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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: Don Pedro Dinero on January 27, 2024, 07:11:36 PM
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This question came to my mind when I saw John Abraham applying for a signature campaign on this forum (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316273.msg1481984#msg1481984). On BTT he has 4 negative feedbacks but here they are not shown. It occurred to me if this is not going to become a safe haven for BTT people with a bad reputation.
Surely the managers of signature campaigns, as they are in both forums, will take feedback into account, but in the long run I don't know.
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This question came to my mind when I saw John Abraham applying for a signature campaign on this forum (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316273.msg1481984#msg1481984). On BTT he has 4 negative feedbacks but here they are not shown. It occurred to me if this is not going to become a safe haven for BTT people with a bad reputation.
Surely the managers of signature campaigns, as they are in both forums, will take feedback into account, but in the long run I don't know.
I will also ask the Admin this question but I often forget because I am doing more of my final semester coursework.
But it is better for the Admin to take this action because he is a member who cannot be trusted in various forums, including forums that have been around for a long time, namely Bitcointalk.
If he has a bad reputation in an old forum, he "should" also have a bad reputation in the altcointalks forum because logically his actions will also be done on altcointalks.
We can also see that there are members on altcoinstalks who have many badges that are more valuable, better and more respected, such as "Express" or "Potential Hero" (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316199.0).
If members from other forums have good advantages for "Express" or "Potential Hero", it should be the same for those who get a bad reputation in other forums when Teleporting to the altcoinstaks forum.
P.S- I am not attacking any members on the altcoinstalks forum, but this is just an equal comparison between good and bad reputations when on the altcoinstalks forum which has had unique and different regulations since it was first created. :)
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As I've read in various places on this forum - this forum isn't as stringent as Bitcointalk - you can ask for your reputation to be restored if you vow not to commit any more offences.
In the instance of John Abraham, because the admin does not transfer feedback from Bitcointalk, it would be unfair if he began doing so for accounts with a bad reputation - it would most certainly drive individuals away without giving them the opportunity to atone for their misdeeds.
If you come across any account with a negative reputation, just take note of it and see if they repeat the same activity they did previously, such as John Abraham, who was accused of being owned by Naim (up to this day, no one knows if this is real, Because Bitcointalk members do not listen to explanations, they pass judgement based on what they believe rather than what actually happened), but if you come across any other accounts of his, you can bring them to the notice of the Admin so that he can determine whether they are the same individual.
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If he has a bad reputation in an old forum, he "should" also have a bad reputation in the altcointalks forum because logically his actions will also be done on altcointalks.
Not mandatory. Reputation in the Trust system of BTT is a matter of evaluation of something by some people chosen with some procedure. It works there, but it is not perfect. There are enough doubtful tags, so automated translation of negative tags could be a mistake. I think each case should be considered by itself.
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If he has a bad reputation in an old forum, he "should" also have a bad reputation in the altcointalks forum because logically his actions will also be done on altcointalks.
Not mandatory. Reputation in the Trust system of BTT is a matter of evaluation of something by some people chosen with some procedure. It works there, but it is not perfect. There are enough doubtful tags, so automated translation of negative tags could be a mistake. I think each case should be considered by itself.
I agree this is a different platform not an extension of Bitcointalk many have been teleported because of the privileges the admin of Altcoinstalk that is given to us but this is a different platform with different rules so if he wants to build his reputation here then let's give him a
chance, if he is going to do what he did on the other forum the admin and the moderators will play their part to prevent it.
But it's ok to take note what his deed on the other forum and let the bounty manager decide if they want him on their campaign.
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But it's ok to take note what his deed on the other forum and let the bounty manager decide if they want him on their campaign.
As far as I know, all active campaign managers on AltcoinsTalks are aware about Trust system on BTT and about teleportation program here, so they can make their conclusions as they wish with all the information they need.
I see also some rule breakers from BTT who teleported from BTT, some are under my special control, so as soon as I will see that they are doing the same for what they've got tags there, I'll immediately do an appropriate moderation.
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This is s a good question, and I noticed few teleported users like that.
Not long ago admin said that reputation can also be teleported but only if is is paid with tokens.
For users with bad reputation there should be some kind of warning, especially if they have a lot of negative feedback.
I would like to hear what admin has to say about this.
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If he has a bad reputation in an old forum, he "should" also have a bad reputation in the altcointalks forum because logically his actions will also be done on altcointalks.
Not mandatory. Reputation in the Trust system of BTT is a matter of evaluation of something by some people chosen with some procedure. It works there, but it is not perfect. There are enough doubtful tags, so automated translation of negative tags could be a mistake. I think each case should be considered by itself.
