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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: Crypto Library on February 02, 2024, 07:47:26 PM
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I was unclear about the Karma issue but after exploring I understood that Karma is still not publicly available.
I actually wanted to know what makes Karma abusing and how to identify those who are abusing Karma? Is it possible for only forum admins and staff?
Moreover, many of us are dependent on bpip.org, Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard (https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ddmrddmr/viz/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/PersonalSummary), ninjastic.space for data analysis of bitcointalk and wanted to know what tools are used for data analysis here.
Thanks in Advance-
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We do not have any possibility or option to identify which users abuse karma, although sometimes we can see how the karma counter of some users grows "quickly and suspiciously". Only the administrator has access to the karma log and can review the activity. Two days ago he said that he would make some modifications to the karma system to avoid abuses, but he did not say anything more concrete. I don't think the administrator will change his mind regarding public visibility of the karma log even if it's at the user level, but it's a possibility.
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I was unclear about the Karma issue but after exploring I understood that Karma is still not publicly available.
I actually wanted to know what makes Karma abusing and how to identify those who are abusing Karma? Is it possible for only forum admins and staff?
Moreover, many of us are dependent on bpip.org, Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard (https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ddmrddmr/viz/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/PersonalSummary), ninjastic.space for data analysis of bitcointalk and wanted to know what tools are used for data analysis here.
We can't see who gives whom positive or negative karma, but if you are getting negative karma from the same person over and over again then there is a chance that that person is trying to make you look bad so on contacting with admin the problem will be solved and you might be given the badge of the agency. (I heard about it in some cases).
But the admin of this forum provided us an opportunity to see the history of our karma but for that, we have to burn the token of this forum that is ALTT, and on burning that token we have to provide the hash of the burning and if the last word is 1 then we will be given the chance to get the history of karma we got. This is really amazing, if you want to dig more into it then here you go:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316161.0
PS: by the way are you showing off your skills of GIFs. hehe just kidding.
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We do not have any possibility or option to identify which users abuse karma, although sometimes we can see how the karma counter of some users grows "quickly and suspiciously". Only the administrator has access to the karma log and can review the activity. Two days ago he said that he would make some modifications to the karma system to avoid abuses, but he did not say anything more concrete. I don't think the administrator will change his mind regarding public visibility of the karma log even if it's at the user level, but it's a possibility.
I think there should indeed be some modifications on the karma system. Because people will not abuse karma just for ranking up, but besides ranking up, if they have personal enmity with someone, then they will try to spoil the reputation with negative karma from this side as well. For this, I think karma should be opened publicly, this will expose the musk of the abusers, otherwise, by bringing the motivation of the karma system, some layers should be brought between the ability to give positive and negative karma.
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https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316161.0
Thanks for the info.
PS: by the way are you showing off your skills of GIFs. hehe just kidding.
hehe, maybe you got me :P
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I don't think the administrator will change his mind regarding public visibility of the karma log even if it's at the user level, but it's a possibility.
The subject of karma has also been discussed several times in various subforums but in reality the admin only sees, reads and responds simply.
I can only judge that the admin will not change the karma rules because karma plus itself is given by members who feel helped and appreciated by other members.
The admin also has the possibility to change the rules, but so far the admin has remained silent about the rules because, I follow what the admin expects, so as long as this karma is good for the forum and all members, I will continue to support it without having to know the log. :)
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From what I understand, karma is not supposed to be a priority, especially since signature campaigns pay approximately the same amount for all ranks, and there are no fundamental differences between SRmember and Jedi Master, so having negative karma does not mean much.
If you see karmas in your account decreasing severely and without any reason, then you can pm @admin to verify that. I also think that there are some restrictions, as I tried to send +2 karma to the same account and found that I could send only +1 karma every few hours.
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From what I understand, karma is not supposed to be a priority, especially since signature campaigns pay approximately the same amount for all ranks, and there are no fundamental differences between SRmember and Jedi Master, so having negative karma does not mean much.
For now if we talk about it then it is true that karma is not supposed to be a priority because of the small differences on the pay rate of srmember to more. But since the mixer ban on bitcointalk forums, altcointalk has taken notice to promote mixers and its traffic has improved to such an extent that it has never looked back. In the future more projects will choose altcointalk for their promotion more traffic will increase and so on~~. If we think about the long-term, we should think about karma now.
