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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: examplens on January 03, 2024, 04:33:59 PM
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I have to ask, and I apologize in advance if this has already been answered somewhere. I just haven't been able to find it.
How these three things are managed on Altcoinstalks, I ask because we have some kind of model at BTT that has proven to be so functional.
Scam, for example, if we see some offers that are a scam, how can we react to reduce scammer offers and how can such users be identified more clearly? I saw in the dkbit98 topic that there is a problem with leaving feedback, so that is not the solution. There is a flag system on BTT, which can be a warning even for unregistered visitors.
We don't need to spend too much time talking about spam, but how do we fight against it here? Report the post to the moderator, what is happening with that, the moderators are deleting it? is there any way to see how many deleted posts someone has? We cannot log an individual user, but how can we avoid wasting time on spammers?
I would also like to receive feedback from the moderators based on which standards they decide what is spam and what is not
Plagiarism, how do you treat it here? I saw that plagiarism would only affect the ranking, so quite tolerant (based on the Forum Rank info post "- Plagiarism and spam will be penalized and can affect your future ranking." (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=96515.0))
Somehow these are similar things, so I put everything in one topic, I guess it's not too much. And I believe that the admin is not overjoyed to receive a bunch of requests for upgrades ;)
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Scam
Report if it is clear and no need in long explanation.
If you need explain more you can use Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0), Forum Court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0) or Scams & Phishing (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=84.0), depending on which is more close to exact case.
Spam
Report or use a Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section.
Plagiarism
Report or use a Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section.
Various actions can be taken by moderators starting with warnings and ending with negative badges and banning from posting.
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Thanks for the reply Jokers
Various actions can be taken by moderators starting with warnings and ending with negative badges and banning from posting.
But it turns out that despite the clear intent to scam or demonstrable plagiarism, the user initially receives only a warning, and only if he continues to do so will he be banned.
I was hoping that I could also get answers when the decision is made to ban writing posts. Where is the red line?
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But it turns out that despite the clear intent to scam or demonstrable plagiarism, the user initially receives only a warning, and only if he continues to do so will he be banned.
That's right. AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum, so we prefer to give our users the opportunity to correct their behavior. So first we prefer to warn.
I was hoping that I could also get answers when the decision is made to ban writing posts. Where is the red line?
We use a case by case strategy. Some who misbehave very intensively can get a negative badge or ban on posting from the first violation, but for most only if they don't understand warnings. If it is about some occasional mistakes we prefer to guide users so they improve their behavior.
Main idea of penalties is not in punishing someone, but to make the forum a comfortable place to communicate for us all.
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But it turns out that despite the clear intent to scam or demonstrable plagiarism, the user initially receives only a warning, and only if he continues to do so will he be banned.
That's right. AltcoinsTalks is a friendly forum, so we prefer to give our users the opportunity to correct their behavior. So first we prefer to warn.
I was hoping that I could also get answers when the decision is made to ban writing posts. Where is the red line?
We use a case by case strategy. Some who misbehave very intensively can get a negative badge or ban on posting from the first violation, but for most only if they don't understand warnings. If it is about some occasional mistakes we prefer to guide users so they improve their behavior.
Main idea of penalties is not in punishing someone, but to make the forum a comfortable place to communicate for us all.
I hope it's friendly depending on the offense. If someone is clearly here to scam, they need much more than a warning IMO. It's fine to be nice to a point, but when you are dealing with $$$ you cannot always be everyone's friend.
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I hope it's friendly depending on the offense. If someone is clearly here to scam, they need much more than a warning IMO. It's fine to be nice to a point, but when you are dealing with $$$ you cannot always be everyone's friend.
Well, as far as I remember, you could see yourself that in the case of your report a couple of days ago the violator immediately got the scammer badge. So you can guess that we do evaluate the problem while taking a decision.
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I hope it's friendly depending on the offense. If someone is clearly here to scam, they need much more than a warning IMO. It's fine to be nice to a point, but when you are dealing with $$$ you cannot always be everyone's friend.
Well, as far as I remember, you could see yourself that in the case of your report a couple of days ago the violator immediately got the scammer badge. So you can guess that we do evaluate the problem while taking a decision.
I am also of the opinion that badges are not enough, certainly not if they are supposed to be some kind of warning. If there is an obvious risk that it is a scammer, others should be warned about it.
Most of us here only know each other online and through usernames, and the only thing we have of value here is our reputation. If a lot of things are tolerated there, then all meaning is lost.
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I like the BTT system where flag gives clear message that dealing with the member is risky. Badge could be found after deep observing. Scam badge should be appears in way so that everyone check it in first time and warned.
I think trust system should be introduced here also so that spam could be controlled in best way. When Altcointalk community increase then most of users will also try to spam or promote scam/ponzi projects and the best solution to control is trust and flag system which should be introduced ASAP
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I am also of the opinion that badges are not enough, certainly not if they are supposed to be some kind of warning. If there is an obvious risk that it is a scammer, others should be warned about it.
