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Cryptocurrency Ecosystem => Crypto Wallets => Topic started by: dkbit98 on January 01, 2024, 12:22:34 PM

Title: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on January 01, 2024, 12:22:34 PM
Open source software is made freely and available for possible modification and redistribution by anyone.
Bitcoin is open source and I think that Hardware wallets should also be Open Source so that everyone can check and verify their code.
Not all wallets are open source, and who knows what code they have and if someone can post firmware update with big bug or malicious code.

Hardware wallets with Open Source firmware:

Coolwallet Pro (https://github.com/CoolBitX-Technology/coolwallet-pro-se), Coldcard (https://github.com/Coldcard) and Safepal X1 (https://github.com/SafePalWallet/safepal-x1) devices are source available, NOT open source.

* based on modified Trezor code
** based on ColdCard code
c open source hardware certified by OSHWA (https://certification.oshwa.org/)
r firmware reproduced by walletscrutiny (https://walletscrutiny.com/?verdict=reproducible&platform=hardware) or bitcoinbinary (https://bitcoinbinary.org/).

DIY Open Source Hardware wallets (signing devices) (only for advanced users):

sd Signing Device without permanent storage.


You can check and verify if someone managed to reproduce firmware for this hardware wallets using two websites walletscrutiny (https://walletscrutiny.com/?verdict=reproducible&platform=hardware) and bitcoinbinary (https://bitcoinbinary.org/).


Open Source can also have bugs, and code should be verified and checked before installing.
If anyone knows any other open source hardware wallet please post it here so I can update my list and make corrections.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: Ambatman on January 01, 2024, 01:39:17 PM
Quote
Open Source can also have bugs, and code should be verified and checked before installing.
that's why it's recommended since one can tell if there exist a bug when properly verified and corrections can be made.
The list must be well researched, you mentioned most, including some I am not familiar with. If am going to add then
Coldcard
Ledger but currently located a vulnerability they working on.
Safepal X1, S1 and the pro
Etc

You mentioned foundation passport is using Coldcard old code am curious why you didn't add Coldcard to your list.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on January 01, 2024, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Ambatman on January 01, 2024, 01:39:17 PM
You mentioned foundation passport is using Coldcard old code am curious why you didn't add Coldcard to your list.
I didn't add coldcard wallet because they are not open source wallet anymore, and they sadly have mentally unstable owner nvk.
Coldcard decided to change license to common clause, and that is not open source license, they even false advertised for months:
https://commonsclause.com
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: Ambatman on January 02, 2024, 07:02:59 PM
Wow i never knew.is there any substantial benefits in changing to common clause.they should be informed that most customers use their products because its open source.

Not a user of any hardware wallet for now since i don't really think i have enough Bitcoin to deserve it, only have theoretical knowledge about hardware wallets.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: Zed0X on January 05, 2024, 03:39:58 PM
The list is more than what I was expecting. I think this thread needs to be pinned.

Quote from: Ambatman on January 02, 2024, 07:02:59 PM
Not a user of any hardware wallet for now since i don't really think i have enough Bitcoin to deserve it, only have theoretical knowledge about hardware wallets.
Do not be mistaken. Hardware wallets also support altcoins. Even Trezor, which became widely known as the top HW for BTC, can now accept ETH, DOGE, LTC, and other cryptos. You can visit their website to check which wallet is compatible.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: Hatchy on January 06, 2024, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: Zed0X on January 05, 2024, 03:39:58 PM
Do not be mistaken. Hardware wallets also support altcoins. Even Trezor, which became widely known as the top HW for BTC, can now accept ETH, DOGE, LTC, and other cryptos. You can visit their website to check which wallet is compatible.
Yes, many hardware wallets support multiple cryptocurrencies. These wallets are designed to be versatile and compatible with various coins and tokens. Popular hardware wallets such as Ledger andTrezor, for example, have the capability to store a wide range of cryptocurrencies. Just as @ZedoX have said, it's important to check the list of supported cryptocurrencies on the official website of the wallet provider.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: Z-tight on January 08, 2024, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: Ambatman on January 02, 2024, 07:02:59 PM
Not a user of any hardware wallet for now since i don't really think i have enough Bitcoin to deserve it, only have theoretical knowledge about hardware wallets.
I have heard people say this only to find out that they own a very good amount in BTC, but still do not think it is worth getting a hardware wallet for, i think for someone with > $1k worth of BTC, it may be a good idea to get yourself a hardware wallet.

It may be worth mentioning that you can also set up an airgapped wallet if you don't want to spend money on a hardware wallet, if you know what you are doing and do everything right, it is as safe as a hardware wallet.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: paid2 on February 10, 2024, 11:30:44 AM
Quote from: Z-tight on January 08, 2024, 04:02:29 PM
I have heard people say this only to find out that they own a very good amount in BTC, but still do not think it is worth getting a hardware wallet for, i think for someone with > $1k worth of BTC, it may be a good idea to get yourself a hardware wallet.

