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Title: Ethereum ETF
Post by: KingsDen on January 25, 2024, 12:03:42 AM
Some weeks ago, it was highly anticipated that SEC would approve Bitcoin ETF and favourably it happened as expected. Although the impact so far in the market has been all negative. But I believe on the long run, things will change.

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Charles-Tim on January 25, 2024, 12:25:19 AM
Should we believe in this Bloomberg ETF analyst, James Seyffart:

Quote from: https://twitter.com/JSeyff/status/1750247415137833151?t=zK_8DYnSvkbDJ7HCKnqZQw&s=19
Spot Ethereum ETF Delays will continue to happen sporadically over the next few months. Next date that matters is May 23rd

If you click on the link in the quote above, on X you will see this:

[TREE DAO] BREAKING: SEC delays Blackrock spot Ethereum ETF.

sec.gov/files/rules/sr… (https://www.sec.gov/files/rules/sro/nasdaq/2024/34-99419.pdf)

SEC will not rush this. Do not believe in the news that says United States SEC may approve ether spot ETF soon. The process before the approval would be slow.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: KingsDen on January 25, 2024, 12:33:22 AM
Should we believe in this Bloomberg ETF analyst, James Seyffart:

Quote from: https://twitter.com/JSeyff/status/1750247415137833151?t=zK_8DYnSvkbDJ7HCKnqZQw&s=19
Spot Ethereum ETF Delays will continue to happen sporadically over the next few months. Next date that matters is May 23rd

If you click on the link in the quote above, on X you will see this:

[TREE DAO] BREAKING: SEC delays Blackrock spot Ethereum ETF.

sec.gov/files/rules/sr… (https://www.sec.gov/files/rules/sro/nasdaq/2024/34-99419.pdf)

SEC will not rush this. Do not believe in the news that says United States SEC may approve ether spot ETF soon. The process before the approval would be slow.
Any special reasons for the slow process and is it necessary if eventually in the end they are gonna approve it. Maybe it will also take as long as that of bitcoin took?
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Yamane_Keto on January 25, 2024, 02:55:25 AM

Any special reasons for the slow process and is it necessary if eventually in the end they are gonna approve it. Maybe it will also take as long as that of bitcoin took?
The bitcoin ETF was not approved by an overwhelming majority, but rather by accepting 3 YES to 2 NO, which means that there is no consensus or approval on cryptocurrencies. If this were for bitcoin, we would certainly not see altcoins soon. However, speculators are promoting this news to make the price move forward, which has already happened.

Gensler, Hester Peirce and Mark Uyeda Vote for YES VS Caroline Crenshaw and Jaime Lizárraga for NO
If one of the votes had changed, the result would have changed.

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2024/01/11/gary-gensler-voted-to-approve-bitcoin-etfs-despite-public-criticism/
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: yhiaali3 on January 25, 2024, 06:35:50 AM
I still don't understand why Gary Gensler voted for approval even though he is known for his hostility towards Bitcoin and the crypto industry in general. If he had voted no, the result would have been reversed. Strange, incomprehensible situation?

In any case, regarding the approval of the Ethereum ETF, I fear that something like what happened to the Bitcoin ETF will happen. I mean manipulating the market with strong propaganda before the approval to raise the price and then after the approval a significant drop in the price.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Charles-Tim on January 25, 2024, 09:28:14 AM
Any special reasons for the slow process and is it necessary if eventually in the end they are gonna approve it. Maybe it will also take as long as that of bitcoin took?
I saw on the news that United States SEC said they need more time to review the proposed rule change or something like that. Also in something like this, we should not expect the SEC to act fast. It will take time as it supposed to be.

I still don't understand why Gary Gensler voted for approval even though he is known for his hostility towards Bitcoin and the crypto industry in general. If he had voted no, the result would have been reversed. Strange, incomprehensible situation?
I think the reason is the victory that Grayscale had over SEC in Court.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/10/23/grayscale-court-victory-over-sec-in-spot-bitcoin-etf-case-made-final/amp/
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: hugeblack on January 25, 2024, 09:33:40 AM
I still don't understand why Gary Gensler voted for approval even though he is known for his hostility towards Bitcoin and the crypto industry in general. If he had voted no, the result would have been reversed. Strange, incomprehensible situation?
It is true that Gensler does not like Bitcoin and not supporting it, but there is a demand. If they do not succeed in containing this demand, people will buy Bitcoin, and then another scandal may occur, like what happened with FTX, so to avoid all the problems that may occur (if more citizens lose their money in Bitcoin investments) Which they may blame the SEC and to avoid legal disputes he agreed.