Most of us here only know each other online and through usernames, and the only thing we have of value here is our reputation. If a lot of things are tolerated there, then all meaning is lost.
If you feel that the scam badge ain't enough justice to a potential scammer profile ( not proven yet) what other measures do you suggest? Ban the user? ( Since scam is moderted here)?
Joker - do we have the flag system here ? I guess No
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If you feel that the scam badge ain't enough justice to a potential scammer profile ( not proven yet) what other measures do you suggest? Ban the user? ( Since scam is moderted here)?
So I opened a discussion about it. BTT uses the feedback + DT system and it somehow works, at least it seems that the scam is reduced to a minimum. This forum didn't have that much activity, so maybe that wasn't a significant problem, but now things are changing and improvements are needed.
The current practice on Altt is wrong because it is possible to even pay to remove negative karma. Well, if you fraudulently take $200 from someone, you pay $50 and your reputation is washed.
Here: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=182908
please send the ALTS (ETH) tokens to this address: 0x2143F7146F0AadC0F9d85ea98F23273Da0e002Ab
or ALTT (BSC) tokens to this address: 0xcbDAB774B5659cB905d4db5487F9e2057b96147F
Removing negative karma: You lose some of your points and you need to send 3 ALTS/per negative karma to the address above.
Removing plagia strike: You lose half your points and you need to send 10 ALTS to the address above.
Removing plagia penalty: You lose all your points and you need to send 50 ALTS to the address above.
Removing 1 strike: You lose 1/2 your points and you need to send 10 ALTS to the address above.
Removing 2 strike: You lose 3/4 of your points and you need to send 50 ALTS to the address above.
Removing 3 strike: You lose all your points and you need to send 250 ALTS to the address above.
instead of ALTS, you can send ALTT (on BSC).
1 ALTS = 1$ worth of ALTT
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With the recents dramas that has been ongoing on Btt in case of misuse by DT members i wouldn't support the idea. A badge would be better or what they already using.
Its noticeable when a user is tagged possible scammer, something of that nature can't really recall the wordings.
This system they using works and should be continued. I don't really see the need for changes currently though.Imo users are advised that a user is a scammer if they continue doing business with the account that would be on them.
If am going to ask it would be on plagiarism, i don't really know what counts as plagiarism anymore. There is a user i saw that usually post the the first words of a news, the same without changing anything or quoting before adding the news Link.
Does that count as plagiarism?
Assistance would be appreciated, don't want to continue saying what i don't know.
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I am also of the opinion that badges are not enough, certainly not if they are supposed to be some kind of warning. If there is an obvious risk that it is a scammer, others should be warned about it.
Most of us here only know each other online and through usernames, and the only thing we have of value here is our reputation. If a lot of things are tolerated there, then all meaning is lost.
So if you see a badge in profile that the person is a scammer you still think that this user is trustworthy and you need some other warning? If so, there can be no universal way of warning, because everyone can say that they want some more warnings of another kind.
I think trust system should be introduced here also so that spam could be controlled in best way.
Trust system as on BTT is far from the best decision. If you don't see many strange tags left for political disagreement and other unexpected things like retaliatory tags etc, it doesn't mean the system works totally correct. The only reason why it is needed on BTT is because moderators there are not permitted to do anything with scammers.
This forum didn't have that much activity, so maybe that wasn't a significant problem, but now things are changing and improvements are needed.
So you don't see the problem at the moment, but you are still sure it will be.
If we'll see the problem, we'll try to improve the situation.
If am going to ask it would be on plagiarism, i don't really know what counts as plagiarism anymore. There is a user i saw that usually post the the first words of a news, the same without changing anything or quoting before adding the news Link.
Does that count as plagiarism?
Assistance would be appreciated, don't want to continue saying what i don't know.
If it is obvious that it is a news announcement then it is not a plagiarism. But leaving such posts on a regular base outside special news sections can break other rules. And even as for news sections, we have a newshunter bot so no need in additional news announcing.
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If you feel that the scam badge ain't enough justice to a potential scammer profile ( not proven yet) what other measures do you suggest? Ban the user? ( Since scam is moderted here)?
So I opened a discussion about it. BTT uses the feedback + DT system and it somehow works, at least it seems that the scam is reduced to a minimum. This forum didn't have that much activity, so maybe that wasn't a significant problem, but now things are changing and improvements are needed.
The current practice on Altt is wrong because it is possible to even pay to remove negative karma. Well, if you fraudulently take $200 from someone, you pay $50 and your reputation is washed.
Here: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=182908
If a plagiarist or Alt bounty cheater is asked to pay a specific ALT to be struck out -karma I think it's a fantastic concept, especially for a struggling and growing community, but I don't like the notion of a scammer also having that privilege.
I don't think a scammer will be desperate enough to spend so much money to strike out -Karma while still walking around with the scammer tag. Doesn't make any sense.
The forum is being restructuring, and there's a lot going on in the background; give it some time.
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If a plagiarist or Alt bounty cheater is asked to pay a specific ALT to be struck out -karma I think it's a fantastic concept, especially for a struggling and growing community, but I don't like the notion of a scammer also having that privilege.