In my opinion there is no universal amount. $1k might not seem a lot to someone in the US, but a real fortune to someone in a third world country, for example.

I think that as long as you can't afford to lose your btc without it having real consequences on your personal life, you need to have either a hardware wallet or a clean airgapped computer, even if it is only $500 for example.


I'm increasingly curious about pitrezor. I think I'll try to make one for myself, just to see how it goes. It looks super easy to do btw
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: ABCbits on February 15, 2024, 11:35:40 AM
Quote from: dkbit98 on January 01, 2024, 12:22:34 PM
   
  • Coolwallet Pro SE (? source-available)   (https://github.com/CoolBitX-Technology/coolwallet-pro-se)

It's definitely only source-available since the license explicitly mention it's only allowed for non-commercial use which doesn't meet open source definition.

Quote from: paid2 on February 10, 2024, 11:30:44 AM
Quote from: Z-tight on January 08, 2024, 04:02:29 PM
I have heard people say this only to find out that they own a very good amount in BTC, but still do not think it is worth getting a hardware wallet for, i think for someone with > $1k worth of BTC, it may be a good idea to get yourself a hardware wallet.

In my opinion there is no universal amount. $1k might not seem a lot to someone in the US, but a real fortune to someone in a third world country, for example.

I think that as long as you can't afford to lose your btc without it having real consequences on your personal life, you need to have either a hardware wallet or a clean airgapped computer, even if it is only $500 for example.

And i'd go as far as saying it's still worth it even if total value of your coin is only slightly higher than price of the hardware wallet itself.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on August 03, 2024, 04:39:52 PM
Trezor Safe 5 is now added on the list of Open Source hardware wallets.
This device is similar like Trezor Safe 3, it is using the same secure element, and it only has some improvements with size of touchscreen.
It is more expensive than previous device and it can be purchased for $169.
https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: PX-Z on August 16, 2024, 01:33:58 AM
I just saw this thread lmao, good list of as always. This list proves how people trusts open source projects, even though making their product open source has a negative effect on the business it self like getting copied or whatnot but look at it. Trezor always amazes me with their products and most people chooses this kind over closed source wallets, i can see them still in the market in 10 years unlike those closed source one.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on August 16, 2024, 11:09:32 PM
Quote from: PX-Z on August 16, 2024, 01:33:58 AM
I just saw this thread lmao, good list of as always. This list proves how people trusts open source projects, even though making their product open source has a negative effect on the business it self like getting copied or whatnot but look at it. Trezor always amazes me with their products and most people chooses this kind over closed source wallets, i can see them still in the market in 10 years unlike those closed source one.
There is no negative effect for Trezor or any other open source hardware wallet projects.
It would be the same as saying that it is negative that Bitcoin is open source because we have so many forked coins, but nothing was lost for Bitcoin.
In fact hardware wallets forking code can only contribute imroving it and finding more hidden bugs in code.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: _act_ on August 24, 2024, 07:42:36 PM
Quote from: dkbit98 on August 16, 2024, 11:09:32 PM
Quote from: PX-Z on August 16, 2024, 01:33:58 AM
I just saw this thread lmao, good list of as always. This list proves how people trusts open source projects, even though making their product open source has a negative effect on the business it self like getting copied or whatnot but look at it. Trezor always amazes me with their products and most people chooses this kind over closed source wallets, i can see them still in the market in 10 years unlike those closed source one.
There is no negative effect for Trezor or any other open source hardware wallet projects.
It would be the same as saying that it is negative that Bitcoin is open source because we have so many forked coins, but nothing was lost for Bitcoin.
In fact hardware wallets forking code can only contribute imroving it and finding more hidden bugs in code.
I thought PX-Z is a good poster but this post made me think otherwise. Or should I say that this is how some developers think? But as they think like this, are there still no competition? Coinomi which was a very good open source wallet before changed to close source and the wallet went bad. Trustwallet which is close source, is it the best wallet or the only wallet people are using? That is not possible.  Trezor, passport and other hardware wallets that are open source are still making money. Even if all wallets are close source, there will still be competition.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: PX-Z on August 24, 2024, 08:46:49 PM
Quote from: dkbit98 on August 16, 2024, 11:09:32 PM
There is no negative effect for Trezor or any other open source hardware wallet projects.
It would be the same as saying that it is negative that Bitcoin is open source because we have so many forked coins, but nothing was lost for Bitcoin.
In fact hardware wallets forking code can only contribute improving it and finding more hidden bugs in code.
Talking about open source coins are totally different things. Trezor is on another level on HW products, aside from that its the very first HW wallet, the support from the community towards the company is overflowing. Trezor being as an open source project has nothing to lose, compared to new ones.