There are enough doubtful tags . You are a wise man for this statement. No system is perfect, the trust system of BTT is not an exception. The initial intention of the system is misused such that you will see many users with alot of green feedbacks but have not completed any trade. And you will also see alot of negative tags based on personal hatred or disagreement on opinions where one person has the power to tag, the other is vulnerable and lives at the mercy of his adversary. This forum should device a means to check trade and not a system that should be hijacked by a few individuals.
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If he has a bad reputation in an old forum, he "should" also have a bad reputation in the altcointalks forum because logically his actions will also be done on altcointalks.
Not mandatory.
Yeps, this is just my suggestion and shouldn't be taken too seriously because there are still many members who are experts in reputation matters like this, such as the president, vice president and various moderators on the altcoinstalks forum.
I'm sure, you are also very skilled in responding to the "Reputation" of all members on altcoinstalks because you include the Moderator and Decentralized Team.
But it's ok to take note what his deed on the other forum and let the bounty manager decide if they want him on their campaign.
, so as soon as I will see that they are doing the same for what they've got tags there, I'll immediately do an appropriate moderation.
This is what I'm waiting for an answer from you because I'm sure you can also handle things like errors that violate the rules on the alcoinstalks forum.
I'm also sure that you are a member who responds quickly to problems in the forum, as can be seen from your rank which has reached Mhytical. :)
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After seeing the comments I think that perhaps being able to create an account on this forum without the trust being transferred is like a second chance, which is good, because tags have a certain component of subjectivity.
Now, if I were someone on the team, as I understand Jokers is, I would look very closely at those who have 3 or more DT red tags or an active flag against them.
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Let us assume that this forum is a safe haven for members with a negative reputation on bitcointalk. If the gravity of their offence warrants a second opportunity, let it be here. Bitcointalk's trust mechanism has been in place for a long time and is not impartial, but it is also not perfect. If they are not given a second chance there, they can be offered one here; if they demonstrate such behaviour here again, it means they are likely not to change and may be penalised. For a wise person, a second chance should be something they use worthwhile and not misused. He/she must have learnt from their lessons by now and do what is right to uplift their reputation.
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After seeing the comments I think that perhaps being able to create an account on this forum without the trust being transferred is like a second chance, which is good, because tags have a certain component of subjectivity.
If you create an account from scratch again, the member will definitely not want to because you have to reach 700 activities to reach Hero or more than 1200 to reach Legendary.
This also makes them lazy to start from the beginning and most of them immediately teleport according to the rank they have in the previous forum, for example Hero on the Bitcointalk forum.
What really needs to be done is to double-check by all Moderators, Decentralized Team or various members who have certain Badge to double-check the reputation that member has in the previous forum. :)
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I think action should be taken in situations like this. We cannot predict the future, but we should worry with the possibility that a user with a bad reputation on BTT maintains the same behavior and bad practices here. We are human and we can't control everything around us, but I think bounty managers should make a decision about which users they accept in their campaigns. I also think that we cannot "flag" users with a bad reputation on BTT because they may have other types of behavior here, although that is not very likely.
If possible, it would be interesting to track down users with bad reputations on BTT who bring their accounts here and then decide what action to take. The most neutral thing for the moment would be not to anticipate events.
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This question came to my mind when I saw John Abraham applying for a signature campaign on this forum (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316273.msg1481984#msg1481984). On BTT he has 4 negative feedbacks but here they are not shown. It occurred to me if this is not going to become a safe haven for BTT people with a bad reputation.
Surely the managers of signature campaigns, as they are in both forums, will take feedback into account, but in the long run I don't know.
Feedbacks on users' profile on bitcointalk are mostly personal opinions, feedback or experience, i don't think it is fair to panish someone here for something he did somewhere else..
Let people build their reputation here. if they do bad thing like they did in BTT then they can be elevated accordingly.
also trust sytem works differently in both forums. so it would be hard for admins to how much minus karma they should give for an account with negatvie feedback.
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I think that the best option is to manually tag any tele account who has real negative trust on BTT, but this requires that dealing with it case by case, so creating a topic such as Report people with negative trust on bitcointalk would be good to take each case individually.
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I think that the best option is to manually tag any tele account who has real negative trust on BTT, but this requires that dealing with it case by case, so creating a topic such as Report people with negative trust on bitcointalk would be good to take each case individually.
And who will do all that work to check if the tag is really bad or not? It requires redoing nearly the same job as the one who left that tag did.
If you see that someone is doing here the same bad things as on BTT, just inform moderators about that.
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I'm not making it a point to check every member who might apply in a campaign to see their rep on the other forum. There are some members who will stick out from the other place and those I will ignore or pass over if I run a campaign, but for the most part I think as long as they didn't scam, it shouldn't be an issue.
