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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: damsix on January 25, 2024, 01:49:33 PM
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Hi everyone, I have been on this forum for a long time, I have gone through various obstacles on this forum but I continue to continue to develop the forum so that it can grow faster.
I rarely chat online in public live but I often read about it, then I found a conversation that made me create this thread.
See the copy-paste of my conversation below and this will be an interesting discussion.
bisdak40 [25|Jan 12:41 AM]: what's the use of Karma by the way?
admin [25|Jan 12:43 AM]: needed for ranking up in higher ranks
KingsDen [25|Jan 11:27 AM]: @admin, is karma now needed for ranking up?
admin [25|Jan 11:33 AM]: not all ranks
I want to ask the Admin and all members:
-Is Karma really done to Increase Rank?
-Is activity not enough to raise the ranking?
-From what rank do you need Karma to rank up?
-How much Karma does it take to advance each time you rank up?
PS-I will also make this post locally (Indonesian), so that new members who come and create an Altcoinstalks account can understand these new rules.
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I want to ask the Admin and all members:
-Is Karma really done to Increase Rank?
-Is activity not enough to raise the ranking?
-From what rank do you need Karma to rank up?
-How much Karma does it take to advance each time you rank up?
It is definitely not needed for lower ranks, you can get some of lower ranks even with a negative balance of karma. You can see that the teleported get a legendary with 0 karma, so it is enough at least not to be in minus. As for ranks above the legendary no one, except admin, knows because all who got a rank above have some karma and others didn't meet other criteria, so it can be needed or not.
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I used to be able to give karma to the SR member rank, and that was limited, the rest I forgot about this rule :P
I don't think there's a need to use karma as a rank increase, because in the beginning it was just to appreciate someone's likes and dislikes on someone's post.
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Hi everyone, I have been on this forum for a long time, I have gone through various obstacles on this forum but I continue to continue to develop the forum so that it can grow faster.
I rarely chat online in public live but I often read about it, then I found a conversation that made me create this thread.
See the copy-paste of my conversation below and this will be an interesting discussion.
bisdak40 [25|Jan 12:41 AM]: what's the use of Karma by the way?
admin [25|Jan 12:43 AM]: needed for ranking up in higher ranks
KingsDen [25|Jan 11:27 AM]: @admin, is karma now needed for ranking up?
admin [25|Jan 11:33 AM]: not all ranks
I want to ask the Admin and all members:
-Is Karma really done to Increase Rank?
-Is activity not enough to raise the ranking?
-From what rank do you need Karma to rank up?
-How much Karma does it take to advance each time you rank up?
PS-I will also make this post locally (Indonesian), so that new members who come and create an Altcoinstalks account can understand these new rules.
My answer is this
activity is a value that get stuck on specific values till all conditions are met.
everything else is secret to avoid people focusing on optimizing for ranking up.
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My answer is this
activity is a value that get stuck on specific values till all conditions are met.
everything else is secret to avoid people focusing on optimizing for ranking up.
That's a quite valuable answer and I'm very sure that it's for the good of the members who really don't care about ranking up but try their best to make valuable and useful posts.
I'm also sure that the ones who contribute good stuff on this forum will not face any rank freezes when they meet the activity requirement for the new ranks.
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I am happy to come across these types of posy I was new here and unintentionally got bad karma,I was so scared about what the future might hold for me here and was worried that I might not be able to aquire anything here but seeing gv these post give me hope, I have gained more understanding of this forum and threading carefully in this forum and since then everything seems fine.
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My answer is this
activity is a value that get stuck on specific values till all conditions are met.
everything else is secret to avoid people focusing on optimizing for ranking up.
This Curiosity and Mystery is what makes Karma something valuable, all members must compete to get positive Karma and stay away from negative Karma.
My suggestion also agrees with the Admin's suggestion that this Karma be kept a secret by the Admin forever because it can be a motivation for those who want to provide the best for the forum.
For example Likes and Dislikes on YouTube, there are lots of YouTuber influencers who always give statements like this "Please Subscribe, Like and Comment", seen from the subscriptions and comments you can see it but you can't see the Likes and Dislikes.
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Hi everyone, I have been on this forum for a long time, I have gone through various obstacles on this forum but I continue to continue to develop the forum so that it can grow faster.
I rarely chat online in public live but I often read about it, then I found a conversation that made me create this thread.