If you see karmas in your account decreasing severely and without any reason, then you can pm @admin to verify that. I also think that there are some restrictions, as I tried to send +2 karma to the same account and found that I could send only +1 karma every few hours.
I haven't face this kind of issue yet ;D . But it would be good :D
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The presence of positive karma and negative karma is necessary for interaction between members by giving positive karma to good posts and negative karma to spam. The problem is that members are unable to see who gave them negative or positive karma and moderators cannot monitor all cases. This is somewhat difficult.
Of course, the karma system has good features to improve the quality of posts and influence the rank of members, but as is always the case, the system is abused, whether by exchanging positive karma between some members or sometimes using negative karma for revenge.
I do not know how to stop such cases, but as I heard, there is a new update to the Karma system, so we hope that there will be some new features that help reduce these cases.
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as I tried to send +2 karma to the same account and found that I could send only +1 karma every few hours.
As far as I know, there are around 10 hours or more to be able to provide karma, I have tried it since the first time there was a karma feature, maybe since 2021 or later.
I really agree with this feature of limiting the time for sending karma because if it is not limited, perhaps all members could abuse the use of karma and until now the karma system is still kept secret by the admin.
I follow what is the best decision from the admin because the admin who owns this forum, the admin also has a lot of +karma and that means the admin also has a lot of support from all members for what he has managed for the altcoinstalks forum.
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as I tried to send +2 karma to the same account and found that I could send only +1 karma every few hours.
As far as I know, there are around 10 hours or more to be able to provide karma, I have tried it since the first time there was a karma feature, maybe since 2021 or later.
I really agree with this feature of limiting the time for sending karma because if it is not limited, perhaps all members could abuse the use of karma and until now the karma system is still kept secret by the admin.
I follow what is the best decision from the admin because the admin who owns this forum, the admin also has a lot of +karma and that means the admin also has a lot of support from all members for what he has managed for the altcoinstalks forum.
Time limt doesn't mean limited in quantity. Here, one person can send 1000 karma to 1000 users at once every 10 hours, right? So, it's understandable if newbie-ranked users can send karma+ as much as they want. For some people, having a lot of karma might make them look more reputable than others. Yet, we don't know where their karma came from.
BTW, there's a user who gets more karma+ than the admin. Does that mean many people support that person too? It's a bit strange to use karma as a benchmark up to now (where karma can't be publicly tracked).
Remember, some consider karma important, and some don't.
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So, it's understandable if newbie-ranked users can send karma+ as much as they want.
Newbies don't have an option of changing karma of other users. This option is available for Senior+ accounts.
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I do not know how to stop such cases, but as I heard, there is a new update to the Karma system, so we hope that there will be some new features that help reduce these cases.
It's hard to understand something that we cannot analyze on the other forum we can see what posts got karma and who gave it I hope with the coming latest updates the karma feature will be as good as merit version of BTT, karma here is a good parameter on how we perform here and how we interact with the community, it's a reputation builder.
BTW kudos to the admins for a lot of improvement and for welcoming many teleported members by being receptive to suggestions.
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It's hard to understand something that we cannot analyze on the other forum we can see what posts got karma and who gave it I hope with the coming latest updates the karma feature will be as good as merit version of BTT, karma here is a good parameter on how we perform here and how we interact with the community, it's a reputation builder.
BTW kudos to the admins for a lot of improvement and for welcoming many teleported members by being receptive to suggestions.
You may find it difficult to understand because of something you yourself have said. I think the mistake is trying to compare it with the BTT merit system. If you use this forum without thinking about BTT (comparing everything) you will realize that karma is a good tool to quickly know which users contribute the most to the forum. And it really is something that doesn't take long to find, you just have to look at some of the users teleported a few weeks ago and you will see that their karma increases daily thanks to the contributions. Both systems are very different from each other and have the limitations they have, but in reality the end result is the same.
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It's hard to understand something that we cannot analyze on the other forum we can see what posts got karma and who gave it I hope with the coming latest updates the karma feature will be as good as merit version of BTT, karma here is a good parameter on how we perform here and how we interact with the community, it's a reputation builder.
BTW kudos to the admins for a lot of improvement and for welcoming many teleported members by being receptive to suggestions.