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I'm not making it a point to check every member who might apply in a campaign to see their rep on the other forum. There are some members who will stick out from the other place and those I will ignore or pass over if I run a campaign, but for the most part I think as long as they didn't scam, it shouldn't be an issue.
Anyone can scam, not just teleported members, but higher chances for that is with red tagged accounts that have shady history in bitcointalk forum.
I think admins are doing all teleportations manually anyway, so they can notice right away who is high risk member.
For safety reasons I would not trade here unless with escrow from trusted members.
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For safety reasons I would not trade here unless with escrow from trusted members.
As long as I pay attention to all the members on the alcoinstalks forum, there are no members who have the "Trusted for Escrow" badge.
I have looked at the profiles of the President, Vice President, Senator, Decentralized Team or Moderator and I have not seen them wearing the "Trusted for Escrow" badge.
I mean, in this altcoinstalsk forum, no one has ever traded between members or traded directly with members, or maybe I haven't seen this from all altcoinstals members. So , for bad and good reputations "in the trade" I have never seen it, except for Spammers and Plagiarism, there are many members.
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there are no members who have the "Trusted for Escrow" badge
As far as I know, there's no such badge at the moment.
I mean, in this altcoinstalsk forum, no one has ever traded between members or traded directly with members, or maybe I haven't seen this from all altcoinstals members.
Of course there were different deals between forum users, but how do you expect to find information about that if most deals are made via PM or so?
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Anyone can scam, not just teleported members, but higher chances for that is with red tagged accounts that have shady history in bitcointalk forum.
I think admins are doing all teleportations manually anyway, so they can notice right away who is high risk member.
For safety reasons I would not trade here unless with escrow from trusted members.
I don't think the admin checks the reputation manually if he is not one of the BTT members and you are just a visitor to the BTT forum you can able to see the trust button on any profile unless admin also have an account on the BTT forum.
I think it would be better if someone found scammers from other forums those who notice it should be able to give negative karma to that account here on this forum.
High amount of negative karma makes the account looks suspicious and can not be trusted.
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I think it would be better if someone found scammers from other forums those who notice it should be able to give negative karma to that account here on this forum.
High amount of negative karma makes the account looks suspicious and can not be trusted.
Negative tag on the other forum is not an appropriate reason for giving -karma. If you see that someone with a doubtful reputation in some other place is going to start some business here you can share info about his reputation. But we don't know what was the real reason for a negative tag somewhere, so it's a bad idea to give -karma just for some outer reasons.
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This question came to my mind when I saw John Abraham applying for a signature campaign on this forum (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316273.msg1481984#msg1481984). On BTT he has 4 negative feedbacks but here they are not shown. It occurred to me if this is not going to become a safe haven for BTT people with a bad reputation.
Surely the managers of signature campaigns, as they are in both forums, will take feedback into account, but in the long run I don't know.
You have raised an excellent point, I did not realize this until now I had no need but for campaign managers, it would be a big deal, they might be checking all members manually. I mean till now I don't know what procedures these managers follow to select a participant, but I guess if they are selecting a participant on the basis of this forum (ALTT) activities. Then they should check one more thing at the end, and that is the reputation of that member on BTT if that matters to the managers.
But it will double the time, like after checking the member's reput here on ALTT and selecting him/her and then rejecting him/her on the basis of the last check, which would cause them a huge loss of time. But that's really their problem and they might have come up with some solution as well.
But I don't think the admin of this forum is going to give negative karma on the basis of BTT forum.
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Feedbacks on users' profile on bitcointalk are mostly personal opinions, feedback or experience, i don't think it is fair to panish someone here for something he did somewhere else..
Let people build their reputation here. if they do bad thing like they did in BTT then they can be elevated accordingly.
also trust sytem works differently in both forums. so it would be hard for admins to how much minus karma they should give for an account with negatvie feedback.
I agree with you, everyone deserves a second chance, but I don't think this is something hidden from managers, they have a set of rules to follow and they must have taken this factor into consideration and already have a solution as well. Besides the solution, they should create a list of teleported accounts and should create their own database of members, which will help them a lot.
They can also check for any positive or negative trusts directly from bpip by typing the username, but I don't think they really care about members' trust on this forum. As you already said, they might get picked up here but OP is also right, if this forum becomes a safe haven for bad actors then the rate of crime on BTT will increase, as well on alltt also.
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Feedbacks on users' profile on bitcointalk are mostly personal opinions, feedback or experience, i don't think it is fair to panish someone here for something he did somewhere else..
Let people build their reputation here. if they do bad thing like they did in BTT then they can be elevated accordingly.
also trust sytem works differently in both forums. so it would be hard for admins to how much minus karma they should give for an account with negatvie feedback.