See the copy-paste of my conversation below and this will be an interesting discussion.
bisdak40 [25|Jan 12:41 AM]: what's the use of Karma by the way?
admin [25|Jan 12:43 AM]: needed for ranking up in higher ranks
KingsDen [25|Jan 11:27 AM]: @admin, is karma now needed for ranking up?
admin [25|Jan 11:33 AM]: not all ranks
I want to ask the Admin and all members:
-Is Karma really done to Increase Rank?
-Is activity not enough to raise the ranking?
-From what rank do you need Karma to rank up?
-How much Karma does it take to advance each time you rank up?
PS-I will also make this post locally (Indonesian), so that new members who come and create an Altcoinstalks account can understand these new rules.
My answer is this
activity is a value that get stuck on specific values till all conditions are met.
everything else is secret to avoid people focusing on optimizing for ranking up.
Okay Admin , noted.
This reference to the answer from the Admin will also clarify for those who often ask what the function of Karma is.
Thank you for the answer, we will discuss this in the local forum because in the Indonesian subforum there are quite a lot of people asking about the function of karma.
Many of them ask repeatedly but that's the forum, we have to be patient with those who don't know the function of karma and for those who have just registered on the altcoinstalks forum.
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My answer is this
activity is a value that get stuck on specific values till all conditions are met.
everything else is secret to avoid people focusing on optimizing for ranking up.
Wow, this I would say is well thought out, a very good idea indeed, this will make users pay more attention and focus on being their real self, rather than trying so hard to become who they aren't.
And by this, the forum will be able to know who is actually working hard, and they will be rewarded accordingly even when they were just being natural self.
The more time I spend here, the more i see this forum as an improved version of btt, just hope it becomes as big and popular as btt, or even better.
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Probably this is the thread why admin had to create a long thread about Karma and the forum ranking today; see here Everything You Need To Know About Forum Ranks. (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316199.0) The thing that surprised me was the time, which could be considered as login time. Let's say a person posted enough posts and he got some positive karma too. But, he didn't spend enough time on the forum reading and writing. They just came up post and out. In this case, the user's activity will get stuck and he won't be able to rank up. It's similar like BitcoinTalk activity and the merit system as well. Just a little different.
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My answer is this
activity is a value that get stuck on specific values till all conditions are met.
everything else is secret to avoid people focusing on optimizing for ranking up.
This would help reduce bounty cheaters. Now it explains why I don't understand how activity works here (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=96515.0)
The more time I spend here, the more i see this forum as an improved version of btt, just hope it becomes as big and popular as btt, or even better.
Yeah, it is likely the same as the merit system but the only difference between Karma and the merit system is that if someone sent you negative Karma your current karma is reduced by one I tested it just today but if you are the one who sent +karma and you suddenly decided to use -karma two karma will be reduced.
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Probably this is the thread why admin had to create a long thread about Karma and the forum ranking today; see here Everything You Need To Know About Forum Ranks. (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316199.0)
Okay mate noted , i got the good and useful link for this moment . Thank you !
Also, this link will share to my local sections.
So, for every member in subforum local knowing about forum rank rules. :)
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Many of them ask repeatedly but that's the forum, we have to be patient with those who don't know the function of karma and for those who have just registered on the altcoinstalks forum.
Thank you for this topic. I recently came to the forum and I still do not know much about the karma system. Frankly, I thought that karma had a role in promoting members’ rank, but it has now become clear to me through this topic and the moderator’s answer that it is not so.
In any case, the existence of such a mysterious system gives members an incentive to do their best, regardless of whether they receive karma or not. This is what is required in the forum, for it to be a place for dialogue, discussion, and exchange of ideas among members, and not just work to increase the rank.
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Thank you for this topic. I recently came to the forum and I still do not know much about the karma system. Frankly, I thought that karma had a role in promoting members’ rank, but it has now become clear to me through this topic and the moderator’s answer that it is not so.
Not 100% correct. Karma does not effect lower-ranked members. But when players rank up to the bigger ranks, the karma thing will affect their ranking. If someone does not have enough Karma for the next rank, their activity will freeze at some point and they have to earn karma to rank up. But the admin did not disclosed for which rank users need karma and how many karma you need to rank up. Also, forum members have to spend enough time on the forum to rank up to the next rank. The admin did not disclosed it because he do not want us to focus on our account ranking.