Frankly, the ETF is against the concept of decentralization because now there are services such as banks that buy Bitcoin for you and keep it for you.

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Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: KingsDen on January 25, 2024, 11:34:34 AM
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Frankly, the ETF is against the concept of decentralization because now there are services such as banks that buy Bitcoin for you and keep it for you.

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I agree with you that the whole thing is just against the Satoshi concept of Bitcoin which is majorly decentralization. However, we should also understand that Bitcoin will not remain in the first and early phase forever. Many things will change, more adoption more troubles and more manipulations. But then, if we still have the freedom to practice the initial idea of bitcoin, I think there's no problem.

Since no one is gonna force into my hardware wallet and move my coins to BlackRock, it's still fine
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: yhiaali3 on January 25, 2024, 12:42:01 PM
Frankly, the ETF is against the concept of decentralization because now there are services such as banks that buy Bitcoin for you and keep it for you.
Yes, I completely agree with you on this point. ETF completely opposes the concept of Bitcoin and decentralization, but this is what governments like. Governments’ first goal is centralization and control, so they will welcome such institutions that lead Bitcoin towards centralization.

Some people are also happy for companies to guard Bitcoin for them and just buy some stocks instead of owning real Bitcoin, but they may not realize that this is the same principle on which central banks operate.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Faisal2202 on January 25, 2024, 10:07:17 PM
I still don't understand why Gary Gensler voted for approval even though he is known for his hostility towards Bitcoin and the crypto industry in general. If he had voted no, the result would have been reversed. Strange, incomprehensible situation?
He is not the main player against crypto, his hands are tied with the law, this means, that even if he wants to oppose BTC but the law he and his country have made or following was not opposing the approval of BTC. According to rules and regulations, BTC was not breaking any rules that would stop its ETF approval so the SEC and all other authorities lost the case in court and big companies that filed for ETF approval got approved.

In easy way, you must have watched some movies in which two best friends who can kill for each other, become worst enemies of each other when one breaks some rule set by both, and the one thing is rules must be followed, even if one lover/friend have to kill another one. I have seen many movies like that. Same thing is happening with Gary the Genslar.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Z-tight on January 25, 2024, 11:29:04 PM
Some people are also happy for companies to guard Bitcoin for them and just buy some stocks instead of owning real Bitcoin, but they may not realize that this is the same principle on which central banks operate.
I believe they realize that and that is why they buy BTC's through spot etf's, they do not want to control their keys, neither do they want to use cryptocurrency exchanges. However, it is against the principles of BTC, but these institutional investors do not care about the self control and freedom that BTC offers, they simply want to make returns from it.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Yamane_Keto on January 26, 2024, 01:00:59 AM
He is not the main player against crypto, his hands are tied with the law, this means, that even if he wants to oppose BTC but the law he and his country have made or following was not opposing the approval of BTC. According to rules and regulations, BTC was not breaking any rules that would stop its ETF approval so the SEC and all other authorities lost the case in court and big companies that filed for ETF approval got approved.

They could have procrastinated more, but to be clear, many investors are looking for profit and do not care about decentralization. Many traders leave their money on the exchange platform and rarely withdraw anything to the wallet, and even the wallets they use are closed source, so for many who consider Bitcoin an investment, an ETF is a good solution.

Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on January 26, 2024, 03:54:08 AM
Some weeks ago, it was highly anticipated that SEC would approve Bitcoin ETF and favourably it happened as expected. Although the impact so far in the market has been all negative. But I believe on the long run, things will change.

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?
Both have not been declared as securities by the SEC and other authorities in the USA so why would they stop or create hurdles in the approval of ETH approval and ETH is a centralized token and authorities can easily handle and manage ETH's policies but I am afraid it will hurt the market condition. I am seeing a lot of potential and hype for ETH ETFs. Many people are also saying ETH will outperform BTC.