Quote from: _act_ on August 24, 2024, 07:42:36 PM
I thought PX-Z is a good poster but this post made me think otherwise. Or should I say that this is how some developers think? But as they think like this, are there still no competition? Coinomi which was a very good open source wallet before changed to close source and the wallet went bad. Trustwallet which is close source, is it the best wallet or the only wallet people are using? That is not possible.  Trezor, passport and other hardware wallets that are open source are still making money. Even if all wallets are close source, there will still be competition.
Its more like in business side perspective, developers just do what their bosses wants. Closed source wallets are usually owned by a business while open source wallets are community driven and community-supported projects so they have nothing to lose. Regardless of the competition, business have so many things to protect and reconsider (codes being fork, intellectual property, app security related, etc.), weighing the potential risks and benefits that's why they remain closed sources.

The fear of being copied and losing control over their product often makes business hesitant to make their software/products open source.

Well, there are some who risks, exceptionally fund their marketing strategy and get extraordinary results.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on August 26, 2024, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: PX-Z on August 24, 2024, 08:46:49 PM
Talking about open source coins are totally different things. Trezor is on another level on HW products, aside from that its the very first HW wallet, the support from the community towards the company is overflowing. Trezor being as an open source project has nothing to lose, compared to new ones.
I didn't notice any other open source hardware wallets losing anything just because they are open source, Keystone, BitBox and Jade are doing fine, same as Satochip.
Like I said before, they can only gain something and improve their code if someone else forks and discovered some new bug in code.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: Mia Chloe on October 25, 2024, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: dkbit98 on August 26, 2024, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: PX-Z on August 24, 2024, 08:46:49 PM
Talking about open source coins are totally different things. Trezor is on another level on HW products, aside from that its the very first HW wallet, the support from the community towards the company is overflowing. Trezor being as an open source project has nothing to lose, compared to new ones.
I didn't notice any other open source hardware wallets losing anything just because they are open source, Keystone, BitBox and Jade are doing fine, sam e as Satochip.
Like I said before, they can only gain something and improve their code if someone else forks and discovered some new bug in code.
Good to see that a thread like this was finally pinned here. I was actually waiting to see if admin would take a action like this. That's because a while back I actually suggested a board for open source wallets and some people though they seemed to buy the idea were also simultaneously of the opinion that we have way too many boards lying around the forum so I suggested a thread would be good too.

I think another thread for open source software wallets should also be created for wallets like ELECTRUM that are very popular and of course usually have a couple of questions from different users.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on October 29, 2024, 07:37:02 PM
Quote from: Mia Chloe on October 25, 2024, 07:50:00 PM
I think another thread for open source software wallets should also be created for wallets like ELECTRUM that are very popular and of course usually have a couple of questions from different users.
I already created a topic for Multicoin Open Source Wallets few months ago and it's not very active:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318934

That is more than enough, since everyone knows about Electrum wallet as bitcoin only wallet, and there isn't many alternatives like Sparrow etc.
Please stay on topic here - Open Source Hardware Wallets.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on November 27, 2024, 08:45:38 PM
Anyone who is familiar with DIY project SeedSigner knows this device can only be used for Bitcoin, that was the case until now.
With XmrSigner now you can your own Air-Gapped Monero Hardware Wallet, using the same SeedSigner device with flashed XmrSigner code.
Everything is released as open source, and even new enclosure design is released with .stl files ready for download for free.

(https://i.ibb.co/M2fLXD2/imgdfd216b3818b845b9994d8133efb50db.jpg)
https://github.com/xmrsigner
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: paid2 on December 06, 2024, 05:06:05 AM
Quote from: dkbit98 on November 27, 2024, 08:45:38 PM
Anyone who is familiar with DIY project SeedSigner knows this device can only be used for Bitcoin, that was the case until now.
With XmrSigner now you can your own Air-Gapped Monero Hardware Wallet, using the same SeedSigner device with flashed XmrSigner code.

I didn't know about this project! It's really nice, we finally have a DIY open source air-gapped XMR hardware wallet! :D

I've got a few Pi Zeros lying around that aren't being used, so I'm going to try and make one for myself (probably a minimalistic version) .
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on December 06, 2024, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: paid2 on December 06, 2024, 05:06:05 AM
I didn't know about this project! It's really nice, we finally have a DIY open source air-gapped XMR hardware wallet! :D

I've got a few Pi Zeros lying around that aren't being used, so I'm going to try and make one for myself (probably a minimalistic version) .
Yeah, it's great to see this project coming to life.
If you already have Rpi Zero than you only need to print the case, there are a bunch of .stl files available for free, you don't have to use the one I posted above.
Ggreat thing about it is that you can switch back to Seedsigner code for Bitcoin anytime you want.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on January 11, 2025, 07:54:25 PM
List of Open Source devices is updated with new hardware wallet from Blockstream called Jade plus.
It has some improvements compared to standard Jade wallet, but it is also much more expensive.
I still couldn't find links released on their github page, so I am posting website link for now:

(https://i.ibb.co/BzDStJ3/imgb5bb426574f88f268c39c6685d160374.jpg)
https://blockstream.com/jade/jade-plus/
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on January 17, 2025, 10:09:21 PM
After Jade Plus, list is updated with another new source devices, Passport Prime.
Passport Prime is not only a hardware wallet since it has many additional features, but I still decided to include it and wait to see the official release.
I think this is going to be interesting device when it comes in the market, something like all-in-one device.