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Not 100% correct. Karma does not effect lower-ranked members. But when players rank up to the bigger ranks, the karma thing will affect their ranking. If someone does not have enough Karma for the next rank, their activity will freeze at some point and they have to earn karma to rank up. But the admin did not disclosed for which rank users need karma and how many karma you need to rank up. Also, forum members have to spend enough time on the forum to rank up to the next rank. The admin did not disclosed it because he do not want us to focus on our account ranking.
Thank you for the clarification. I understand you. This is good. The karma and rank system as a whole appears ambiguous in the forum so that there is no misuse of the system and members carry out their activities normally in the forum regardless of rank.
But of course, it is necessary to have a second criterion other than activity to obtain a rank promotion. Most large forums do this, because activity alone cannot be evidence of the quality of publishing and the qualification of members to move to the next rank, so the presence of a system such as Karma is necessary at a later stage to promote the member’s rank. .
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But of course, it is necessary to have a second criterion other than activity to obtain a rank promotion. Most large forums do this, because activity alone cannot be evidence of the quality of publishing and the qualification of members to move to the next rank, so the presence of a system such as Karma is necessary at a later stage to promote the member’s rank. .
Yes. I agree with what you said. But then again, If I am not wrong, Altcoinstalks wasn't like this always. I guess there was a time when members were able to rank up without earning karma. So, whenever someone asks the question can we rank up just by posting? The usual answer was yes. Probably the admin changed it and added some requirements in recent days when he noticed that members are now coming from a different platform. Anyway, I believe these criteria should not affect teleported users. But it does.
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Many of them ask repeatedly but that's the forum, we have to be patient with those who don't know the function of karma and for those who have just registered on the altcoinstalks forum.
Thank you for this topic. I recently came to the forum and I still do not know much about the karma system. Frankly, I thought that karma had a role in promoting members’ rank, but it has now become clear to me through this topic and the moderator’s answer that it is not so.
In any case, the existence of such a mysterious system gives members an incentive to do their best, regardless of whether they receive karma or not. This is what is required in the forum, for it to be a place for dialogue, discussion, and exchange of ideas among members, and not just work to increase the rank.
Now Karma using for Rank up and others purpose. We also know Bitcointalk also has marit system which uses for Ranking. But till 2017 only activists were counted for Ranking like Altcointalk.
And now karma using for many purpose in this forum. Recently i also learned that karma can be exchanged into points. So karma need not only for Rank up karma need for many purpose. And will be more useful in future.
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Till now Karma Doesn't using for ranking. We also know Bitcointalk also has marit system which uses for Ranking. But till 2017 only activists will be count for Ranking like Altcointalk. Now in Altcointalk Forum karma not using but i think in future Karma will need for Ranking like Bitcointalk Forum.
Now only Activists using to count ranking abut in future Karma will need for Ranking i strongly believe it.
Unfortunately, the future is here. karma is already required to rank up. I saw that you applied to be a mod of our local community. You have to be updated about the recent forum development as well. I would suggest you read the latest news of the forum where the admin himself already shared that there are some other requirements as well to rank up except karma. Two of them are karma and the time spent on the forum. But, as he mentioned, Karma requires for higher ranks to rank up. Maybe users need karma requirements when they are already Hero + members. BTW, the admin do not want to reveal the exact requirements.
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Till now Karma Doesn't using for ranking. We also know Bitcointalk also has marit system which uses for Ranking. But till 2017 only activists will be count for Ranking like Altcointalk. Now in Altcointalk Forum karma not using but i think in future Karma will need for Ranking like Bitcointalk Forum.
Now only Activists using to count ranking abut in future Karma will need for Ranking i strongly believe it.
Unfortunately, the future is here. karma is already required to rank up. I saw that you applied to be a mod of our local community. You have to be updated about the recent forum development as well. I would suggest you read the latest news of the forum where the admin himself already shared that there are some other requirements as well to rank up except karma. Two of them are karma and the time spent on the forum. But, as he mentioned, Karma requires for higher ranks to rank up. Maybe users need karma requirements when they are already Hero + members. BTW, the admin do not want to reveal the exact requirements.
Noted. Thankyou. Recently i saw Admin wrote about this.
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My answer is this
activity is a value that get stuck on specific values till all conditions are met.
everything else is secret to avoid people focusing on optimizing for ranking up.