You may find it difficult to understand because of something you yourself have said. I think the mistake is trying to compare it with the BTT merit system. If you use this forum without thinking about BTT (comparing everything) you will realize that karma is a good tool to quickly know which users contribute the most to the forum. And it really is something that doesn't take long to find, you just have to look at some of the users teleported a few weeks ago and you will see that their karma increases daily thanks to the contributions. Both systems are very different from each other and have the limitations they have, but in reality the end result is the same.
its best that only the admin knows what which and who but i think he is about to provide this data like that Eye of Sauron thread. i read it all but there's nothing revealed yet.
i'm not understanding what karma can do actually but i did try giving some karma if its that easy and it doesn't hurt the account.
if there is the need for 10hours before you can send another karma, this is going to be the hardest to abuse and what for? it doesn't look like the campaigns needed it.
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I like the karma system, and the admin really knows the reason why he has chosen to keep the visibility secret. If there is too much pressure or need for such to be adjusted, I guess we should just let it be that way.
If you see karmas in your account decreasing severely and without any reason, then you can pm @admin to verify that. I also think that there are some restrictions, as I tried to send +2 karma to the same account and found that I could send only +1 karma every few hours.
I have also noticed this countless times. I go through threads sometimes, and when I try to send karma to comments I find rewarding, I happen to send one and try the other user too, but any time I try to send more than 1 karma, they show an error message that it can only be gone once every 10 hours.
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Time limt doesn't mean limited in quantity. Here, one person can send 1000 karma to 1000 users at once every 10 hours, right? So, it's understandable if newbie-ranked users can send karma+ as much as they want. For some people, having a lot of karma might make them look more reputable than others. Yet, we don't know where their karma came from.
Yeps, you're right, so you can send karma to all members and only within the 10 hour limit to receive the karma.
As the admin said, it is still a secret to send karma and if you want more karma, start actively helping other members with various important information.
Btw, Sending karma (+) and (-) cannot be used by newbees and can only be used by Senior Rank members and above, Full members and below cannot send karma.
BTW, there's a user who gets more karma+ than the admin. Does that mean many people support that person too? It's a bit strange to use karma as a benchmark up to now (where karma can't be publicly tracked).
Not only that, but there are also altcoinstalks members who have little activity but have a lot of karma.
His karma exceeds his activities. Do you know which member it is yet?
Remember, some consider karma important, and some don't.
Once again for you, if you think karma is important then make other members at altcoinstalks feel helped by your presence.
Provide good information and don't attack or annoying other members so you can get karma (+).
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It's hard to understand something that we cannot analyze on the other forum we can see what posts got karma and who gave it I hope with the coming latest updates the karma feature will be as good as merit version of BTT, karma here is a good parameter on how we perform here and how we interact with the community, it's a reputation builder.
Yes, it is true, but I think that the forum moderators want to keep the karma system ambiguous to avoid abuse, so I made a suggestion to the moderator in a previous topic that if we are unable to know who gave us karma, at least know which topics received positive or negative karma because this It helps members know which posts are high-quality or which are bad.
Therefore, I expect that the new update will contain a view of the number of positive or negative karma for the post.
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Yeps, you're right, so you can send karma to all members and only within the 10 hour limit to receive the karma.
As the admin said, it is still a secret to send karma and if you want more karma, start actively helping other members with various important information.
Btw, Sending karma (+) and (-) cannot be used by newbees and can only be used by Senior Rank members and above, Full members and below cannot send karma.
Now that seems a bit fair, because, sorry, I came here as a teleportation user. So, I've never sent karma while being below Sr Member rank.
Not only that, but there are also altcoinstalks members who have little activity but have a lot of karma.
His karma exceeds his activities. Do you know which member it is yet?
Everything looks clear in this post (specific sub-forum for ranks Hero and Legendary upwards).
Top 250 users sorted by karma (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314511.0)
It's actually not a problem at all, maybe because it's appreciation for their activeness in cleaning up cheating users on this forum. They still deserve it.
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so I made a suggestion to the moderator in a previous topic that if we are unable to know who gave us karma, at least know which topics received positive or negative karma because this It helps members know which posts are high-quality or which are bad.
It's not possible, because you can give karma even its not in the topic threads, say in your personal message profile. So if admin will have this feature, then there's something "from PM" instead of "from thread title".
Everything looks clear in this post (specific sub-forum for ranks Hero and Legendary upwards).
Top 250 users sorted by karma (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314511.0)
Just saw this thread, thanks for this. It gives me an idea regarding the telegram bot.