But I think it is also a hype bubble like BTC, BTC ETFs also got hyped and people started to say, it can cross $100k or $80K easily if BTC ETFs got accepted, and many other things people said but what happened was fully unexpected, I think they left some checks uncheck. I think ETH ETFs are also creating the same hype and if the hype pattern is same then ETF for ETH will be approved also.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: hugeblack on January 27, 2024, 09:58:47 AM
Yes, I completely agree with you on this point. ETF completely opposes the concept of Bitcoin and decentralization, but this is what governments like. Governments’ first goal is centralization and control, so they will welcome such institutions that lead Bitcoin towards centralization.
POS makes the cryptocurrency more capable of being centralized, as the government can print enough money to buy more Ethereum, and therefore at some point a certain group will have the power to control it. Therefore, approving an ETF for a cryptocurrency such as ETH, with the principle of proof of stake, will make things move towards centralization quickly.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Faisal2202 on January 27, 2024, 11:06:24 PM
They could have procrastinated more, but to be clear, many investors are looking for profit and do not care about decentralization. Many traders leave their money on the exchange platform and rarely withdraw anything to the wallet, and even the wallets they use are closed source, so for many who consider Bitcoin an investment, an ETF is a good solution.
I do understand that people not getting the benefit of decentralization, using centralized exchanges and close source wallets, which are also centralized, but how ETF is a good solution to that? I mean ETF is also centralized. I think you are talking about the security factor. As in ETFs, we get more security even with insurance while on those centralized exchanges and wallets, the security is vulnerable and the insurance is not a word in their dictionary.

ETF also solves many other big problems, including the one you have mentioned. But if we compare it with BTC only, we see BTC has the most advantages but still traditional people who don't want to spend time on setting up wallets and accounts, can directly or indirectly use ETF via broker or there finance consultor.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: TomPluz on January 28, 2024, 02:48:19 AM

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?


After the approval of many ETFs for Bitcoin, now the limelight is focusing on those applications for Ethereum, the second largest cryptocurrency on the market, the heir to Bitcoin, so to speak. I don't have an insider knowledge on when SEC will approved those applications for Ethereum but there is a big possibility, in my humble opinion, for this to happen if not on the last quarter of this year then most likely early 2025 but in case there will be new people manning SEC at that time (due to election in November and if Trump will win) then it can be shelved for the time being pending the decision of the incoming bureaucrats. Now, with happened to Bitcoin after the ETF approval, I now entertain some doubts whether this is going to be the best move for cryptocurrency. Certainly, the question of centralization is now starting to play and with that is that perennial concern on manipulation as if ETF can be a more effective and bigger tool for players to influence the market according to their own financial interest. With that being said, I am actually hoping am wrong.






Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Power420 on January 28, 2024, 04:02:34 AM

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?


After the approval of many ETFs for Bitcoin, now the limelight is focusing on those applications for Ethereum, the second largest cryptocurrency on the market, the heir to Bitcoin, so to speak. I don't have an insider knowledge on when SEC will approved those applications for Ethereum but there is a big possibility, in my humble opinion, for this to happen if not on the last quarter of this year then most likely early 2025 but in case there will be new people manning SEC at that time (due to election in November and if Trump will win) then it can be shelved for the time being pending the decision of the incoming bureaucrats. Now, with happened to Bitcoin after the ETF approval, I now entertain some doubts whether this is going to be the best move for cryptocurrency. Certainly, the question of centralization is now starting to play and with that is that perennial concern on manipulation as if ETF can be a more effective and bigger tool for players to influence the market according to their own financial interest. With that being said, I am actually hoping am wrong.

I also think there is a Bitcoin halving in 2024 and Ethereum ETFs will not be updated before this halving. But it's more likely to happen in 2025, with Ethereum prices following Bitcoin in 2024. The year following each bitcoin halving, bitcoin has seen the largest price increase of all altcoins. Now the price of Bitcoin has been trending lower since the launch of Bitcoin ETFs, which is not a bad sign of a downward trend as it is an opportunity for investors to invest.

Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: HarryWallker on January 28, 2024, 11:25:45 AM
If this were for bitcoin, we would certainly not see altcoins soon.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Asiska02 on January 28, 2024, 05:23:41 PM
Frankly, the ETF is against the concept of decentralization because now there are services such as banks that buy Bitcoin for you and keep it for you.
Yes, I completely agree with you on this point. ETF completely opposes the concept of Bitcoin and decentralization, but this is what governments like. Governments’ first goal is centralization and control, so they will welcome such institutions that lead Bitcoin towards centralization.

Some people are also happy for companies to guard Bitcoin for them and just buy some stocks instead of owning real Bitcoin, but they may not realize that this is the same principle on which central banks operate.

Is this not what the government are after? After the so much anticipated spot bitcoin approval, after passing through series of refusal to be accepted, the approval later came and had no impact in the market as expected. Firstly, the government were all in to see how they can make Bitcoin centralized and they failed in all trials. Now that they can’t beat bitcoin, they have to come in as a speculator in the market though the spot bitcoin ETF.

The result of it will not be pleasing to them because there was no significant impact on the market after the approval, that being said; bitcoin is not just an asset that can be controlled by a single entity or big name player in the market, it is a decentralized system and it’s still working on that consensus till date. I hope they can all understand this and let bitcoin be, not trying to manipulate it at the slightest possibility they have for it.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Power420 on February 03, 2024, 09:19:19 AM
Some weeks ago, it was highly anticipated that SEC would approve Bitcoin ETF and favourably it happened as expected. Although the impact so far in the market has been all negative. But I believe on the long run, things will change.

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?

The price of Bitcoin rose sharply on this good news before the launch of the Bitcoin ETF. But currently the price of Bitcoin has not changed and improved since it was approved in the Bitcoin ETF market. However, due to the volatility in the Bitcoin market, the halving will begin in 2024 and will create ample buying opportunities for Bitcoin investors before this halving. Because of such good news, the current market is now at normal levels, but it is certain that the price of Bitcoin will cross one hundred thousand dollars in 2025, the year after the halving of 2024.

This will not only affect Bitcoin but will also have a halving effect on other Altcoins including Bitcoin. Ethereum is one of them, among all Altcoins Ethereum coin is trusted and old platform so Ethereum ETF will definitely be active in the year of halving and the price will definitely increase.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Rubel007 on February 03, 2024, 12:20:07 PM
Some weeks ago, it was highly anticipated that SEC would approve Bitcoin ETF and favourably it happened as expected. Although the impact so far in the market has been all negative. But I believe on the long run, things will change.

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?

The price of Bitcoin rose sharply on this good news before the launch of the Bitcoin ETF. But currently the price of Bitcoin has not changed and improved since it was approved in the Bitcoin ETF market. However, due to the volatility in the Bitcoin market, the halving will begin in 2024 and will create ample buying opportunities for Bitcoin investors before this halving. Because of such good news, the current market is now at normal levels, but it is certain that the price of Bitcoin will cross one hundred thousand dollars in 2025, the year after the halving of 2024.

This will not only affect Bitcoin but will also have a halving effect on other Altcoins including Bitcoin. Ethereum is one of them, among all Altcoins Ethereum coin is trusted and old platform so Ethereum ETF will definitely be active in the year of halving and the price will definitely increase.
A positive investor sentiment towards the cryptocurrency has been observed after the approval of the Bitcoin ETF. Although the market does not have a major impact, it has a considerable impact indirectly. According to the current market conditions, we won't be hearing any talk about Ethereum ETFs soon. Because Bitcoin ETFs are not yet fully matured. But I would agree with you that since the Bitcoin halving takes place there will be a lot of Bitcoin price swings and Ethereum ETF discussions will be at that time. But it is not sure yet. We can expect something at the end of this year or maybe next year.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on February 03, 2024, 08:56:00 PM
Some weeks ago, it was highly anticipated that SEC would approve Bitcoin ETF and favourably it happened as expected. Although the impact so far in the market has been all negative. But I believe on the long run, things will change.

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?

The price of Bitcoin rose sharply on this good news before the launch of the Bitcoin ETF. But currently the price of Bitcoin has not changed and improved since it was approved in the Bitcoin ETF market. However, due to the volatility in the Bitcoin market, the halving will begin in 2024 and will create ample buying opportunities for Bitcoin investors before this halving. Because of such good news, the current market is now at normal levels, but it is certain that the price of Bitcoin will cross one hundred thousand dollars in 2025, the year after the halving of 2024.