The idea of not making the requirement for a next rank public quite rocks, but what happens when a user actually meets all those criteria? Do you PM them secretly to alert them that they are now qualified for the next rank, or will they just be moved to that rank without their notice?
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My answer is this
activity is a value that get stuck on specific values till all conditions are met.
everything else is secret to avoid people focusing on optimizing for ranking up.
, but what happens when a user actually meets all those criteria? Do you PM them secretly to alert them that they are now qualified for the next rank, or will they just be moved to that rank without their notice?
In my experience at altcoinstalks, I have never encountered anything like this because in the past, you didn't need karma to rise in the rankings.
Even those who write posts just to report bounties from social media such as Facebook and Twitter also immediately increase their ranking without the need for Karma.
But it seems that if the admin has made a statement like that, we no longer need to ask the admin about ranking increases, but if it is necessary to PM the admin, perhaps it should be done so that we can increase the ranking according to the criteria.
It's same like as you Teleported to altcoinstalks , simple PM to teh admin and you are aleady here. :)
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The idea of not making the requirement for a next rank public quite rocks, but what happens when a user actually meets all those criteria? Do you PM them secretly to alert them that they are now qualified for the next rank, or will they just be moved to that rank without their notice?
If your account doesn't meet the criteria for the next rank, your activity will just stop increasing. When it will start increase, it means you can get the next rank as soon as your activity number will achieve the needed amount.
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The idea of not making the requirement for a next rank public quite rocks, but what happens when a user actually meets all those criteria? Do you PM them secretly to alert them that they are now qualified for the next rank, or will they just be moved to that rank without their notice?
Hehe. LOL Man. What a question.
I am not sure if you are kidding or not. But, isn't it obvious that when a member reaches all the criteria, they will just rank up automatically just like Bitcointalk? My rank is Sr. member on Bitcointalk due to the lack of activity. But I have earned 750 merits. Bitcointalk does not have login time requirements. So, What will happen if my activity increases up to 480? I will rank up for sure, right? So, there is no reason admin would PM someone to let them know that they meet all the criteria. I found it too funny after reading such question. LOL.
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If your account doesn't meet the criteria for the next rank, your activity will just stop increasing. When it will start increase, it means you can get the next rank as soon as your activity number will achieve the needed amount.
Will the activity stop due to lack of required Karma or for another reason? As far as I know, there is no such karma requirement for ranking up and admin has kept that information secret but if that's needed then how many karma one should acquire to properly rank up and what about those who make good posts but don't get enough karma for their posting?
I think the Karma should not stop someone from ranking up but surely if someone tries to take advantage of the system then the admin or the moderators should manually stop that user's activity points for a week or a month. However, I believe that if someone posts good content and make valuable posts then the system won't stop them from ranking up.
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The idea of not making the requirement for a next rank public quite rocks, but what happens when a user actually meets all those criteria? Do you PM them secretly to alert them that they are now qualified for the next rank, or will they just be moved to that rank without their notice?
Hehe. LOL Man. What a question.
I am not sure if you are kidding or not. But, isn't it obvious that when a member reaches all the criteria, they will just rank up automatically just like Bitcointalk? My rank is Sr. member on Bitcointalk due to the lack of activity. But I have earned 750 merits. Bitcointalk does not have login time requirements. So, What will happen if my activity increases up to 480? I will rank up for sure, right? So, there is no reason admin would PM someone to let them know that they meet all the criteria. I found it too funny after reading such question. LOL.
A hilarious question, right? LOL. I guess I just dropped the question for curiosity sake since the rule is that the information about some rank is secret to prevent users from being so desirous of rank alone. Before I dropped that question yesterday, I only had one thought in mind, which I did not add to my first comment. But what was the thought? Read:
There is a setting on this forum called buddy list. You can decide to add any member to your buddy list for reasons best known to you. It could be that you know the person and you decided to add them to your buddy list, or perhaps you just like the way the person contributes and you decided to add them to your list.
Now, let's assume you added a member like "Jokers" to your buddy list and you are always keeping track of his account activity, the number of karma he is earning per day, and all other stuff. If you noticed one day that his rank had automatically changed from legend to something else, would you not be able to predict what kind of activity on his account made him get that new rank? If you actually figured out what happened, then you have learned the hidden secrets. Hehe...