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so I made a suggestion to the moderator in a previous topic that if we are unable to know who gave us karma, at least know which topics received positive or negative karma because this It helps members know which posts are high-quality or which are bad.
It's not possible, because you can give karma even its not in the topic threads, say in your personal message profile. So if admin will have this feature, then there's something "from PM" instead of "from thread title".
Which one is that it is not possible to know the particular topic that earned someone karma. Even if it is not so now, it doesn't mean it cannot be implemented. I believe that many changes will be implemented in the Altcoinstalks forum. I like the proactiveness of the admin. He has a listening and he could change must with 2 years time.
I would like to know the topic that gave me a +karma and as well as the one that gave -karma.
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so I made a suggestion to the moderator in a previous topic that if we are unable to know who gave us karma, at least know which topics received positive or negative karma because this It helps members know which posts are high-quality or which are bad.
It's not possible, because you can give karma even its not in the topic threads, say in your personal message profile. So if admin will have this feature, then there's something "from PM" instead of "from thread title".
Yes, it is true that karma can be given from personal messages, but this is not important. We do not want to know everyone who gave us karma. We only want to know how many positive or negative karmas the topic or post received. I think this is possible.
This is similar to the merit in Bitcoin Talk, where the merit appears at the top of each topic, with the difference that here we do not want to display the names, only the karma number.
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I have noticed that last time that I've got a less 1 karma and didn't bother at all. But I guess this is like the trust rating that it can't be regulated otherwise someone's appreciates your post and gives you +1 karma. As the admin said on the other thread this isn't a priority so let it be and we'll never know the reason why someone dislikes us, our post or simply tripping and using this feature to abuse and give everyone a drama to think of.
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Yeps, you're right, so you can send karma to all members and only within the 10 hour limit to receive the karma.
As the admin said, it is still a secret to send karma and if you want more karma, start actively helping other members with various important information.
Btw, Sending karma (+) and (-) cannot be used by newbees and can only be used by Senior Rank members and above, Full members and below cannot send karma.
Now that seems a bit fair, because, sorry, I came here as a teleportation user. So, I've never sent karma while being below Sr Member rank.
No problem bro, all members on the altcoinstalks forum are the same as others who are genuine from altcoinstalks.
You can also give +karma to other members when they provide good information or help members who are having difficulties on the altcoinstalks forum.
BTW, I have never sent -karma to members on altcoinstalks since this rule was first enforced, because when I first saw a member who had a mistake I immediately:
-reprimand him first.
-Provide the best education.
-conduce after the error occurs.
In my opinion, this stage of solving the problem is better than me sending -karma. :)
Not only that, but there are also altcoinstalks members who have little activity but have a lot of karma.
His karma exceeds his activities. Do you know which member it is yet?
Everything looks clear in this post (specific sub-forum for ranks Hero and Legendary upwards).
Top 250 users sorted by karma (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314511.0)
It's actually not a problem at all, maybe because it's appreciation for their activeness in cleaning up cheating users on this forum. They still deserve it.
Yeps, that's right, you've found it and that's what I meant earlier in the reply to my post.
I'm just helping you explain what has been happening so far on the altcoinstalks forum after the rules regarding karma. :)
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From what I understand, karma is not supposed to be a priority, especially since signature campaigns pay approximately the same amount for all ranks, and there are no fundamental differences between SRmember and Jedi Master, so having negative karma does not mean much.
If you see karmas in your account decreasing severely and without any reason, then you can pm @admin to verify that. I also think that there are some restrictions, as I tried to send +2 karma to the same account and found that I could send only +1 karma every few hours.
This -Karma and +Karma palaver is the latest gist in the forum because many people are not happy of the -Karma issue. Though admin have cleared the air that the hidden needs f karma is for a personal decision that to avoid unnecessary drama in the forum so let him do what will benefit the forum. Even though karma is not a priority for now but the reduction of karma because of misunderstanding or a mistake is not really good. Because it kills the morality of the poster.
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Even though karma is not a priority for now but the reduction of karma because of misunderstanding or a mistake is not really good. Because it kills the morality of the poster.
It's not good, but it's not the end of the world. I've got -karma several times. Of course it disappoints a bit because I don't know why it was done, the same way as others. But as long as I get much more +karma several -karma don't hurt me so much.
Most of forum users get a lot more +karma than -karma and paying too much attention to -karma is not the best idea. Try to stay calm. If your overall balance is significantly more positive than negative, it's good, right? ;)