This will not only affect Bitcoin but will also have a halving effect on other Altcoins including Bitcoin. Ethereum is one of them, among all Altcoins Ethereum coin is trusted and old platform so Ethereum ETF will definitely be active in the year of halving and the price will definitely increase.
A positive investor sentiment towards the cryptocurrency has been observed after the approval of the Bitcoin ETF. Although the market does not have a major impact, it has a considerable impact indirectly. According to the current market conditions, we won't be hearing any talk about Ethereum ETFs soon. Because Bitcoin ETFs are not yet fully matured. But I would agree with you that since the Bitcoin halving takes place there will be a lot of Bitcoin price swings and Ethereum ETF discussions will be at that time. But it is not sure yet. We can expect something at the end of this year or maybe next year.

There isn't much achievements yet about bitcoin ETF approved and the event of the news on approval only brought about more dips to the market before the rise again, we need to see where this will headed to before even having anything that has to do with considering ETF approval for Ethereum, this may actually take some time, probably years as well before there might be due considerations and expectations in the same vein for it's approval.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Captain Corporate on February 03, 2024, 09:21:58 PM
Honestly it doesn't really feel like this would be anytime soon at all. Bitcoin is the biggest one with a big margin, its the top ranked one and I think that would be the priority. Any "ETF" that happens outside of USA doesn't really feel like its really that important, the reason is that the ydo like to invest a lot with these companies, so that has to matter. I get that it may not be all that quick, but bitcoin ETF at USA will happen eventually, and when that happens I think it will be quite important. That will bring in enough money to move the market higher, and we should be waiting until that moment without a doubt.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Juwel15 on February 06, 2024, 02:48:52 AM
Some weeks ago, it was highly anticipated that SEC would approve Bitcoin ETF and favourably it happened as expected. Although the impact so far in the market has been all negative. But I believe on the long run, things will change.

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?


Donald Trump, on the other hand, sold 2.4 million Ether.  I don't know how it will play on the market, but  Trump has made it clear to sell because he is not a fool.  Maybe his thinking is different but meanwhile again ETF.  Ether is going to be approved in that case.  Bitcoin if we notice.  47 thousand which was sitting ahead of the price before the ETF was approved is the price after the approval.  The price has reached 42 thousand, but in that case, there will be a risk on our market.  Below is the news link.

https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/24/01/36743035/donald-trump-sold-2-4-million-ethereum-smart-move-or-big-mistake
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: Baofeng on February 06, 2024, 04:51:09 AM
If I'm not mistaken, there is a postponement as far as Ethereum ETF goes.

Of course, when Bitcoin Spot ETF was approved, it will just a matter of time for other crypto to file for their own ETF. But not sure what are their chances as we all know that SEC says that Ethereum is a securities as far as their category goes.

It will be hard pressed for them to have ETF, but who knows, everything is very open now in the US as far as crypto, it could be positive or negative though.
Title: Re: Ethereum ETF
Post by: KingsDen on February 07, 2024, 04:27:29 PM
Some weeks ago, it was highly anticipated that SEC would approve Bitcoin ETF and favourably it happened as expected. Although the impact so far in the market has been all negative. But I believe on the long run, things will change.

Are there any concrete information about Ethereum ETF approval?


Donald Trump, on the other hand, sold 2.4 million Ether.  I don't know how it will play on the market, but  Trump has made it clear to sell because he is not a fool.  Maybe his thinking is different but meanwhile again ETF.  Ether is going to be approved in that case.  Bitcoin if we notice.  47 thousand which was sitting ahead of the price before the ETF was approved is the price after the approval.  The price has reached 42 thousand, but in that case, there will be a risk on our market.  Below is the news link.

https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/24/01/36743035/donald-trump-sold-2-4-million-ethereum-smart-move-or-big-mistake
It is true that there could be more risk in the market if Ethereum ETF is approved. We have already seen the risk of Bitcoin ETF, everything went opposite to what we have thought. Many people bought the hieghts of 45k to 47k when the approval news broke but till now those persons who bought there are not yet bullish. It is just a simple show of manipulationa.