(https://i.ibb.co/syhCCWq/img1617c2fbc0f4fd4cc8f19f71554cd92b.jpg)
https://foundation.xyz/buy-passport-prime/
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on February 21, 2025, 12:41:39 PM
There is a new hardware wallet in town, and it's called Cardware.
Cardware can be purchased form $77, it is AirGapped only dvice, that is using QR code scanning, and it has CC EAL6+ certification secure element.
There is web app used for connecting with Cardware, but I would prefer to have support for other software wallets.
They claim source code is available but I can't find their github page so I will add them in list only after confiormation.

(https://i.ibb.co/v6Mhr1k6/qIcVD.png)

Website:  https://cardwarewallet.com/ 
Blog: https://www.cardwarewallet.com/blog
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Cardwarewallet 
Twitter: https://x.com/cardwarewallet
Telegram: https://t.me/cardwarewallet 
Discord: https://discord.gg/dgDXR85CXB 
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cardware-wallet

Cardware Documentation:

Cardware Github: https://github.com/cardware-wallet 
Shop - BTC Only Device: https://www.cardwarewallet.com/btcproducts
Get Started: https://cardwarewallet.com/start
Cardware Wallet docs: https://docs.cardwarewallet.com
NPM Documents: https://docs.cardwarewallet.com/cardware-wallet-documentation/npm-package 
Cardware BTC NPM Package 🛠️ https://github.com/cardware-wallet/cardware-btc
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: Forsyth Jones on April 03, 2025, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: dkbit98 on January 17, 2025, 10:09:21 PM
After Jade Plus, list is updated with another new source devices, Passport Prime.
...
https://foundation.xyz/buy-passport-prime/
Looking forward to its launch and seeing the reviews, they're being bold to trying something new that no brand has tried yet. What caught my attention the most was the possibility of saving 2FA codes on the device itself, as well as an encrypted space (serving as a pen drive) to store whatever i want.

It's April, have any users who have bought it received any updates by email, and will they arrive this April?

It would be interesting if it had some of the features that coldcard has, such as seed-xor, BIP-85 (not just for mnemonic phrases, but for other values such as xpriv, hex, WIF etc).
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on April 09, 2025, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: Forsyth Jones on April 03, 2025, 09:08:33 PM
It would be interesting if it had some of the features that coldcard has, such as seed-xor, BIP-85 (not just for mnemonic phrases, but for other values such as xpriv, hex, WIF etc).
Passport Prime already have some new features with 2FA support and security keys that can be used with NFC or USB.
They could add new stuff down the road, but I don't think they are going to reproduce anything coming from c0ldcard any time soon.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: Forsyth Jones on April 10, 2025, 11:47:19 PM
I still consider the Passport one of the best air-gapped hardware wallets out there. The problem is I'm afraid to import it right now.

Another wallet I've been really liking is the JADE, you can even make a DIY version. The only trade-off is the Bluetooth support, but I'd have no problem using it with my iOS since it's the only way to use hardware wallets on an iphone.

Note: I don't think Bluetooth communication, even if encrypted, is as advantageous or secure as manufacturers claim.
That's why I add less amount compared to a hardware wallet with USB connection and/or air-gapped QR-Code/SD cards.
Title: Re: Open Source Hardware Wallets
Post by: dkbit98 on April 11, 2025, 12:09:12 AM
Quote from: Forsyth Jones on April 10, 2025, 11:47:19 PM
I still consider the Passport one of the best air-gapped hardware wallets out there. The problem is I'm afraid to import it right now.
There is no reason to be afraid, because there are resellers selling and shipping Passport device from EU and other regions, you don't have to order them from United States.

Quote from: Forsyth Jones on April 10, 2025, 11:47:19 PM
Note: I don't think Bluetooth communication, even if encrypted, is as advantageous or secure as manufacturers claim.
That's why I add less amount compared to a hardware wallet with USB connection and/or air-gapped QR-Code/SD cards.
I never liked bluetooth for hardware wallets, and I have seen how quickly it becomes obsolete in some watches.
Bluetooth 6.0 is already out, and pervious versions could soon become unusable and not supported.