This option is a second chance option, it is not an indulgence for breaking the rules and cheating. If someone will decide to cheat with this option he can be given multiple -karma at once from admin or the president of the forum and get more negative badges as well or even get a ban to post.
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If it is obvious that it is a news announcement then it is not a plagiarism. But leaving such posts on a regular base outside special news sections can break other rules. And even as for news sections, we have a newshunter bot so no need in additional news announcing.
Alright, Thanks. Goodness i asked would have been wrongly accusing others of plagiarism. on the case of scam what about if an individual is promoting or sharing a scam platform without thorough investigation or unawareness.there are individuals that sees a token online that promotes huge profits with no basics, and post it not knowing they are not legit.
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on the case of scam what about if an individual is promoting or sharing a scam platform without thorough investigation or unawareness.there are individuals that sees a token online that promotes huge profits with no basics, and post it not knowing they are not legit.
When you report some scam it doesn't mean that the person left something in his post will be mandatory penalized. So it is better to share your scam discovery with team so we can act if needed (sometimes lock or delete the topic or the post or some further actions). For all scam cases the same script:
Scam
Report if it is clear and no need in long explanation.
If you need explain more you can use Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0), Forum Court (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0) or Scams & Phishing (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=84.0), depending on which is more close to exact case.
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I hope it's friendly depending on the offense. If someone is clearly here to scam, they need much more than a warning IMO. It's fine to be nice to a point, but when you are dealing with $$$ you cannot always be everyone's friend.
I think that stickers for scammers and potential scammers on their profiles is not a bad idea, but if someone is reported doing scams again and again than he should be banned from forum.
One reason for this are users who are using settings to hide avatars so maybe they dont see any images on their profile.
For spammers who are doing repeated spam and low quality post it would be better to have temp ban for few days or weeks.
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So you don't see the problem at the moment, but you are still sure it will be.
If we'll see the problem, we'll try to improve the situation.
These are all problems that have already been recognized, perhaps due to less activity they were not so pronounced here. I assumed that it was better to prevent it than to correct it afterwards.
Only 4 campaign signatures have arrived here, I believe there will be more, multiaccounting and AI writing posts will become a normal phenomenon.
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These are all problems that have already been recognized, perhaps due to less activity they were not so pronounced here. I assumed that it was better to prevent it than to correct it afterwards.
Only 4 campaign signatures have arrived here, I believe there will be more, multiaccounting and AI writing posts will become a normal phenomenon.
We had even more activity than now several years ago, so it is not the biggest surprise. And we do adapt the system facing with new challenges.
Campaign managers are forum team allies in this fight. I guess they will take into account that no need in taking users with negative badges into any campaign and they also will report in case if there are any users not caught by team previously. Team is in touch with the most active managers, don't worry about that!
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We had even more activity than now several years ago, so it is not the biggest surprise. And we do adapt the system facing with new challenges.
Campaign managers are forum team allies in this fight. I guess they will take into account that no need in taking users with negative badges into any campaign and they also will report in case if there are any users not caught by team previously. Team is in touch with the most active managers, don't worry about that!
There are many systems that do need to be adjusted, such as how the karma system works, how the badge system works to determine negative users.
And the use of ChatGPT is also in the spotlight, as I find some users only respond to other people's comments and threads using AI.
Collaboration between campaign managers and forum admins and active users here will be very impactful, and will certainly provide progress for the forum.
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And the use of ChatGPT is also in the spotlight, as I find some users only respond to other people's comments and threads using AI.
Share your findings, we'll check and take action if necessary. Some are already caught, but of course there can be others who are not caught yet.
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Plagiarism, how do you treat it here? I saw that plagiarism would only affect the ranking, so quite tolerant (based on the Forum Rank info post "- Plagiarism and spam will be penalized and can affect your future ranking." (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=96515.0))
Plagiarism is a serious rule on BitcoinTalk, and breaking it can lead to a temporary or permanent ban depending on the severity of the offense. I'm not entirely sure how the system detects plagiarism here. Some spammers might try to take advantage and post content that isn't theirs. It would be less of a concern if we have moderators to handle this. On BitcoinTalk, many members willingly take on this task and help identify plagiarizers. Over time, those trying to hide will likely be exposed.
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@Jokers I assume you follow this thread.
Can you explain the process of managing reported posts to the moderator?
Do you have insight into who reported the post and whether there are any statistics on the "success" of reports per user? Also, are there any statistics on how many deleted posts each user has and whether this affects karma or his forum points?
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@Jokers I assume you follow this thread.
Can you explain the process of managing reported posts to the moderator?
Do you have insight into who reported the post and whether there are any statistics on the "success" of reports per user? Also, are there any statistics on how many deleted posts each user has and whether this affects karma or his forum points?
From my side I see only reports which were not processed by any other moderator and nothing else (there's no link on any report stats in a mod center). Maybe admin or the President has some page with statistics of reporting, but not at a regular moderator.