I agree with you, everyone deserves a second chance, but I don't think this is something hidden from managers, they have a set of rules to follow and they must have taken this factor into consideration and already have a solution as well. Besides the solution, they should create a list of teleported accounts and should create their own database of members, which will help them a lot.
They can also check for any positive or negative trusts directly from bpip by typing the username, but I don't think they really care about members' trust on this forum. As you already said, they might get picked up here but OP is also right, if this forum becomes a safe haven for bad actors then the rate of crime on BTT will increase, as well on alltt also.
Everyone does not deserve a second chance honestly man. If you stole let's say $10000 and are a well known scamming POS on bitcointalk, your reputation should follow you. You're actually not too smart if you teleport here and are a big red tagged scammer from elsewhere and likely will just be looking to scam here.
I'd just take precautions if trading here and find an escrow.
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As long as I pay attention to all the members on the alcoinstalks forum, there are no members who have the "Trusted for Escrow" badge.
I have looked at the profiles of the President, Vice President, Senator, Decentralized Team or Moderator and I have not seen them wearing the "Trusted for Escrow" badge.
Trusted members for me are some of the guys I know from bitcointalk forum that teleported here, and maybe admin.
In case this forum needs escrow services they could easily create one, but this is discussion for some different topic.
Reputation is important in some cases, but not always.
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there are no members who have the "Trusted for Escrow" badge
As far as I know, there's no such badge at the moment.
Can we apply to the admin for this "Trusted for Escrow" Badge?
This will make it easier for altcoinstalks members if they want to trade with other members and this can be a good and reliable reference.
This is only my opininon because in altcoinstalks every "Badge" has its own meaning. :)
Because every member with good reputations is always needed for trading , handle project, etc.
I mean, in this altcoinstalsk forum, no one has ever traded between members or traded directly with members, or maybe I haven't seen this from all altcoinstals members.
Of course there were different deals between forum users, but how do you expect to find information about that if most deals are made via PM or so?
Escrow is the meaning Third party , right ?
If every trade via PM and make deal trader member A and member B is the meaning "P2P" , and that's no need for "Escrow" or member C for trading member A and member B, this is only my mind and if i'm wrong , im sorry . ;D
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If he has a bad reputation in an old forum, he "should" also have a bad reputation in the altcointalks forum because logically his actions will also be done on altcointalks.
Not mandatory. Reputation in the Trust system of BTT is a matter of evaluation of something by some people chosen with some procedure. It works there, but it is not perfect. There are enough doubtful tags, so automated translation of negative tags could be a mistake. I think each case should be considered by itself.
I know there is no reputation or flag here, but at least you also have to give a sign of potential danger to some accounts that teleport. If on the btt forum he is quite dangerous, it could be that here he has the potential to carry out other dangerous actions.
I'm sure, no one agrees to be a victim of digital crime here, therefore, if there are no red or negative flags then applied in altcoin talk, at least there is a special badge for members with a bad reputation when teleporting. That's just my suggestion.
I am not comparing features between forums, but only intend to prevent unwanted bad things from happening here.
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Can we apply to the admin for this "Trusted for Escrow" Badge?
You can ask him directly. :)
Of course there were different deals between forum users, but how do you expect to find information about that if most deals are made via PM or so?
Escrow is the meaning Third party , right ?
If every trade via PM and make deal trader member A and member B is the meaning "P2P" , and that's no need for "Escrow" or member C for trading member A and member B, this is only my mind and if i'm wrong , im sorry . ;D
I didn't follow this too closely so I know just few cases when there were deals between forum users, all cases I remember were without an escrow. But it doesn't mean an escrow was never used. There is even the forum escrow service (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=285.0), so probably there were some deals... or not. ;D
I know there is no reputation or flag here, but at least you also have to give a sign of potential danger to some accounts that teleport. If on the btt forum he is quite dangerous, it could be that here he has the potential to carry out other dangerous actions.
I'm sure, no one agrees to be a victim of digital crime here, therefore, if there are no red or negative flags then applied in altcoin talk, at least there is a special badge for members with a bad reputation when teleporting. That's just my suggestion.
I am not comparing features between forums, but only intend to prevent unwanted bad things from happening here.
What you suggest is to trust blindly some third party. If all tags on BTT were 100% reliable, it could be reasonable, but we all know that there is a bunch of tags based on political disagreement, some strange tags like "I don't know this guy, but he left me a negative tag, so I'm doing the same", many tags with insults without any references, etc. It doesn't look reasonable to take all that mess of good and bad tags and blindly take here, but I don't see anyone who is ready to make a work on rechecking the facts behind those tags to take here reliable ones only.
If you have an exact case of some teleported scammer, which can be proved, please share your info.