this is highest target and I assume that this will take some more time. We should not loss hope because good time comes in future and future is always brighter than past like the price of bitcoin was too much lower but now its three times more than past price.

If some more good news arise then chances will increase and may be it reach to 150k$ because everything can happen in crypto world and all Fluctuations are related with the news and demands so if these remains positive then there will be no hurdles in reaching to the value of 150k$.
Title: Re: 2024: The Year of ETF
Post by: Crypto Library on February 18, 2024, 05:11:20 PM
52k$ achievement is a good achievement and I think it will touch 100k$ after halving. There is no doubt that bitcoin can attain the value of 150k$ but this is highest target and I assume that this will take some more time. We should not loss hope because good time comes in future and future is always brighter than past like the price of bitcoin was too much lower but now its three times more than past price.

If some more good news arise then chances will increase and may be it reach to 150k$ because everything can happen in crypto world and all Fluctuations are related with the news and demands so if these remains positive then there will be no hurdles in reaching to the value of 150k$.
I will not disagree with you, Because if Bitcoin goes above 100k price after this halving then I don't think it's much of a surprise here. Because Bitcoin has touched its new all-time high price every time within almost a year after the halving season ended. Moreover, before the start of the halving season, the price of Bitcoin was around 10k to 7k in 2020 and then after the end of the halving season, it touched 69k during the bull-run.
Moreover, when Bitcoin touched its all-time high price in 2021 and its previous all-time high price was around 19k, it is understood that it increases several times every time during the bull season, so it can be said that Bitcoin can definitely pass 100k in the next bull run.